Why I Stopped Pull Ups 🛑🥲
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Instead of giving a generic back routine, I changed up the question. It's still related to building lats. I hope you don't mind. FYI: I love pull-ups on non-deadlift-back days.
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Most people don't have pull-ups in their workout routines...
The reason is very simple and scientific...they just can't do a pull up.
I can't either but I jus have my feet on a bench while I pull up for practice especially since I got hella fat on me rn which jus adds to the bodyweight
Haha great comment
Facts
For me who does home calisthenics, pull ups are the most important movement of my pull day. I started 4 months ago with 0 pull-ups. Did negatives until I was able to do 2 clean reps. And now I do sets of 6 reps, with a slight form breakdown in the final reps of final set.
Me!
Thats part of the reason for why I do pull-ups on back day as a primary compound and deadlifts on leg day as a primary compound
As it should be
Are you doing squats to? For me that’s too much I would be dead .
@@thijs5931 I like to squat heavy twice a week but only have 2 leg days per week. I also have 2 pull days, but do pull ups as main compound on 1 and deadlift as main compound on the other. No way I can do heavy deadlifts and then do heavy squats. Those squats will be half assed. I also like Deadlifts too much to put them as a second exercise.
@@Brofesional yeah same
@@SirTipsi 1 heavy squat, 1 heavy dead day.
After my heavy deadlifts i get only 10reps in my first set in pullups but i think once you train your body to do pullups after Deadlifts its absolutely worth it
That means you didn't do heavy deadlifts lol
@@f0x106 lol bro trust me i go allout every deadlift session 1top set rpe10,4 backof sets rpe9 and then 3 sets stiff leg deads total 8 Deadlift sets its just that 10reps on pullups is my body's capacity even after that much load
The fatigue on the local muscle group might be to much to recover from if you do both the movements on the same day. Perhaps doing them separately as the prime back builder on an upper body day seems more logical to me.
@@shashankshekhar3562 yes everyone's body works differently so do what suits you
@Supreme King I dont even do deadlifts lol
Why not doing pull ups first and the deadlifts? I feel like they help me warm up
Yeah it helps me too
I'd just designate them to a different pull day like pull 2 separate from deads
Exactly, if you're able to lift heavy on a deadlift then the person should be able to do at least minimum 4-5 pull-ups for a couple of sets.
I heard doing pullups before spine-compressing exercise is not best because in pullups you stretch your spine up-down and in squat/deadlift your spine being compressed up-down and pullups or actually too long hanging might have effect on those exercises, making your spine muscles work more then they need to keep it in one place. It's just theory, i have no bigger proof but i like to keep the rule to not hang too much or with too much weight before squats/dedalifts like movements.
@@arzi2054 ah yeah. Though I heard from videos by athleanx he likes to decompress *after* heavy exercises like deadlifts and squats
I love pull ups after deadlifts not for a lat focused movement but mainly to help decompress my spine just to releave some back tention
“I stopped pull ups but actually I didn’t, I’m just too tired to do them after deads”
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I do pull-ups and deadlifts on different days so it's a non-issue. Weighted pullups are simply irreplaceable.
That’s so weird. I have the opposite effect with pull ups after deadlifts
That means you didn’t deadlift heavy (relative to you) or you didn’t use them as intensely as he did? Maybe
@@timg8257 this. Deadlifts are like a warm up for pull-ups in terms of the lats for me. I’ll do rdls with like 4 plates for high sets and reps and then go do some pull-ups
@@BaldOmniMan You do rdl's with 4 plates for high reps? What?
@@lukaposeidon8490 lololol man is big capping
TasteTheCanvas No he isn’t its on his channel
I walked into the gym bumped out 10 pull ups in a 40lb vest and this woman next to me was shook like “I would’ve died if I did that” 😂😂 pull ups are my baby fr
That’s pretty animalistic! 🦒
Weighted pull ups are the best
I am following an upper/lower split so I am doing pullups in first upper day and pulldowns in second upper day. Its been working well for me. I do similar thing on leg days. First leg day is deadlift and then front squats and second leg day squats and then RDL. I have been enjoying the split so far
Yeh great call, i followed a similar style and it worked pretty well for strenght and mass. Albeit i was undereating at the time so my mass didnt go up as much as i hoped to lol.
That’s why I don’t do split training, though I can only hit the gym twice a week so ya gotta do what ya gotta do
u can hit the gym more than 2x a week
@@dillonmcculley8224 I wish! But no I can’t either. I’m disabled and can’t drive. I do calisthenics and boxing at home
@@nolan555 uh huh
@@dillonmcculley8224what you don’t believe him
Implementing pull-ups and going from 4 max to 15 made my mind muscle connection soooo much stronger for my back. Imma get back at them soon, after I get to my max goals.
I’m so glad someone else felt this way. I do RDLs on leg day and my lats are so tired . The next day I do back, my lats wasn’t having it mate
I actually stopped doing deadlifts and switched to weighted pull ups. Deadlifts thicken the midsection too much. I feel and look so much more athletic. Plus, it looks badass doing weighted pull ups. Anyone can work up to a 400-500 pound deadlift, but let me see you do pulls ups with 90 pounds around your waist
I deadlift sumo style on leg days so I can do weighted chins in Pull Day.
Good idea!
After doing My 1 RM in deadlift when I open my eyes in hospital I start doing pull ups
I do pull-ups as my warm up for each pull day. 5 sets to failure. Then I start my back workout. The way I see it is from a practical standpoint the pull-up is tied as the most real-world strength developing workouts. The one that ties it is single arm rows from the ground using my leg(s) for supper instead of a bench.
To failure even? Why fatigue your muscles to that extreme state, before one of the most strenuous lifts there is?
I did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons. Finally someone that agrees 🙏🏿 my bros at the gym make fun at me cause I used to be Mr. Calisthenics and now I dont even do pull ups
I can do 6-10 solid pull ups, but I prefer lat pull downs instead. And you can build up the same amount of muscle too with pull downs
I recently discovered this after doubling my pullup PR randomly on push day. Turns out 10x10 bent over rows does a pretty good job of exausting your latts before pullups.. who'd have thunk it 🤔
Insane! I was thinking the same today. Except with dumbbell rows. It had me doing 120 lbs on pull downs 😂.
I always make pull-ups my very last exercise on back day. Feels great
Keep your pull-ups in routine fellas 🤙🏼
After deadlifting heavy I wouldn't be able to do a single pull up.
Makes sense, given the fact you’re constantly having your muscles you use for pulling in an extended position the whole time
I'm the opposite. After deadlifting my last are fully warmed up so I can bang out 5-8 for 3 sets even though I just deadlifted 400+ pounds.
well doing sumos on back day is pretty stupid
I was about to drop a comment to correct him saying pull-ups are the same if not better than pulldowns but his reasoning is very valid and I respect it to the limits. Cut the man some slack he's tired from all the good work
I use pull ups as my warming up, get ur core & lats activated so u can really push those deadlifts! :)
That totally makes sense if you are not getting the recovery you need to properly hit your goals by intentions. Otherwise most people should be doing it, especially if you have no access to a gym. I started off at home doing pull ups, push ups, some old school dumbbells with adjustable weights from my grandpa, and no just biking and running to do cardio. Lost 110lbs over 1.5 years.
I like how you don't just say it's bad, you explain why it doesn't work for you and why.
This video is a good example of why I think you’re on of the better fitness advice you tubers out there rn. Rather than give an one size fits all explanation for things you cover why you do what you do and it begins a conversation rather than just being preachy. It’s a better way to teach imo. Good job brudda
Honestly in this scenario I’d swallow my pride and do as many regular pull ups with perfect form I could, then I’d swallow my pride and switch to assisted pull ups.
Combination of pull up as a functional training and lat pull down will give awasome results... Atleast it's ok not to do push up but i can't stop doing dips and pull ups 😅
That’s why u warm up first and when u do pull-ups more often it gets easier as u go
Hate pull downs. Probably the excersise I hate the most. But it’s the only lift that gives me that tightness in my last.
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Just put the deadlift in your leg day and the chin-ups in your back day.
On leg day you can do one day where you squat hard and then do some version of the deadlift and on the second leg day you do mostly heavy deadlift and any version of the squat but light weight
I've always liked pullups 2x per week on the book end days when I squat. Then deadlift 1x per week in the middle with some sort of row.
Overall though I've always seen the DL as more of a lower body/posterior chain exercise vs a back exercise.
Phew good thing i do weighted pullups instead of DLs on back day
Bruh that's because you're doing deadlift first before pull ups tiring you out... But it's perfectly fine to do em on separate days
Yeah, absolutely!
I have literally never felt deadlifts in my back, only quads and hamstrings lol
Makes sense considering those are the driving muscles.
Especially if u r doing sumo or weightlifting style
Pull ups after deadlifts are still a good idea as they traction the spine
So do lat pulldowns
It just needs to be some form of vertical pull
but in order to do perfect form pull-ups, you need a fresh core and strong grip to do so which those already fatigued too much after heavy DLs
I do not actually do deadlifts on back day,but on leg day i do it to basically increase my lat strength and not get tired.
My best of pull ups was 100 pull ups in 5 sets. 30-25-25-15-5. That was when I was 14. Today when I am 26, it's hard to do 7 pull ups in one set. Max I can do is 22 pull ups in 4 sets.
Damn, your old numbers are pretty crazy.
You should definitely be able to get back to those numbers if you train consistently
@@OnePunchSiana I don't know man. Arms feel feeble, spark in body is gone. Back in those days felt ever energetic, willing to take on tough obstacles, jumping over chairs, tables, climbing walls, ropes, sprinting but now I just don't feel it from inside. Entire lifestyle change is required to get that kid like heart back.
@@nikhiltiwari6923 I see bro. Motivation is definitely important. My only advice (and it's easier said than done) would be to force yourself to train even if you don't feel like it. Do it enough and it'll become a habit. You'll look and feel better, and these changes will definitely help in regaining that spark you had. Good luck man 💪
Bodybuilders focus on building muscles : lat pulldown (focus on lat muscle only)
calisthenics focus on core - body stabilization : pull ups.
Powerlifter focus on lat strength : barbell row.
Both bodybuilders and powerlifters needs to do deadlift for strong lower back, while calisthenics mostly have weak lower back.
Pull ups yank pretty hard on the shoulder rotator cuff particularly if you do long ROM reps or do each rep from a dead hang. Everyone is built a little different but just to beware. Machine pull downs is a much safer alternative.
dont worry we love you whether you do them or not ❤
I will never trade out pull ups. Its a main compound to me. Luckily I don’t do PPL to have to deal with that crap.
Same, after deadlift I just don't have the grip strength and it's harder
Was anyone else watching the baseball game on the tv behind him???😂😂
Pull-ups are far superior than pull-downs pull-ups gives you overall strength
Goggins… GOGGINS…. GOGGINS!!!!!
HELP!! HELP!!!!!!!!
i rather stop doing deadlifts rather than pull-ups, the fatigue from doing deadlifts is not worth it compared to the gains
I do both. Weighted pull ups then deadlifts, tbh months ago i used to superset these, its just different for eversingle person i guess
Might be unpopular but I do pull-ups on chest day as an accessory movement
Have you tried starting your back day with pull ups instead coz pull ups need a lot of energy and performing them at the beginning surely has its benifits.
Great short video thank you.
He needs to max his deadlift cause he's a powerlifter
@@daym8 he legit deadlift like 350, no disrespect hut he clearly knows what he's doing
He's incredible I will have to explore his channel for more info.
Thanks for the reply,really appreciate it.
Full body daily don't have this issue, been a great change from bro split for me
um I used to do pullups and dips for warm ups everyday regardless of what muscle group I was working that day. I actually felt stronger on my lifts and surely secured more gains from those warmups
Bro you got cake
Same issue for me , Just did the opposite tho , I stopped deadlifting in favor of pullups
And I can't deadlift on leg day because squats lol
Ahah, honestly, if I wasn’t powerlifting I’d prob stop deadlifting or alternate squats with it on leg day.
Do pull-up in the other part of the day or start your pull day by doing weighted pull-up and leave deadlift with squat in the leg day
I superset pullups in with deadlifts. Sure, I do like 3 fewer pullups, but it gives my lower back a nice break, decompresses my spine, all while keeping up my heart rate
One of my best body part is biceps despite doing only 2 exercices for them per week, and i feel them way too much doing pull ups, so i dont do them since almost a year now. That being said pull ups are a really good exercice. I will certainly go back to pull ups in 2 or 3 month
No that would be your triceps
@@zoar5968 ?
@@joutynathan4168 pull-ups work your triceps more than biceps with correct form
@@zoar5968 i know that if you have bad form the biceps and forearms take over while pulling, but I can assure you I did them thousands of time with perfect form and tempo reps, and I never felt anything in my triceps. We are all different, for some ppl doing incline bench do nothing for pecs because the delt take over even with perfect form, and in my case it’s the biceps when doing pull ups. (But when doing a back / biceps day, in that case pull ups are really good)
Oh shi send this to my coach cuz in his program we start with deadlift then pull ups
What’s wrong with stabilizers?
Snap City is coming 🌆
Big mistake pullups are better for abs and arms. Gets straps or due neutral grip.
Understandable.
Personally it’s almost always been much more of a bicep and forearm exercise unless I’m doing chin-ups, but I suppose that also depends on what bar I’m using.
I would most certainly rather be doing something more stable and isometric like a pull down or even body weight only exercises for specifically activation
Agreed my arms got huge but I was tryna get a big back. Need to have more mind muscle connection I guess
@@aniqrifaat5322
Ye maybe.
I suppose it also differs if you’re doing them totally from the standing position or if you are tucking your legs the whole time. Also probably where the grip is as well
Jonathan A.C. Yeah. I would saw the wider the grip, the more you target the back. As for the form, straight legs toes pointed core activated, standard
@@aniqrifaat5322
Ye same.
It is, but for me I only have my bar on a door frame, so I have to completely tuck my lower legs in order to do anything
Your form is off.
I used to do 10min cardio 3 sets of pull ups and 3 sets of dips as a warm up before every workout. Now i don't. I wish i did, but i dont.
High to low rows work wonders
Deadlifts is not a back exercise if you want a wide back pull up is the way to go
I do a upper lower split, but I just moved pull ups and rows in front of my bench which is my main upper lift on each day.
pull ups make you aesthetic asf
I have a separate day for weighted chin ups and bicep work. Pull ups are king
I do weighted pull ups first and chin ups (40lbs) before i do deadlifts (220-240lbs only with 8-12 reps) i am only 5’3” 73-74kg a little bit overweight for my height.
I'm a girl at the gym and I love deadlifting I go heavy ( well to me) but my wrists and hands give up before anything and it takes me about a minute break after one rep, what can I do to improve in my deadlift or should I switch to cable deadlift as I'll be able to increase my weight but will it be as effective
what grip do you use
Either use straps or wrap your thumb with your fingers
Muscles will grow and recover more quickly then tendons, ligaments and joints. I would say lower the weight for a bit with more reps and then return. After that straps are a good tool to lift more weight, just be careful with progressing tool assisted. Protecting joint etc should be part of the focus.
1) train your forearms ( farmer walk , wrist curls )
2) Try mixed grip , it will feel weird for a session or two but eventually you will get used to it
3) If nothing of the above fixes the problem buy a pair of straps ( try not to use them every set , because your forearms will be weak compared to your other muscles )
Train your grip. Straps are good but only for the final sets otherwhise it'l cause more harm than good if you get used to them.
I dont think you need to go heavy on the deadies tho outta focus on form and hamstring development.
Some girls at my gym do heavier deadlifts ( for them as you mentioned yourself too) but i'd say anything below 5reps isnt that neccesary.
DON'T rush into mixed grip on heavy deadlifts tho if you like your bicep attached haha ease into it.
You know what always fucks me up? I'm so sore from leg days squats and other accessories that when back day(deadlifts) come up im still recovering, does anyone else have this problem? Even if I swap them out I'll be to sore on lef day.
I do pulls ups first and deadlifts at the last of my workout
my god, youre caked up
You really remind me of the Batman from Batman beyond
I don't do pull-ups on back day either. I do them every other day of the week.
Okay I don’t feel as bad now lmao
Had us in the first half ngl
I cant feel any back exercise on my lats im so confused, i feel them all in my brachialis and biceps mainly or on my traps, ive been lifting for quite a while now and ive always had this problem
Is your back rounded forward during those exercises? Try to focus on keeping thoracic extension
@@coughhy appreciate the advice man but nah i dont really cave my chest in during reps
I had the same issue. It's all about mind muscle connection. Focus on pulling with your elbows, that really helped me.
focus on moving your elbows not your arms
@@mikeyu5769 thanks man
Yeah I do zero pull-ups I’m barely working on my back so using all the machines but haven’t done pull ups.
I feel like pull-ups are still amazing, if you look at a dude who can do 2 plates for weighted pull-ups, u know he’s got a demon back 😈
I do pull ups between my warms up sets for deadlifts and then stop when the deadlift gets heavier
deadlift
rows
weighted pull ups
dips
1 arm push ups
Dorian Yates never depended on pull ups. Body weight only(without using dip belts/plates, weighted vests, chains or dumbbells) build size only if you are obese like 300lbs but when you are on a cutting diet you are going to lose bodyfat and weigh less meaning you are not training with the same intensity as before and this can lead to muscle loss. Pull ups alone without added weights are useless.
I just do pullups before doing deadlifts.
0:49 Man's carrying around an illegal amount of 🎂
Prefer doing my bodyweight exercises first in a workout. Creates the connection, through slow negatives and squeezing, for the barbell work later
Then split up the days wtf lol.
Deadlifts should be on leg day anyways, and pull-ups on back days - assuming you don’t have any lower back exercises already in your plan, since deadlifts will do just fine LOL.
After deadlifting 525 for 3 sets of 8 I was doing weighted pullups with a 35 pound plate for sets of 6-8. Don't exclude pullups anyone. Your body will make the adaption to handle it after deadlifting. This guy is getting to the point in RUclips where he had to make bold unsupported claims that only he can back up from only personal experience mind you and none of us even know if that's true, he is saying these bold claims for views
OR hear me out, you could do pull-ups first as your goal doing pull downs is probably lat spread, which deadlifts aren’t doing much for. If hypertrophy is your goal, it’s fine if you’re weaker on your deadlift, as those last few struggling reps are the goal, they aren’t where you stop lifting. The amount you lift isn’t important, the effect on your body is what is important. Also, the activation on pull-ups are completely different from lat pull downs and you are just ignoring a whole lot of you don’t do this compound movement. It’s like skipping squats on leg day.
HEY BROTHER,
If you read this I have found out there calisthenics competions in which you
Dip with weights
Pull ups
1 proper muscle up
And back squat,
Now here come the interesting part if you go there you win them easily give that you can do 1 proper musle up because your squat alone will kill the competition. So....🤞
make sure to keep that core game up tho
Most of the time I start my back/leg day with back first to get the activation on my lats and finish with legs
No needs to stop!!!
I like doing assisted pull-ups so I can train for hypotrophy
I find super-setting pull ups and lightweight stiff leg DLs are a great warm up. Maybe I’ll give this a shot, though I do love the mentality of moving my whole body, not just the stack of weight! Functional training keeps my mind engaged personally. I guess it depends why you’re training.
I agree with you and have done the same with my routine
Bro has cake
Precisely why deadlifts belong in Leg Day
I’ve been doing pull-ups between sets of heavy deadlifts but then again I can only do 5 pull-ups per set and 315 on deadlift for 3 to 5 reps I notice the deadlifts make my pull-up feel more explosive