The Breakdown | August 7th, 2022
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Watching the match at Mbombela Stadium, which is on the outskirts of Nelspruit, I could deduce the following : 1. The sold-out crowd of 42,000 was amazing. Rarely had there been such an excited crowd during any test, played on South African soil. The vibe was absolutely electric. 2. The All Blacks had the jitters. Hence several passes going astray. And players colliding into each other. 3. The red card at the end of the test was totally justified. Thank goodness Barrett didn't suffer a potential neck injury. That fall was scary. 4. Malcolm Marx was on an entirely different level. WHAT AN INCREDIBLE PERFORMANCE FROM HIM ! 5. The test was played in excellent spirit.
"The All Blacks had the jitters" doesn't give credit to the aggressive hard nosed Bok defense. Jitters is when you drop passes under no pressure.
Malcolm Marx on 🔥 in his 50th test
Great game Foster sux
Go the Boks !
I think Schalk has surprised people with his level of insights, commentary and eloquence. I enjoy his commentary. Real insights.
He hit the nail on the head with the ABs conundrum in playing around the gain line. That's been the case for a very long time and not just in the test scene but in the franchise/ provincial level as well. Sacking one guy doesn't fix that
Mils certainly doesn't.
So true! Been saying it 4 a while, Schalk has an amazing rugby brain, would like 2 see him in a coaching position someday...
Lol he's not an ABs pundit what did you expect, more brainwashed narratives?😂
@@Ozzy-jv2sr and a handy right fingered gouge 😵
I would say this: the All Blacks, over the last 5 years or so, haven’t been the best team in the world. They’ve been a team with some of the best individual players in the world. Now that isn’t enough anymore
100% fact. One reason is that the All Blacks DNA was and still is to score tries with razzle dazzle expansive attack. Now the game has evolved. Defence is key. Defensive line speed and tactics have improved. No front foot ball. So no more tries. The game has evolved. The All Blacks have not. It also doesn't help that they have a clueless head coach.
@@kaekillay completely agree. If I was an All Blacks fan I would be so frustrated with the number of times they try to run it out of their own 22. The whole point of doing that is surely the element of surprise, like “wow, we weren’t expecting that, how are we going to defend now?” But if all you ever do is that, defending teams are prepared for that.
I’ll say this as well; how many times have the All Blacks relied on moments of magic from Barrett and Ioane to win them matches? And how many times have they lost because of this obsession with scoring tries at all costs?
@@kaekillay ....poorly coached, poor game plan and badly prepared, this all comes down to a very poor decisions most of the NZ rugby fans knew was the wrong one over three years ago andw e are still having to suffer through probably the very worst time in All Blacks history. More than that, it will only get worse. so we can talk about attack and defennse and selections and all the rest of it, none of it makes any difference whatsoever as long as they have a highly incompetent coach calling the shots. It all comes down to the coach and the clowns that selected him and are so far keeping him in the role. The All Blacks will go back to their "razzle dazzle expansive attack" but that can only happen when they are given the confidence to do so. The thing is, even though these All Blacks look terrible, SA could only put 26 points on them. When SA was down the All Blacks put 30, 40 and even 57 points on them.
No Offensive, The AB legacy is great but I woudnt say you guys have the best players this go anymore. This NZ team doent look like the Richie, Nonu, Dan era.... you have have some greatness... Ardie, Barret, Jordan etc but when its comes not the Midfield and tight 5 NZ is lacking... I woukd say the Springboks team is more the team which is full of Superstars arm, where they could fill about 6 spots in a World 15 team. NZ will bounce back, but you need Razor.... and Dan Coles is past his time forsure.
Good summary.
Foster saying the Lions tour of South Africa put him to sleep has really come back to bite him. NZ arrogance is finally coming back to haunt them and nothing is better.
Foster is a clown
Now he is having sleepless nights!! 😂
100% true
His lack of charisma puts me to sleep lmao
Sure did put many people to sleep eh
Winning is one thing but with that game plan , kids wont be interested in playing the game
Stoppage after stoppage , kick after kick , poor spectacle to be honest
Was really hoping JK would be on this episode ... as he isn't scared to say what he thinks, he's the most direct in his comments
Prob why he wasn’t there..!
"We don't need South Africa."
Kirwan: "We don't need them...they can stay up North" 🤣🤣🤣
@@IgnusVermaak yep he often gets it wrong .... but I'd rather that, than others being too measured with their words.
Stoa short at saying that foster shouldn’t be there tho lol says everything alleles around it tho
its worth remembering that a lot of the Boks who lost 57-0 to NZ and also lost to japan are the same individuals who played like champions in the 2019 world cup. New Zealand clearly have the players to change things around, its just so obvious that they need new coaching
Spot on. Test rugby is a game played by head coaches and rugby directors.
You’d have to be an expert to think that Ireland has more natural talent or ready-made player pool than ZA//NZ/Eng/Wales or even the Pan-Pacific Trans-Marsupials, yet here we are.
The All Blacks used to be simply better, skillwise, than most teams. And then they would improvise, and continue to develop, and grow and inculcate new skills, constantly. Then they developed an edge; they were as hard nosed and physical, but retained all the skill.
They've got the talent, they just need to fix their mentality. Their "problems" are not a lack of talent or mongrel, their problems are mental. Their belief in themselves.
Watched the game again, honestly those SA boys just dominated.
They are simply bigger, stronger, faster and more determined.
I mean we looked disorganised as but those bruts were clinical.
Your players lack believe, bring back McCaw or the captain after him.
@@chermanmanewil1673 McCaw and Tana been out for a long time, Especially Tana, Tana is coaching now and McCaw is flying helicopters full time now.
I also think you have the wrong captain ... the other loose forward who was captain before ( sorry dont know his name ) he won a few turnovers during this game and threw that forward pass after Barrets brake. Canes got bad luck written all around him ...shame I can't explain , maybe I'm wrong ...probably it is a whole leadership problem ...anyway have fun figuring it out ...
South African teams leaving Super Rugby could it be a contributing factor?
100% agree with you.S.A players are
Tall ! Big ! Huge ! & with the muscles they have !!!! just wonder about their diet ? AB team needs bigger, taller &
stronger boys ! Good Luck for Saturday ! Bon courage boys !
The problems with the ABs started from the loss at the last world cup against England. The same problems on that day haven't been addressed or obviously they don't have the right coaching staff.
Thank you.
Do you recall the week before? We beat Ireland easily, but that win was built on top of tons of Irish errors and i remember so clearly saying that if we came up against a team that didn't make errors we'd be in trouble. Well that happened against England and every loss since.
and basic ball handing skills, its just not the coaching staff, this is suppose to be team of professionals, a team effort, the team and coaching staff, have the every trade men blames there tools, let blame the coach
They started before the world cup it started in 2017 during the lions tour
@@jimmyjames1807 ,yes the amount of unforced errors are unforgivable everytime they get some momentum they knock the ball on or something
Started long before that. That loss at 2019 WC was just the tipping point.
The most anticipated episode in history
Lol so true
As a Saffa, I waiting for this to see the Kiwi's reaction to the weekend. 😅
@@stefandebeer9375 same here. Can't wait to watch the full episode on DSTV. Lol
The most anticipated episode will be next Monday.
@@PB22559 you trying to say something here? That the Boks will win this coming saturday? Now that would interesting! Just hope they bring in John Kirwan next week, I was dissapointed today that he wasn't there.👀
Go Bokke!🇿🇦🔥
The boks played no games from Nov 21 to June 2022. I think they have come up to speed nicely.
As a SA supporter, I think Ma’a Nonu is high on braai fumes. No way AB’s can turn this around in a week. Boks thrive on confidence and its an all time high. Boks by 30 at altitude.
🤣🤣 @ braai fumes
I don’t reckon he actually believes what he’s saying I think he’s just trying to keep a brave face and being positive for the players sake as everyone respects him….
@@carbonblade1 100%. You can't expect Nonu to come out saying he doesn't believe in his country...
These pundits will keep lying to themselves until we humiliate them again
He’s an AB legend. He has to have belief. A team without belief has already lost. I believe the team has belief but it just doesn’t matter because of an aimless gameplan. All the belief and effort in the world means nothing when you come up against a well oiled, well drilled machine like the Boks if you don’t even know what your gameplan is supposed to look like.
Schall Burger is such a good analyst of the game. Wish he could start his own show like this.
I've been waiting for this week's "The Breakdown" since Sunday morning.
Me too. Was waiting to see JK and what he had to say. But as usual he is missing whenever AB'S lose badly
@@DD-RSA you don't get it. JK is omitted because he is the only one brave enough to speak truth on the show
As a Saffa, I have sympathy for the AB's because we went through a similar dip in 2016 under Allister Coetzee and it was painful as a supporter but i'm sure even worse for the players who come under fire constantly. I have no doubt the AB's will be back as strong as ever because they are a great team and the great teams always come back from a low point.
sad times for the AB's bro, feel sad for them, but they will bounce back to their best at some point, they'll be back soon bro.
Our slump in '16/'17 was waaayyyy worse than what they're going through now, not sure it's really comparable.
I have no sympathy for ABs especially since they said bokke rugby was boring last year, lol
@@tshifhiwaramatswana6862 clearly they didn't see our tries in the World Cup Final against an England team that smashed them.
Don't feel sympathy for us, we deserve to be where we are. We pick a coach who has won nothing in his CV as head coach, front row has many weaknesses our world once class players are past their prime, we lacked a game plan and implemented no style of play. ABs fail to dominate and act but instead we are playing reactive rugby. Yes opposition teams have got much better but this ABs team looks lost with no direction. We have 2 perhaps 3 world class players and that's it, Ireland deserved to beat us, South Africa too deserve to beat us my Saffa friend.
Edit: ABs are definitely not even top 3 and probably not top either 5 imo.
I met Nonu in a restaurant in Cape Town. What an amazing guy! So polite, so genuine and so generous. What a best on the field.
Just would like to say Nonu is a player I have a lot of respect for even as a South African fan. Two of the hosts on the show could help the AB with the high ball problems. Muls was really good under the high ball.
Gotta love Schalk. True hard man in the ilk of Jerry Collins.
JC, Burger, Kaino, Botha… they don’t make the hard-men like they used to these days.
Ill fitting trousers tho.
@@kainoizking totally agree. And they were skilled played on top of hard.
Yes, eye gauging was one of his specialties, ask the British Luins.
@@jonesyjones7626 he's a student of the game and an apt 'pupil'.
Schalk could come out of retirement and dominate this all black team😭😭😭
Why you hiding JK???? Put him on air.
Savea shouldn't be playing 8, Cane shouldn't be playing 7
Perhaps even Sam Cane shouldn't be playing at all. Just an opinion. Savea at 7. Frizell at 6 maybe?
Cane shouldn't be there at all and yes Savea should be at 7 Jordan should be at 15
@@Trajan2401 That would be a treat. Will Jordan at 15! That would be awesome. Potential to be close to Christian Cullen if Jordan plays 15. But, will the brilliant coaching staff do that. Nah, they are pretty much clueless.
Cane gone , beauden barrett too full back , we need a proper 10 like mounga too stare the ship properly, like dan carter did for 15 years.
@@danpan6249 comparing Mouanga to Carter is blasphemy
Marx is a fkin monster...
Living legend
It starts with the forwards. Kiwis traditionally have been super fast at recycling, hence caught defences out of position and scored buckets of tries. Ireland managed to mess with the rucks and slowed the Kiwis down. Same in SA where you have a committed defence with slow ball behind the rucks for the Kiwis. Nullified. They need more mongrel. I think a slight change in how they approach the rucks and working with the individual loosies for a week on technique and the whole facade will change for the Kiwis. They still have the backs but need the engine room to function.
PS: Nice to see Ma'a in the Republic.
Can't solve a technical problem if you're being bulldozed off the ruck at every turn. The team are too lightweight and lack the power of their opposites from SA, France, England and (going by recent performances) Ireland. It's the result of different training philosophies between NZ and many other rugby nations: SA and the European teams are far more invested in strength and power than we've become; NZ's game by contrast is based on speed, agility, skill and athleticism, which was fine when we were fitter and slicker than almost anyone else. Unfortunately it's no longer the case, and the ABs are consistently running into a brick wall of opposition players who are larger, stronger and just as athletically fit as they are, and are consistently coming off second best.
Agree plus it helps with the fitness imbalance when you can replace half your tiring pack with 20 to go.
The boks are pretending to be injured throughout the game, 8x in the game and that’s not counting faf or bb. So, when we’re on attack and lose the ball they pretend to be injured, when we’re on attack they pretend to be injured. That game was almost 110 minutes. Either we employ the same tactics or we complain every time they pretend to lay on the ground.
100%. Opposition Ds have become way too good at reading our attacking shape, whether it’s 1331 or whatever. I think we need to revert to attacking through the middle, like France do with DuPont. Big carriers with offloads because when we go wide, where getting caught behind the gain line which is just too hard to recover from
all of this is as of a result of Rassies video to rugby HQ. Everything is being policed more evenly now with much fewer ala Richie McCaw side entrie. The AB recycling is much slower now and that is a big reason why. The unfair advantage has been snuffed out.
Isn’t Isa Nacewa the same guy who made the comment about how France’s forward pack would trump the Springboks. Well, well, well - November 11 will be judgement day and I have full confidence in the Boks showing the world that they are still the best in the business
No mate that was stewart barns
Yes nacewa was the clown that said that .Boks pack on their day best in the world best tight five hands down .
France do have a really strong pack too right now. They definitely give the Boks something to think about.
@@rory7590 I’m sure the French pack would be competitive but to suggest that they will blow us off the park is outlandish
I remember 😂😂I think he made that comment from another time line vut it got prodcasted on this time lime
Love the humble nature of this weeks Break Down. Always special when we beat the AB’s so I’ll kick busk in this glory till you beat us again. Thank you
What should worry is what the SA brains trust have up their sleeves… Rassie is not the kind of guy who sits on his laurels, this is the 2019 game plan they are playing because it works pretty well still, but I guarantee you will see something else soon from them - in a match of consequence like a quarters or semi RWC
Go bokke
Otters mate for life and hold on to each while sleeping afloat.
They are each other’s significant otters.
@@jacqloock hehehe I should change my handle.
Definitely missed that triple threat Jerome, Richie and Read
6akira 8hoskins 7ardie(C)
You should miss our front row from the past. We have tier 2 front row players that are the reason behind a lot of our struggles
Chalk and cheese vs this lot
Yes its true😢 we have the bargain basement version of ritchie in sam cane
@@ahconscience4279 yess
Why was Sir JK not in today in this show? i really want to see him how he feels now after what he said about Springbok
He's a coward
His crying...
Exacltly....JK..doesnt give the boks any respect..was hoping to see the meathead on the show
Him and Fozzie are sharing a nice warm blanket to keep them warm as they both fall asleep quite nicely by the springboks boring rugby .....
New Zealand must put Schalk’s interview on a loop and play it on loud speakers on every Main Street in the country.
Lol
As a Springbok supporter growing up in the 70's and 80's, I had so many AB hero's.....Brian William, Syd Going, Murray Mexted, etc. The AB's have been the greatest team for many years now, but are hitting the bottom at the moment, while the Springboks are on the up the last few years...about time, since we wnet through a loooong period of suffering! NZ, keep supporting your team, coach and players, and it will turn!
We can't support a coach with a record like this, would you?
All completely missed the points that Burger made. Get an expert and listen please.
Foster probably fell to sleep during this game as well.
Lol
Yeah him aswell as JK 🤣🤣
It all turned pear shaped after the 2019 World Cup.Picked the wrong coach and hung on to too many players way past their use by date.NZR should be held accountable and sacked for very poor decision making.Its not rocket science.
Starts at the top. Agreed.
Razor Robertson will be rooting for a Springbok win this week!
If he is a real AB fan he won't be
@@fomofud9479 he probs won't because it's hard to believe what with a great coach he is that he'd have a mindset like that plus he has very little time to make the changes if he does get the team
@@jestersage8700 either way, I don't think he'd wish for an All Black loss regardless of the situation. Rassie turned the Boks around from a global joke into RWC champions in 18 months so it is possible.
In response to Mils making the point about Foster needing to be bold in the next test, my view is that the NZR needs to be bold too - in sacking him and replacing him with Robertson. If you are going to make a change, then there is no time like the present to make it.
Mills must also wake up. Cannot wait to lose the Bledisloe. Each test that passes is another closer to the World Cup. Decisions need to be made sooner rather than later
If you think Scott Robertson is the sole answer then I'm afraid you don't understand the question. Too much conservative Crusaders rugby has led the team to where they are. Doubling down will make the decline terminal. Yes, Foster should go, but there are at least five other guys (Schmidt, Gatland, Deans, Cotter or Joseph, with Milton Haig and Pat Lam among your assistants) you should call before you chuck Razor the reins.
NZR needs a clean out. It starts at tge Top who appointed Fozzie and his Crew. Whos developing NZ Rugby, where are the under20s. Whos developing the New Blood, the new ideas. Whos growing the NZ game? Who?
@@Formakiwi Most of those aren’t actually available and frankly I am getting tired of people trying to discredit Robertson for the bigoted, tall poppy reason of his being a Cantabrian. I’m not a Crusaders fan, but I recognise success. Something that the All Blacks could do with.
Why are these episodes so short :(
'The Breakdown', what a great name for a show about New Zealand rugby.
Question: Has the exit of SA teams from Super Rugby weakened NZ rugby?
It may have a part to play but it's not the main reason. NZ have the players and always will but it comes down to administration and management, the same BS that SA suffers from every few years. The AB's will be back soon, I have no doubt whatsoever.
Absolutely spot on. No proper physical preparations. As previous years.
Where’s Sir John?? I like his cut throat approach in these discussions, isn’t afraid to say it.
Richie Mo'unga should start in the next game and Stephen Perofeta off the bench plus put Will Jordan at 15.
And also sent Sam cane to nz
Not having SA in super rugby must have contributed somewhat to the current state of NZ rugby
I'm not buying that SR stuff.
@@brianmcsweeney9401 I'm the same most use that now as a reason remember it was new Zealand and Australia that said they did not want SA teams in SR now because they are playing bad they use it as an excuse. Could be the players in my opinion need to short themselves out.
this is the problem the All Blacks started to remain stagnant ever since graham henry passed the batten to Steve Hansen and now to Ian foster they have been in the same camp for a very long time which means no new ideas or strategies the All Blacks has always been ahead of everyone but know it seems the world has caught up and some have surpassed the All Blacks hopefully they found a way out of the pit if not its gonna be a sad era for the ABs for the future to come
Steve Hansen inherited a team of superstars and there were very few selection issues because the team basically picked themselves. Hansens' shortcomings as a coach were initially exposed during the 2017 Lions series (after most of the greats had already retired), and then culminated in the 2019 World Cup disaster. The decline has continued under Foster, but the wheels have now completely come off in 2022. Very sad to see. 😔
I wish they were stagnant, this team is in reverse.
NZR has kicked SA out of super rugby, and now they reap the rewards. Where are Sir John Kirwan? he was very supportive of that move. Also, the game plan of the AB's are very predictable and lack intensity. The AB team of yesteryear were more clinical, more intense and played with a lot more passion. With the wealth of talent the AB's have, they could have easily counter the Springboks on Saturday.
Could have EASILY countered the Springboks ...? 😂 Pity the Oceanians' talent isn't as good as that of the Springboks. If they were they would have won. Bottom line: the Oceanians' talent cannot compare to that of the Saffers, neither in quantity nor quality. Just accept it mate. It's the right thing to do.
@@wouterswanepoel5753 I wouldn't become so arrogant just yet boeta, the boks was in the same position before Rassie came in and brought some stability in SA Rugby. Talent will never be a problem in NZ rugby, and at the moment they are coached by Allister Coetzee 2.0
@@IronCross666 Let me tell you what IS arrogant, especially after having been humiliated: "With the wealth of talent the AB's have, they could have easily counter the Springboks on Saturday." Let me put it differently: the Springboks' all-comers, new-comers team that was fielded against Wales in the second test, would ALSO have smashed the Oceanians on Saturday.
Ja nê!!!
@@IronCross666 😂😂😂
A good start would be to look at the coaches and tactics of the teams that beat the AB. Even France have started to look really solid defensively with a really tremendous defense coach. Farrell is a stand out. Jones is more shrewd than people give him credit for, plus hes not scared to blood youngsters. It almost seems that the AB are unsure of how to play to their strengths nowadays. Broken field unstructured play is getting rare in the big games. If you cant win upfront, and your flying wingers are not getting a sniff, what are your tactics ? Push the front 5 further out and let your back 3 and wingers come through the middle ? But dont lose the ball or their wingers will skin you alive. If you get thru, high chances on a score. Line breaks as the main goal ? ?
that CROWD oh my goodness!! what an atmosphere - Haka was completely drowned out!!
Great honest talk Mils. It is a great SA side.
The more the all blacks loose, the shorter "the breakdown" episodes get. Hahahahaha lol. At this rate we going to end up with a show 2 minutes long!!!! Hahahahaha lol!!!
God forbid they analyze the opponent...
There is a very good reason why the rugby programmes are shorter when the AB's lose.....domestic violence goes up.
So true! 🤣
Yes. Wonder why. When they win its all fun and games. Jk there and tails up. When they lose they don't even have a decent studio to sit in
It’s because the commonwealth games are on at the moment and our sport channels are mainly dedicated hence why they’re also in the smaller studio. Lol probably works out better though, can’t imagine it would be much fun to sit there for an extra half hour talking about how badly we’ve been belted. AGAIN. Lol
Finally Isa Nacewa can actually give the tough critiques.
Opposition Ds have become way too good at reading our attacking shape, whether it’s 1331 or whatever. I think we need to revert to attacking through the middle, like France do with DuPont. Big carriers giving good offloads because when we go wide, we’re getting caught behind the gain line which is just too hard to recover from.
😏… as for Nacewa saying that Bok forwards are inferior to France’s… we’ll we don’t forget
Hahahahahaha yeah true!!
It's funny how Springboks never get credit for being the best in the world
@@redpilled9595 yeah. We’re always labelled as boring, predictable etc etc. I won’t forget the episode where Nacewa said France forwards would flatten ours… I just wanna see that with my own eyes,
@@dumingwenya7388 100% I enjoy the scrum of the opponents getting destroyed. It's not boring at all.
It's been a hard frustrating loooong road but we finally got back to playing the rugby we always new we can play. I don't care if we don't win every game aslong as we play good rugby.
The ABs also lack aggressive ball carriers in the forward pack...besides Savea, S.Barrett and Taukei'aho, the rest can't break the advantage line...unfortunately i would replace Whitelock as well, he has no impact with the ball and is not the dominant defender like he use to be.
There's no obvious contender to replace him unfortunately.
@@Formakiwi Tom Robinson has been in form for the last 2 years. Dunshea and Goodhue are also decent locks as well.
Missing Brodie Retalic big time.
Tafia Pautalo Sam Cane can't do anything
If any team can, then it's NZ. I expect them to play with less pressure and more precision next match. The Irish figured them out after 1st test...maybe they'll do the same
There's nothing to figure out about the Boks, everyone knows what they're going to do. The AB's just need to pick their game up x 3. There is a chance that the Boks beat the AB's by more points next game.
The South African game plan and style of play has been criticized by most Rugby playing nations, but it we get it done when it matters. The AB remains world class and will get back on form.
What I also noticed in the show was the observation that every player in the Bok side has bought into the plan and knows *exactly* what to do and where to be. We also still need to polish up some things and must not get ahead of ourselves after that victory, but it seems Jacque is actually doing some good stuff.
The Boks have beaten the Abs when they were huge underdogs. The ABs are capable of doing the same this weekend. Especially if they ring the changes.
As the abysmal game against England at the last RWC showed, the ABs have lost the ability to adjust quickly if a team comes with a better attacking plan. The ABs have been dominant in attack for a long time and as a result, the opposition have kind of just reacted to what we were doing. That has changed. The other teams have better game plans and have obviously figured out how to nullify the ABs forward momentum. Individual talent isn't enough anymore.
Much better episode of Breakdown. Last couple of weeks it felt like they (Wilson) were towing the same line of denial as the NZRU.
I've always said, they have the athletes across the park.
Just need a good Coach, which they have.
France vs Bok final next year.
Can't happen, France NZ Ireland SA all on the same side of the draw. Sometimes I think these draws are purpose built to help England win.
@@MetYsJa It can happen a number of ways. Any team can play any team in the final of the RWC, regardless what sides of the draw they start on and regardless the group they are in.
Justin rolled that rrrr when saying braai! Well done!
Where is JK? These are the episodes we need his open opinion considering he's one of the few to speak his mind on here.
South African here. NZ will bounce back within the next year. You guys have too much quality. You have been at the top of world rugby for decades. I think this dip in performance might be good for you in the long run. You have something to play for again. I think next weekend is going to be much tighter.
Such great analysis all round. Makes me think, where is fozzie getting his analysis from 🤔
As an avid AB supporter for more than five decades , it saddens me say that I can see the Boks beating the AB's at altitude next weekend by 57 - 0 , and to add to the supporter woes , can we hold on to the Bledisloe Cup , what a nightmare if we lose that to Australia !
I don’t think much is going to change this weekend against the boks but the AB will be back, all teams go through rough times….. from a bok supporter 💪🏻
Come AB's, this Bok fan wants you back were you belong, somewhere at the top. Chin up boys and girls, your team will make a huge comeback in the not too distant future. No matter what happens you're still my number 1 and favourite opposition and that's never going to change ❤
Why did you guys blank out fosters post match interview ?
I never thought I’d see the day when the ABs didn’t have a decent pack. Crazy times.
Aparently you didn"t warch the 2 games against Ireland and France in November, because even at that time they didn't had a decent pack... they were just par in the scrum but that's all
I agree with many comments that we haven’t been the best that we could be since the Lion’s Tour. Doesn’t that go to show that we as a nation KNEW we needed some fresh ideas, a new approach, we had names like Jaime Joseph, Tony Brown, Dave Rennie and Scott Robinson who are all on the edge of the current game, yet the NZR board CHOSE more of the same. Everyone now has evolved while we have stalled.
Yup. This slow motion train wreck being so predictable is what makes it even worse to see.
I kinda of agree with the 'demise since Lions tour' sentiment (i went to two of those games). However, I was also at the Ireland game last November in Dublin and it is there that the alarm bells should have been absolutely clanging in NZ. It was a different game to watch in the stands vs the TV and what stood out to me (and I may be a bias Ireland fan but also love the way the MIB approach the game) is that Ireland could have won that game by a huge margin. We missed several opportunities to score when on the AB line. The AB tries were a solo special from Jordan and a set play from a line out. By and large that was it, there was a tiny % of the match where NZ were seriously attacking the Irish line or even in the 22. I really don't think that NZ rugby looked at this game hard enough as a barometer of where they were and on that day and it is a humble opinion - I have never seen them so comprehensively outplayed - with the same 2-3 players being over-relied upon to make things happen (Savea, Jordon and BB). I am used to Ireland being hammered by the AB's but when you looked at the back line positioning from the stands my general state of non-stop anxiety waiting for a AB counter-attack wasn't there. The normal AB's we come to expect weren't there. There was no plan B and not a huge sign of what plan A was .... 6 months later - nothing has changed.
Yes, come to Ellis Park the land of Lions. Come we going to rock your bus, we going shout an spit fire the fear of just being there will make you shiver. Sing load my brothers and sisters in SA sing load and proud.
This time next week we’ll be welcoming Scott Robinson as All Black coach.
Is it true that NZR gave fozzy the ultimatum of this being his last chance?
😂 stop joking 😂
That would be music to my ears
@@Jordan-ws6jy I’m not sure, but he can’t possibly be retained after another loss.
@@preest_nz Hmmm you'd think so. I thought so after the Ireland series/back to back defeats at home.
Where is sir JK?? I need his honesty
S/O to everyone on the show 🔥 🔥
All Blacks and Springboks are my two favourite teams in Rugby, and nothing in rugby come close to a clash between them. I think the South Africans benefited tremendously from the URC, while New Zealand is paying the price for Super Rugby. The Springbok Management nailed it when they pulled out and went up North. In my opinion, the blame here falls squarely on NZ Rugby for underestimating just how good the rest of the world has become. How to fix this? Work through it! Bring the young guns, prepare for the future! Play as hard as you can right now. But build for the future. RWC is around the corner. Lets see the AB’s and the Bokke in the final.
WHy do you think they benefitted from the URC.? I think it is an OK league now, but many still see it as a mickey mouse league.
@@dalenewton9697 ummm. Did you miss the series between the All Blacks and the Irish. How about what the English did to the Aussies? Have you followed the 6 Nations at all? Forwards establish plays through break downs and through set pieces. That is what NZ has to fix. Get the forwards into the the game. That is probably the biggest take away from playing NH sides. Just go and watch the six nations series. You will see what I am trying to tell you. The speed of the game in the set pieces and in the breakdowns. Nobody does that better than the NH sides. That is why they can create so much space for their backs. It is also in my opinion where the Boks beat your side. Rotalic plays in that mould. But I have not seen any other AB forward get it right yet. Thats why I keep saying! Bring out the new guns! They have time to learn before the RWC. If any team can overcome this, then it is the AB’s. To call the URC Mickey mouse…. 😂😂😂😂.
@@phelansa23 Hi I dont have any side. Im neutral. I see you are mentioning lots of relevant international games there but I believe I was asking about the URC, not international tournaments. I'm wonding why you think they gain an an advantage from being in the URC. YOu're talking about the *URC*, not the RC right?
@@dalenewton9697 ERC (Heineken Cup) and now URC are feeders for the NH teams. Just like super rugby is for the ABs and Ausies.
why is it only 30 mins now? what happened to the hour show?
The Boks can do Back2Back world cups maybe 3 🏆 🏆 🏆 they really are an amazing rugby country.. as long as the rules allow mauling from lineouts with all their giants plus their countless lightning backs, they will be the best
Maybe ….. unlikely though
There are at least 5 teams that could take 2023 RWC and I include NZ in that mix.
If the Boks can win all their end of year matches then it’s possible to go back to back …. It ain’t easy !!
As for the AB’s ….never write us off but they way they are playing right now …unlikely but after a clean out with fresh southern direction …very possible !!
@@billybobperth4368 the Boks rarely win all their end of year matches but I agree with your view especially that it includes Ireland and France. As far as the double, I don't know mate. We have a very good but aging team. I think the 2023 RWC has at least 5 teams that could win it and I include NZ in that mix.
@@hanoitripper1809 ha ha, that's what ppl said about the Boks 18 months before the 2019 RWC, right NZ off at your own peril.
As an Irishman, my outside in view is that there is no real strategy, unless that strategy is run the ball from everywhere? But the ball just seems to be shovelled on with no dummy runners giving options, therefore easy to defend. The ABs need to rip up whatever their current plan is and start afresh, I think they need to get Mr Robertson in 🤷🏼♂️
The English tried that razzle dazzle in the RWC final, how did that go? Not much credit is given to the Boks defence and the tenacity and aggression with which the fly into the contact area. The Boks defence have this uncanny way of inhibiting the orchestration of the team structure and game plan. As stated by tyson; everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face. Ireland won against a struggling side; don't get ahead of yourselves, sit down mate
@@adriannecolin5634 So NZ never played against and beat struggling Irish sides. You sit down fool. Ireland beat you fair and square unlike many of your previous referee assisted wins.
They have 30+ yrs of taking professional / critical approach to their game and so there must be 100% confidence in a return to success. I’m kind of fearful of what will emerge in 12 months time
As an Irish person new Zealand were at their best in test series with Ireland, when they stopped mickey moose offloads, cleared the rucks faster with more players hitting it, kept the ball and upped the tempo.
Scott Barrett at 6 is a good idea but the tight 5 seems a bit watery.
This backlash is a little disrespectful to the Saffa's. Now we must fire the coach blah blah blah. Then all the talk about SA being the old foe and our biggest rivals is all bull to build up viewership! If there is real respect there then you wouldn't say losing to SA in SA to the current World Champs - who beat the best of UK and Ireland with one week's training is a disaster worth overhauling the entire AB setup.
Desperate times call for desperate measures if we have to lose to get rid of Fozzie so be it never thought I'd ever say that but enough is enough remember SA were in exactly the same situation in 2017-2018 so they changed the coach the rest is history.Fozzie must go win or lose or else waste of time going to the world cup.
Kiwi Yasser that's how arrogant
First thing to do is answer THAT question. Win it or prepare for the future. Back to the basics...honesty and sincere.
I can recall the wallabies coach stating after a bledisoe cup loss that in his opinion Ritchie Mounga was the best fly half in the world. There is no doubt that Beauden Barrett is a brilliant player but the vast majority of his many outstanding moments occurr from broken play. The All Blacks were a more dangerous team when both players were on the field together with Mounga at fly half where his vision was important and Beauden Barrett at full back where he had open space.
The talk of Saffa's being such huge men constantly is just not accurate!! Go and look at the stats!!! They aren't bigger than the AB's and there are lots of players smaller. They just have a different attitude when it comes to physicality. Thats why Arendse can take on the likes of Clarke. You are living in a bubble - Wake up.
I think they're speaking about their forwards.
The majority of them are quite big and tall compared to the ABs.
Coming from a Saffa you are correct. We are not bigger than anyone else, we just have that crunchie mindset, absolute fearlessness at the breakdown.
@@nigel8484 No, they aren't dude! You telling me Scott Barrett and Sam Whitelock are tiny compared to their counterparts. Wiese isn't a man mountain and neither is Smith.
I see it as just another stereotype that characterises boks as braun over brains - when actually the AB's were outcoached and outsmarted on the weekend. The scoreline could have been worse.
@@kiwiyasss8644 No sir they're not..
But listen to what I'm saying..
The majority of the Boks forward pack are bigger.
Well thats obvious their forward pack was over 30 kgs heavier that's what they're referring to the forward pack it's like 4 kgs extra per player Tamaiti Williams should be there he's heavier than any of those forwards in both packs 145-150 kgs should've been there from the beginning and he plays for the Crusaders he owned Ofa in the SR final yet Fozzie still selected Ofa go figure it's like he's anti Crusaders or something
I'm worried that if we change head coach, we likely won;t see the results we're looking for right away -- How many losses in a new setup, with already deflated players, would we be able to handle before utter panic sets in??
I don’t think we’re looking for results. We’re looking for improvement. Like I’ve been saying there’s no shame in losing to South Africa (Our greatest rivals, current world champs, one of the greatest rugby nations) but it’s the way we’re losing. We havent seen any improvement in the last 4 years. No innovation on attack, no innovation in dealing with the rush D, no innovation in improving our kicking game like literally every other rugby nation has done. South Africa were outstanding dont get me wrong, but an AB team that can’t score a try until the 78th minute? There is clearly something so very wrong there.
@@kainoizking well said.
SA provincial rugby has gained huge benefit from switching to the Irish / Wales URC competition where they had to fight in a new arena to get themselves to the top of the ladder and eventually have Stomers and Bulls in final! Springboks will benefit also if can move into Euro Six Nations series. All Blacks? Keep playing Aus , Samoa and Fidji
Been waiting for this. Stop standing up for your mates. Call it what it is for a change... Let's see if they do that🍿
At last NZ being refereed properly...
Wayne Barnes is that you
Was that Willie le Roux casually doing shuttles after the game behind Skalla??
I think the ABs need to start looking at the WC. Give some others a chance to play. We Saffers been through this. Forget about World Standings, build that team. Schulk's words were true. We want a strong ABs side.
It all starts with a strong forward pack and world class 9 and 10’s. We haven’t had those for a long time and it’s hurting us. Back Mounga and start him and develop a good halfback. I think Smith is too one dimensional and his box kicking is average. It would be good to see us run out a team where everyone is playing in the right position. Bravery is needed with selections and I think the NZ public would welcome seeing some new blood. At least then we can say we are building for the future.
True about Smith, people rave about his pass but his game and tempo is slower than Webber and Christie, therefore the defence can see everything coming
@@wiz4469 Christie is a meerkat, not a fast paced half at all as the super rugby season showed. Webber, Fakatava and even Smith are rated higher than him. But will have nothing to lose if they bring new players to the fold. Mounga, Perofeta, RTS, Fakatava, Will Jordan in his best position at FB. Give Fosters leadership group a break ie Cane, Whitelock, Jordie. Being bipolar and playing players for 1 week then dropping them the next does nothing also but please dont bring back Lomax and Ta'avao.
Mo'unga is not a test level 10. Beauden's never been the same since that misbegotten experiment with him at fullback, but Ritchie's been anonymous in virtually every test I've ever seen him play.
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I wouldn't say everyone hates Ian Foster , the pundits are pointing out the flaws , as head coach Ian has responsibility to correct flaws and errors in game plan, he doesn't seem to have any tangible strategy.
Nisbo: springboks too good on the day? I think you'll find they're going to be good for a good few more days
Did JK get punished for being too honest?
As Springboks we need a strong all blacks team, I hope they will change things around this week and going foward.
There’s no way the AB’s won’t turn it around in seven days.Too much quality in that side .As Bok fan who loves the AB’s it’s so clear it’s a confidence thing at the moment .Everyone here in SA genuinely believes this AB side is one game away from clicking and being back to their best. We’ll be expecting that next week for sure.
Got the players, not the coach!
Don't want them to turn it around that would just keep Fozzie in the job longer
What is wrong with you. We all want the All Blacks to get up and be number 2 because it also is to our benefit to have them playing good. But for you as a South African saying you hope they turn it around for next week while playing us then you are indeed crazy. They can turn it up against other teams not us.
And not everyone in South Africa believes they are one game away from turning things around. Ireland has won 5 from the past 8 against New Zealand. South Africa is 3 wins 3 losses and a draw on the last 7. And dominated most of those matches. So the problems for New Zealand are deeper than one game. Their problem is not against the rest of the rugby world. Its against the Boks, Ireland and now France and England have won against them
our forwards are still sore.. I predict there'll be a lot of casualties amongst our forwards in Ellis Park
for the first time ever i want our team to lose next week. You can not say we are getting better each week and be playing the way we have been playing
I can see a France V South Africa World Cup Final. As long as Foster is Head Coach of the Allblacks they will lose many more games between now and then.
My blood is green but I see that game being one ankle-tap away from a more even game. Those 3-or-so linebreaks were genius. I reckon it'll be a different AB team this week. Think they put their toes in the water last Saturday but we'll see them swim this weekend! That Mbombela crowd couldn't be easy to be baptized in.
Totally agree.
Aside from Ardie Savea who is a tank. The rest of the ABs forward pack are not performing up to scratch. ABs problem is up front. Aspecially the tight 5. If they struggle then it simply doesn't matter how good your backline is because they will always be on the back foot and under allot of pressure
I say go big. Drop cane. Put ardie into 7. Frizell at number 8. Scott at 6.
me likes this backrow 😁 FOZZY are you listening bruv!?
Not only have the All Blacks not improved and continue to play the same game plan expecting success, but they are also losing player depth as they continue to use the same players and shunt new players with minimal game time. Our substitutes were ineffective, which used to be a key strength, and if the regular players get injured like the Barret brothers, it will take time for Mounga and Jordan to adjust.
Still the same issue that was there when we - England - won the RWC semi-final in 2019. I don't think Ian Foster was to blame then, or for the struggle New Zealand had with Ireland's maul in Chicago in 2015 (and are still having seven years later), or other issues where the NZ forwards got pummelled up front and they couldn't pull it out despite that. And I don't think sacking Ian Foster will fix those issues either and whoever replaces him will still have them and they'll still be unresolved. Do you want to win anotherRWC? Fix that.
Foster hasn't fixed them either. There hasn't been any progress whatsoever.....nothing! Surely we'd discern what he's trying to do with regards to a game plan and style of play!? Nothing!
He needs to go, this is professional sport and at this level results are EVERYTHING!!
What's England's excuse then? With only World Cup to your name (the least out of anyone), four wins from the last two Six Nations (and one win from your last five games against Scotland) you're hardly in any position to be doling out advice now are you.