I feel like Gumiho could have won that if he played more defensively, he still had plenty of resources and could have forced Creator into an awkward fight instead of fighting on home turf. Protoss was getting close to mining out, Terran still had two untouched nodes
Oh, I remembere the fight between Creator and TY with massive battlecrusier and tempest before. Few years later, Golden fleet finally take the avenge to the terran fleet. (But I think that TY really did better then gumiho in this game. )
Gumiho kinda executed it poorly in the last engagement. He should've EMP and then yamato b4 those tempests went to the defensive battery. He didn't yamato, so the engagement was a waste and he still decided to fight at a disadvantage. I think gumiho misread the situation where both were standing and not realizing how big creator's eco was.
Despite Gumiho's mistakes, even when he got cornered like that, he seemed to kept a pretty good position up until he took the last fight. He did the jump, he even did EMPs... and then nothing? Then proceeds to take the fight anyway in Creator's defensive position.
Yeah his Yamatos were really late and I'm not sure what he shot, but it wasn't carriers or tempests, huge waste of the ability imo. The chaff units creator had did their job of soaking damage, especially those void rays that ate so many viking shots since they were closer.
Gumiho would probably have won the final fight, or at least got out about even and stayed in the game, if he Yamato'd properly after Jumping. For some reason there was no Yamato, after several seconds there were a couple Yamatos but still not every BC was doing it at the same time... You need need to Yamato IMMEDIATELY after warping ontop of their fleet, or else it takes the whole point out. Being even 1 second slow actually makes the difference between winning a fight with several BCs leftover vs losing a fight. If you are 2 seconds slow it's even more drastic of a mistake. So it only makes sense Gumiho lost that fight hard. If you Yamato immediately after Jumping though, BCs easily beat Carriers/Tempests. But I'm a Creator fan, so GO CREATOR! Just would have been cool if the game continued even longer X)
Yeah. Yamato is an alpha strike ability, and a damn good one. If well targeted, it can obliterate several protos carriers and tempests within a few seconds of the engagement, and then BCs just obliterate, as you'd expect frontline capital ships to do when faced with combat support vessels and artillery platforms in close combat.
I know I'm nowhere near their level, and maybe I've been spoiled by the likes of Maru/Clem/marinelord/serial/rogue and many others, but this just didn't look very well played from either side.
come on man.controling the terran army after cariers join the fight is a nightmare.constant aggro change force a lot of attention to target fire the right unit.
Holy sh*t...this is probably the only time I see Skytoss wins against Skyterran as they seem designed to lose in the first place😂 Great game for both Creater and Gumiho!
Exactly the same - I have actually never seen skytos win against skyterran at this high level of play. But honestly toss had to do much more effort and combining much more units to be able to win this. 9/10 games as terran you just need to spam BC with some vkiking here and there, dont need to micro much and you still get upper hand when you use yamato at least little bit effectively.
Just for the record, since it's a theme now I've heard in multiple videos, who cares if it's an "old" strategy. The only thing you worry about is the man across from you. If he's using an "old" strat, you still have to see it, recognize it, and defend it. If it works and wins games, it's still a good strat. It doesn't matter if it's fashionable or not.
Skytoss is the most expensive build not just in resources but also in supply. Not to mention how long it takes to build up. Carriers need to build up their interceptors which also drains your minerals. It’s only OP if you let them build up 200/200 and if you fail to stop them before that, you deserve to lose to it.
Funny... These guys would go up one side of me and down the other. But compared to some others featured on this channel, there is a clear gap between them and the top.
14:35 no, it still wasn't good for gumiho, he has no bank and didn't really accomplish much and lost a huge amount of bcs, that actually likely costed him the game. but hey, I guess that's why you moved to sc1
"We're gonna get to a climax pretty soon here". My seek bar tells me otherwise.
Yo mom joke
Once Terran went full air, the power of those little Stalker packs skyrocketed
Ah 2012, good times for SCII
That overcharge is really what did it for creator. Most of the yamatos went into a single carrier and it never died.
Yea, and also the fact that he didn't Yamato parts of skytoss immediately
Yamatoing at least some of the army would give him an upper hand
I feel like Gumiho could have won that if he played more defensively, he still had plenty of resources and could have forced Creator into an awkward fight instead of fighting on home turf. Protoss was getting close to mining out, Terran still had two untouched nodes
He definitely overextended at the end there, still wound have been a tough fight either way
agree, could've sat back, and do some repairs and more ground units to counter the stalkers
@@slufffyg503 the offensive jump and not using yamato right away ended that game for him.
Yep. Absolutely. That's the secret to Terran. Actually mines out slower.
@@smackinbaits6693 O jesus. I feel like no pros ever repair ever but you just want to see it so bad when they have like 15 vikings all in the yellow.
the mad lad!!! @14:20
he was using the Battle Cruisers as bait so the mass vikings could attack the mining base!!!
bait? those BCs were doing serious damage, and heading for production. You can't just ignore them?
@@jn278it was a joke
Oh, I remembere the fight between Creator and TY with massive battlecrusier and tempest before.
Few years later, Golden fleet finally take the avenge to the terran fleet.
(But I think that TY really did better then gumiho in this game. )
ruclips.net/video/iHS8M4VUwrI/видео.html
If you wonder which battle I mentioned about, here it is.
Gumiho kinda executed it poorly in the last engagement. He should've EMP and then yamato b4 those tempests went to the defensive battery. He didn't yamato, so the engagement was a waste and he still decided to fight at a disadvantage. I think gumiho misread the situation where both were standing and not realizing how big creator's eco was.
TY is way better at that style but I believe he still lost.
That proves that Creator is really good at late-game vs Terran
@@jimraynor4383 TY annihilated Creator's fleet and won that match.
Despite Gumiho's mistakes, even when he got cornered like that, he seemed to kept a pretty good position up until he took the last fight.
He did the jump, he even did EMPs... and then nothing? Then proceeds to take the fight anyway in Creator's defensive position.
Yeah his Yamatos were really late and I'm not sure what he shot, but it wasn't carriers or tempests, huge waste of the ability imo. The chaff units creator had did their job of soaking damage, especially those void rays that ate so many viking shots since they were closer.
Gumiho would probably have won the final fight, or at least got out about even and stayed in the game, if he Yamato'd properly after Jumping. For some reason there was no Yamato, after several seconds there were a couple Yamatos but still not every BC was doing it at the same time...
You need need to Yamato IMMEDIATELY after warping ontop of their fleet, or else it takes the whole point out. Being even 1 second slow actually makes the difference between winning a fight with several BCs leftover vs losing a fight. If you are 2 seconds slow it's even more drastic of a mistake. So it only makes sense Gumiho lost that fight hard.
If you Yamato immediately after Jumping though, BCs easily beat Carriers/Tempests.
But I'm a Creator fan, so GO CREATOR! Just would have been cool if the game continued even longer X)
Yeah. Yamato is an alpha strike ability, and a damn good one. If well targeted, it can obliterate several protos carriers and tempests within a few seconds of the engagement, and then BCs just obliterate, as you'd expect frontline capital ships to do when faced with combat support vessels and artillery platforms in close combat.
Man so manny Videos in one week? We are truly blessed
Aiming to upload 3 videos a week!
Whenever I see the words "Mass Battlecruiser" I remember TotalBiscuit. Rest in peace John.
Was Just thinking "would be cool to have something to watch will I pick up kiddos". o/
The stalkers at the end made the cut.. wow! Epic!
I know I'm nowhere near their level, and maybe I've been spoiled by the likes of Maru/Clem/marinelord/serial/rogue and many others, but this just didn't look very well played from either side.
Agreed.
@@lordlopikong6940 Terran straight up just didn't yamato for some reason.
looks like they both just want to go next
Jump without yamato and jump and getting cornered.. idk man. That was terrible to watch.
I see BC's I click right away
Those batteries really shine in the final fight
To be honest the usage of BSs and especially their yamato was pretty terrible
come on man.controling the terran army after cariers join the fight is a nightmare.constant aggro change force a lot of attention to target fire the right unit.
Compare to what TY had done before could see a little bit gap between two players controlling the fleet.
Nice work, awesome game!
Guys, you need to change the description from "Gumiho & herO playing" to "Creato & Gumiho playing"
Holy sh*t...this is probably the only time I see Skytoss wins against Skyterran as they seem designed to lose in the first place😂
Great game for both Creater and Gumiho!
Exactly the same - I have actually never seen skytos win against skyterran at this high level of play. But honestly toss had to do much more effort and combining much more units to be able to win this. 9/10 games as terran you just need to spam BC with some vkiking here and there, dont need to micro much and you still get upper hand when you use yamato at least little bit effectively.
Just for the record, since it's a theme now I've heard in multiple videos, who cares if it's an "old" strategy. The only thing you worry about is the man across from you. If he's using an "old" strat, you still have to see it, recognize it, and defend it. If it works and wins games, it's still a good strat. It doesn't matter if it's fashionable or not.
Gumiho fucked that up.
description says gumiho vs ‘hero’ right now even though title is correct
Wtf Bro?! And the yamato canion?? What a big mistake
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how do you do this type of test games?
protoses favorite band is blink 182.
TvP is the best match up
I thought the title of this video was "Maru's Battlecruisers vs. Mass Tempest". Clearly I've been watchin too many Maru videos 🤣
BCs with Yamato cannon is great, but if they get one shot by Tempest before firing? Dunno about that
Is there where we call SkyToss OP? xD
no
Skytoss is the most expensive build not just in resources but also in supply. Not to mention how long it takes to build up.
Carriers need to build up their interceptors which also drains your minerals.
It’s only OP if you let them build up 200/200 and if you fail to stop them before that, you deserve to lose to it.
Wish I was an observer... That way I could be creepy AND invisible
Супер 👍
The Golden Armada always wins. En Taro Tassadar, En Taro Artanis, En Taro Zeratul!
lol GuMiho dropping all the MULEs. Players in other SC2 games try to call down a MULE and the system is like "Nope, all in use, try again later.
Funny... These guys would go up one side of me and down the other. But compared to some others featured on this channel, there is a clear gap between them and the top.
very goood fight :)
he totally threw that one
The ATTACKER looses.
2 times TP, 2 times loses
GuMiHo still lives??
if gumiho brought his scvs to repair in the last battle he would have won
14:35 no, it still wasn't good for gumiho, he has no bank and didn't really accomplish much and lost a huge amount of bcs, that actually likely costed him the game. but hey, I guess that's why you moved to sc1
ladder shitter strats working as intended
Carriers are obsolete now. Too much reliance on economy is detrimental in a long run.
Wrong description
questionable BC jumps from Gumiho?
StarCraft Brood War, No one plays the game ?
tempest is just to strong in long range...
Y'all been sleeping on creator for a decade. Now what do you have to say?
Gumiho really flubbed that one with his Cruiser play. So about the same on Creator as before
Now I remember why I quit this game. U gotta do all this shit with bc, ghost marine mirco, medviac,raven. Bro toss a click and storm.
This shits so fast paced what the fuck
讓的太明顯了吧
Protoss army suppose to be stronger but NOW is like weaker than Terran and Zerg, what is going on LOL
drop 20 mules and not wait to spend it? what a noob
Full match please! Those jumps are very annoying!
Can't use lighters in 2022. We need that gas to get those tanks to Ukraine 😂