In this game when your artillery ran out of ammunition, it counts as you no longer have artillery in your army, so the AI will switch from rush mode into defensive mode. We can work around this by saving just 1 ammunition left on 1 of the cannon, so the AI will keep running at you.
Newbies dont get that artillery isnt for kills, but to make the other guy come forward and to break through in critical spots. Using armstrong guns the way the way it was done in the video is such a waste.
25:29 - That was a very standard friendly fire moment for Fall of the Samurai. You notice your units getting shot up and think "who is doing that?" and when you check it's one of your own other units from across the battlefield.
@@bigchum3984 An allusionary joke about being on period and rectal copulation. Hill = Penetrable bodily cavity, Under artillery fire = Expulsion of detached endometrial lining. Hope the joke is overexplained to the highest standard of ruination.
using the tech from this game with needed AI improvements, they should make an epic global campaign much like what we see in paradox games. The time periods could start in 1300 to 1800, with add content that takes us from 1800 to 1920 and other ancient time periods.
THAT WAS AWESOME i remember watching your total war Attila eastern Rome series and being amazed at your strategies with barely 4 units and fighting off waves of enemies you're still a god of total war
Not sure if anyone else noticed but around 20:30 he activates the grapeshot ability and the round type changed mid air before the artillery crew even loaded a different type of shot.
One thing I've noticed in FOTS is that the enemy AI will prioritize your high quality units over lower quality ones to an absolutely silly extent. So if you use a layered defense formation, with Levy Infantry in the front and Line Infantry at the back, the enemy will continue to rush forward until they're within range to shoot at your line infantry, allowing both your line infantry and levy infantry to shoot at them. But if you have two rows of line infantry, there's no quality disparity between them, and so the AI will stop once they reach your first row of line infantry and fight them; whilst staying out of range of your second row.
Shogun 2 in general is special in the way that every unit, even early one can still have some use even later in the campaign, like yari ashigaru. Sure with good economy you can field samurai armies, but realistically most battles would involve loads of ashigaru's with only couple of samurai on each side. Doesn't help that historical records are inconsistent and there were no standards, as each clan did it's own thing. Median was calculated that around 20% was samurai. It varied widely, so take it with grain of salt.
@@masterexploder9668 Historically the Samurai needed to be fed, clothed and paid somehow. They were freed from regular labour. Even forbidden to trade. Even with the level the Daimyos exploited the peasentry whose boys also made up the Ashigaru you got a recipe for disaster aka famine etc. Taking this into consideration 20% sounds like a lot.
I would never be a good soldier. There’s essentially no cause that would allow me to see that and still say “Yeah i’ll keep marching towards that enemy”
@@sup1602 Rifled cannon like the Parrott rifle could use canister but it was less effective than with smoothbore cannon. The basic reason was the rifling messed with the ballistics and did not disperse in as large an area as smoothbore pieces. The game models 'case shot' with the 'shrapnel' ability which was set to explode at a distance with a timer.
"Do maybe a little bit better than what he did." This has basically become Legend's catchphrase for saving disaster battles. And seeing Legend have so many hills to choose from is pretty much heaven for him with his love of hills.
It's the game not the player. He virtually ignores hills when he's playing warhammer. It just this game strongly rewards fighting from an elevated position.
You featuring this game again recently made me fire it up for the first time in years....gotta say it's some of the most fun i've had playing Total War titles
27:10 Thats like playing Napoelonic Wars Line Battle online or any reenactment of Napoleonic Wars or American Civil War ever :D "But you gave us the Fire at Will earlier, Commander"
The way you have the troops deployed on top of the railway line - I so wish a train would come by once in a while. Could be super funny and you could use it a gainst the AI, too :D PS: The stars seem to be differently coloured, too. I guess the one on the left is the normal General level and the one to the right are his offensive bonus stars.
Legend single handedly increase 30% of 2023 sales of fall of samurai . Been watching you fos videos and found the game 4 USD and I applied your tactics and all of a sudden it's 5 am.
I think the general was getting the extra command stars in battle from the skill picks in his tree. Some give extra command point for offence, defence, ambush battles etc.
in FOTS A veteran full stack army with combined arms going up against 3 full stacks of moderate to low quality units isn't a disaster battle so much as it is a very fun live fire training exercise. I used to deliberately try to encourage my enemy to attack me in force because single enemy armies would retreat and even if they didn't fighting them 1-1 was boring.
I been playing shogun 2 for a month now and i think im not going back to WH until i can play the empire as i play a regular faction un FoS, im having a lot of fun
Hey Legend! I love your content! These videos always help me out with new strategies on how to take down massive armies! (Even if it's a loss, I can at least do massive damage to them!) I do have a quick question, are you running shogun 2 on borderless windowed? If you are, how are you doing it? Thanks in advance!
@@LegendofTotalWar So sad, but I understand this is your business you need to do what makes sense financially. But hey, I really really REALLY enjoyed this period of shogun 2 bonanza. Maybe if you do it once a year or two years the hype comes back
4:19 Pretty sure the stars in the main generals potrait include those of any supporting agents like whores or vets. 12 stars means he has a 6 star hero or whatever in the army w/ them
I like your videos especially lately the ones about Shogun and FOTS, but it would be really nice to see you win a difficult battle without exploiting the enemy artillery deployment. It really dumbs down the whole battle (just stand and fight on a hill) and i dont think you are in need of doing it.
It's just how CA is, once they stop updating a game they STOP. Base game Shogun 2 still has clans with Kisho ninja bonuses like the Hattori and Tokugawa having worse stats than normal Kisho ninja from other clans. A mod exists that fixes this bug but CA can't even be bothered to just port that mod into the base game, they were able to take the time to make FoTS a saga title and more expensive, and remove the Hot Ashigaru Sex Chat though :\
aw man it makes me sad to see the AI unable to use tactics. If the AI were to actually use their artillery in a semi decent way this would have been a lot tougher of a fight. As it is, the AI essentially had no artillery and were forced to rush a heavily defensible position. And they went in piecemeal. Shogun 2 really needs a reboot or an AI update
He did use it briefly when skirmishing with his sharpshooters late in the battle. But I wonder if he avoided it because it breaks units rather than killing them and with this many stacks at once it's ideal to kill as much as you can.
All the games Total War has made that are so so good how did they make such a bad miss with the new one! Such a shame, I also feel like its time for a new engine massive version of Empire again.
Full disclosure this is just my theory from playing again recently: Units that make it to the edge of the map will usually survive unless they are completely shattered and with very low strength left, the difference with a large chain rout like this is that most of the units were in the process of routing, still on the battlefield when he clicked the end battle button. A longer lasting fight where individual units break and can escape is more likely to have leftovers
Is anybody else getting bored of FotS by now? Find a hill. Stand on it. Watch the enemy walk into your guns and die, because old TW AI was not as good as our rose-tinted glasses cause us to remember it to be. Please can we all just move on to a more interesting game?
@@oliverhughes610yeah the saves being sent are just your average FOTS battle which is why it gets stale. I once had an exceptional battle where I have like 6 units against four stacks armies in a siege and I had to perfectly manouver my 10 unit reinforcement into the fort without getting caught outside. I lost but it was cool to see a battle that actually required me to think properly instead of instantly winning the moment my Armstrong cannons can begin firing
In this game when your artillery ran out of ammunition, it counts as you no longer have artillery in your army, so the AI will switch from rush mode into defensive mode. We can work around this by saving just 1 ammunition left on 1 of the cannon, so the AI will keep running at you.
Found this out the hard way the other day
Newbies dont get that artillery isnt for kills, but to make the other guy come forward and to break through in critical spots. Using armstrong guns the way the way it was done in the video is such a waste.
@@avavaviv1Isn’t the reason they are coming in is because artillery is threatening kills? Why would they come in if artillery wasn’t for kills?
Artillery destroyed half the enemy army there, how is that a waste?
25:29 - That was a very standard friendly fire moment for Fall of the Samurai. You notice your units getting shot up and think "who is doing that?" and when you check it's one of your own other units from across the battlefield.
Turning off your artillery and infantry so your cavalry can run down stragglers. Becomes second nature very quickly in FOTS
That long range. .... Gotta love that Realistic Ballistic Aspect.
This is why doing full encirclement is actually not such a good idea lmao
Shogun 2: "Babe, my hill is under artillery fire, lets not do this today"
Legend: "Are your other hills under fire aswell?"
Shogun 2: "No?"
Legend:😈
Lmao what does this even mean 😂
@@bigchum3984 legend is a declared hillophiliac
@@bigchum3984 An allusionary joke about being on period and rectal copulation. Hill = Penetrable bodily cavity, Under artillery fire = Expulsion of detached endometrial lining.
Hope the joke is overexplained to the highest standard of ruination.
Hahahahaha
artillery in this game is so hypnotic
I click on the video, I see artillery is involved, and I watch
I don't think I'll ever get tired of it
This game is such a timeless masterpiece. CA should definitely learn from this.
using the tech from this game with needed AI improvements, they should make an epic global campaign much like what we see in paradox games. The time periods could start in 1300 to 1800, with add content that takes us from 1800 to 1920 and other ancient time periods.
Just for gods sake fix the awful artillery targeting the corner of every unit lmao.
When you lone wolf three doomstacks...
he is so good at these games it's amazing to me that he still finds it enjoyable when he's that good.
Doomstacks? lol they were throwing spear levy at him….
@@knights6239like 5 spear levy and 30 imperial inf
I'm so in love with shogun 2 and fots i can't help it
One of the best games ever made
@@xleftsidex1627 THIS IS SO TRUE!!! I really hope they make Shogun 3.
@@Vadelinoz Looking at the newest total war games I'm not sure if I want them to make shogun 3
@@BBC_gobbler Yep, its better for Shogun 2 as their prime arts.
Legendoftotalwar is literally the definition of “I’m not stuck in here with you, you’re stuck in here with me”
THAT WAS AWESOME i remember watching your total war Attila eastern Rome series and being amazed at your strategies with barely 4 units and fighting off waves of enemies you're still a god of total war
Not sure if anyone else noticed but around 20:30 he activates the grapeshot ability and the round type changed mid air before the artillery crew even loaded a different type of shot.
Magic
One thing I've noticed in FOTS is that the enemy AI will prioritize your high quality units over lower quality ones to an absolutely silly extent.
So if you use a layered defense formation, with Levy Infantry in the front and Line Infantry at the back, the enemy will continue to rush forward until they're within range to shoot at your line infantry, allowing both your line infantry and levy infantry to shoot at them.
But if you have two rows of line infantry, there's no quality disparity between them, and so the AI will stop once they reach your first row of line infantry and fight them; whilst staying out of range of your second row.
Shogun 2 in general is special in the way that every unit, even early one can still have some use even later in the campaign, like yari ashigaru.
Sure with good economy you can field samurai armies, but realistically most battles would involve loads of ashigaru's with only couple of samurai on each side. Doesn't help that historical records are inconsistent and there were no standards, as each clan did it's own thing. Median was calculated that around 20% was samurai. It varied widely, so take it with grain of salt.
@@masterexploder9668 Historically the Samurai needed to be fed, clothed and paid somehow. They were freed from regular labour. Even forbidden to trade. Even with the level the Daimyos exploited the peasentry whose boys also made up the Ashigaru you got a recipe for disaster aka famine etc. Taking this into consideration 20% sounds like a lot.
imagine walking in formation and a cannister shot just makes paste of like 15 guys to your right
I would never be a good soldier. There’s essentially no cause that would allow me to see that and still say “Yeah i’ll keep marching towards that enemy”
Well don’t worry, there’s still 185 guys left to be made into paste!
…just hope you aren’t one of them.
UHH ACUTLKY. I kinda wished canister was in the game, using the fast horse cannons in empire/napoleon and lining them up for a nice down line shot.
@@sup1602 Rifled cannon like the Parrott rifle could use canister but it was less effective than with smoothbore cannon. The basic reason was the rifling messed with the ballistics and did not disperse in as large an area as smoothbore pieces. The game models 'case shot' with the 'shrapnel' ability which was set to explode at a distance with a timer.
@fearan9406 The officer on the horse behind you won't miss.
"Do maybe a little bit better than what he did." This has basically become Legend's catchphrase for saving disaster battles.
And seeing Legend have so many hills to choose from is pretty much heaven for him with his love of hills.
It's the game not the player. He virtually ignores hills when he's playing warhammer. It just this game strongly rewards fighting from an elevated position.
In warhammer it’s the opposite though. Hills actively make your ranged troops worse, as the engine is unable to correctly calculate the ballistics.
I wonder if he's into either of Tors, Kuppe, Drumlin or Butte type of hills. Or maybe he's more interested in Foot hills.
I never gave a chance to Shogun 2 before I watch your channel, very good videos! Very fun to watch and now I'm addicted to play this game!
Keep doing these videos man! You're a genius and FOTS is experiencing a resurgence thanks to you
true I played shogun 2 at launch but never went back for FOTS, didnt realise its basicly better than napoleon until now
You featuring this game again recently made me fire it up for the first time in years....gotta say it's some of the most fun i've had playing Total War titles
Who's ready for hill lust?
Love the Fall of the samurai content. Keep it up!
Dude: legend i set up on a hill but it's not working
Legend: WRONG HILL!!!!!
your video format is goated, never gets old
27:10 Thats like playing Napoelonic Wars Line Battle online or any reenactment of Napoleonic Wars or American Civil War ever :D "But you gave us the Fire at Will earlier, Commander"
Being on the flanks must really suck. From a distance, you’d expect the center to go first not you 😭
The way you have the troops deployed on top of the railway line - I so wish a train would come by once in a while. Could be super funny and you could use it a gainst the AI, too :D
PS: The stars seem to be differently coloured, too. I guess the one on the left is the normal General level and the one to the right are his offensive bonus stars.
27:16 And that is where the disaster battle on the other side begins.
I feel Legend could stand to change his intro to something like "Lets jump in and see how badly we win" - i mean he never comes close to failing 😅
In FOTS there’s a fine line between heroic victory and crushing defeat though.
Just started playing shogun 2 because new total war games are boring. Then noticed how legend is doing the same 😂
Bring the excitement back!
Legend single handedly increase 30% of 2023 sales of fall of samurai .
Been watching you fos videos and found the game 4 USD and I applied your tactics and all of a sudden it's 5 am.
A Shogun 2 a day, keeps depression away!
I think the general was getting the extra command stars in battle from the skill picks in his tree. Some give extra command point for offence, defence, ambush battles etc.
in FOTS A veteran full stack army with combined arms going up against 3 full stacks of moderate to low quality units isn't a disaster battle so much as it is a very fun live fire training exercise. I used to deliberately try to encourage my enemy to attack me in force because single enemy armies would retreat and even if they didn't fighting them 1-1 was boring.
Legend of Total Hill 👌
I been playing shogun 2 for a month now and i think im not going back to WH until i can play the empire as i play a regular faction un FoS, im having a lot of fun
22:11
A beautiful light arms volley.
Day #3 of asking Legend to bring back his old outro quote "See you next time... Fuckers!"
Over all this years of disaster battles, it is still funny how the ai paniks and gets d e s t r o y e d by Legend :DD
8:34 wiggle wiggle glitching cavalry ahahahhah
Hey Legend! I love your content! These videos always help me out with new strategies on how to take down massive armies! (Even if it's a loss, I can at least do massive damage to them!) I do have a quick question, are you running shogun 2 on borderless windowed? If you are, how are you doing it? Thanks in advance!
w-w-wait, are you saying that a train passes through the battlefield!?
Another really solid win, Legend.
Question for you legend, how are these shogun 2 videos performing for you?
I love shogun 2 so much
It varies. They were doing amazing at first but I think that initial hype is wearing off. I don't know how much longer I can keep doing them.
@@LegendofTotalWar So sad, but I understand this is your business you need to do what makes sense financially. But hey, I really really REALLY enjoyed this period of shogun 2 bonanza. Maybe if you do it once a year or two years the hype comes back
Legend of Minced Horse Meat
4:19
Pretty sure the stars in the main generals potrait include those of any supporting agents like whores or vets. 12 stars means he has a 6 star hero or whatever in the army w/ them
I like your videos especially lately the ones about Shogun and FOTS, but it would be really nice to see you win a difficult battle without exploiting the enemy artillery deployment. It really dumbs down the whole battle (just stand and fight on a hill) and i dont think you are in need of doing it.
Ееее очередная битва, класс👍
I cant take it anymore im reinstalling the game again
I'm amazed that CA still haven't fixed the arty bug that forces arty to aim for the egde of units... I hate it
It's just how CA is, once they stop updating a game they STOP. Base game Shogun 2 still has clans with Kisho ninja bonuses like the Hattori and Tokugawa having worse stats than normal Kisho ninja from other clans. A mod exists that fixes this bug but CA can't even be bothered to just port that mod into the base game, they were able to take the time to make FoTS a saga title and more expensive, and remove the Hot Ashigaru Sex Chat though :\
I’ve just recently started playing Shogun II, still trying to get used to how different this game is.
aw man it makes me sad to see the AI unable to use tactics. If the AI were to actually use their artillery in a semi decent way this would have been a lot tougher of a fight. As it is, the AI essentially had no artillery and were forced to rush a heavily defensible position. And they went in piecemeal. Shogun 2 really needs a reboot or an AI update
Those are line infantry but nekoda reload boost is quite strong
Don't forget suppression fire.
He did use it briefly when skirmishing with his sharpshooters late in the battle. But I wonder if he avoided it because it breaks units rather than killing them and with this many stacks at once it's ideal to kill as much as you can.
All the games Total War has made that are so so good how did they make such a bad miss with the new one! Such a shame, I also feel like its time for a new engine massive version of Empire again.
These vids are great 👍
I have never seen such high quality AI armies. Was a mod involved?
Kinda surprise that there are none shogitai stack disaster battle yet, or legend doesnt like to make a video about it ?
Damn legend, the bots are Killin ur algorithm
"disaster battle" - guy with 1.3 mil in the bank and 72k per turn losing a stack of T2 infantry and 4 T3 artillery.
Is Legend actually excited about picking up a wooden cannon
how to spam economy like you?😢 30:29 damn the golds
Why no usage of the suppressive fire ability?
does a train come on the traintracks and kill stuff?
LEGEEEEEEND!!!
What is the command in order to see the previous formation while setting up a new formation
If Frodo went by the alias of Underhill, should Legend adopt the name of Onahill?
Onahole
whats the difference between Parrott guns and Armstrong guns
Bro... this is so mich cleaner thqn warhammer.
I now see that warhammer is objectivley bad
legend has been covering shogun 2 a lot for a while
29:28 can someone explain to me how it works? Cause when i do not run down units after the battle they will be alive.
Full disclosure this is just my theory from playing again recently: Units that make it to the edge of the map will usually survive unless they are completely shattered and with very low strength left, the difference with a large chain rout like this is that most of the units were in the process of routing, still on the battlefield when he clicked the end battle button.
A longer lasting fight where individual units break and can escape is more likely to have leftovers
Anyone know how can zoom in battle like Legend ?
Sometimes i believe the AI is programmed by 4 yr olds
I thought Obama Republic was between 2009-2017.
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Yo!
Oi
I think this channel needs to be rebranded as a Fall of the Samurai channel lol
Nani?
Is anybody else getting bored of FotS by now? Find a hill. Stand on it. Watch the enemy walk into your guns and die, because old TW AI was not as good as our rose-tinted glasses cause us to remember it to be. Please can we all just move on to a more interesting game?
I do wish people would submit battles where they don't have a stack it's impossible to lose with unless you really try.
@@oliverhughes610yeah the saves being sent are just your average FOTS battle which is why it gets stale. I once had an exceptional battle where I have like 6 units against four stacks armies in a siege and I had to perfectly manouver my 10 unit reinforcement into the fort without getting caught outside. I lost but it was cool to see a battle that actually required me to think properly instead of instantly winning the moment my Armstrong cannons can begin firing
No, I enjoy the carnage
Just you mate 😂
@@adambrande Maybe you should send in that replay of yours instead of complaining about what IS being sent
This is mostly cheese tactics exploiting poor ai not enjoying the tactical battle legend of americans is better title for you now.