No more 2-day-old 2 year olds?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- As of the end of June 2023, Korean age is no more! But what does this mean for speaking Korean? I met with Jieun 선생님 from the channel “그냥 한국어 Just Korean” to share what’s changing, and what you need to know.
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감사합니다! 너무 재미있게 봤어요. 저는 어려져서 행복한 한국 사람입니다:)
모두들 재미있게 시청하세요!
I am a Korean who is happy to be young :)
Have fun watching everyone!
Interesting about not using 반말 as much. There was a conversation about this on TTMIK about the same thing and also using 씨 or 님. It was how in English we got rid of thou/thee in the 1800s and just went with you (the formal version). So when the layers of politeness flatten they tend to the more polite. I think Swedish had the same thing.
It would be nice if Korea's approach to these age relationships resembled German more, which has its own 존댓말/반말 (siezen / duzen). How you address people is based on considerable gaps in your relationship. A 25yo and a 35yo will speak less formally with each other (address each other as 'du') but if you're 30, you'd speak formally to your boss or someone who's 60+. Korean's usage of this is based on quite literally any gap at all, significant or not. Just seems like it creates unnecessary power dynamics in every relationship.
Korean speech isn't only about age, but age is a big factor. ruclips.net/video/75WB63aoCZo/видео.html
I love this channel! Thank you for all your help!!
A beautiful collab. Many thanks
You definitely need to update your beginner course with this topic Billy. 🙂
It doesn't really need an update yet, except for a note "just use your regular age when saying your age, and Korean age for everything else as usual" since it just recently changed.
@@GoBillyKorean I mean just add an extra video or something giving a disclaimer about the changed. Because they’ll be a lot of people only focussing on your beginners course before expanding to your other videos. Better they know sooner during class then otherwise.
You helped me via email with a question about the ending ~넌, and I appreciated it so much. Thank you!
You seem like a genuinely sweet personn 😭
I'm sad to see Korean age go, it's an interesting system and it has its own logic. I like to think of it as the number of years you existed in.
But I didn't know about the other system of being 0 at birth
I think this change will affect children and teens the most. Or are the "landmarks" of those years, like what age you are in each grade, age to work, to drive, to drink, based on the other system which will still be used for that?
Imagine having to change the way you speak to someone on every birthday of theirs and yours. That would be super confusing.
Thanks for letting us know about the new law Billy
I was born December 31st 1991, i would have been a 2 day old 2 year old
When I see this dilemma about casual/polite speech I think thank God my Korean isn't good enough that I have to worry about this.
만 나이, 한국 나이는 한국 사람도 헛갈리는데 재미있게 잘 풀어주셨어요.
구독하고 응원합니다^^
I still feel about a year older - nine months is almost a year anyway.
(just to clarifying to anyone reading this, when I say friend here I'm using the English meaning for it)
From what I've seen so far (as someone not living in korea who only speaks a little) it seems the only people that are going to care about the change are people super close in age anyway who are also young. Particularly teenagers seem to be talking about it a lot. Like, lots of idol are talking about how it was always stupid a friend 3 months older then them they have to speak politely too but someone 6 months younger then them can speak casually. I also remember idols who went to school with mixed aged grades talking about how it was weird for them to come out of school and have their friends who are born only one year after them using polite language when in school people that age would have used casual language (if they were close).
Who comes to mind is the idol Boo Seungwan from Seventeen, he went to a tiny school in 제주도 where he was in the same classes with people a year younger then him. Because of that he allows another idol in his group, Dino, to speak to him in 반말 dispute being born the year after him. Other idols I think of are Beomgyu from TXT who spent years arguing with his older friend Soobin about using 반말 Because their age difference is less then 3 months and he's always thought it made no sense he should have to speak to him politely while he can speak to him however he wants. Since this new age change rule Beomgyu and Soobin have come to the agreement Beomgyu can speak to him in 반말 for all of the year their the same age but must speak in 존댓말 for those few months their different ages. Which is very petty but considering they've known each other and lived together for years I can see why their that petty XD.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the long run with all this.
Ah, cool Billy! I’m also 86년생! 안녕 친구! 😊
I think people will eventually adjust to the new system and keep using their birth years to determine who uses 호칭. Based on my experiences (although I'm obviously not a native speaker) most Koreans I've had contact with already use 존댓말 to me even if I'm younger by more than 2 years, so I guess not much will change? I generally feel as though the younger generations are more laid back with this whole 반말/존댓말 debate. Like, if you're not familiar with each other you're using 존댓말 and when you've become closer and both agree on it you start using 반말. This is just my impression though :)
Question about the pronouncing 나이!
Is there any rule that makes the tonic be 아 vowel and not on the 이?
Like, the difference between "nái" or "naí", why is it the first one and not the second?
Are there similar words where the tonic would be the last vowel?
Modern Korean doesn't use tones, at least not in standard Korean (some dialects still have words with tones in them). You don't need to worry about that :-)
@@GoBillyKorean Thank you for your reply! But maybe I didn't explain my question well, it was not about tones (like in Chinese).
There is a difference between the way you pronounced it and the way I would assume it was pronounced (which is wrong obviously).
I just wanted to understand why and if there is a rule.
@@auricia201 do you mean if the stress matters?
@@YouAreReadingThisDuh yes (I didn't know what "stress" was, but I googled). My question is, how do we know, based on hangul, what the stress on that word is, and if it matters
@@auricia201 well, the stress as you know it is absent in Korean as far as i know, the closest thing would be the pitch which is present in some dialects.
each syllable has equal weight, so you don’t have to stress any.
The popular comedian RUclips channel 흔한남매 (Sibling War) just released a video about this. 😂 볼 만해요.
Is that drink what they call Cowpiss in Japan?
Calpis is different, since that's not carbonated.
And I thought this was going to fix this problem where Koreans didn't calculate their age properly using math. Wrong. Nothing can fix that.
슬퍼요
😢
왜요?
@@SuAmazing 근양 한국 나이는 한국 문화에 특별한 부분이였으니까요 없어진거 좀 아쉬워요
@@myes7479 알겠습니다~ 설명하는 것이 감사합니다
혹시 없'진거' 무슨 뜻이에요?
@@SuAmazing
없어진거
Means to become non existent
When you add 아,어,여 지다 to verb it means to become
So I added 아,어,여 지다 to 없다
Most Koreans seem to welcome this change, but I think it's also a bit sad to see such a unique system disappear. It was literally the Korean age. Now it's just the same boring age everyone else uses.
It's the old chinese age system. It'd be like saying America would be losing something if it suddenly stopped using the British measuring system in favor of metric. The amount of cultural weight put on Korea's age system seems a bit overblown, since it changing doesn't introduce any noteworthy changes in how people will interact with each other.
Agreed