I run a red one on my 7950x setup and a black one on my daughters 7600 setup .. on air they are not going to help with thermals, but on water .. they can lower temps a couple degrees Celsius I think the are a more robust retention mechanism than the stock mechanism and I'll get another one when I'm able to get my wife switched over from AM4 to AM5.
I bought the _Thermalright AM5 Secure Frame._ The primary reason I bought it was to stop thermal paste from getting down inside those stupid IHS notches (what a silly design). For that it works great. I did not buy it for thermals at all and not for aesthetics. Using it with a 7950X on an ASRock X670E Taichi.
I just put one on a 7800 X3D. I will tell you where it is worth the money. I had to remove the block and it was sooooo nice when i had to clean off the thermal past off it. Took a little scrubbing but thermal paste came off so much cleaner. I will be buying another for my next build.
Thank you for this, interesting results, i remember when AM5 had come out people were saying they run hot and to get these AM5 socket clips to help with cooling. I almost caved in and bought one, it doesnt seem to do anything beneficial other than aesthetics. Thanks for sharing
@@AquaLady153 The intel actually needs to have a correction for a concave IHS (the metal "lid" over the silicon that is an (I)ntegrated (H)eat (S)preader) to even out the pressure. AMD's (AM5 socket) problem is that they made the IHS thicker, so there isn't a contact problem, they have just chosen for some reason to put a thicker top on the newer gen CPUs, causing a huge loss of cooling efficiency - A contact frame doesn't fix this, de-lidding does, which is a much more elaborate, advanced, and risky thing to do. Once you DO get a CPU de-lidded, you DO need a contact frame however, to ensure extremely tight tolerances.
Thanks man I was wondering what was the perks of the frame. Either way you helped me on deciding to get it since its like under $10 and well im not that confident in applying thermal pasting especially on these amd cpu. Much appreciated.
I thought the main idea of the frame was to have a better, anti- bending retention system over the, as you say, the mass produced and therefore variable quality of the original. The odd degree of lower temp being a bonus?
It is, but as AM5 doesn't suffer from the same problem, Intel does This really is for looks and from what I've read it's custom loop watercooling you may see a difference
I bought one of these, also the 12th gen ones really need it I believe they did benefit. It's saved for later for a future AM5 build, assuming I can find it with my tools. The red one.
The question I have to be honest is a little off topic but who knows I could find the answer here. I am building a SFF using the Formd T1. My question is that I mainly use my pc for Office productivity apps, PDFs, many many many tabs and statistical analysis Apps and some Python and when I have free time I play whatever new AAA game I want so which cpu would serve my needs most between these two in terms of low thermals hence low noise in this ITX build 7800x3d or 7950x3d.
Thermal Grizzly's version doesn't touch the PCB. He was afraid that pressure on the PCB would hurt the circuits inside. Apparently the Thermal Right doesn't hurt the circuits in the PCB though. Thanks for the video!
The thermal grizzly frame fits better than Thermalright I have. Both here and this video is a comparison between the both, and neither hit any circuits on the pcb
No, the contact frame was made to address the uneven contact surface of most CPU cooler heatsinks because of how the AM5 dies are arranged. The contact wasnt fully flat so these contact frames were made to level it out so what when you attach a CPU cooler you get the best contact between the CPU heating up and transferring that to the heatsink to be cooled off.
For Intel, not AMD AMD doesn't suffer the same problems as Intel does, and the contact frame was originally designed just for Intel, not AMD and if it actually helped with a cpu cooler it would of shown that in my thermals but it doesn't do anything except keep thermal paste from seeping over the cpu
Hi! What happens if I use a Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet Wärmeleitpad, will I have problems with an electrical short? Since this product is conductive, the opposite of thermal paste. THANK YOU!
You would have to know the exact size you need first and when you go to place it put a little tab of thermal paste on the edges to stop it from moving once it's installed under a gpu or a cpu cooler it won't move
I got a black one for my Gigabyte itx b650e Aorus ultra running a 7950x3d, and it makes no difference. Idle Temps are 50degC , and about 65degC while playing FarCry6. What does get hot to the touch is the Gen5 SSD heat sink
@WELSHYTECH Thanks, mate .. The Gigabyte mother board comes with a built in heatsink and fan with two SSDs Gen4 and Gen5 on top of each other. I wanted to build a 5.7L SFF gaming rig all aluminum chassis with 90mm fans, but if I really want to take advantage of the 7950x3d, I am going to a slightly bigger case that can handle 120mm fans .
Actually, the AM5 CPU are designed to boost to the maximum temperature within AMD limits this means they will hold the highest frequency they are able to do at the maximum temperature in testing with this product I actually locked the CPU to 4 GHz before and after installation where no core boost would be happening and I saw roughly about a 4° drop in maximum temperatures which is not a lot in your testing you were to note the frequencies you would see the frequencies would be slightly higher with this plate installed that is what I have found from my testing
@@WELSHYTECH run the same test I’m aware of what they say but also they do not say is it also helps to prevent distortion of the socket which can improve contact with the cpu cooler This is why you saw lower idle temperatures
Those are not for reducing thermals, they are for keeping even pressure on the cpu in the socket. The stock retention bracket only puts pressure the the sides of the cpu, causing a potential bow in the cpu.
Uhm gonna say you will never lower max temp on a am5 under max load it's design to boost to a temp and sustain the only difference would be what is the boost value at the temp.
It does nothing for thermals on this socket. It does prevent the thermal paste from oozing over the sides. You are not going to "bend" a AM5 cpu lol...
You should have recorded frequency and watts as well. Maybe your load temps were the same but perhaps you boosted higher and used more power as a result.
I run a red one on my 7950x setup and a black one on my daughters 7600 setup .. on air they are not going to help with thermals, but on water .. they can lower temps a couple degrees Celsius
I think the are a more robust retention mechanism than the stock mechanism and I'll get another one when I'm able to get my wife switched over from AM4 to AM5.
nice
I bought the _Thermalright AM5 Secure Frame._ The primary reason I bought it was to stop thermal paste from getting down inside those stupid IHS notches (what a silly design). For that it works great. I did not buy it for thermals at all and not for aesthetics.
Using it with a 7950X on an ASRock X670E Taichi.
I'm glad you're happy with it 😀
Very good video man keep up the good work
Thanks
I just put one on a 7800 X3D. I will tell you where it is worth the money. I had to remove the block and it was sooooo nice when i had to clean off the thermal past off it. Took a little scrubbing but thermal paste came off so much cleaner. I will be buying another for my next build.
I know I say in the video that's all it does is help with cleaning
Thank you for this, interesting results, i remember when AM5 had come out people were saying they run hot and to get these AM5 socket clips to help with cooling. I almost caved in and bought one, it doesnt seem to do anything beneficial other than aesthetics. Thanks for sharing
No problem at all
does well for intel
@@AquaLady153 The intel actually needs to have a correction for a concave IHS (the metal "lid" over the silicon that is an (I)ntegrated (H)eat (S)preader) to even out the pressure. AMD's (AM5 socket) problem is that they made the IHS thicker, so there isn't a contact problem, they have just chosen for some reason to put a thicker top on the newer gen CPUs, causing a huge loss of cooling efficiency - A contact frame doesn't fix this, de-lidding does, which is a much more elaborate, advanced, and risky thing to do. Once you DO get a CPU de-lidded, you DO need a contact frame however, to ensure extremely tight tolerances.
Thanks man I was wondering what was the perks of the frame. Either way you helped me on deciding to get it since its like under $10 and well im not that confident in applying thermal pasting especially on these amd cpu. Much appreciated.
You are most welcome
thanks for the tips man, really appreciate it!
You are most welcome
Seems worth it to me for only 8 usd, more "elegant" than the plastic or silicone ones you can shove around the cpu
Completely up to you, bud I hope the video helped
I thought the main idea of the frame was to have a better, anti- bending retention system over the, as you say, the mass produced and therefore
variable quality of the original. The odd degree of lower temp being a bonus?
It is, but as AM5 doesn't suffer from the same problem, Intel does
This really is for looks and from what I've read it's custom loop watercooling you may see a difference
I bought one of these, also the 12th gen ones really need it I believe they did benefit. It's saved for later for a future AM5 build, assuming I can find it with my tools. The red one.
They do help intel but AM5 they do nothing I like the red one
Its worth it just for it not gooping over the side. Nice vid man good tips.
Yep and thank you
@@WELSHYTECH You're welcome buddy subby dubby
The question I have to be honest is a little off topic but who knows I could find the answer here. I am building a SFF using the Formd T1. My question is that I mainly use my pc for Office productivity apps, PDFs, many many many tabs and statistical analysis Apps and some Python and when I have free time I play whatever new AAA game I want so which cpu would serve my needs most between these two in terms of low thermals hence low noise in this ITX build 7800x3d or 7950x3d.
The 7800x3d will do the job no problem
Thermal Grizzly's version doesn't touch the PCB. He was afraid that pressure on the PCB would hurt the circuits inside. Apparently the Thermal Right doesn't hurt the circuits in the PCB though. Thanks for the video!
The thermal grizzly frame fits better than Thermalright I have. Both here and this video is a comparison between the both, and neither hit any circuits on the pcb
No, the contact frame was made to address the uneven contact surface of most CPU cooler heatsinks because of how the AM5 dies are arranged. The contact wasnt fully flat so these contact frames were made to level it out so what when you attach a CPU cooler you get the best contact between the CPU heating up and transferring that to the heatsink to be cooled off.
For Intel, not AMD AMD doesn't suffer the same problems as Intel does, and the contact frame was originally designed just for Intel, not AMD and if it actually helped with a cpu cooler it would of shown that in my thermals but it doesn't do anything except keep thermal paste from seeping over the cpu
Hi! What happens if I use a Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet Wärmeleitpad, will I have problems with an electrical short? Since this product is conductive, the opposite of thermal paste. THANK YOU!
You would have to know the exact size you need first and when you go to place it put a little tab of thermal paste on the edges to stop it from moving once it's installed under a gpu or a cpu cooler it won't move
I got a black one for my Gigabyte itx b650e Aorus ultra running a 7950x3d, and it makes no difference. Idle Temps are 50degC , and about 65degC while playing FarCry6. What does get hot to the touch is the Gen5 SSD heat sink
GEN5 Drives do get hot it's Normal Should have a heat sync on it though
@WELSHYTECH Thanks, mate .. The Gigabyte mother board comes with a built in heatsink and fan with two SSDs Gen4 and Gen5 on top of each other. I wanted to build a 5.7L SFF gaming rig all aluminum chassis with 90mm fans, but if I really want to take advantage of the 7950x3d, I am going to a slightly bigger case that can handle 120mm fans
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@@samm928 I'd honestly go a bit better would help with thermals
Actually, the AM5 CPU are designed to boost to the maximum temperature within AMD limits this means they will hold the highest frequency they are able to do at the maximum temperature in testing with this product I actually locked the CPU to 4 GHz before and after installation where no core boost would be happening and I saw roughly about a 4° drop in maximum temperatures which is not a lot in your testing you were to note the frequencies you would see the frequencies would be slightly higher with this plate installed that is what I have found from my testing
Even thermal grizzly say on the website this frame doesn't do anything for Thermals
@@livinglifeboosted1642 if you adjusted cpu without the frame you would still see temp drops
@@WELSHYTECH run the same test I’m aware of what they say but also they do not say is it also helps to prevent distortion of the socket which can improve contact with the cpu cooler This is why you saw lower idle temperatures
But AM5 Doesn't suffer the same problems as INTEL
Those are not for reducing thermals, they are for keeping even pressure on the cpu in the socket. The stock retention bracket only puts pressure the the sides of the cpu, causing a potential bow in the cpu.
Thats only for Intel AM5 doesn't have the same issue as intel sockets
I wonder if the clock speeds were the same as with stock retention mechanism...
Clock speeds were around the margin of error, but I overclock my cpu
What happens to those small capacitors on the notches/gaps. Does this put any pressure on them?
Nope this Secure frame is for protection and it doesn't seat far enough down to cause any problems
@@WELSHYTECH Great. Thanks for answering.
@@HG-xq7ct no problem at all
it lowered my temps by 8-10c while gaming. I have a 7800x3d undervolted by -30
But you undervolted
@@WELSHYTECH undervolting at -30 does way more thermal headway, this is probably 8-10 more degrees
My results are in line with other users on amazon reviews.@@WELSHYTECH
Now why did you not transfer the insulation sheet from the oem retention unit to the secure frame?
There isn't an insulation sheet on the stock retention
@@WELSHYTECH interesting, there was a plactc sheet on my retention fram on my Asrock x670e RS Pro
@@n6dl321 you mean the socket cover
@@WELSHYTECH no glue'd to the frame bottom between the stock fram and the PCB.. maybe the board coating would be sufficient.
@@n6dl321 You don't remove that for a reason
Uhm gonna say you will never lower max temp on a am5 under max load it's design to boost to a temp and sustain the only difference would be what is the boost value at the temp.
Um you definitely will and I've shown that in the many of reviews and I've used AM5
Actually. There are two variables at play, the tjmax and max volttage / current, so if you reach the max current you will be able to cool it down
can you do the same test, but with intel?
At this moment I don't have a intel platform to test with but that's something I'll be buying this year to test both AMD and Intel
It definitely works with thermals for intel.
Tested it before I was going to AMD. All fine imo it works it better than with AMD-CPU. Dropped my Intel Temps significant.
It does nothing for thermals on this socket. It does prevent the thermal paste from oozing over the sides. You are not going to "bend" a AM5 cpu lol...
I know that
If u use liquid metal thermal paste this frame will help to set cooler perfect I got all core 5.4ghz all time
You should have recorded frequency and watts as well. Maybe your load temps were the same but perhaps you boosted higher and used more power as a result.
Both tests stayed at 180w