My first england run I got burgundy to rival france, and dayum burgundy is OP it clapped french armies before portugeese and austrians even arrived. Tho keeping burgundy happy later was a pain in the ass with how much it wants french land, but with curry favors from day one and pumping it all into trust it is possible to keep them allied long enough to get burgundian incheritance. But it is still mostly up to luck and random events that improve your relations.
What's the use case to make it worth? I assume you either lose English parliament or pay reformprogress to get the reform back? Not sure it's that much worth it to form it a bit earlier. Just curious on that approach :p
@@ZlewikkTV Better ideas earlier, the ccr is really useful to have early (for example i got into india using the british mission tree by around 1470 and it really helped blob as much as possible, it allows you to feed france as much land as you want due to the mission having no city requirement unlike the act of union You only need to lose english parliament for a brief moment to do it, its a pretty niche strat but just a cool thing to do
@@RobbiusBossius got it, thanks for the info. (Since I already recorded whole campaign) I anyway focused on actual expansion mainly after tech 10 so that CCC wouldnt br as crucial before, especially with all subjects in use. The French lands thingy sounds dumb (and even like an exploit) honestly that it's not limited by game in that scenario :p
@@ZlewikkTV Yeah its a niche strat, i mostly just used it when i was going for brentry and master of india, holding the "destiny of england" event to use the british missions to get into india and south africa ultra early was really nice Also you'd think it would be an exploit but the mission the "Angevin Kingdom" has no checks if france has a certain number of cities to block you from just insta clicking inheriting them (and all subjects) with the mission, just seems like a small oversight from the devs
Thanks Zlewikk TV for this showcase. I am astonished at the flavour those nations can get. I only play the tiny Brittany (homeland) and the feeling of struggle is hard ! :') Anyway good to see, good player & good plays.
The strengthen house of lords is kind of a trap you shouldn't take because a lot of england's missions require you to have passed amount of agendas in parliament and that reform increases the time between your ability to choose them.
As a counter balance we got France with only 2 rivals (if you are lucky you can get Aragon, castile and burgundy) + burgundy rivaled us so imo we got much more bad rng here :p
The first thing you can do as england is introduce heir. His causes the war of the roses to trigger faster as it lowers legitimacy. As ther heir needs to be york or lancaster
Tip for war of roses, if you introduce an heir with button it will be a different dynasty and will still fire war of roses. That way you don’t have to worry about getting an heir or altf4 👍
I believe that rivaling Burgundy back at the beginning was a slight misplay. If you manage to get France as a PU, then you outscale them out of the rivalry and you can ally them very easily afterwards.
England-Angevin is fun country for me, since i love subjects and you bassicly get "free" Irleand/spain/italy and so on as PU (Well, you need to conquer them and then "create" PU which does not take diplo slot since you get +1 till they exist)
Hey Zlewikk! Banger video once again. I watched Playmaker’s Georgia campaign before your video. I wonder if you can fix it, i know if someone can, that’s you.
Juicy position poised to dominate Europe. I thought Finnmark was going to be in the Norway peace deal to start fighting Muscovy since you just said you want more expansion paths. Very fun campaign to watch
Watching you core Ireland, and I am yelling at my monitor like I am watching a soccer match where my team scores an own goal. Always take the PU. All around its is better. It gives you a permanent extra diplo slot, it gives you the third throne for the age points, it avoids coring cost, it avoids playing whack-a-mole with Irish rebels. All around its so much better.
@alatamore I 100% disagree, PU gives you shitty bonus, you cant divert trade from it, it doesnt give you FL, the age ovjective is not as relevant at this point and you have perma claims to core it much cheaper. Imo it's much better to state, together with the local bonuses you grab. I can yell back it's a missplay to PU Ireland, simple as that :)
by chance do you have any advise for playing as Italy starting as Florence?. i tend to almost never become pope do to bad rng yet the reformation hardly ever gets strong enough to warrant going protestant. i make the effort to become Sardinia piedmont and two sicilies for there modifiers and free mission rewards before forming Italy (though first try to get the free diplomat Florence can get). i don't save scum unless something odd is going on with a war (had stuff like the pope being allied to Spain but the pope refused to help Spain just because i called in an ally, yet the game didn't say the pope wouldn't join if i called in an ally), aside from that i only need advise on privileges to take if i plan to go protestant (as an example. the one that gives papal influence when you build churches will help because you get to get more use out of Catholicism while you are catholic and remove themself when you flip protestant, and why i favor protestant as Italy rather than reformed is because most Italian missions that involve religion are the least difficult while protestant)
Just a theory question for those more knowledgable on the source code of the game: let's say Cologne is the only elector I didn't ally, and I have Austrian emperor's capital sieged down. Now, say my ally Palatinate happened to be in a separate war vs Cologne, and managed to occupy their capital. Do I get to dismantle the HRE or not? Do I have to occupy the province myself, or do I at least have to be at war with Cologne?
@@minamagdy4126 I'm 90% sure on my answer, but I think tge capitals of electors can be sieged in any war. Emperor capital has to be occupied by your nation directly
I actually played an Angevin campaign and messed this up, I forgot to ally Trier before declaring and realised I couldn't dismantle. Lucky for me Liege declared on them when they saw that Austria wouldn't protect them :P
If you sell Maine on day 1 (to not France, i.e. Brittany), you get to click the mission "The Hundred Years' War". Selecting the Angevin path gives you a Union CB on France. So you can choose when to do it, instead of waiting for the Surrender of Maine to proc.
@ZlewikkTV You do lose your core on a nice province, but it's pretty painless to just reconquest it in the right of France afterwards. You're going to be fighting Brittany anyway to follow the missions. I prefer being able to control the war Dec. And in your case the war starting 4 years later, is just 4 extra years of the AE not ticking down yet. Doing it this way you can also catch France without any allies (they usually dump Provonce within a few months and take a while to pick anyone else up because they have so many subjects taking up slots already). Obviously you can win the war with French allies, but might as well make it easier.
@@DylanSargesson well, AE taken for that one province will most likely be higher than you'd potentially save waiting for the event, especially that you need to go through disaster for ae impact first anyway and that's no earlier that 1448/9. And since have to deal with the disaster first before peacing out to get AE impact it's not like you have to declare in Dec 1444
Anyway, the 'efficiency' difference on various scenarios is so abysmal for the matter of whole opening moves I'd say we both already spent too much time going into it xD
@ZlewikkTV From my experience, if you do declare in early '45 (either through the event or the sell Maine strat), you can have France basically beaten before the Disaster fires, especially if they have no allies. Then you clear the disaster and peace out straight away. But that's what I think the beauty of selling Maine is. If you want to clear the disaster before you declare, you can choose to do that, the CB lasts 30 years. If you rely on the event it could happen whenever.
You could have cancelled burgundy's rivalry on you in that coalition war right? I think i have seen others use that strat to get around the rivalry to get the inheritance, but maybe not in the current patch?
Yes, that would work, but you cannot separate peace a coalition member. I just planned to outscale them as it was super close, but it didnt work on time :p
Oh maybe you mean even other game. I mean speed5 game vs Vennomite where we had to subkogate France and Scotland. I ended up 2nd there You probably mean Parabellum game vs Quarbit then! Completely forgot about that one. Honestly since there was no prep time I dont even count this one :p
A lot of newly updated countries have insane amount of stuff to stack for mp. Most of mp mods try nerfing these. Even more insane than england is vanilla Aztecs from what I experienced :p
@@ZlewikkTV I think it depends tbh, if you have player colonies i think england is the overall strongest mp country by far but if not its probably zoro persia or qing/yuan/ming I think aztecs are up there with the strongest, but they can be rushed by certain nations (e.g iirc norway can rush aztec within 15-25 years of gamestart due to missions
@RobbiusBossius you havent seen Aztecs with their siberian frontier and old world colonies then :p First mp where we played after the last patch with vanilla Aztecs, they ended up having colonies in Indonesia, Japan and Africa. And all that with mid-campaign nerf on some stuff, including siberian frontier :p And the player did beat Castile that tried rushing him down. Norway is not playable and all big European colonisers usually have stuff to deal with in Europe early on when you play with 70 players so this gives a chance for natives. Also, there are often players that sell reform to natives to weaken their european opponents
@@ZlewikkTV Oh no for sure, if aztec gets off the ground they can 100% be the strongest country in the lobby (apart from tbh persia but we banned that tag from being formed even in the vanilla game we did) In the MP game the server i play in did when the first patch came out, aztecs died within 30 years to norway (exodus slot in our server usually)
Great video i likes a lot this series but some time i Hope to became hre emperor and not dismatle i know it's not the same for the ae but i personaly likes more and nobody do that🥺
Can't be creating content fulltime without being a sellout. You can try being moral with which sponsorship you take, but in the end, there are only lesser evils, and it might not be obvious which one is which. This is the sad reality we live in.
Angevin, strongest formable, but probably one of the most hard processes to do to form it. I think your strategy works for veteran players. But for new players, just sell Maine to Provence to buy yourself time. Still, very underrated and underused formable in the EU community, it gets crazy powerful.
French war is really extremely easy, newer players if afraid of fighting 1v1 can just look for strong enemies of France, they will help. Imo any player knowing basics can handle the French war on current patch.
@@ZlewikkTV oh I agree with the easy war part, I use both this strat and sell strat given how I am feeling. The war can be daunting for many players who have not practiced enough
If You release Ireland as PU after gettig 7 admin tech, it would pop up with colonial ideas and would colonize for You some stuff before You would eventually interherit it for free after some time 😅
@@RobbiusBossius its about the opening. if there are 2 players england vs france england has no chance. not beeing an endgame tag doesnt mean much if your plan is to form britain or angevin cause they have only a few different missions. if you play england to form france sure but thats not the topic. also french ideas and missions are way more powerful then the english
@@creeper2740 i assume your talking about mp here? if you fight france as england that's kinda just asking for you to die, which is why most englands give up the land also what? french ideas are only "stronger" on land based combat, french missions are nowhere near as strong as england England is in the top 5 strongest MP countries
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Can't believe Zlewikk savescummed to get France to ally Castille.
Damn
Wow i thought he was a pro
Wow.
Wow.
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please continue this series! i liked the video, barely anyones goes for the Angevin formable so im keen to see whats in store
My first england run I got burgundy to rival france, and dayum burgundy is OP it clapped french armies before portugeese and austrians even arrived.
Tho keeping burgundy happy later was a pain in the ass with how much it wants french land, but with curry favors from day one and pumping it all into trust it is possible to keep them allied long enough to get burgundian incheritance.
But it is still mostly up to luck and random events that improve your relations.
also fun fact, if you can switch out of the english monarchy goverment reform, you can form angevin with a mission pre tech 10
What's the use case to make it worth?
I assume you either lose English parliament or pay reformprogress to get the reform back? Not sure it's that much worth it to form it a bit earlier.
Just curious on that approach :p
@@ZlewikkTV Better ideas earlier, the ccr is really useful to have early (for example i got into india using the british mission tree by around 1470 and it really helped blob as much as possible, it allows you to feed france as much land as you want due to the mission having no city requirement unlike the act of union
You only need to lose english parliament for a brief moment to do it, its a pretty niche strat but just a cool thing to do
@@RobbiusBossius got it, thanks for the info.
(Since I already recorded whole campaign) I anyway focused on actual expansion mainly after tech 10 so that CCC wouldnt br as crucial before, especially with all subjects in use.
The French lands thingy sounds dumb (and even like an exploit) honestly that it's not limited by game in that scenario :p
@@ZlewikkTV Yeah its a niche strat, i mostly just used it when i was going for brentry and master of india, holding the "destiny of england" event to use the british missions to get into india and south africa ultra early was really nice
Also you'd think it would be an exploit but the mission the "Angevin Kingdom" has no checks if france has a certain number of cities to block you from just insta clicking inheriting them (and all subjects) with the mission, just seems like a small oversight from the devs
Yeah, I 100% agree, 'exploit' is a very vague word, but definitely not the expected experience by the devs :p
Thanks Zlewikk TV for this showcase.
I am astonished at the flavour those nations can get.
I only play the tiny Brittany (homeland) and the feeling of struggle is hard ! :')
Anyway good to see, good player & good plays.
The strengthen house of lords is kind of a trap you shouldn't take because a lot of england's missions require you to have passed amount of agendas in parliament and that reform increases the time between your ability to choose them.
Keep watching, we changed it quickly :)
Damn, you got the crownland debate every time, that's crazy.
On my tests in 1444 it was 33%, but even if you dont get it immediately, you will get it sooner than later by letting it shuffle over month tick
As a counter balance we got France with only 2 rivals (if you are lucky you can get Aragon, castile and burgundy) + burgundy rivaled us so imo we got much more bad rng here :p
I've found it hard to find myself honestly. It used to be super common but in my recent runs I am restarting 10-20 times before getting it.
Perfect timing. I never played England before, but this is going to be my next campaign.
Good luck! Just one note: if you want to get the Brentry achievement - dont dismantle the HRE, become emperor instead
I need to see more of this run, Angevin Empire is just such a fun nation to play
The first thing you can do as england is introduce heir. His causes the war of the roses to trigger faster as it lowers legitimacy. As ther heir needs to be york or lancaster
Tip for war of roses, if you introduce an heir with button it will be a different dynasty and will still fire war of roses. That way you don’t have to worry about getting an heir or altf4 👍
I believe that rivaling Burgundy back at the beginning was a slight misplay. If you manage to get France as a PU, then you outscale them out of the rivalry and you can ally them very easily afterwards.
@@lolmaster438 that was the plan and that would still work even if you rival them, it also gives you pp
Please do a guide for fast completion of "One nation to rule them all" achievement
If you aim to get Angevin achievement, you need to re-take the campaign. To achieve that, you cannot dismantle HRE.
@@wisienaa I know, I already done this campaign :)
On a side note, it's a silly requirement as it's much better to dismantle the HRE as Angevin vs being an Emperor
Fun start to a long achievement series
I just watched ads for giving you good reputation by advisor givers. I know youtube catch us when we fast forward 😂
England-Angevin is fun country for me, since i love subjects and you bassicly get "free" Irleand/spain/italy and so on as PU (Well, you need to conquer them and then "create" PU which does not take diplo slot since you get +1 till they exist)
Hey Zlewikk! Banger video once again. I watched Playmaker’s Georgia campaign before your video. I wonder if you can fix it, i know if someone can, that’s you.
Juicy position poised to dominate Europe. I thought Finnmark was going to be in the Norway peace deal to start fighting Muscovy since you just said you want more expansion paths. Very fun campaign to watch
Not planning to go to Eastern Europe at all, just Western! :)
could you do a archivment guide for no trail of tears?
Woo. Rightful Emperor of western europe
Thnx for great 50 mins, will have a good time
Watching you core Ireland, and I am yelling at my monitor like I am watching a soccer match where my team scores an own goal. Always take the PU. All around its is better. It gives you a permanent extra diplo slot, it gives you the third throne for the age points, it avoids coring cost, it avoids playing whack-a-mole with Irish rebels. All around its so much better.
@alatamore I 100% disagree, PU gives you shitty bonus, you cant divert trade from it, it doesnt give you FL, the age ovjective is not as relevant at this point and you have perma claims to core it much cheaper.
Imo it's much better to state, together with the local bonuses you grab.
I can yell back it's a missplay to PU Ireland, simple as that :)
@@ZlewikkTV I would not argue with you on matters of EU4, as you are a genius at this game and this run is no exception.
Excellent stuff.
Love Angevin gameplay
by chance do you have any advise for playing as Italy starting as Florence?. i tend to almost never become pope do to bad rng yet the reformation hardly ever gets strong enough to warrant going protestant. i make the effort to become Sardinia piedmont and two sicilies for there modifiers and free mission rewards before forming Italy (though first try to get the free diplomat Florence can get). i don't save scum unless something odd is going on with a war (had stuff like the pope being allied to Spain but the pope refused to help Spain just because i called in an ally, yet the game didn't say the pope wouldn't join if i called in an ally), aside from that i only need advise on privileges to take if i plan to go protestant (as an example. the one that gives papal influence when you build churches will help because you get to get more use out of Catholicism while you are catholic and remove themself when you flip protestant, and why i favor protestant as Italy rather than reformed is because most Italian missions that involve religion are the least difficult while protestant)
Just a theory question for those more knowledgable on the source code of the game: let's say Cologne is the only elector I didn't ally, and I have Austrian emperor's capital sieged down. Now, say my ally Palatinate happened to be in a separate war vs Cologne, and managed to occupy their capital. Do I get to dismantle the HRE or not? Do I have to occupy the province myself, or do I at least have to be at war with Cologne?
@@minamagdy4126 I'm 90% sure on my answer, but I think tge capitals of electors can be sieged in any war. Emperor capital has to be occupied by your nation directly
I actually played an Angevin campaign and messed this up, I forgot to ally Trier before declaring and realised I couldn't dismantle.
Lucky for me Liege declared on them when they saw that Austria wouldn't protect them :P
If you sell Maine on day 1 (to not France, i.e. Brittany), you get to click the mission "The Hundred Years' War".
Selecting the Angevin path gives you a Union CB on France. So you can choose when to do it, instead of waiting for the Surrender of Maine to proc.
Yeah, this is right and it's a viable option,, but you lose ~20 dev along the way, so I prefer the event path :)
@ZlewikkTV You do lose your core on a nice province, but it's pretty painless to just reconquest it in the right of France afterwards. You're going to be fighting Brittany anyway to follow the missions.
I prefer being able to control the war Dec. And in your case the war starting 4 years later, is just 4 extra years of the AE not ticking down yet.
Doing it this way you can also catch France without any allies (they usually dump Provonce within a few months and take a while to pick anyone else up because they have so many subjects taking up slots already). Obviously you can win the war with French allies, but might as well make it easier.
@@DylanSargesson well, AE taken for that one province will most likely be higher than you'd potentially save waiting for the event, especially that you need to go through disaster for ae impact first anyway and that's no earlier that 1448/9.
And since have to deal with the disaster first before peacing out to get AE impact it's not like you have to declare in Dec 1444
Anyway, the 'efficiency' difference on various scenarios is so abysmal for the matter of whole opening moves I'd say we both already spent too much time going into it xD
@ZlewikkTV From my experience, if you do declare in early '45 (either through the event or the sell Maine strat), you can have France basically beaten before the Disaster fires, especially if they have no allies. Then you clear the disaster and peace out straight away.
But that's what I think the beauty of selling Maine is. If you want to clear the disaster before you declare, you can choose to do that, the CB lasts 30 years. If you rely on the event it could happen whenever.
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@@KS_Amt38 :v
You could have cancelled burgundy's rivalry on you in that coalition war right? I think i have seen others use that strat to get around the rivalry to get the inheritance, but maybe not in the current patch?
Yes, that would work, but you cannot separate peace a coalition member.
I just planned to outscale them as it was super close, but it didnt work on time :p
@@ZlewikkTV That explains it, good to know
Pillaging that capital didn’t give you any dev btw😄
that pillage capital was useless... except that , good job!
:v
"6 min ago" --> nice timing
Where have you been a week ago?😢
I'm already 150 yrs into my own Angevin playthrough
I've been doing that run for the past week, done in 1570 in mine :p
You played England in Para Bellum though, not quite years ago
That was almost exactly 2 years ago. And that was before the patch changing it :)
@@ZlewikkTV Was it that long already? In my mind that was maybe half a year
Oh maybe you mean even other game.
I mean speed5 game vs Vennomite where we had to subkogate France and Scotland. I ended up 2nd there
You probably mean Parabellum game vs Quarbit then! Completely forgot about that one. Honestly since there was no prep time I dont even count this one :p
@@ZlewikkTV That is the one I meant. It's fair you don't count that one, but you statement is still technically incorrect
If you want to go so technical I also had a Burgundy into Loth into eng/GB mp game recently :p still doesnt count imo
Amazing !
insane how strong england is, new mission tree made them the strongest mp country imo outside of maybe persia
A lot of newly updated countries have insane amount of stuff to stack for mp. Most of mp mods try nerfing these.
Even more insane than england is vanilla Aztecs from what I experienced :p
@@ZlewikkTV I think it depends tbh, if you have player colonies i think england is the overall strongest mp country by far but if not its probably zoro persia or qing/yuan/ming
I think aztecs are up there with the strongest, but they can be rushed by certain nations (e.g iirc norway can rush aztec within 15-25 years of gamestart due to missions
@RobbiusBossius you havent seen Aztecs with their siberian frontier and old world colonies then :p
First mp where we played after the last patch with vanilla Aztecs, they ended up having colonies in Indonesia, Japan and Africa. And all that with mid-campaign nerf on some stuff, including siberian frontier :p
And the player did beat Castile that tried rushing him down. Norway is not playable and all big European colonisers usually have stuff to deal with in Europe early on when you play with 70 players so this gives a chance for natives. Also, there are often players that sell reform to natives to weaken their european opponents
@@ZlewikkTV Oh no for sure, if aztec gets off the ground they can 100% be the strongest country in the lobby (apart from tbh persia but we banned that tag from being formed even in the vanilla game we did)
In the MP game the server i play in did when the first patch came out, aztecs died within 30 years to norway (exodus slot in our server usually)
Great video i likes a lot this series but some time i Hope to became hre emperor and not dismatle i know it's not the same for the ae but i personaly likes more and nobody do that🥺
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Can't be creating content fulltime without being a sellout. You can try being moral with which sponsorship you take, but in the end, there are only lesser evils, and it might not be obvious which one is which. This is the sad reality we live in.
Angevin, strongest formable, but probably one of the most hard processes to do to form it. I think your strategy works for veteran players. But for new players, just sell Maine to Provence to buy yourself time. Still, very underrated and underused formable in the EU community, it gets crazy powerful.
French war is really extremely easy, newer players if afraid of fighting 1v1 can just look for strong enemies of France, they will help. Imo any player knowing basics can handle the French war on current patch.
@@ZlewikkTV oh I agree with the easy war part, I use both this strat and sell strat given how I am feeling. The war can be daunting for many players who have not practiced enough
why you just dont become hre emperor and revoke privilegia you can pass the Proclaim Erbkaisertum reform before anglicanism
Because I chose conquest path as I dont need 2137th HRE run? ;)
If You release Ireland as PU after gettig 7 admin tech, it would pop up with colonial ideas and would colonize for You some stuff before You would eventually interherit it for free after some time 😅
Which is not sth we need for this campaign :p
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i don't like engoland
The feeling is probably mutual
i think england is weak compared to france or castile
weak in what sense? england is stronger than france bc its not an endtag
@@RobbiusBossius its about the opening. if there are 2 players england vs france england has no chance. not beeing an endgame tag doesnt mean much if your plan is to form britain or angevin cause they have only a few different missions. if you play england to form france sure but thats not the topic. also french ideas and missions are way more powerful then the english
@@creeper2740 i assume your talking about mp here? if you fight france as england that's kinda just asking for you to die, which is why most englands give up the land
also what? french ideas are only "stronger" on land based combat, french missions are nowhere near as strong as england
England is in the top 5 strongest MP countries
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