I love how Arron’s like, “the dredge was wholesome and nice, and he was never mean, the dredge was a nice guy” and all I can think about is dredges lore and how it is the embodiment of evil
Well its a bit tricky, usually they are like "i think im a nice person", saying they are nice and all humblely and don't over exaggerate what they are or go around and telling it as many people as possible, basically like me, i get called "the nicest person you ever meet" by nearly everyone, but i just concider myself as a guy who wants to do the right thing
I don't agree. I pride myself on being a wholesome and kind. In dead by daylight for reference; every game I stay to say GG to the killer, I will own up to my mistakes, I'll compliments my teammates and the killers gameplay. I don't allow any of the anger from games or my own loss affect othe players. It's not wrong to say you are something if that is something you genuinely try to do 😊
"If I ever stray off my path I hope you guys would bring me back onto it" I gotchu homie. You used to be this super angry Bubba hitting chainsaws on walls in Midwich and screaming about it but have since changed... BRING OUR AARON BACK I miss the old days of toxic Aaron, HOW DARE he become this wholesome streamer who spends his days telling people to treat others with respect and promoting positivity in the community. (I'm sure you recognized the sarcasm. Love you Aaron and what you do for us
I think this is almost worse. He creates a toxic space where someone who would follow for a long time and give feedback gets kicked from the group. Think of the hurt after supporting for a while and being treated that way.
I’ve been following this streamer for a long time - and the people who said they were followers “calling him out” weren’t even followers… they never showed up until his community post popped off.
@@AaronDukeYT When you said this at the end of the video, my CPTSD kicked in and I envisaged this whole scenario of him gaslighting his chat if they said one thing about his attitude... basically the whole they are so nice and if you said something that they did NO ONE believes you and get called the most horrible person on earth (had this happen to many times). You're kicked out, but you're walking away anyway because you fear for your life and expect the backlash for months ahead. That's what this 'wholesome' streamer does for me. BUT remember it's CPTSD and I don't know if I'm right or I'm in fight or flight mode. Crap.. edit. I said thanks Aaron at the end like I was pointing at you LOL I wasn't. I was thank you for making a great video and don't worry I'm okay and I'm not mad at you
I find it interesting cause Survivors always have two things to say to Killers. 1) Don't tunnel 2) Don't be surprised when you lose cause you overcommit to one chase. You need to leave chase and pressure Gens. But it's funny cause sometimes those two conflict. If I'm over here not chasing one or maybe even two Survivors cause either they are really good, got real lucky tile generation, or maybe even both, then I'm gonna commit more to the other two. Oh. But now I'm tunneling. So basically it becomes "If you can't get a quick down on the best Looper on the team, regardless of tile and Pallet RNG, you deserve to lose. Cause you deserve to lose for overcommiting to a chase. But also Tunnelers don't deserve to win." Like. Bruh no. I gotta take my victories when I can. And sometimes that means ignoring the "good" looper who holds forward to Garden of Joy Main Building every time they get hit and going after the one who's clearly a bit more lost instead.
And that's not factoring in that cognitive dissonance people have around being tunnelled in the first place. You could be chasing everyone equally, but if you kill someone they say you're tunnelling despite the fact that you let them off hook to chase other survivors, or once downed changed targets.
You’ll get better though as a killer if you’re not just going for the weak links, but I get wanting to ensure the win and go for the other later - however as utility on the map expires if the weaker loopers use them - the better loopers won’t be able to allow you to get better at looping as killer.
@@memeseeku3618 Yeah but sometimes I'm not always trying to get better. Maybe I'm just trying to get the last Pip I need to rank up in Iridescent. Maybe I'm trying to get a tome challenge done. Maybe I'm playing a Killer I'm not too good with and the weaker links are challenge enough for me while I am learning that Killer's basics. And as I said. Sometimes it isn't ALWAYS that the Survivor is super good. They could just get real lucky with tile generation. I saw a buddy playing Killer on Twitch get the nastiest setup of interconnecting Jungle Gyms and that I had ever seen on Suffocation Pit. Like it didn't take an amazing looper to waste plenty of time in that area. And making smart tactical decisions is part of being a good killer too. Like yes...why would I chase the Healthy Survivor to a strong tile set up in a no-pressure zone when I can chase "Still injured from being unhooked 3 minutes ago" who decides to run to one unsafe pallet in the otherwise wide open. Sometimes Survivors make crappy decisions that also get them and their teammates killed and it shouldn't always be up to the Killer to excuse every single one to be "uwu fun and nice and fair" like no. Hold that L.
@@memeseeku3618 You can be an amazing killer going against an amazing looper and the better choice would be going for a weaker looper. The map and tiles are very dependent on who you go for and THATS what makes you a good killer, knowing when to drop chase, knowing who to go for, and knowing which tiles will benefit you.
Exactly. Plus if the good looper who likes being chased SEES you ignoring them for the weak link they will sometimes go out of their way into less favorable positioning to interfere potentially allowing you to get them. It's called strategy
This TTV wanted smoke with the Dredge, but wasn't getting it, so tried to poke the bear, hoping it was a grizzly... but got a cuddly black bear instead. That Dredge player must be watching real wholesome DBD content creators like Aaron and Spook. He diffused the toxicity quickly and kept doing that until the TTV gave up. Guys like you and Spook are why I have some hope for the DBD community. You actually promote wholesomeness and positivity, and use videos like this one to warn others of the horrible TTVs. Keep doing what you're doing, brother.☺️👍
Dredge pledge baby! As a dredge main I try my best to make the game as fun as I can while still trying to play like a good killer. Like if someone's being a goofy goober I'll play along for a bit. Edit: I responded to a year old comment I'm so sorry.
One time I was playing on Haddonfield against a trickster. I had boil over equipped and managed to find myself in a position that I was In the house of Pain. So naturally I made use of this and tried to make it as difficult as possible for the trictor to get me out of the basement and on to a hook. There was only like one other survivor left so I was at least just trying to distract the trickster while they did stuff. After a couple minutes of trying the trickster was eventually able to get me onto a hook and gave me just a little bit of a love tap on the hook for my trouble. In the post game chat he was really civil and actually apologized, saying "Sorry for hitting you on the hook, but it was just so frustrating getting you out of that basement." To which I replied with "It's all good. I kinda earned it." It was all very Civil. He technically BM'd me And I was using an incredibly cheesy tactic, But we both acknowledged to each other that we weren't doing it to try and be assholes.
"Hugs coated with sugar often hold knives laced with salt", as a friend once randomly said after a game of HotS. Burn out and exhaustion can just ruin you, and you slip on those values till you stop holding them because it's easy. It's REALLY hard to be a wholesome streamer all the time. You want to vent sometimes. Kinda makes me feel sad for them in a way .
100% I remember streaming a game (I want to say Need For Speed Underground) and this is like my 100th stream while encountering bots and I went on a massive rant about it and it completely killed the vibe of a chilled stream with kick-ass music with kick-ass cars to the point that I said I was gonna take a 2 week break to calm down so I don't have another rant that could of been worse then the first, venting is good but sometimes you can bottle up something until something makes you snap and vent out everything in a situation where it was inappropriate thats why I always do a week break when I stream (so one week I stream, the next I don't and repeat) so I can unwind and not bottle shit up and have it burst out during stream Breaks are always good, no matter the situation, if you feel like you're getting annoyed or angry easily and can't calm down, take a break from what you're doing, one of the many things I've learnt from being a streamer, eventhough I learnt it the hard way, it's still a lesson
I was going to comment and say something similar but you said it better. Nicely put. Sounds like dude might not being having a bad day but going trough a bad patch in life. Just feeling more negative. He didn't do anything shitty really just being grumpy af
As a killer I think it’s funny getting called a “tunneler” when the person I’m “tunneling” all but throws themselves into the line of fire like I’m not gonna go for the guy closer to being out of the game
You won't :3 To me, being toxic is either a choice just to be jerks or they're like that in some way out of the game. It's just about knowing when to take a break. I myself have a bad and childish temper and when I feel it coming on when I play, I step away and cool off before returning.
Streaming isn't suddenly gonna make you toxic, these people would be toxic streamer or not. It's just that these guys get lots of attention due to drama, so it seems like every TTV that isn't big is toxic as hell when that isn't the case at all
Streaming won't make you toxic, being toxic will make you toxic. There's a difference between getting annoyed and moving on and being well, an asshole like this guy who takes a game to heart and brings it out of the game.
I'd say go for it. But at the same time if you catch yourself saying things like this stop, take a break and evaluate why you feel that way or said those things. Recognise that and try to change how you react It wont make you feel any better, but it might help you stop saying something you'll regret down the line.
There's a difference between being angry/cranky (bad day, bad match, etc. emotions in general) and being toxic. The difference is the time you hold onto it. Being toxic is something that you feed and it gets worse if you don't change your mindset. Getting angry about a game is normal, but you need to know that's the signal to take a break to reset your mood and to avoid getting tilted and toxic. It's not worth getting all clingy in endgame chat bc the killer tunneled you or did something you didn't like, the more you spend there the more you feed the nasty feeling and that feeling starts snowballing making everything toxic.
I have a really hard time with things like this. I have friends who are streamers who have a hard time seeing things from the killers POV, and go "They are tunneling!" at 2 to 1 gens left, and I have to go "They are trying to get pressure, we have them down to 2 gens." This happens on repeat whenever I'm playing with someone who mainly plays survivor. I will claim tunneling sometimes, but I don't tunneling in a mean way, I normally go "THEY WANT MEH DEAD!" Normally in my best attempt at a silly voice. This is a repeat sort of thing that happens a lot when I play with others. I rather dislike it, but at the same time I can see where they are coming from, they want to escape, to get out. To say that they won. To their credit they won't carry it past the game for long. HOWEVER, in the video in question, that Dredge did EXACTLY what the TTV wanted, they chased them, and the TTV wanted to push it, to make the killer feel bad for something the TTV wanted in the first place. Honestly, at this part I couldn't care, he could have been getting his frustrations out via end game chat. Something a lot of people do. But he attacked his viewers, commenters, and people who couldn't watch the live stream due to time constraints or general lack of interest in twitch, just because they wanted to defend the Dredge and try to get him to see the Dredges POV. They weren't there during the Livestream, SURE! OF COURSE! But they watched the video. They watched what you did, they watched what the Dredge did. They may have a point that your just trying to ignore and justify yourself. On to the rest? Well, all I can say is Toxic Survivor Main, cause that is legit all I can say. He embodies the title of entitled toxic survivor main.
Had this issue with a Streamer I played both against as Killer and then with when I said hi. Thought they were chill but I guess vs anyone who wasn't me they always cried Tunnelling even when...it wasn't tunneling. Example. Streamer gets Hooked. Saved. Decides Gen before healing with another Survivor. Another Survivor gets chased, downed, and hooked. Killer checks that Gen. Streamer cries Tunneling when the Killer goes after them and not the healthy Survivor they were next to. I'm like "You had time to heal..." But they weren't having it. They were "tunnelled" cause they never recovered from the state they were left in after getting off the hook. I think Survivors need to realize a lot of times Killers just make decisions off of "Who is the easier down cause an easier down becomes a easier hookstate which becomes pressure." I never consider hookstates. I operate on "If it's in front of me it's getting hit" and "Well if I hit you take that speedboost to a strong tile that still has its pallet in a no-pressure zone but if I hit THAT person who never bothered to heal in the 3 minutes I left them alone, I get a down." I'm sorry sometimes that does lead to unfun experiences but I'm not gonna throw games to be nice. Like you never see Survivors stop cranking Gens when they're winning by a landslide. DBD community places so much pressure on the Killer to babysit every person's experience.
I think it's that they dont play killer or try to see it from their perspective. I dont play killer either but at least I recognise the killers perspective, if everyone is alive no one on death hook and we have 2 gens left the killer is going to be more ruthless because they at least want a 1k. Tunnelling is just playing efficiently. Like it or not it's the most optimal way to win a match. With 1 less survivor out early game [say 1 gen popped] only 2 can do gens, and 1 has to distract me. So they're not just down 1 person, they're down 2 because another person has to be the distraction. If the 2nd person cant loop me, they go down and only 1 person can be on gens at any given time.
i agree with you. Entitled toxic survivor main. I know that I complain about tunneling A LOT... but sometimes it's because 2 or 1 gen left, and when I look down and see that I say 'well i don't blame them' and then of course try my best to out loop. If I end up dead, I may complain a little... but as I watch the end of the game and see my swf doing really good things, at end game chat I may say gg or just move on. If not in a swf... I just move on. And I am NOT wholesome lol
I dont know why it's so hard to just take a break when someone is mad... they have a lot of options to do instead, like.. take a walk, play something else, or play with friends
I take the 'wholesome' tag the same as the 'nice' tag. It's something you get called not something you proclaim for yourself. If you're genuinely wholesome or nice other people will call you wholesome or nice because they genuinely like being around you and your company. If you have to tell other people you're wholesome or nice, you're probably not. Like who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
Had a match the other night in my charity stream as a memorial to my late dad, where in chat before the match, I told the other survivors "Good luck and have fun" to which one of them responded that I should go jump off a bridge. I just chuckled and thought "I can be toxic to you and have the killer take you out in short order, or be kind and help you because it will help the team." So I kept saving their arse because the killer (Spirit) kept downing them and I even rescued them off hook twice, pausing my gen work each time to do that.
This is the first time I've recognized a content creator. I feel like they used to be way more wholesome and it's sad that I haven't enjoyed their content as much recently.
This is the first video of yours in which I recognise the streamer you are talking about. what you said at the end about his fans claiming he has changed his attitude while playing the game is entirely true and it's a shame as he is a great player who does not need to complain about a killer chasing him throughout the game. I can't tell if he changed his attitude because of his community or his outlook on the game, but well done for making this video because the points you made were 100% correct and I hope the streamer this video is about will see this video
Spooknjukes seems like he's got a big ego sometimes tbh, his attitude seems like "dbd is my livelihood but I don't care, so if you care you're a loser"
Demi curses alot and that does not mean he isn’t wholesome… some people need to understand that. He doesn’t go and text people on the game chat and say stuff like this “wholesome streamer” spooksnjukes also doesn’t do that so yea he is also wholesome. He’s not toxic, he does have his own play style and that does not make him toxic.
There have been several times where I know I am losing the match and so I will focus in primarily on one of the better players so that I can maximize the experience of and learn from going against someone better than me. I like the challenge and if I've already lost then it's a great learning opportunity. That Dredge was lovely indeed.
As someone who comments on things very rarely. I really do appreciate you for saying it, I did comment on his video. And of course wasn't met with good feedback. Thank you for making this video. It bothers me a lot, as a survivor main that this still happens. I am not someone who loops, I don't use Dead Hard, I don't have special perks. I just focus on the game. I want to be able to play the game without any hassle. I click at my friends if I find a flashlight maybe for fun, never for the killer. Just for jokes. It's a GAME.
Exactly. My brother is decently cracked at killer. Every game regardless of how he does he leaves a "ggwp" and insta leaves. Easier then dealing with even the possibility of salt
@@jamesmills5326 respect to your brother for staying positive in this community. I’m on Xbox and play both killer and survivor,I don’t have endgame chat, but if I did I would always say “gg”, something nice wether I died or survived, or wether I got 4 kills or 0 kills. Just be positive basically lol
Had a group of survivors once trying to claim I was hacking because I got very lucky teleporting with Dredge once, they were adamant I was hacking so I ended up uploading my game
Bet they never played killer before to make such accusations 💀I don’t get why people who only play one side jump to conclusions like that when they lose. Survivor or killer.
@@LaLaLainey They might not play killer, they very well might. This was when Dredge had just been added to the game so at the very least, they probably weren't very knowledgable on Dredge's powers and they certainly didn't know my thought process as to why I teleported to the lockers that I did.
"If I ever stray off my path I hope you guys would bring me back onto it" That's what I ask my friends to do for me. I'm forever grateful to my best friend who called me out on my actions and opinions that were hurtful and/or unproductive.
Thank You soo much for making this video, I was one of the people who gave criticism to him in the comments and I got a bit of hate from it but honestly it's great to see a bigger creator talking about this and you're one of my favourite comfort RUclipsrs to watch and I hope you reach 100k one day!
im a survivor main but, i get sometimes tunnels and camps happen especially "proxy camping or accused of it" survivors will unhook literally seconds after someone is hooked and then be like WHY YOU CAMP!
After watching this video to the end I can only say three words I'm so shocked I know who this person is but don't worry I will not tell anyone who he is I generally thought that he's a wholesome lovely content creator but that was a facade I was a fan of his for 6 months and seen him promoting bullying and entitlement is just not okay and I'm not going to support him anymore thank you for making this video showing light of his true toxic self
Everyone puts up a Persona to keep their image pure and clean You can never tell who someone is by how they act, especially a content creator It's rare to see people actually act how they would outside of public eyes mainly because they don't think it would draw people in or because they are a scummy and toxic person outside of prying eyes
@@Smokie_HellFire With you beeing that adamant about messaging him, you 100% will send him hate. Normal people would move on. You however cant let it rest. So its good you arent getting the name.
@@Smokie_HellFire With you beeing that adamant about messaging him, you 100% will send him hate. Normal people would move on. You however cant let it rest. So its good you arent getting the name.
I know this person not watched his videos in a long while... I like how the guy says "you weren't in my stream lol" but there is the video proof of him being toxic in end game chat. Thank you for sharing this video these kind of people should be called out for there behaviour.
This is how you know these people are toxic. Because even though he is acknowledging what maybe made him seem "toxic" HE DIDNT APOLOGISE TO THE DREDGE OR OWN UP TO HIS MISTAKES. He brushes them off and goes "No not me, not my fault." What would make him actually wholesome would be him - EVEN IF HE UPLOADED THE VIDEO BUT CUT THE END GAME CHAT OUT - going "I was really mean to this killer for no reason and if you see this, I apologise." But there's never any actual owning up to their mistakes and willingness to acknowledge how they might've made someone feel. This guy is just full of shite. Nice video as always Aaron
Had a TTV click his flashlight at me, tea bags to get us to heal him at five gens and chase me around but he calls me the retard. Idk why these streamers try to build a community with that kind of toxic mentality.
Someone who self-proclaims to be wholesome has the same energy of someone who self-proclaims to be an empath. They generally are not. Wholesomeness is a title others give to you.
I’m one of those that don’t chat during stream or comment on videos. I just like to watch and enjoy the entertainment. 😆 thanks for the video as always ❤️
I remember playing against this guy. I was playing ghostface and ran Enduring+Spirit fury with the Olsen wallet (the addon that gives you back your power when breaking a pallet/breakable wall) and I 99'ed him and then going for the other survivors. I knew that this guy is very very good in looping so if I went in chase whilst having him 99'ed and spirit fury ready I knew he couldn't get anywhere. He wasn't live if I remember correctly. When we were in endgame he was pissed off and said I should uninstall because I couldn't catch him without enduring +spirit fury. Thank you Aaron for showing this guy's behaviour!
That's true. But it makes a difference how you handle it if your "toxic" side comes to light. You can try to make up excuses or you can be honest that you got pissed (what can happen) and move on
This made me think of a vid Aaron posted about him calling HIMSELF out for being toxic and teaching his viewers that everyone slips up, and THAT’S how people should deal with their own toxicity- Now, if only we lived in a world where people were more like that, but I feel like, with people like Aaron, the most wholesome part about them is when they own up to their mistakes and use their experiences to help others.
Game starts: "I want to be chased!" During Game: "Why did killer want to chase me?" Never going to be happy. A step above a sore loser is a sore winner being annoying.
I checked the guy’s video out and I’m glad to see more and more comments forcing him to take responsibility and him responding to them trying to justify being unnecessarily toxic. Guys, if you’re starting to feel burnt out or angry all the time when it comes to a game, IT’S TIME TO TAKE A BREAK. When you don’t take your well needed time away, you become as entitled as this guy.
When you said “let’s watch the video where he was accused of being toxic”, I got an ad for a pilot school. I mean, most toxic thing I’ve ever seen that’s for sure.
I'm glad i've subscribed to you and watched your videos, cuz it not only drives home how NOT to act in competitive scenarios (and about being an asshole in general), but it also tries to enforce positivity that is so severely lacking in the gaming space. Just yesterday i had to deal with someone assuming i was female (which i am, but the point is he latched onto assuming it without actually knowing) and proceeding to fill a chat with an insane amount of derogatory and sexist comments. all because i wouldn't 1v1 him in a game after i had killed him once, and he assumed i was "scared", when in fact i knew what would happen at either outcome if i did. If i won, he would try and challenge me to another or accuse me of a number of things. If i lost, he would brag and insult and generally be unpleasant. Its predictable behaviour these days, but it shouldn't be. I truly hope that you and those who make videos similar to this can make a difference to some people and to the communities they impact as a whole. Its never as deep as these toxic whingy people make it out to be. Love the video Aaron, you always hit the nail on the head with these topics
Man I really enjoy this guy's content a lot he puts out a lot of good stuff and like I'm the person that doesn't comment on everything and I love to enjoy watching the video and just keep enjoying the content and right there is no reason to be mean to people who just want to do that. Much love to you
Imo clicks are just like 'hey did you loose me? Right here." So I gotta make a choice. 'ok, do I take up their challenge or is there some other objective they're trying to protect...'
Im fascinated how people are spending time arguing over game. I used to be one too until I switched from PC to consoles, where usually chat doesnt exist and I am so much happier.
The hot take about bad players clicking because they have to find another way to win the chase is so much truer than most think. Back when I started this game and I didn’t have any looping skills, I clicked just to annoy the killer and a lot of the time they would actually just leave me giving me a chance to survive a lot longer than if they just stuck on me. 😅
I actually tried sending this to Spooks before I saw his attitude and was like okay. I didn't say anything in the chat because he's just not going to care.
I've been watching your videos and watching you on Twitch and i love it. I always end up lurking people and hanging out. Sometimes I don't feel like chatting and just want to watch. You give everyone a fair chance to be prove they are nice, even thought they fail very hard lmfao. I enjoy it very much. Keep up the hard work but don't overwork yourself
I especially agree with your point about him probably thinking that just because he has done many good deeds before doesn't mean that he could use those as sort of armor/shield when someone calls his behaviour out, which most of the people who did were probably doing it out of concern for him. Idk who this guy is so i'm not sure if he really does proclaim himself as wholesome but for me, a wholesome person doesn't really need to do that because that's just what they are.
My opinion on is when he started he was probably wholesome and good at the game. But as the game grew and added more killers and perks, it became progressively harder to run the killer. Now he gets mad at the game and killers. Because in his viewers eyes he's never used to get downed like that before. So he came up with this image that's its not him it's sweaty killers.
I'm a survivor main that has a flashlight in my hand at least 98% of the time. I click my flashlight to get the killer's attention and basically tell them to "come here, chase me". I know that not everyone has the same mentality as I do when it comes to clicking. I basically use it to communicate, but I don't expect every killer to just not get aggravated by it. So I EXPECT killers to tunnel/target me and I don't get bitchy and entitled when they do. What else were they going to do? I WANT the chase because it's fun for me and I also want the killer to get their fun from it as well. If I notice the killer is a beginner I back off of the sweat a bit and encourage them to stick with me. But at the end of the day I want a chase where we are both sweating our titties off trying to win, and congratulate each other on good plays. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, I'm not special and there are many people who have the same outlook as I do. I'm just trying to push the point that it isn't hard to be a good person and chill tf out.
It equally sucks when a fandom or game has gatekeeping by people who decided just because of one thing or another they get to arbitrarily push people away or invalidate people as though they own it.
This honestly sounds like someone who has just been playing the game for too long and eventually the 'wholesome', which i believe they started out wanting to be, has just bled away while he's existed in an echo chamber.
Thank you for making this point. I get survivors that complain about their teammates and the first thing I say is. They did what they thought they must. It's there game. Let them play. It's not life
this person is clicking their flashlight, and bc they're a good looper it means "chase me" and then they're like (surprised pikachu face) when they.... get chased. like i think tht's my biggest issue w survs like if you're gonna be silly and goofy i'll act accordingly. like I genuinely don't know what they expect- this is coming from someone who tries very hard not to tunnel but it happens sometimes when the surv won't get out of your face, yknow??
After I saw how the ttv behaved I was very... annoyed by how he behaved, especially when it came to the comments. Like everyone is entitled to their opinion and any video thats published publicly, anyone may deliver criticism or a genuine compliment within their comments (which is perfectly fine). However he took the dredges compliments like he was offended by a nice person. Then I saw the part where Aaron explained what happened during 1 hour of the stream and I legit went "Well if you're rushing the hook with your team, the killer doesn't need to go anywhere because everyone is right there trying to unhook" and then went smh at everything else.
YT has recommended you so many times,and i have been leaving my passionate essays in the comments section,so i might have pushed in a red button when you read this. The least i could do! I have a fresh story of myself to bring to the table. A young "Kate" wich i happen to know,unaware of it were in a match with 2 streamers being in a SWF (they didnt wear TTV in theyr names,but I later tracked all of theyr social medias and streaming platforms) This "Kate" got interupted by someone else in the household (short errand),she went into the locker to avoid being in anyones way and hopefully being back before the crows started making loud bangs,attracting the killer. She was really quick,so she only had 1 crow above her head. This one streamer was hooked just outside the shack she was afk`ing in. She ran out,got this streamer off hook and healed him all the way up. She does random things like do some totems (it was a Wraith so she expected NOED in endgame) Then she runs back to the shack and starts working on a gen,but then multiple people get downed so she reacts naturally by leaving the gen,runs up to watch (this was on the winter map) When she gets closer,shes able to see whats going on,there is 2 people flocking around the hook,with the killer....and a Leon is on the hook. They basically are 2 people helping to facecamp Leon to death. Killer only pretended to down one of the other 2,to make it look "unbiased" and real. Young "Kate" is baffled and is just staring while doing screenshots as proof,she gets 1 crow on her head again. What does 1 of the 2 do when she spots "Kate"? The "Jane" of them (a female really smalltime streamer with barely any following,same info goes for the male being a "Mikaela") makes gestures to the killer then runs up to "Kate" and points at her,"ordering" the killer to kill her next. This was before the penalties came back up,so "Kate" decides to not stay behind. She leaves,and she also notices that the 2 streamers gets to escape,the Jane even gets hatch as an extra bonus. Now.... in the chat they decide to go in on "Kate" just because they didnt get to kill her. 2 self entitled assholes starts to make up lies about young "Kate",that she was useless,this that and the other (really hurtful stuff about what she should do,what she didnt deserve in life etc) That she did nothing ingame (again,she saved 1 of them from a hook with 2 of the others clearly so far away,that "Mikaela" would have potentially died on hook,if not for young "Kate". And healed "Mikaela" all the way back up. Then went on to do several other tactical actions,to be helpful for endgame as well as starting to work on gens. If the killer was on theyr side from the start or not,i can only speculate in. But theyr actions towards "Leon" really showed that they certainly became a trio that is way too unfair for the remaining 2 players. Also that they were allowed to escape afterwards is that typical sign of "working with the killer". So i got mad,i found them and i harshly lectured them both up in whispers on twitch,and told them to watch theyr effin mouths next time,talking to people younger then themselfs the next time. The guy shows no remorse whatsoever,and instead of apologizing,wich would have calmed me down and we could have sorted this in friendlier tones. Instead he tells me that he will continue to do toxic shit like this whenever he stumbles upon "useless people" (self entitlement,just who he decides for himself is "useless people"),that i should deal with it and STFU. Then he writes "now leave me alone,you are annoying!",and quickly blocks me before i could argument his rude,non argumentative statement to death,wich just tells me this is seriously immatured individuals. And apparently this guy is 25,but he behaves and arguments for himself like a rebellious 12 year old. I wrote the female as well,also informative things about how toxic and rude this friend of hers had exposed himself to me,when all he could have done was apologize and we would have sorted it like adults. Fearing that she would be of the same "breed" as he was,i simply just wrote her an information line of words,where i said i hoped that she was at least able to use her head more then this guy did,be more careful of spreading lies and go in on people like that for no reason. Because next time i would make it personal and take it further. I also said that they were exposed working with the killer in facecamping that poor Leon to death,that it was reported to the devs. So i would be careful lashing out on people for no reason for the future,not knowing how young,old they were or if they had any disfunction etc. You never know who you talk to on that other side,so dont be calling people useless when you know its not true. Then i revoked abilities to answer,this was just meant as a mindopener and a warning. Twitch was also notified on the actions and conversations happening in game from theese 2 streamers (they werent live when this happened),so they would understand the TOS breaking one of them did (in twitch whispers) when i tried to make them realize theyr own fuckups. He even admitted his actions and words used,as he willingly repeated them. So not really bright,wich i found amusing. Then he went on to tell me to go outside and touch some grass,stuff like that. A guy i would love giving a serious whooping when they are soo toxic and non remorseful,just awful personalities all the way trough. And the sad part is,DBD is full of them. And people wonder why im demotivated from playing DBD myself,with killers behaving like they do in EVERY match,plus theese self entitled asshole survivors that attacks you afterwards if your playstyle wasnt to theyr liking etc. DBD is soo bad right now in regards to its community,i just want bot matches with the ability to get progress and points. They can run it for half the amount that you get on the live servers,i would be fine with it. Because now i want to max out my characters,and then im laying the game to rest. DBD has had a okay run,but i think its time to move on. Unless there is a dev takeover,that brings back the joyful,thrilling times of DBD. I cant wait to see what Texas Chainsaw Massacre brings of gameplay,im soo ready to leave DBD if TCM is well enough thought through and developed!
HEY I'm actually early! Can't wait to watch this. Edit: Wholesome my ass, A "wholesome" person is just someone who is as kind as possible. If you wanna be toxic just be toxic. It's better to be to toxic and know you are instead of being toxic and saying you are "wholesome" as a person who has anger issues and can get very verbal during arguments, don't lie about being toxic. It's just dumb, And as someone with those problems I still try to be nice. Good video mate.
This one seems to have prodded a few nerves. Very well produced and great analysis as always. Keep it up man. I may only get to lurk while I work but I look forward to your videos and streams.
This guy is the embodiment of "toxic positivity" where he only wants to be surrounded by yes men who agree with everything he does as if he does no wrong. Unfortunately there's too many clowns like this in the DbD community and why I quit playing it. Getting TTVs to brigade with their community my steam profile with nothing but slurs and insults because of how I was playing is insane. Literally had to turn off my steam comments because of it.
i almost completely ignore people who click because they want a chase. it typically keeps them off gens since they just want to try and harrass me and on top of that the other teamates tend to be the weaker part of the team
It's this attitude and mentality...why I stopped playing the game...i can only bring myself to play survivor during events. But shit I remember a day, I use to make friends as killer. I always let someone go. But 90 percent of survivors seem to have this mentality now. Even if I win. I lose.
I know exactly who this is, I’m very surprised to see them behave this way. They are a very good survivor and I’m shocked they can’t read the room (the match) 1 gen left on the game map why not go for the injured survivor maybe get a down/have the team be altruistic and mess up. I know they uploaded a video talking about how killers are op with updates & in the video they play nurse for example vs baby survivors so I brought up how most survivors he played against were new/tried to kill themselves when they saw it was a nurse (common). I see what they’re saying that they are human and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, I’ve never watched their streams but I’ve seen their RUclips videos for years and I assumed they wouldn’t complain the much since they seem to understand the game well.
In the end this "wholesome" streamer is manipulating and using cult-creating tactics. You look to the leader for advice, fear everyone else snitching on you and question everyone elses perception. Over time you're not able to open up, you fear being outcasted bc it would take every contact you have.
This guy has created a complete echo chamber, he straight up insulted a long time viewer in his comments on the video and the guy started trying to plead his case it was super gross, this guy does not want any criticism
I want to add btw, that his video came up in the recommended to a Skermz video I was watching, though I doubt it’s a hard video to find cause it’s just that game in the video
survivor: *clicks flashlight every three seconds* also survivor when they get the most chase: the killer tunnelled me edit: not him complaining about stealth killers doing stealth killer tactics lmao. hit and run tactics are the playstyle you WANT when playing a stealth killer, you can't brute force chase like other killers i don't know how many times i must say this, stealth killers operate best with hit and run and you're entitled if you think they should change the playstyle because you want to loop them or something
this guy is fascinating, he says that the dredge is trying to be nice because the streamer can't comprehend the killer actually being nice and giving compliments
Never seen this streamer guy you talking about, but to me not everyone but alot of guide/tutorial etc youtubers or twitch streamers ime thinks they are sooo good at the game that if someone beats them there world falls apart and they have to lash out like this to be able to sleep during the night.
@@AaronDukeYT idk how but I commented on your short and I guess it came over here instead, or I commented on this video instead of your short accidentally
I love how Arron’s like, “the dredge was wholesome and nice, and he was never mean, the dredge was a nice guy” and all I can think about is dredges lore and how it is the embodiment of evil
Ironic...
Dredge looking at its septic touch. Yup nothing toxic here!
😂😂
imagine if the killer was hittler
dick killed maurice
Me: I'm not into all that drama.
Aaron: Here's a video on Dead By Daylight toxicity.
Me: Now, pour the tea.
Pft, pick up popcorn and open a cold one and we're cooking
People who are really nice and wholesome don't go around saying they're nice and wholesome. People who do that are always walking red flags smh
Yep. Anyone who says "I'm so empathetic" or "in the nicest person you'll ever meet" always makes me give them side eye
Nah I've seen some qenuinely wholesome TTVs with the wholesome label. These people just taint its image.
100%. It's like the "nice guys" complaining women always pick assholes
Well its a bit tricky, usually they are like "i think im a nice person", saying they are nice and all humblely and don't over exaggerate what they are or go around and telling it as many people as possible, basically like me, i get called "the nicest person you ever meet" by nearly everyone, but i just concider myself as a guy who wants to do the right thing
I don't agree. I pride myself on being a wholesome and kind. In dead by daylight for reference; every game I stay to say GG to the killer, I will own up to my mistakes, I'll compliments my teammates and the killers gameplay. I don't allow any of the anger from games or my own loss affect othe players. It's not wrong to say you are something if that is something you genuinely try to do 😊
"If I ever stray off my path I hope you guys would bring me back onto it" I gotchu homie. You used to be this super angry Bubba hitting chainsaws on walls in Midwich and screaming about it but have since changed... BRING OUR AARON BACK I miss the old days of toxic Aaron, HOW DARE he become this wholesome streamer who spends his days telling people to treat others with respect and promoting positivity in the community.
(I'm sure you recognized the sarcasm. Love you Aaron and what you do for us
Say no more boo, I got you! 💙
@@AaronDukeYT :O
@@AaronDukeYT unironicqlly, id love a super obvious, purposely badly faked "super toxic" stream from you, just to have that sweet satiric humor.
Very Wholesome Comment! Keep having fun! ^w^
HOW DARE HE 😤
Killer tries to kill: Omg that's so toxic.
I think this is almost worse. He creates a toxic space where someone who would follow for a long time and give feedback gets kicked from the group. Think of the hurt after supporting for a while and being treated that way.
I’ve been following this streamer for a long time - and the people who said they were followers “calling him out” weren’t even followers… they never showed up until his community post popped off.
Does that mean that their opinion is invalid and they should be shunned?
@@AaronDukeYT When you said this at the end of the video, my CPTSD kicked in and I envisaged this whole scenario of him gaslighting his chat if they said one thing about his attitude... basically the whole they are so nice and if you said something that they did NO ONE believes you and get called the most horrible person on earth (had this happen to many times). You're kicked out, but you're walking away anyway because you fear for your life and expect the backlash for months ahead. That's what this 'wholesome' streamer does for me. BUT remember it's CPTSD and I don't know if I'm right or I'm in fight or flight mode. Crap.. edit. I said thanks Aaron at the end like I was pointing at you LOL I wasn't. I was thank you for making a great video and don't worry I'm okay and I'm not mad at you
@@AaronDukeYTyes?
( Sarcasm)
@memeseeku3618 did he ever apologize for being toxic?
I find it interesting cause Survivors always have two things to say to Killers.
1) Don't tunnel
2) Don't be surprised when you lose cause you overcommit to one chase. You need to leave chase and pressure Gens.
But it's funny cause sometimes those two conflict. If I'm over here not chasing one or maybe even two Survivors cause either they are really good, got real lucky tile generation, or maybe even both, then I'm gonna commit more to the other two. Oh. But now I'm tunneling. So basically it becomes "If you can't get a quick down on the best Looper on the team, regardless of tile and Pallet RNG, you deserve to lose. Cause you deserve to lose for overcommiting to a chase. But also Tunnelers don't deserve to win." Like.
Bruh no. I gotta take my victories when I can. And sometimes that means ignoring the "good" looper who holds forward to Garden of Joy Main Building every time they get hit and going after the one who's clearly a bit more lost instead.
And that's not factoring in that cognitive dissonance people have around being tunnelled in the first place.
You could be chasing everyone equally, but if you kill someone they say you're tunnelling despite the fact that you let them off hook to chase other survivors, or once downed changed targets.
You’ll get better though as a killer if you’re not just going for the weak links, but I get wanting to ensure the win and go for the other later - however as utility on the map expires if the weaker loopers use them - the better loopers won’t be able to allow you to get better at looping as killer.
@@memeseeku3618 Yeah but sometimes I'm not always trying to get better.
Maybe I'm just trying to get the last Pip I need to rank up in Iridescent.
Maybe I'm trying to get a tome challenge done.
Maybe I'm playing a Killer I'm not too good with and the weaker links are challenge enough for me while I am learning that Killer's basics.
And as I said. Sometimes it isn't ALWAYS that the Survivor is super good. They could just get real lucky with tile generation. I saw a buddy playing Killer on Twitch get the nastiest setup of interconnecting Jungle Gyms and that I had ever seen on Suffocation Pit. Like it didn't take an amazing looper to waste plenty of time in that area.
And making smart tactical decisions is part of being a good killer too. Like yes...why would I chase the Healthy Survivor to a strong tile set up in a no-pressure zone when I can chase "Still injured from being unhooked 3 minutes ago" who decides to run to one unsafe pallet in the otherwise wide open.
Sometimes Survivors make crappy decisions that also get them and their teammates killed and it shouldn't always be up to the Killer to excuse every single one to be "uwu fun and nice and fair" like no. Hold that L.
@@memeseeku3618 You can be an amazing killer going against an amazing looper and the better choice would be going for a weaker looper. The map and tiles are very dependent on who you go for and THATS what makes you a good killer, knowing when to drop chase, knowing who to go for, and knowing which tiles will benefit you.
Exactly. Plus if the good looper who likes being chased SEES you ignoring them for the weak link they will sometimes go out of their way into less favorable positioning to interfere potentially allowing you to get them. It's called strategy
This TTV wanted smoke with the Dredge, but wasn't getting it, so tried to poke the bear, hoping it was a grizzly... but got a cuddly black bear instead.
That Dredge player must be watching real wholesome DBD content creators like Aaron and Spook. He diffused the toxicity quickly and kept doing that until the TTV gave up.
Guys like you and Spook are why I have some hope for the DBD community. You actually promote wholesomeness and positivity, and use videos like this one to warn others of the horrible TTVs. Keep doing what you're doing, brother.☺️👍
Dredge pledge baby! As a dredge main I try my best to make the game as fun as I can while still trying to play like a good killer. Like if someone's being a goofy goober I'll play along for a bit.
Edit: I responded to a year old comment I'm so sorry.
#DredgePledge also, I m glad that both Spooks and Aaron are here for us. They help us weed out the good from the bad.
Dredge: You are a very good player
Toxic TTV: but why you chase me :(
if this guy is wholesome, then most of the people you've reacted to/shown to us are the most wholesome people ever.
One time I was playing on Haddonfield against a trickster.
I had boil over equipped and managed to find myself in a position that I was In the house of Pain. So naturally I made use of this and tried to make it as difficult as possible for the trictor to get me out of the basement and on to a hook. There was only like one other survivor left so I was at least just trying to distract the trickster while they did stuff. After a couple minutes of trying the trickster was eventually able to get me onto a hook and gave me just a little bit of a love tap on the hook for my trouble.
In the post game chat he was really civil and actually apologized, saying "Sorry for hitting you on the hook, but it was just so frustrating getting you out of that basement."
To which I replied with "It's all good. I kinda earned it."
It was all very Civil. He technically BM'd me And I was using an incredibly cheesy tactic, But we both acknowledged to each other that we weren't doing it to try and be assholes.
The guy playing Dredge should have just said "Get Tunneled" and clicked continue.
Dredge lowkey handled that so well lmao. Secondly, instead of correcting the dredge can we correct the way the TTV spells being.
Everyone got really caught up over that spelling 😂
"Hugs coated with sugar often hold knives laced with salt", as a friend once randomly said after a game of HotS. Burn out and exhaustion can just ruin you, and you slip on those values till you stop holding them because it's easy. It's REALLY hard to be a wholesome streamer all the time. You want to vent sometimes. Kinda makes me feel sad for them in a way .
100%
I remember streaming a game (I want to say Need For Speed Underground) and this is like my 100th stream while encountering bots and I went on a massive rant about it and it completely killed the vibe of a chilled stream with kick-ass music with kick-ass cars to the point that I said I was gonna take a 2 week break to calm down so I don't have another rant that could of been worse then the first, venting is good but sometimes you can bottle up something until something makes you snap and vent out everything in a situation where it was inappropriate thats why I always do a week break when I stream (so one week I stream, the next I don't and repeat) so I can unwind and not bottle shit up and have it burst out during stream
Breaks are always good, no matter the situation, if you feel like you're getting annoyed or angry easily and can't calm down, take a break from what you're doing, one of the many things I've learnt from being a streamer, eventhough I learnt it the hard way, it's still a lesson
Where did you find such a wise friend‽
I was going to comment and say something similar but you said it better. Nicely put.
Sounds like dude might not being having a bad day but going trough a bad patch in life. Just feeling more negative. He didn't do anything shitty really just being grumpy af
As a killer I think it’s funny getting called a “tunneler” when the person I’m “tunneling” all but throws themselves into the line of fire like I’m not gonna go for the guy closer to being out of the game
See, THIS is why im worried about streaming. I love to give positive support and being wholesome but i don't want to devolve into..THIS
You won't :3 To me, being toxic is either a choice just to be jerks or they're like that in some way out of the game. It's just about knowing when to take a break.
I myself have a bad and childish temper and when I feel it coming on when I play, I step away and cool off before returning.
Streaming isn't suddenly gonna make you toxic, these people would be toxic streamer or not. It's just that these guys get lots of attention due to drama, so it seems like every TTV that isn't big is toxic as hell when that isn't the case at all
Streaming won't make you toxic, being toxic will make you toxic. There's a difference between getting annoyed and moving on and being well, an asshole like this guy who takes a game to heart and brings it out of the game.
I'd say go for it.
But at the same time if you catch yourself saying things like this stop, take a break and evaluate why you feel that way or said those things.
Recognise that and try to change how you react It wont make you feel any better, but it might help you stop saying something you'll regret down the line.
There's a difference between being angry/cranky (bad day, bad match, etc. emotions in general) and being toxic.
The difference is the time you hold onto it. Being toxic is something that you feed and it gets worse if you don't change your mindset. Getting angry about a game is normal, but you need to know that's the signal to take a break to reset your mood and to avoid getting tilted and toxic.
It's not worth getting all clingy in endgame chat bc the killer tunneled you or did something you didn't like, the more you spend there the more you feed the nasty feeling and that feeling starts snowballing making everything toxic.
I have a really hard time with things like this. I have friends who are streamers who have a hard time seeing things from the killers POV, and go "They are tunneling!" at 2 to 1 gens left, and I have to go "They are trying to get pressure, we have them down to 2 gens." This happens on repeat whenever I'm playing with someone who mainly plays survivor. I will claim tunneling sometimes, but I don't tunneling in a mean way, I normally go "THEY WANT MEH DEAD!" Normally in my best attempt at a silly voice. This is a repeat sort of thing that happens a lot when I play with others. I rather dislike it, but at the same time I can see where they are coming from, they want to escape, to get out. To say that they won. To their credit they won't carry it past the game for long. HOWEVER, in the video in question, that Dredge did EXACTLY what the TTV wanted, they chased them, and the TTV wanted to push it, to make the killer feel bad for something the TTV wanted in the first place. Honestly, at this part I couldn't care, he could have been getting his frustrations out via end game chat. Something a lot of people do. But he attacked his viewers, commenters, and people who couldn't watch the live stream due to time constraints or general lack of interest in twitch, just because they wanted to defend the Dredge and try to get him to see the Dredges POV. They weren't there during the Livestream, SURE! OF COURSE! But they watched the video. They watched what you did, they watched what the Dredge did. They may have a point that your just trying to ignore and justify yourself.
On to the rest? Well, all I can say is Toxic Survivor Main, cause that is legit all I can say. He embodies the title of entitled toxic survivor main.
Had this issue with a Streamer I played both against as Killer and then with when I said hi. Thought they were chill but I guess vs anyone who wasn't me they always cried Tunnelling even when...it wasn't tunneling.
Example. Streamer gets Hooked. Saved. Decides Gen before healing with another Survivor. Another Survivor gets chased, downed, and hooked. Killer checks that Gen. Streamer cries Tunneling when the Killer goes after them and not the healthy Survivor they were next to. I'm like "You had time to heal..." But they weren't having it. They were "tunnelled" cause they never recovered from the state they were left in after getting off the hook.
I think Survivors need to realize a lot of times Killers just make decisions off of "Who is the easier down cause an easier down becomes a easier hookstate which becomes pressure." I never consider hookstates. I operate on "If it's in front of me it's getting hit" and "Well if I hit you take that speedboost to a strong tile that still has its pallet in a no-pressure zone but if I hit THAT person who never bothered to heal in the 3 minutes I left them alone, I get a down." I'm sorry sometimes that does lead to unfun experiences but I'm not gonna throw games to be nice.
Like you never see Survivors stop cranking Gens when they're winning by a landslide. DBD community places so much pressure on the Killer to babysit every person's experience.
I think it's that they dont play killer or try to see it from their perspective.
I dont play killer either but at least I recognise the killers perspective, if everyone is alive no one on death hook and we have 2 gens left the killer is going to be more ruthless because they at least want a 1k.
Tunnelling is just playing efficiently. Like it or not it's the most optimal way to win a match.
With 1 less survivor out early game [say 1 gen popped] only 2 can do gens, and 1 has to distract me.
So they're not just down 1 person, they're down 2 because another person has to be the distraction.
If the 2nd person cant loop me, they go down and only 1 person can be on gens at any given time.
i agree with you. Entitled toxic survivor main. I know that I complain about tunneling A LOT... but sometimes it's because 2 or 1 gen left, and when I look down and see that I say 'well i don't blame them' and then of course try my best to out loop. If I end up dead, I may complain a little... but as I watch the end of the game and see my swf doing really good things, at end game chat I may say gg or just move on. If not in a swf... I just move on. And I am NOT wholesome lol
I've had to change my mindset to this lately after watching a lot of these types of videos, and it's really helped me play better and happier
I have friends like this too. I main survivor and I get tunneling can be annoying and seem unfair, but sometimes you are the Chosen One lol
I dont know why it's so hard to just take a break when someone is mad... they have a lot of options to do instead, like.. take a walk, play something else, or play with friends
Also, that's sorta why I left dbd.. it's just filled with toxic people
I take the 'wholesome' tag the same as the 'nice' tag.
It's something you get called not something you proclaim for yourself.
If you're genuinely wholesome or nice other people will call you wholesome or nice because they genuinely like being around you and your company.
If you have to tell other people you're wholesome or nice, you're probably not. Like who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
If someone tbags and clicks at me then that's an open invite to be tunnel
I agree!
Perfect description, it is also easier to down them since they take so much time using all the pallets so late game they got nothing.
Had a match the other night in my charity stream as a memorial to my late dad, where in chat before the match, I told the other survivors "Good luck and have fun" to which one of them responded that I should go jump off a bridge. I just chuckled and thought "I can be toxic to you and have the killer take you out in short order, or be kind and help you because it will help the team."
So I kept saving their arse because the killer (Spirit) kept downing them and I even rescued them off hook twice, pausing my gen work each time to do that.
This is the first time I've recognized a content creator. I feel like they used to be way more wholesome and it's sad that I haven't enjoyed their content as much recently.
This is the first video of yours in which I recognise the streamer you are talking about. what you said at the end about his fans claiming he has changed his attitude while playing the game is entirely true and it's a shame as he is a great player who does not need to complain about a killer chasing him throughout the game. I can't tell if he changed his attitude because of his community or his outlook on the game, but well done for making this video because the points you made were 100% correct and I hope the streamer this video is about will see this video
I mean he needs to do more than just see the video. He needs to wake up.
What's his twitch?
Him: what do you think of when you think of a wholesome streamer
Me: uhhhhhhhh.. you, spooknjukes, spookyloopz, otz, and demi
@@sebastianimation6100 yeah but papa dem dem embraces that curse for us 👻
Spooknjukes seems like he's got a big ego sometimes tbh, his attitude seems like "dbd is my livelihood but I don't care, so if you care you're a loser"
spooknjukes absolutely not. It’s however. The guy is perfect. Goat
@@tameflames it isn’t egotistical to separate games from reality.
Demi curses alot and that does not mean he isn’t wholesome… some people need to understand that. He doesn’t go and text people on the game chat and say stuff like this “wholesome streamer” spooksnjukes also doesn’t do that so yea he is also wholesome. He’s not toxic, he does have his own play style and that does not make him toxic.
There have been several times where I know I am losing the match and so I will focus in primarily on one of the better players so that I can maximize the experience of and learn from going against someone better than me. I like the challenge and if I've already lost then it's a great learning opportunity. That Dredge was lovely indeed.
Hey ARoberts! Love your vids
@@jaydonarchuleta5691 ☺☺
As someone who comments on things very rarely. I really do appreciate you for saying it, I did comment on his video. And of course wasn't met with good feedback.
Thank you for making this video. It bothers me a lot, as a survivor main that this still happens. I am not someone who loops, I don't use Dead Hard, I don't have special perks. I just focus on the game. I want to be able to play the game without any hassle. I click at my friends if I find a flashlight maybe for fun, never for the killer. Just for jokes.
It's a GAME.
that dredge is a lot nicer than I am, I would have just tunneled and not even stay long enough post game for the chat
Exactly. My brother is decently cracked at killer. Every game regardless of how he does he leaves a "ggwp" and insta leaves. Easier then dealing with even the possibility of salt
@@jamesmills5326 respect to your brother for staying positive in this community. I’m on Xbox and play both killer and survivor,I don’t have endgame chat, but if I did I would always say “gg”, something nice wether I died or survived, or wether I got 4 kills or 0 kills. Just be positive basically lol
Had a group of survivors once trying to claim I was hacking because I got very lucky teleporting with Dredge once, they were adamant I was hacking so I ended up uploading my game
Bet they never played killer before to make such accusations 💀I don’t get why people who only play one side jump to conclusions like that when they lose. Survivor or killer.
@@LaLaLainey They might not play killer, they very well might. This was when Dredge had just been added to the game so at the very least, they probably weren't very knowledgable on Dredge's powers and they certainly didn't know my thought process as to why I teleported to the lockers that I did.
"If I ever stray off my path I hope you guys would bring me back onto it"
That's what I ask my friends to do for me. I'm forever grateful to my best friend who called me out on my actions and opinions that were hurtful and/or unproductive.
Nice to have friends that look out for you
Thank You soo much for making this video, I was one of the people who gave criticism to him in the comments and I got a bit of hate from it but honestly it's great to see a bigger creator talking about this and you're one of my favourite comfort RUclipsrs to watch and I hope you reach 100k one day!
I saw! I hope the hate wasn’t too bad, I’m sorry it happened! And thank you for the kind words 💙
im a survivor main but, i get sometimes tunnels and camps happen especially "proxy camping or accused of it" survivors will unhook literally seconds after someone is hooked and then be like WHY YOU CAMP!
Or you’ll find a survivor, an they’ll run to the hook for a trade, then complain you accepted the trade
After watching this video to the end I can only say three words I'm so shocked I know who this person is but don't worry I will not tell anyone who he is I generally thought that he's a wholesome lovely content creator but that was a facade I was a fan of his for 6 months and seen him promoting bullying and entitlement is just not okay and I'm not going to support him anymore thank you for making this video showing light of his true toxic self
Everyone puts up a Persona to keep their image pure and clean
You can never tell who someone is by how they act, especially a content creator
It's rare to see people actually act how they would outside of public eyes mainly because they don't think it would draw people in or because they are a scummy and toxic person outside of prying eyes
@@Smokie_HellFire I'm not telling I get that he attacked you by him but he still doesn't deserve hate coming to him it's better if he stays anonymous
@@Smokie_HellFire get over it . Simple. And block him
@@Smokie_HellFire With you beeing that adamant about messaging him, you 100% will send him hate. Normal people would move on. You however cant let it rest. So its good you arent getting the name.
@@Smokie_HellFire With you beeing that adamant about messaging him, you 100% will send him hate. Normal people would move on. You however cant let it rest. So its good you arent getting the name.
I know this person not watched his videos in a long while... I like how the guy says "you weren't in my stream lol" but there is the video proof of him being toxic in end game chat. Thank you for sharing this video these kind of people should be called out for there behaviour.
This is how you know these people are toxic. Because even though he is acknowledging what maybe made him seem "toxic" HE DIDNT APOLOGISE TO THE DREDGE OR OWN UP TO HIS MISTAKES. He brushes them off and goes "No not me, not my fault." What would make him actually wholesome would be him - EVEN IF HE UPLOADED THE VIDEO BUT CUT THE END GAME CHAT OUT - going "I was really mean to this killer for no reason and if you see this, I apologise." But there's never any actual owning up to their mistakes and willingness to acknowledge how they might've made someone feel. This guy is just full of shite.
Nice video as always Aaron
Had a TTV click his flashlight at me, tea bags to get us to heal him at five gens and chase me around but he calls me the retard. Idk why these streamers try to build a community with that kind of toxic mentality.
You're so nice & positive! Thanks for being a DBD streamer we can ALL look up to!
You’re way too kind! Thank you 💙
Someone who self-proclaims to be wholesome has the same energy of someone who self-proclaims to be an empath. They generally are not. Wholesomeness is a title others give to you.
I love it when people use smileys and hearts to hide that they are pissed :D
I’m one of those that don’t chat during stream or comment on videos. I just like to watch and enjoy the entertainment. 😆 thanks for the video as always ❤️
And we appreciate you just as much as everyone else! 💙
I remember playing against this guy. I was playing ghostface and ran Enduring+Spirit fury with the Olsen wallet (the addon that gives you back your power when breaking a pallet/breakable wall) and I 99'ed him and then going for the other survivors. I knew that this guy is very very good in looping so if I went in chase whilst having him 99'ed and spirit fury ready I knew he couldn't get anywhere. He wasn't live if I remember correctly. When we were in endgame he was pissed off and said I should uninstall because I couldn't catch him without enduring +spirit fury. Thank you Aaron for showing this guy's behaviour!
Let's be real no matter how "wholesome" you are everybody has a dark side
Everyone has skeletons in their closet
unfortunately that is humanity
That's true. But it makes a difference how you handle it if your "toxic" side comes to light. You can try to make up excuses or you can be honest that you got pissed (what can happen) and move on
This made me think of a vid Aaron posted about him calling HIMSELF out for being toxic and teaching his viewers that everyone slips up, and THAT’S how people should deal with their own toxicity- Now, if only we lived in a world where people were more like that, but I feel like, with people like Aaron, the most wholesome part about them is when they own up to their mistakes and use their experiences to help others.
I just like to bully everyone.
Game starts: "I want to be chased!"
During Game: "Why did killer want to chase me?"
Never going to be happy. A step above a sore loser is a sore winner being annoying.
Yeah unpleasant winners are never fun to experience tbh!
I love the visual in my head of Claudette secretly being chaotically evil whereas Dredge turns out to be secretly a sweetheart.
14:37 thank you for this! I'm a lurker when it comes to twitch and YT I rarely comment but I do watch a lot of your videos dude!
I checked the guy’s video out and I’m glad to see more and more comments forcing him to take responsibility and him responding to them trying to justify being unnecessarily toxic. Guys, if you’re starting to feel burnt out or angry all the time when it comes to a game, IT’S TIME TO TAKE A BREAK. When you don’t take your well needed time away, you become as entitled as this guy.
how do I find the video? Not trying to send hate or even comment I just want to see the game
When you said “let’s watch the video where he was accused of being toxic”, I got an ad for a pilot school. I mean, most toxic thing I’ve ever seen that’s for sure.
I'm glad i've subscribed to you and watched your videos, cuz it not only drives home how NOT to act in competitive scenarios (and about being an asshole in general), but it also tries to enforce positivity that is so severely lacking in the gaming space. Just yesterday i had to deal with someone assuming i was female (which i am, but the point is he latched onto assuming it without actually knowing) and proceeding to fill a chat with an insane amount of derogatory and sexist comments. all because i wouldn't 1v1 him in a game after i had killed him once, and he assumed i was "scared", when in fact i knew what would happen at either outcome if i did. If i won, he would try and challenge me to another or accuse me of a number of things. If i lost, he would brag and insult and generally be unpleasant. Its predictable behaviour these days, but it shouldn't be.
I truly hope that you and those who make videos similar to this can make a difference to some people and to the communities they impact as a whole. Its never as deep as these toxic whingy people make it out to be. Love the video Aaron, you always hit the nail on the head with these topics
Thank you for your support! I hope that you don’t have to go through things like that again and props to you for being the bigger person! 🙌💙
Killer is mean: Wow, killer is mean.
Killer is not mean: Wow, he's playing Mr. Nice Guy
🙄
Just like the dredge lore, this dude reminds me of Otto Stamper, wholesomeness in the front but in the back, entitlement
Symbolism indeed.
Man I really enjoy this guy's content a lot he puts out a lot of good stuff and like I'm the person that doesn't comment on everything and I love to enjoy watching the video and just keep enjoying the content and right there is no reason to be mean to people who just want to do that. Much love to you
Imo clicks are just like 'hey did you loose me? Right here." So I gotta make a choice. 'ok, do I take up their challenge or is there some other objective they're trying to protect...'
Damn, I actually used to really like this guy. This is the first toxic streamer you made a video on where I immediately recognized the streamer.
Im fascinated how people are spending time arguing over game. I used to be one too until I switched from PC to consoles, where usually chat doesnt exist and I am so much happier.
The hot take about bad players clicking because they have to find another way to win the chase is so much truer than most think. Back when I started this game and I didn’t have any looping skills, I clicked just to annoy the killer and a lot of the time they would actually just leave me giving me a chance to survive a lot longer than if they just stuck on me. 😅
He left against legion because he can’t face the fact… that him and his fans were the real legion all along.
So I’ve figured it out, he’s wholesome towards everything survivor
2:43 I have never seen a gen spawn there before.
I actually tried sending this to Spooks before I saw his attitude and was like okay. I didn't say anything in the chat because he's just not going to care.
I've been watching your videos and watching you on Twitch and i love it. I always end up lurking people and hanging out. Sometimes I don't feel like chatting and just want to watch. You give everyone a fair chance to be prove they are nice, even thought they fail very hard lmfao. I enjoy it very much. Keep up the hard work but don't overwork yourself
Thank you so much for the kind words! And for all of the support, I really appreciate it 💙
I especially agree with your point about him probably thinking that just because he has done many good deeds before doesn't mean that he could use those as sort of armor/shield when someone calls his behaviour out, which most of the people who did were probably doing it out of concern for him.
Idk who this guy is so i'm not sure if he really does proclaim himself as wholesome but for me, a wholesome person doesn't really need to do that because that's just what they are.
My opinion on is when he started he was probably wholesome and good at the game. But as the game grew and added more killers and perks, it became progressively harder to run the killer. Now he gets mad at the game and killers. Because in his viewers eyes he's never used to get downed like that before. So he came up with this image that's its not him it's sweaty killers.
I have social anxiety, unless I have something I NEED to say - I don't comment or chat.
I'm a survivor main that has a flashlight in my hand at least 98% of the time. I click my flashlight to get the killer's attention and basically tell them to "come here, chase me". I know that not everyone has the same mentality as I do when it comes to clicking. I basically use it to communicate, but I don't expect every killer to just not get aggravated by it. So I EXPECT killers to tunnel/target me and I don't get bitchy and entitled when they do. What else were they going to do? I WANT the chase because it's fun for me and I also want the killer to get their fun from it as well. If I notice the killer is a beginner I back off of the sweat a bit and encourage them to stick with me. But at the end of the day I want a chase where we are both sweating our titties off trying to win, and congratulate each other on good plays. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, I'm not special and there are many people who have the same outlook as I do. I'm just trying to push the point that it isn't hard to be a good person and chill tf out.
I saw this and mentioned it in Chapperz stream. Was cool to see you come by. :)
This kind of behavior creates a cult mentality. Where he is the leader and no one can go against him
the irony of click spamming flashlights to draw aggro on you to the point where you're a nuisance and then complaining about tunneling.
It equally sucks when a fandom or game has gatekeeping by people who decided just because of one thing or another they get to arbitrarily push people away or invalidate people as though they own it.
At least my boi the Dredge had more respect from you than that streamer
Streamer tried to goad the Dredge into an "argument" and when the Dredge was nice from the get go it made the streamer look like an arse.
The one thing that I think about wholesome streamers I would think of people like puppers as an example
This is completely off topic but when Arron said "Everybody makes mistakes" (15:13) I instantly heard the Hannah Montana music playing lol
😂😂😂
This honestly sounds like someone who has just been playing the game for too long and eventually the 'wholesome', which i believe they started out wanting to be, has just bled away while he's existed in an echo chamber.
People shouldn't be afraid to take a break from this game and do something else.
It’s like I try to always be positive and stay chill but sometimes when i play dbd it just tilts me but after a bit I feel better
Thank you for making this point. I get survivors that complain about their teammates and the first thing I say is. They did what they thought they must. It's there game. Let them play. It's not life
this person is clicking their flashlight, and bc they're a good looper it means "chase me" and then they're like (surprised pikachu face) when they.... get chased. like i think tht's my biggest issue w survs like if you're gonna be silly and goofy i'll act accordingly. like I genuinely don't know what they expect- this is coming from someone who tries very hard not to tunnel but it happens sometimes when the surv won't get out of your face, yknow??
After I saw how the ttv behaved I was very... annoyed by how he behaved, especially when it came to the comments. Like everyone is entitled to their opinion and any video thats published publicly, anyone may deliver criticism or a genuine compliment within their comments (which is perfectly fine). However he took the dredges compliments like he was offended by a nice person. Then I saw the part where Aaron explained what happened during 1 hour of the stream and I legit went "Well if you're rushing the hook with your team, the killer doesn't need to go anywhere because everyone is right there trying to unhook" and then went smh at everything else.
YT has recommended you so many times,and i have been leaving my passionate essays in the comments section,so i might have pushed in a red button when you read this. The least i could do!
I have a fresh story of myself to bring to the table. A young "Kate" wich i happen to know,unaware of it were in a match with 2 streamers being in a SWF (they didnt wear TTV in theyr names,but I later tracked all of theyr social medias and streaming platforms) This "Kate" got interupted by someone else in the household (short errand),she went into the locker to avoid being in anyones way and hopefully being back before the crows started making loud bangs,attracting the killer. She was really quick,so she only had 1 crow above her head. This one streamer was hooked just outside the shack she was afk`ing in. She ran out,got this streamer off hook and healed him all the way up. She does random things like do some totems (it was a Wraith so she expected NOED in endgame) Then she runs back to the shack and starts working on a gen,but then multiple people get downed so she reacts naturally by leaving the gen,runs up to watch (this was on the winter map) When she gets closer,shes able to see whats going on,there is 2 people flocking around the hook,with the killer....and a Leon is on the hook. They basically are 2 people helping to facecamp Leon to death. Killer only pretended to down one of the other 2,to make it look "unbiased" and real.
Young "Kate" is baffled and is just staring while doing screenshots as proof,she gets 1 crow on her head again. What does 1 of the 2 do when she spots "Kate"? The "Jane" of them (a female really smalltime streamer with barely any following,same info goes for the male being a "Mikaela") makes gestures to the killer then runs up to "Kate" and points at her,"ordering" the killer to kill her next.
This was before the penalties came back up,so "Kate" decides to not stay behind. She leaves,and she also notices that the 2 streamers gets to escape,the Jane even gets hatch as an extra bonus.
Now.... in the chat they decide to go in on "Kate" just because they didnt get to kill her. 2 self entitled assholes starts to make up lies about young "Kate",that she was useless,this that and the other (really hurtful stuff about what she should do,what she didnt deserve in life etc) That she did nothing ingame (again,she saved 1 of them from a hook with 2 of the others clearly so far away,that "Mikaela" would have potentially died on hook,if not for young "Kate". And healed "Mikaela" all the way back up. Then went on to do several other tactical actions,to be helpful for endgame as well as starting to work on gens.
If the killer was on theyr side from the start or not,i can only speculate in. But theyr actions towards "Leon" really showed that they certainly became a trio that is way too unfair for the remaining 2 players. Also that they were allowed to escape afterwards is that typical sign of "working with the killer".
So i got mad,i found them and i harshly lectured them both up in whispers on twitch,and told them to watch theyr effin mouths next time,talking to people younger then themselfs the next time.
The guy shows no remorse whatsoever,and instead of apologizing,wich would have calmed me down and we could have sorted this in friendlier tones. Instead he tells me that he will continue to do toxic shit like this whenever he stumbles upon "useless people" (self entitlement,just who he decides for himself is "useless people"),that i should deal with it and STFU.
Then he writes "now leave me alone,you are annoying!",and quickly blocks me before i could argument his rude,non argumentative statement to death,wich just tells me this is seriously immatured individuals. And apparently this guy is 25,but he behaves and arguments for himself like a rebellious 12 year old.
I wrote the female as well,also informative things about how toxic and rude this friend of hers had exposed himself to me,when all he could have done was apologize and we would have sorted it like adults. Fearing that she would be of the same "breed" as he was,i simply just wrote her an information line of words,where i said i hoped that she was at least able to use her head more then this guy did,be more careful of spreading lies and go in on people like that for no reason. Because next time i would make it personal and take it further. I also said that they were exposed working with the killer in facecamping that poor Leon to death,that it was reported to the devs. So i would be careful lashing out on people for no reason for the future,not knowing how young,old they were or if they had any disfunction etc. You never know who you talk to on that other side,so dont be calling people useless when you know its not true. Then i revoked abilities to answer,this was just meant as a mindopener and a warning. Twitch was also notified on the actions and conversations happening in game from theese 2 streamers (they werent live when this happened),so they would understand the TOS breaking one of them did (in twitch whispers) when i tried to make them realize theyr own fuckups. He even admitted his actions and words used,as he willingly repeated them. So not really bright,wich i found amusing.
Then he went on to tell me to go outside and touch some grass,stuff like that. A guy i would love giving a serious whooping when they are soo toxic and non remorseful,just awful personalities all the way trough. And the sad part is,DBD is full of them. And people wonder why im demotivated from playing DBD myself,with killers behaving like they do in EVERY match,plus theese self entitled asshole survivors that attacks you afterwards if your playstyle wasnt to theyr liking etc. DBD is soo bad right now in regards to its community,i just want bot matches with the ability to get progress and points. They can run it for half the amount that you get on the live servers,i would be fine with it. Because now i want to max out my characters,and then im laying the game to rest.
DBD has had a okay run,but i think its time to move on. Unless there is a dev takeover,that brings back the joyful,thrilling times of DBD. I cant wait to see what Texas Chainsaw Massacre brings of gameplay,im soo ready to leave DBD if TCM is well enough thought through and developed!
HEY I'm actually early! Can't wait to watch this. Edit: Wholesome my ass, A "wholesome" person is just someone who is as kind as possible. If you wanna be toxic just be toxic. It's better to be to toxic and know you are instead of being toxic and saying you are "wholesome" as a person who has anger issues and can get very verbal during arguments, don't lie about being toxic. It's just dumb, And as someone with those problems I still try to be nice. Good video mate.
For my first year and a half everyone wanted hit and run back. now that people are doing it again people get mad it's so confusing
This one seems to have prodded a few nerves. Very well produced and great analysis as always. Keep it up man. I may only get to lurk while I work but I look forward to your videos and streams.
Thanks for constantly delivering balanced, fair, and sensible takes. Time and time again. Keep em coming, gamer :]
I follow this guy, once he posted that, it really gave me the ick, never would've known there'd be a video about it
This guy is the embodiment of "toxic positivity" where he only wants to be surrounded by yes men who agree with everything he does as if he does no wrong. Unfortunately there's too many clowns like this in the DbD community and why I quit playing it. Getting TTVs to brigade with their community my steam profile with nothing but slurs and insults because of how I was playing is insane. Literally had to turn off my steam comments because of it.
Idk why some people think tunneling means only chasing one person rather than them being hooked and only going for them
Keep up the good work aaron an upload from you is always a good watch!
i almost completely ignore people who click because they want a chase. it typically keeps them off gens since they just want to try and harrass me and on top of that the other teamates tend to be the weaker part of the team
It's this attitude and mentality...why I stopped playing the game...i can only bring myself to play survivor during events. But shit I remember a day, I use to make friends as killer. I always let someone go. But 90 percent of survivors seem to have this mentality now. Even if I win. I lose.
Bro went full Mr. Grady from The Shining. "I... corrected them."
Nice comparison 😂
I know exactly who this is, I’m very surprised to see them behave this way. They are a very good survivor and I’m shocked they can’t read the room (the match) 1 gen left on the game map why not go for the injured survivor maybe get a down/have the team be altruistic and mess up. I know they uploaded a video talking about how killers are op with updates & in the video they play nurse for example vs baby survivors so I brought up how most survivors he played against were new/tried to kill themselves when they saw it was a nurse (common). I see what they’re saying that they are human and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, I’ve never watched their streams but I’ve seen their RUclips videos for years and I assumed they wouldn’t complain the much since they seem to understand the game well.
i always find it a bit sus when streamers call THEMSELVES wholesome. never seems to be the case!
the fact that this streamer being covered in this video hasnt spelt "being" correct once in his posts amazes me while he got every other word right
In the end this "wholesome" streamer is manipulating and using cult-creating tactics.
You look to the leader for advice, fear everyone else snitching on you and question everyone elses perception.
Over time you're not able to open up, you fear being outcasted bc it would take every contact you have.
so this person wanted to be chased then complained about it. like what else did he want to do, just sit at a gen pressing 2 buttons?
This guy has created a complete echo chamber, he straight up insulted a long time viewer in his comments on the video and the guy started trying to plead his case it was super gross, this guy does not want any criticism
I want to add btw, that his video came up in the recommended to a Skermz video I was watching, though I doubt it’s a hard video to find cause it’s just that game in the video
Amazing video love the commentary. Energetic yet not annoying
survivor: *clicks flashlight every three seconds*
also survivor when they get the most chase: the killer tunnelled me
edit: not him complaining about stealth killers doing stealth killer tactics lmao. hit and run tactics are the playstyle you WANT when playing a stealth killer, you can't brute force chase like other killers i don't know how many times i must say this, stealth killers operate best with hit and run and you're entitled if you think they should change the playstyle because you want to loop them or something
this guy is fascinating, he says that the dredge is trying to be nice because the streamer can't comprehend the killer actually being nice and giving compliments
Literally, imagine being nice 🤔🤔
Never seen this streamer guy you talking about, but to me not everyone but alot of guide/tutorial etc youtubers or twitch streamers ime thinks they are sooo good at the game that if someone beats them there world falls apart and they have to lash out like this to be able to sleep during the night.
Sandra is just fell asleep. And she scared you for waking her up!
What? 😂
@@AaronDukeYT idk how but I commented on your short and I guess it came over here instead, or I commented on this video instead of your short accidentally