2023 Toyota Venza AWD Review and Off-Road Test

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  • Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024

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  • @alexsystems2001
    @alexsystems2001 Год назад +20

    1:52 it has a 3.5 liter engine?

    • @drivingsports
      @drivingsports  Год назад +31

      Lol. Error. 2.5L

    • @alexsystems2001
      @alexsystems2001 Год назад +8

      @@drivingsports I was thinking, dang that’s quite a change up, their venza must be a hidden gem. Haha

    • @spockskynet
      @spockskynet Год назад +10

      The venza would be a beast with the Tacoma engine.

    • @alexsystems2001
      @alexsystems2001 Год назад +6

      @@spockskynet yeah could you imagine a 3.5L with hybrid lol it would be a hot rod 😄

    • @fartman10284
      @fartman10284 Год назад +2

      @@alexsystems2001 The previous generation Highlander Hybrid used a 3.5L V6.

  • @rightlanehog3151
    @rightlanehog3151 Год назад +124

    Ryan, This video has been reported to the Society For The Prevention of Cruelty to Semi-Luxury Hybrid CUVs. 😂

  • @CabanaD
    @CabanaD Год назад +13

    I really like this effort pushing the Venza to it’s limit - would like to see how it does in the snow if you ever revisit.

    • @petermacdonald6332
      @petermacdonald6332 Год назад

      I currently have a 2020 rav4 limited hybrid and it’s really good in snow with Michelin xi winter tires. I have a Venza limited coming in a few weeks. I will not be taking it off road 🤣

  • @michaelburton
    @michaelburton Год назад +19

    These are built in Japan which is a plus and the limited trim gets you 4 drive modes.

  • @seethingsclearlyawaken3424
    @seethingsclearlyawaken3424 4 месяца назад +1

    The tires that come with the VENZA are street tires, low rolling resistance tires. All the wheels were spinning, so it did perfectly well.

  • @nlken7175
    @nlken7175 Год назад +24

    EV mode is great for mall parking lots or when struck in slow moving traffic.

    • @atmartens
      @atmartens Год назад +10

      That's what I thought! They're replacing traffic lights near me and I'm only going 4-5mph until it opens up, and the amount of gas saved could be helpful in situations like that.

  • @Rissybear
    @Rissybear Год назад +18

    Have the 23 limited and it’s a “lexus light” to me.. drives almost as good as a RX.. but it’s cheaper 😅 .. the materials are not as nice as a lexus but it’s a good compromise without spending $60k US.
    I cringed at the off road part 😂 not meant for that at all. If I wanted that I would definitely go RAV or Subaru.

  • @bho6486
    @bho6486 Год назад +24

    Another great video review. We love our 2021 Venza Limited. It is quiet, smooth to drive, very comfortable and great on fuel. We have been averaging 6.2 L/100 km and (around 38 mpg). Ours does have a front camera that I have used for parking. Very helpful at times. I'm starting to see more and more Venzas. A neighbour of ours liked our Venza so much, she went and got one for herself. The only disappointment has been a few squeaks that appear every once in a while.

    • @rightlanehog3151
      @rightlanehog3151 Год назад +4

      I hope you take better care of yours than Ryan does. 😉

    • @cherrylicious2
      @cherrylicious2 Год назад

      like which squeaks??

    • @razorraysolarsavings72
      @razorraysolarsavings72 Год назад +1

      Lol I hate neighbors that want what you have! 😂

    • @PittsensX
      @PittsensX 10 месяцев назад

      What squeaks are you talking about?

    • @dawntreader007
      @dawntreader007 7 месяцев назад

      I do notice squeaks at very low speeds on EV mode. Noticed it when I was in a garage parking where the sounds echoes off the walls. At first I thought it’s like an EV warning noise. Maybe it will go away once I wear out whatever is squeaking 😂. Will keep on observing; I’ve had it only for about a month.

  • @edsmith9855
    @edsmith9855 Год назад +9

    Would love to see a video of your Crosstrek on that new course.

  • @DavGreg
    @DavGreg Год назад +7

    Who decided that shiny black trim on the outside was a good idea? It will get scratched up quickly. Also, the Bridgestones would be gone day 1.
    The interior looks much better than most Toyotas

    • @jamesnicol3831
      @jamesnicol3831 9 месяцев назад

      Yes with better tires to make it a 4 season competitor

  • @Weatherby406
    @Weatherby406 Год назад +5

    Stock for stock wife’s venza hybrid dominated my Subaru Outback Onyx XT in deep snow.

  • @fenix310
    @fenix310 Год назад +4

    I’m 6’1” and I slept in it for 9 months while transitioning job’s lol

  • @sophaman9193
    @sophaman9193 Год назад +2

    Thanks for sharing your video I owned a 2022 venza hybrid limited come with everything beautiful looking SUV on the road today very comfortable and quiet ride lexus like interior and exterior design excellent on gas I put over 1000 kilometers for 55 litre of gas tank as long as I put my foot on the gas paddle gently I love my venza so much. Take care bye from milton Ontario Canada 🇨🇦

  • @malifestro3319
    @malifestro3319 Год назад +16

    Looks like they haven't really changed how well the AWD could work since the RX450h. Great car either way tho. I think they nailed the customer that wants it. They need to make sure the Rav4 can do significantly better offroad.

    • @miteco1
      @miteco1 Год назад

      I think Rav4 may do better immediately due to higher clearance and a suspension that is possibly more rugged and if it is the right model, has better suited wheels and tires and a mode setting that gives more choices.
      To get the Venza to that level requires a lift of some sort and new wheels and tires and no way to add a trail or sand/ etc mode other than through driver prowess.
      I guess that means about $1,000+ or so spent?
      Its like, a Venza with aTRD off road set of springs, dampers and bump stop package would be able to do 90+% what a Rav4 Woodland could? but would that suspension fit a venza?

  • @figaro410
    @figaro410 Год назад +5

    The Venza has always sort of come across as Toyota wanting to make an Outback, but not really wanting to make an Outback.

  • @stevelouie5928
    @stevelouie5928 Год назад +2

    The original RX300 was called a Harrier in the asia market back in the day.

  • @romairoblackstock5100
    @romairoblackstock5100 Год назад +1

    Its important to note that what you tested was a mid-level trim. You can get a fully digital gauge cluster and a better reverse camera system in higher trims

    • @eleanormassaro5195
      @eleanormassaro5195 Год назад +1

      Plus the 360 degree and front camera on the Limited trim

  • @Ocieandme
    @Ocieandme Год назад +9

    Great video! When you compared the seats between the Venza and a Rav 4, were you comparing it with an XLE or just an LE? I find that the XLE has FAR superior seats to the LE. I'm currently trying to choose between ordering a 2024 Venza and a Rav 4 XLE this coming fall. Also, do you have any idea why Toyota doesn't have a towing hitch option or rated towing capacity for the Venza, but you can get it on the Rav4? All info you can provide is greatly appreciated!

  • @jamesholloway2284
    @jamesholloway2284 Год назад +4

    Ryan, Great content for us car geeks!

  • @semectual
    @semectual Год назад +2

    20:02 _ The red color on the Varla e-scooter matches the Toyota Venza Pretty Well!

  • @maxih2877
    @maxih2877 Год назад +1

    I like these sortta experimental videos. Thank u much sir.

  • @billlyl3725
    @billlyl3725 Год назад +1

    Scooters and Livestock, Ryan’s new sub channel

    • @billlyl3725
      @billlyl3725 Год назад

      I didn’t even know about your Riding Sports channel so count me in!

  • @adamblakeley5865
    @adamblakeley5865 Год назад +3

    I know it was mentioned that the ride was decent. But in watching the video, especially on the road that you ran the 0-60 test, it seemed, from just looking at the vibrations in the steering wheel and the sharp jostling in your shoulders, that the ride was pretty stiff. Was that the case or was the suspension softer than it looked in the video?

  • @Doc1855
    @Doc1855 Год назад +3

    Great review Ryan !
    I looked at a new Venza last year but I couldn’t get past the dark drab interior colors. It made me feel claustrophobic.
    Furthermore my insurance premiums would have gone up by $1K per year.
    Ultimately I chose the Forester Touring and my insurance premiums Dropped by $300 per year after selling my 11 Rav 4WD Limited.

    • @huntstyle
      @huntstyle Год назад +2

      That's a huge difference in insurance. Why is there that big of a difference?

    • @sacredpredictions3302
      @sacredpredictions3302 Год назад +4

      @@huntstyle Also wondering why. I just got a 2023 rav4 hybrid SE and my insurance stayed the exact same as my 2014 Forester I was getting rid of

    • @TT-rk8mi
      @TT-rk8mi Год назад +1

      You must mean $1k per year?

    • @Doc1855
      @Doc1855 Год назад +1

      @@TT-rk8mi yes, $1K per Year

  • @Babu-of2xh
    @Babu-of2xh Год назад

    very nice, i have ordered limited one. its coming 0n 16th oct. Thanks for the video

  • @ojdtube
    @ojdtube Год назад +5

    I wanna see the CX50 on this trail

  • @lexchan4
    @lexchan4 Год назад +7

    That exhaust pipe was bent pretty badly at 11:37

  • @8VD80Y
    @8VD80Y Год назад +3

    You always stop the car in the worst spot and then expect it to pull itself out. We can see how the system works without you stopping

  • @bc4198
    @bc4198 Год назад +11

    Lol, you're the lunatic we've needed.
    "You can't take this four-wheeling."
    "It's got four wheels, doesn't it?"

  • @viralshah8418
    @viralshah8418 Год назад +2

    Great car, can't seem to find it anywhere locally, over 8 month wait and that too my options/ trim isn't guaranteed.

  • @EZapar
    @EZapar Год назад +2

    Dude!! You literally had that thing on 2 wheels. cool

  • @bLuDrGn2011
    @bLuDrGn2011 Год назад +4

    I enjoy your review of the Venza. You don't immediately nitpick the small cargo space or the weird location of the power button. Also, showing the offroad capabilities is a plus.
    One test I think you should add to your review is ambient cabin noise, so we can compare how noisy the rides are between cars.

  • @doseofdoug8871
    @doseofdoug8871 Год назад

    What a test drive this is!😅😊great!

  • @ruzzelladrian907
    @ruzzelladrian907 Год назад +3

    Show us an Acura MDX or RDX with SH-AWD climb that small course. Would be fun to watch.

  • @lisaw7633
    @lisaw7633 Год назад

    They should have put 2 usbc in the rear cupholder area. And no plug in in the cargo area is nuts. Great review. I'll wait and see what Mazda Cx70 has in store

  • @jax1079
    @jax1079 Год назад +3

    Haha! I always tell people that the Venza is kind of underrated… but I’m not sure this is what I had in mind 😂 Great video! (And great concept.)

  • @KenCheng
    @KenCheng Год назад +3

    Wouldn't the EV mode be useful in bumper to bumper traffic?

    • @Kuttie03
      @Kuttie03 Год назад

      Right. I use it that way.

  • @mickeybrumfield764
    @mickeybrumfield764 Год назад

    Sure have a knack for scooter riding, don't know where you learned that from but it is quite a talent.

  • @dinomino713
    @dinomino713 Год назад +2

    RAV4 prime hands down

  • @johnoswaldfebresjr.4318
    @johnoswaldfebresjr.4318 Год назад +2

    Have you been able to get a rivian in hand?

  • @ahbenjamin2889
    @ahbenjamin2889 Год назад +2

    Ryan did you say it has a 3.5 litre engine or was that a misstatement.
    One other thing why does Toyota never mention the torque numbers for their hybrid models ?

    • @drivingsports
      @drivingsports  Год назад +3

      Yup, misspoke. I had it correct in the script, too: 2.5L.

  • @Lokera88
    @Lokera88 11 месяцев назад

    It's intersting that Toyota chose the name Venza for the car, considering that it means toilet seat (benza) in Japanese. I'm not sure about their decision making process, but I still love the car.

  • @Superfastjellyfish669
    @Superfastjellyfish669 Год назад +1

    Does anyone else not like the placement of the auto break hold button?

  • @jasonsong86
    @jasonsong86 Год назад +2

    Did they downgrade the Venza? It used to be a smaller Highlander. Now it's on the RAV4 platform?

    • @eleanormassaro5195
      @eleanormassaro5195 Год назад +1

      The previous generation Venza was like a station wagon or sport wagon, and it had a choice of a four-cylinder and a six cylinder engine, and the new one is a bit smaller and has the same Hybrid engine and powertrain as the RAV4. But the Venza is much more luxurious than the RAV4. It is almost Lexus-like!

  • @pablomoreno1999
    @pablomoreno1999 Год назад +3

    Awd wasn't that bad... both fronts were spinning at the same time as the rear. Not xmode good but i think tyres and mud tricked you a bit. Or at least that's the impression i got
    How does the awd work? Is it a 2nd motor at the rear as well?

    • @Thissandthat
      @Thissandthat Год назад +2

      It actually has two electric motors upfront, and a 3rd on the rear axle. It’s a very reliable low maintenance AWD system Toyota has been using since the 2006 model year in the highlander and RX hybrids

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers Год назад

      Rear axle is powered by Q610 electric motor, 40 kW / 120 Nm, rear axle capability is almost 1300 Nm. The problem is the starting torque, these systems were never as capable as the classic ones with the driveshaft.

  • @atmartens
    @atmartens Год назад +3

    It's a very nice vehicle! I think the black trim looks nice...now. I think overtime, it would get scratched up. The interior also looks much nicer.

  • @Doncan0823
    @Doncan0823 Год назад +1

    👌😂 Now that’s a big 4 cylinder engine. Even you noticed the mistake after saying it. Great review as always.

  • @SethPinnock
    @SethPinnock Год назад +2

    Please see if it's profitable to test any non wilderness version (non X2 modes) of Subaru and if possible the new trax or any similar 2WD crossover with 'traction modes) over the new improved course. 😊

  • @joshgutierrez7380
    @joshgutierrez7380 9 месяцев назад

    The biggest issue with this system is that the rear motor simply isn’t powerful enough. It’s a smart idea, but it just doesn’t have enough power to get it over obstacles when only the rear has traction

  • @eliothrivera10
    @eliothrivera10 Год назад

    It was heartbreaking hear the struggle of that SUV, finally interior design is nicer in Toyota's cars

  • @vishalchand9109
    @vishalchand9109 Год назад +1

    Nice car. Would definitely consider down the road.

  • @fartman10284
    @fartman10284 Год назад +1

    If the aftermarket can make a LSD for the rear open differential, it would be nice... but that probably means you would have to use something other than Toyota-WS ATF, which then makes the car a tad less efficient
    Also, I noticed the front wheels transferring power, but... the all-season street tires just didn't grip the wet dirt.

  • @powerguymark
    @powerguymark Год назад +2

    First of all thank you for the video. I truly enjoy your reviews. You do an excellent job.
    I have owned a 2021 Venza Limited since January of 2021. The Stargaze of is an expensive gimmick. It doesn't open and prevents you from having roof rails if you want to haul something like a kayak.
    I do love the JBL sound system the Limited, having test drove several RAV4 hybrids, for some reason the JBL sound system just sounds better in the Venzà. The Venza seats are more comfortable as well. We had 8 inches of snow immediately after purchasing this car. I took it out to an empty parking lot to test the reaction time of the all-wheel-drive and it performed flawlessly. It's also very helpful with mitigating hydroplaning.
    The upgraded infotainment system would be a welcome upgrade from the crappy one I've got in my 2021 Venza. My real-world gas mileage consistently hovers around 43mpg from tank to tank.
    Although you cannot leave a Venza in Sport mode, I nearly always use Sport mode because it not only adjusts throttle response it also sends more power to the rear 54hp electric motor which provides instantaneous torque when maneuvering in high traffic and doesn't seem to hurt my fuel economy. It truly is a Lexus-lite compared to the 2022 RAV4 Limited hybrid I purchased for my mom. Moving forward I'm going to rotate her 2022 RAV4 out and rotate a 2023/24 Venza in keeping the 2021 Venza.
    The Venza is not a race car, but it is an excellent daily driver. I could not be more pleased.

  • @CRVgarage
    @CRVgarage Год назад

    When you are traveling in the city, put the spare tire in the garage & you have a secret underfloor storage.

  • @armax1980
    @armax1980 Год назад +1

    good luck on trying to find one without dealer mark ups.

    • @Katie-vy5rd
      @Katie-vy5rd Год назад

      I keep hearing this... what city you in? State?

  • @RealABGamerBoy
    @RealABGamerBoy Год назад +1

    I have seen these cars in real life. They look bigger in real life than in video

    • @radguurl
      @radguurl Год назад +2

      It's like Dr. Who's phone booth, bigger on the inside than the outside 😂😊

  • @chengyan3056
    @chengyan3056 Год назад +3

    3.5 4 cylinder?

    • @RealABGamerBoy
      @RealABGamerBoy Год назад +2

      I think he ment 2.5L

    • @chengyan3056
      @chengyan3056 Год назад

      Yeah, I am just dreaming about a 3.5 V6 Toyota compact SUV.

    • @RealABGamerBoy
      @RealABGamerBoy Год назад

      Ya but unfortunately that's not the case anyone they all going hybrids

  • @astikusfull
    @astikusfull Год назад

    Hello, what a nice scooter you have. When will we see the New Outlander Phev on a 4x4 route on your channel?

  • @1RungAtATime
    @1RungAtATime 7 месяцев назад

    18:43 The built-in navigation sucks, but the voice works well, lol. FYI, both navigation and voice stop working after the 1 year trial.

  • @jacklo325
    @jacklo325 Год назад

    So after you hit 25mph, the EV mode shuts off. What happened if you stop again? Are you back in full EV mode?

    • @drivingsports
      @drivingsports  Год назад +1

      Nope. Have to hit the button again.

    • @jacklo325
      @jacklo325 Год назад

      @@drivingsports Wow, that's kinda useless, and thanks for the explanation.

    • @rylans.5365
      @rylans.5365 Год назад +5

      @@jacklo325 it’s not useless. It should really be utilized for small neighborhoods, indoor parking structures, and other noise and pollution sensitive areas to ensure that the gas engine will not come on even under 25 mph because sometimes it will.

  • @caden7864
    @caden7864 Год назад +1

    This is a great example of crossovers are not SUVs. A stock 4runner would eat this up in 2wd.

    • @SethPinnock
      @SethPinnock Год назад +2

      Sure but, not even close to the same comfort level or fuel efficiency. So if you live out in open country with 100% chance of rock slides or tree fall you SHOULD get the 4Runer

    • @jmichael6931
      @jmichael6931 Год назад +1

      Yeah, obviously, but you would also be driving around for literally double the cost of gas. Both of these vehicles have a target audience with little overlap. This is probably the top end of what anyone who purchases this vehicle would intend to do.

  • @Buc_Stops_Here
    @Buc_Stops_Here Год назад

    I would think this would do almost exactly the same as the Toyota RAV4 Hybrid since it is the same powertrain, same wheelbase, the Venza is slightly longer, and about 0.2 inches less clearance weighing about 200 lbs. more. So if this is greatly different from that SUV I would be shocked.

  • @pasqmarabella9154
    @pasqmarabella9154 Год назад +2

    Let me think. Would I take any CUV off road? NO

  • @rkevin187
    @rkevin187 Год назад +5

    Great updates to Chicken Run! Would love to see the Mav Tremor tackle it!

  • @RobertCarrizal
    @RobertCarrizal Год назад +1

    like a highlander for engine

  • @语过添情-w7p
    @语过添情-w7p Год назад +1

    每集都看,喜欢你的测试视频

  • @KROMO50
    @KROMO50 Год назад +9

    Does that chicken come with the car?

  • @y2z64
    @y2z64 6 месяцев назад

    In some market toyota provides a FWD version, same lol

  • @tsizzle
    @tsizzle Год назад

    Hi Ryan, any plans to test the RAV4 woodland?

    • @drivingsports
      @drivingsports  Год назад +1

      Still waiting for one to show up. 🤷‍♂️

  • @bogart5131
    @bogart5131 Год назад

    i think this is better when they put turbo in it

  • @jacobtoone9051
    @jacobtoone9051 Год назад

    you messed up and said 3.5L-4cyl. Its a 2.5L, The 3.5 was a V6 that Toyota discontinued.

  • @56philt
    @56philt Год назад

    Is that the boulder gray leather interior?

  • @hudsonatlantis6754
    @hudsonatlantis6754 Год назад

    What is the NM and KW output of the 3.5 liter engine?

    • @drivingsports
      @drivingsports  Год назад +1

      Sorry, it's a 2.5L (mistake in video). Toyota doesn't break out the Nm/KW for the US-spec engine.

  • @uberboiz
    @uberboiz Год назад

    I wish this was available in Australia. :(

  • @witsendcottage595
    @witsendcottage595 Год назад

    Does the panoramic sunroof open up?

  • @nhsajib69
    @nhsajib69 Год назад +1

    What is the ground clearance of this car? It’s ground clarence is 7.7 inches??

    • @drivingsports
      @drivingsports  Год назад +6

      8.1”

    • @nhsajib69
      @nhsajib69 Год назад +1

      ​@@drivingsports I thought it’s around 7.7 inches. Do they increased it’s clarence?

  • @cherrylicious2
    @cherrylicious2 Год назад

    do the rear seats recline at all??

    • @dawntreader007
      @dawntreader007 7 месяцев назад +1

      They do a little bit. I just got a 2024 XLE and looking forward to a road trip once I break it in.

  • @Thankyou_3
    @Thankyou_3 Год назад +2

    Nice vehicle but I am not a fan of the black rims and black trims.

  • @jimb4957
    @jimb4957 Год назад

    Looks a lot like Bainbridge Island!

  • @toddac61
    @toddac61 9 месяцев назад

    The 2024 added the 360 camera

    • @1RungAtATime
      @1RungAtATime 7 месяцев назад

      Unfortunately the 360 camera is still a Limited only feature.

  • @minipandora22
    @minipandora22 Год назад +1

    #Venza 🏁

  • @lihuaqiu1917
    @lihuaqiu1917 Год назад

    It’s called Venza in China as well.

  • @keyner111
    @keyner111 Год назад

    Test the new Outlander PHEV.

  • @ckm-mkc
    @ckm-mkc Год назад

    Too bad they don't offer a PHEV version - with the higher ground clearance and high MPG it would be class leading....

  • @northerners2828
    @northerners2828 Год назад +1

    I like the electric scooter

  • @yissibiiyte
    @yissibiiyte Год назад +5

    Toyota and Hyundai/Kia seem to be in a competition to make the worst AWD system.

  • @lilpeppa117G
    @lilpeppa117G Год назад +1

    I'd love to see the Tuscon hybrid on dirt instead of rocks

    • @mexiguido1
      @mexiguido1 Год назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/FvFcsfGijvE/видео.html

  • @Normstering
    @Normstering Год назад

    Does the wide center console make it it uncomfortable for your knee?

  • @tinhinnh
    @tinhinnh Год назад +1

    $1100 for some black paint? 😮

  • @Paulygoku
    @Paulygoku Год назад

    nice car but soo expensive especially with toyotas crazy dealer markups

  • @blitzy99
    @blitzy99 Год назад +1

    Sorry Ryan, but why would you drive all the way to the woods for hiking trails and then stand around on an electric scooter getting essentially zero exercise? I’m an avid hiker and the whole point is to go outside and get some exercise. No wonder everyone is getting so plump. Jeeze.

  • @billlyl3725
    @billlyl3725 Год назад

    That is one very worried chicken. Put that on a t-shirt

  • @moloono1
    @moloono1 Год назад +2

    I’d like to see 6’1” legs and torso Disproportionate 😂

  • @truthflatearth
    @truthflatearth Год назад

    Xm. Is terrestrial....

  • @ໄມຊົງ-ຊ8ຢ
    @ໄມຊົງ-ຊ8ຢ Год назад

    ❤❤❤❤

  • @FullyBakedFINN
    @FullyBakedFINN Год назад

    You'd be the first and last person to take a venza off roading

  • @belowme4927
    @belowme4927 Год назад

    THE CHICKEN DIDN'T LIKE THE VENZA
    0:23

  • @KevinLin145
    @KevinLin145 Год назад +2

    comment for chicken

  • @РоманПоляев
    @РоманПоляев Год назад

    Hi guys! you are lucky that you are protected from the expansion of Chinese cars into your market, you still have the opportunity to get high on Japanese cars

  • @haroldbeauchamp3770
    @haroldbeauchamp3770 Год назад +3

    Blacked-out trims are dead Toyota! Get with the times. That aside the Venza is a great package at an affordable price. However, the lack of real leather even on the highest trim is a huge disappointment. Softex is a rubbery, cheap feeling cost-cutting measure that doesn’t fool anyone. Also a major safety issue is the bumper-mounted rear turn signals. Completely invisible to other traffic in many situations. I’m aware of aftermarket programming to use the brake lights for turn signals on Kia’s (another large offender of bumper turn signals).