"Trump is the celebrity king of anti-wisdom." The Japanese have a lovely word that we need to bring into the English language, "hah-men-kyo-shi." It means "backwards teacher," someone who teaches us all by their bad example.
Man, I love your videos. I can feel my brain growing when I listen to them. I’m saving this one to re-watch many times, as my ‘infinite curiosity” needs to be fed regularly. Thank you. BTW, I LOVE the word “psychoproctology”! That’s a mental effort we all need to engage in regularly.
The Trumpers remind me a lot of my parents. Whatever they think, that’s reality. Like Robert Anton Wilson said, they conflate the map with the terrain; i.e, in their minds, the map *is* the terrain.
Time needs to factor more heavily in the diagnosis. Urgency limits what time we spend on thinking before reaching conclusions. It's not that we can't think more about the topic, but the urgency of action tells us that the time has expired. For example: We just need to build a 1500 mile wall to keep Guatemalan families from walking to Lebanon Kansas. If you don't agree, we don't really have time to discuss it. Or: We learned about gender as a social construct and realize nothing in our society respects transgender. It's an emergency to make that right. We don't have time to think about the educational mission of high school sports. We don't have time to think about what we ought to do. We only have time for the first answer we thought of. If you don't agree, we don't have time to discuss it. A reason why we don't have time, is that some issues are really complicated and require grounding in science that was not available to learn 20 years ago. No individual can be an expert plumber, neurologist, foreign policy expert while working their day job of accounting. There is no viable path forward except for accepting that there are things I can not know and then learning to evaluate the assumptions and the process being used to make decisions so that I can know something about everything.
Julia Galef did a Ted talk and wrote a book about what she calls Scout Mindset. Scout Mindset is one of curiosity and intellectual growth as opposed to Soldier Mindset which is primarily pride and confirmation bias. Worth a look.
Socrates was wrong when he said the unexamined life is not worth living. Most life is unexamined and the examined life is awkward and painful. Only last week I noticed that the first rule of the subconscious is never be aware of the subconscious. I noticed that assholes or absolutists will psychologize their rivals' subconscious til the cows come home but they act like they have come by their opinions exclusively through conscious rational thought. Denying any potential for ulterior motives is a powerful base from which to accuse others of ulterior motives.
I often think that science and religion can coexist, though this necessitates an open-minded approach, which can be challenging for Christians. Consequently, I've come to the conclusion that Christians, and I may be overgeneralizing since I identify with this group, often find themselves at odds with science. That said, I've also noticed life's tendency to violate the law of entropy. We could be onto something.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Computers "store information." I agree with you that we have a unique capacity to store information. I would argue that it's because of our symbol competency (our capacity to use symbols like language). Our research project works to distinguish what's equivocated in the sciences now. Is a pattern or form information? Is a computer interpreting information? We'd argue anything is potential information. It becomes information when it becomes about something for some organism trying to achieve something.
@jeremyshermanPhD many species of animals communicate using different types of vocalism or other no verbal means, but what defferenats humans from all other animals, as I see it, is our (humans )ability to "store" information, in many different forms
@@kensmith8997 That too is important. Still, even before writing there were myths. There's a difference between animal vocalizations and human vocalization. In semiotics the distinction is between icons and indexes on the one hand and symbols which are maintained by social convention which is like a social memory regardress of whether it's written down. Of course, you're welcome to disagree. You're unlikely to persuade me though. I've studied semiotics and biosemiotics for decades and see the difference between us as other critters as our ability to conceive what isn't immediately present. I wonder though whether you have any disagreement with my main point there: We can conceive what other critters can't.
@@jeremyshermanPhD my ignorance on the subject may keep me from understanding it, and I'm over simplifying the subject, just something I've been muling about recently, and your insite is helpful, thank you
@@kensmith8997 A lot of academics don't see it the way we do (Neuroscientist Terry Deacon, me and our lab). As we see it memory starts with biological inheritance. Of course, there's memory before that in that if a rock falls off a cliff it can leave a mark on the ground. But that mark isn't information. It's potential information but only when it's about something for someone trying to do something. See, to us there's this. Information isn't some non-material substance that travels around magically between us like spirit or other supernatural stuff. We have to explain how information emerges within nothing but matter. So start with this. Information is form, for example these letters on the screen. Matter can take on different forms and forms can pass from matter to matter for example, in a teacup factory where different matter is formed into the same form. A lot of researchers are sloppy about what they call information. Is it just pattern transfer? Is it some non-material substance? Or the way we think, any form can be information but only when it's interpreted as about something for someone trying to do something. A stop sign doesn't cause you to stop unless you crash into it. Rather we interpret it as about traffic for our aim to not die or get a ticket. You're on to something important though. When the mediums we interpret change, for example DNA, barking, speaking vs. writing vs. print, radio, TV, YT, AI etc, there are big changes. There are changes in what I call brain and heart velcro. We remember different stuff. That's a big issue with social media. Some people attribute all our current woes to internet media. I think it's an important contributing factor but I'm taking a longer view. I've been focusing on how language as a medium made us radically different from bears and potato bugs. ;-) Thanks for your curiosity!
Everyone has had at some point a relationship that, when looked at in retrospect, causes them to say "WTF was I THINKING??" That is what I was sure Trump 2016 supporters would end up saying after a year or two. But no.
Me too though absolutism is as forever as it gets. Once one gets addicted to declaring oneself right no matter what, there'd be little reason to stop and little cost to continuing.
That's just it - they don't believe anything Trump says is a lie. So, why bother to fact check someone who doesn't lie? That's one layer of the cult mentality.
@@janycebrown4071 That sounds like a Maga slogan. Don't trust what you see or hear is exactly what DJT has said. The only thing I can trust is my own judgment.
JP is not my cuppa tea. He starts his first book by pretending he's just left Plato's cave, stripped off all illusion and will now deduce the truth. I stopped reading after that introduction. Whatever he was peddling was not some asshole-proofed ideology (just another fucking lifestyle brand that assholes can exploit). He wants it pat. He never expresses any curiosity. No question for which he hasn't already got an answer. I don't know whether it's possible to come up with an asshole proofed ideology but what inspired this series was me taking that question off the back burner. I assume that the bedrock of reality keeps pulling the rug out from under itself, and the biggest cosmic wedgie from Darwin was that there is no eternal surefire formula. I'm a devout ironist and fallibilist. My mantra is no matter how confident I am in a bet, I remain still more confident that it is a bet." That doesn't sell like JP.
Does our desire to have our egos stroked, cause us to gravitate around people and groups that value our mutual confirmation bias? Does our constant pursuit of feeling valuable, and feeling that we have meaning to our lives, makes us develop a blind spot, to how we are becoming a Sisyphus in the making? I'm at a point in my life where I have very little self-esteem and struggle with my own introspection in a positive light. I feel so ignorant of my own motivations let alone understanding what motivates others.
eh. i'm 60. i WAS a child genius, finished my high school education in 2nd grade, tested for mensa, found to have one of the highest IQs around (over 180) and suffered horrible low self-esteem until I was in my late 40s. I analyzed my life with the intent of living as well as possible, and I realized that choosing to have a low self-esteem was self-defeating. With that realization, I boosted my self esteem over the years, to the point where I realize that I am amazing, and perfect, as I am (lol, jeremy says 'perfection' AFTER I typed that word) and that I could feel that way ;WITHOUT FEELING SUPERIOR TO OTHERS, OR FEELING INFERIOR TO OTHERS. That point is crucial. If you feel superior to others, you end up like Trump, MAGA, Jordan Peterson, etc. If you feel inferior to others, that puts you in the victim stance. WHen you realize that The Pope, the PResident, your favorite artists or celebrity ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU, then you start having the power to center your self-esteem. Think about it; the pope is just a dude, a dork who doesn't get laid. He's no better than anyone else, and as an anti-theist, I know that he isn't in touch with the nonexistent god. Dunno if you've ever tried LSD or shrooms, both of those substances help to unlock the power of GOING BEYOND SELF REFLECTION , incessant self-reflection is the reason we have self-esteem issues. by destroying or deconstructing self esteem, for a few hours at a time, via psychedelics, it's much easier to put the ego in check, when in the real world. I've taken LOTS of LSD and shrooms, they're fun, and help you relax, and get over your neurosis, and to go beyond our pitiful egos. They show us how sad and pathetic egotism and patheticism (my word) is... I recommend them, if you haven't tried. Start with low doses, and do it while you're alone. after you feel comfortable, try a really large dose of either. i've done massive doses of both, they're very instructive. small doses are also nice, and one can work or function normally while microdosing. a pleasant side effect of psychedelics is that for several days afterwards, everything seems to work better; the mind is sharper, everything flows better, and there is no downturn after that side effect wears off
@@jimmythebold589 Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it very much! I have been disabled with declining health conditions since 2015. I began questioning my religious beliefs (Christian fundamentalism) a few years before, and after several years of research, reading books, and listening to varying opinions, I slowly came to realize that I didn't have sufficient reasons to believe any longer. My work friends stopped reaching out to me, as they often will when you don't see each other on a daily basis. I use to visit family when I could, but now I've been house bound for the past 5 years and my family has abandoned me, probably due to the fact that they're all Christian fundamentalist fearing the one atheist in the family. My 83 year old mother is the only family member that visits me, and we tend to argue often. She tends to talk over the top of me, and misconstrue much of what I have to say. Mostly about the emotional neglect from the rest of my family. I have a girlfriend who lives with me and loves me, but I've become such a burden on her I'm shocked she hasn't left me yet. There are times I have lashed out at her due to how much I suffer, which causes her suffering, which makes me suffer even more due to my immense regret of considering how I have verbally abused her. She used to be a Christian like myself, but after living with me, she has become a nonbeliever as well, and I imagine her family blames me for "corrupting her". My low self-esteem isn't rooted in me thinking poorly of myself. It's rooted in the fact that I can no longer do physical activities anymore, most of those I know have no interest in my thoughts and opinions, and those that do value me, I'm a huge burden to. Needless to say, all this has sent me spiraling into a deep depression. I've lost hope in any real future and will most likely fade to oblivion within the next five to ten years. There's so much more I left out, but the last thing I want to do is burden folks on here about my pathetic life.
@@jimmythebold589 I appreciate your thoughts, Thank you. My lack of self-esteem is rooted to situations in my life that are out of my control. I'm home bound disabled for the last 5 years, and rely on the only two people in my life that haven't abandoned me, to burden with my needs. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
@@jimmythebold589 I am glad you didn't claim to have an IQ higher than the Christopher Langan's IQ claim. To be honest with you, I only see IQ tests as people being good at taking IQ tests. I scored over a 150 on mine.
Wisdom is the knowing to look both ways when crossing a one-way street.
That's a really good one. Don't expect others to follow the rules.
Expect the unexpected!
Your words are so refreshing 🩵
This! This is so good! Fantastic! Every single person should watch this! ❤
"Trump is the celebrity king of anti-wisdom."
The Japanese have a lovely word that we need to bring into the English language, "hah-men-kyo-shi." It means "backwards teacher," someone who teaches us all by their bad example.
Love that.
Excellent lecture, thank you. I have been recommending your channel to people in my orbit. 💙☮️
I need better friends than the knuckleheads with whom I associate!
Man, I love your videos. I can feel my brain growing when I listen to them. I’m saving this one to re-watch many times, as my ‘infinite curiosity” needs to be fed regularly. Thank you. BTW, I LOVE the word “psychoproctology”! That’s a mental effort we all need to engage in regularly.
You're very refreshing to listen to, imperfect, but perfecting!
The Trumpers remind me a lot of my parents. Whatever they think, that’s reality. Like Robert Anton Wilson said, they conflate the map with the terrain; i.e, in their minds, the map *is* the terrain.
Thank you Sir.
Well done!
WISDOM. 💜
Time needs to factor more heavily in the diagnosis.
Urgency limits what time we spend on thinking before reaching conclusions.
It's not that we can't think more about the topic, but the urgency of action tells us that the time has expired.
For example:
We just need to build a 1500 mile wall to keep Guatemalan families from walking to Lebanon Kansas. If you don't agree, we don't really have time to discuss it.
Or:
We learned about gender as a social construct and realize nothing in our society respects transgender. It's an emergency to make that right.
We don't have time to think about the educational mission of high school sports. We don't have time to think about what we ought to do. We only have time for the first answer we thought of. If you don't agree, we don't have time to discuss it.
A reason why we don't have time, is that some issues are really complicated and require grounding in science that was not available to learn 20 years ago. No individual can be an expert plumber, neurologist, foreign policy expert while working their day job of accounting. There is no viable path forward except for accepting that there are things I can not know and then learning to evaluate the assumptions and the process being used to make decisions so that I can know something about everything.
Julia Galef did a Ted talk and wrote a book about what she calls Scout Mindset. Scout Mindset is one of curiosity and intellectual growth as opposed to Soldier Mindset which is primarily pride and confirmation bias. Worth a look.
Is your diagnosis that assholes don't give a rip about self reflection to make themselves more likable to anybody?
Socrates was wrong when he said the unexamined life is not worth living. Most life is unexamined and the examined life is awkward and painful. Only last week I noticed that the first rule of the subconscious is never be aware of the subconscious. I noticed that assholes or absolutists will psychologize their rivals' subconscious til the cows come home but they act like they have come by their opinions exclusively through conscious rational thought. Denying any potential for ulterior motives is a powerful base from which to accuse others of ulterior motives.
@jeremyshermanPhD It seems they like to argue just for the sake of arguing. It's sport. I'm not immune.😊
I often think that science and religion can coexist, though this necessitates an open-minded approach, which can be challenging for Christians. Consequently, I've come to the conclusion that Christians, and I may be overgeneralizing since I identify with this group, often find themselves at odds with science. That said, I've also noticed life's tendency to violate the law of entropy. We could be onto something.
Language, yes but mostly "humans " ability to store information and to understand that information
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Computers "store information." I agree with you that we have a unique capacity to store information. I would argue that it's because of our symbol competency (our capacity to use symbols like language). Our research project works to distinguish what's equivocated in the sciences now. Is a pattern or form information? Is a computer interpreting information? We'd argue anything is potential information. It becomes information when it becomes about something for some organism trying to achieve something.
@jeremyshermanPhD many species of animals communicate using different types of vocalism or other no verbal means, but what defferenats humans from all other animals, as I see it, is our (humans )ability to "store" information, in many different forms
@@kensmith8997 That too is important. Still, even before writing there were myths. There's a difference between animal vocalizations and human vocalization. In semiotics the distinction is between icons and indexes on the one hand and symbols which are maintained by social convention which is like a social memory regardress of whether it's written down. Of course, you're welcome to disagree. You're unlikely to persuade me though. I've studied semiotics and biosemiotics for decades and see the difference between us as other critters as our ability to conceive what isn't immediately present. I wonder though whether you have any disagreement with my main point there: We can conceive what other critters can't.
@@jeremyshermanPhD my ignorance on the subject may keep me from understanding it, and I'm over simplifying the subject, just something I've been muling about recently, and your insite is helpful, thank you
@@kensmith8997 A lot of academics don't see it the way we do (Neuroscientist Terry Deacon, me and our lab). As we see it memory starts with biological inheritance. Of course, there's memory before that in that if a rock falls off a cliff it can leave a mark on the ground. But that mark isn't information. It's potential information but only when it's about something for someone trying to do something. See, to us there's this. Information isn't some non-material substance that travels around magically between us like spirit or other supernatural stuff. We have to explain how information emerges within nothing but matter. So start with this. Information is form, for example these letters on the screen. Matter can take on different forms and forms can pass from matter to matter for example, in a teacup factory where different matter is formed into the same form.
A lot of researchers are sloppy about what they call information. Is it just pattern transfer? Is it some non-material substance? Or the way we think, any form can be information but only when it's interpreted as about something for someone trying to do something. A stop sign doesn't cause you to stop unless you crash into it. Rather we interpret it as about traffic for our aim to not die or get a ticket.
You're on to something important though. When the mediums we interpret change, for example DNA, barking, speaking vs. writing vs. print, radio, TV, YT, AI etc, there are big changes. There are changes in what I call brain and heart velcro. We remember different stuff. That's a big issue with social media. Some people attribute all our current woes to internet media. I think it's an important contributing factor but I'm taking a longer view. I've been focusing on how language as a medium made us radically different from bears and potato bugs. ;-)
Thanks for your curiosity!
Everyone has had at some point a relationship that, when looked at in retrospect, causes them to say "WTF was I THINKING??" That is what I was sure Trump 2016 supporters would end up saying after a year or two. But no.
Me too though absolutism is as forever as it gets. Once one gets addicted to declaring oneself right no matter what, there'd be little reason to stop and little cost to continuing.
Stop believing lies! Stop trusting your thoughts 🤔
That's just it - they don't believe anything Trump says is a lie. So, why bother to fact check someone who doesn't lie?
That's one layer of the cult mentality.
My thoughts are exactly what i lestened too almost 10 years ago when i decided i didnt like Trump or his movement...
@@janycebrown4071 That sounds like a Maga slogan. Don't trust what you see or hear is exactly what DJT has said. The only thing I can trust is my own judgment.
@paultaylor914 Tuck ConOld fRUMP
Okay but back to the part where you came up with the idea of trump… lol don’t do that again please
Agreed! Look at the mess you got us into with "your creation" of the "hah-men-kyo-shi" / "backwards teacher"!!! rotflmfao 🤣
I'm not sure what you mean but if you mean don't mention that man's name in my household again, I get it. And I probably will anyway. ;-)
Your content needs the Jordan Peterson bump.
Uhh okay. But I get the feeling he's talking ABOUT JP.
@@paultaylor914 I think the two could have a very good conversation.
@First.nameLastname I agree, it would be interesting.
JP is not my cuppa tea. He starts his first book by pretending he's just left Plato's cave, stripped off all illusion and will now deduce the truth. I stopped reading after that introduction. Whatever he was peddling was not some asshole-proofed ideology (just another fucking lifestyle brand that assholes can exploit). He wants it pat. He never expresses any curiosity. No question for which he hasn't already got an answer. I don't know whether it's possible to come up with an asshole proofed ideology but what inspired this series was me taking that question off the back burner. I assume that the bedrock of reality keeps pulling the rug out from under itself, and the biggest cosmic wedgie from Darwin was that there is no eternal surefire formula. I'm a devout ironist and fallibilist. My mantra is no matter how confident I am in a bet, I remain still more confident that it is a bet." That doesn't sell like JP.
@@jeremyshermanPhD he does have a messiah complex, I will give you that. You seem condecending of him and his content?
Does our desire to have our egos stroked, cause us to gravitate around people and groups that value our mutual confirmation bias? Does our constant pursuit of feeling valuable, and feeling that we have meaning to our lives, makes us develop a blind spot, to how we are becoming a Sisyphus in the making? I'm at a point in my life where I have very little self-esteem and struggle with my own introspection in a positive light. I feel so ignorant of my own motivations let alone understanding what motivates others.
eh. i'm 60. i WAS a child genius, finished my high school education in 2nd grade, tested for mensa, found to have one of the highest IQs around (over 180) and suffered horrible low self-esteem until I was in my late 40s. I analyzed my life with the intent of living as well as possible, and I realized that choosing to have a low self-esteem was self-defeating. With that realization, I boosted my self esteem over the years, to the point where I realize that I am amazing, and perfect, as I am (lol, jeremy says 'perfection' AFTER I typed that word) and that I could feel that way ;WITHOUT FEELING SUPERIOR TO OTHERS, OR FEELING INFERIOR TO OTHERS. That point is crucial. If you feel superior to others, you end up like Trump, MAGA, Jordan Peterson, etc. If you feel inferior to others, that puts you in the victim stance. WHen you realize that The Pope, the PResident, your favorite artists or celebrity ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU, then you start having the power to center your self-esteem. Think about it; the pope is just a dude, a dork who doesn't get laid. He's no better than anyone else, and as an anti-theist, I know that he isn't in touch with the nonexistent god. Dunno if you've ever tried LSD or shrooms, both of those substances help to unlock the power of GOING BEYOND SELF REFLECTION , incessant self-reflection is the reason we have self-esteem issues. by destroying or deconstructing self esteem, for a few hours at a time, via psychedelics, it's much easier to put the ego in check, when in the real world. I've taken LOTS of LSD and shrooms, they're fun, and help you relax, and get over your neurosis, and to go beyond our pitiful egos. They show us how sad and pathetic egotism and patheticism (my word) is... I recommend them, if you haven't tried. Start with low doses, and do it while you're alone. after you feel comfortable, try a really large dose of either. i've done massive doses of both, they're very instructive. small doses are also nice, and one can work or function normally while microdosing. a pleasant side effect of psychedelics is that for several days afterwards, everything seems to work better; the mind is sharper, everything flows better, and there is no downturn after that side effect wears off
@@jimmythebold589 Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it very much!
I have been disabled with declining health conditions since 2015. I began questioning my religious beliefs (Christian fundamentalism) a few years before, and after several years of research, reading books, and listening to varying opinions, I slowly came to realize that I didn't have sufficient reasons to believe any longer.
My work friends stopped reaching out to me, as they often will when you don't see each other on a daily basis.
I use to visit family when I could, but now I've been house bound for the past 5 years and my family has abandoned me, probably due to the fact that they're all Christian fundamentalist fearing the one atheist in the family.
My 83 year old mother is the only family member that visits me, and we tend to argue often. She tends to talk over the top of me, and misconstrue much of what I have to say. Mostly about the emotional neglect from the rest of my family.
I have a girlfriend who lives with me and loves me, but I've become such a burden on her I'm shocked she hasn't left me yet. There are times I have lashed out at her due to how much I suffer, which causes her suffering, which makes me suffer even more due to my immense regret of considering how I have verbally abused her. She used to be a Christian like myself, but after living with me, she has become a nonbeliever as well, and I imagine her family blames me for "corrupting her".
My low self-esteem isn't rooted in me thinking poorly of myself. It's rooted in the fact that I can no longer do physical activities anymore, most of those I know have no interest in my thoughts and opinions, and those that do value me, I'm a huge burden to. Needless to say, all this has sent me spiraling into a deep depression. I've lost hope in any real future and will most likely fade to oblivion within the next five to ten years. There's so much more I left out, but the last thing I want to do is burden folks on here about my pathetic life.
@@jimmythebold589 I appreciate your thoughts, Thank you.
My lack of self-esteem is rooted to situations in my life that are out of my control. I'm home bound disabled for the last 5 years, and rely on the only two people in my life that haven't abandoned me, to burden with my needs. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
@@jimmythebold589 I am glad you didn't claim to have an IQ higher than the Christopher Langan's IQ claim. To be honest with you, I only see IQ tests as people being good at taking IQ tests. I scored over a 150 on mine.
@@jimmythebold589 I don't consider myself a genius either. Simply not average.
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