I feel like if Android were sold, the custom ROM ecosystem could really thrive. These days, you have to hunt for specific phones just to install other OS...
Android hasn't really been open for a very long time. You can't install it on a majority of devices and good like building a generic Google rom from scratch without the manufacturer's drivers. It's open source in name only.
@@ericneo2 I agree but still android is much more flexible than iOS. You can't install iOS on ANY device other than iPhone and you can't build it at all. Android can become much closer than it is right now. At least now you can install Ubuntu touch on SOME android devices if you want. They're rare but it's possible. And I don't think selling Android to any other company like Meta would solve the problem if doesn't make it worse
@@taiwbiit could be that an acquisition by meta wouldn't go through. After all what sense does it make to pass it from one monopoly to another. I also feel like google would sooner set up an independent company whose sole purpose it is to develop core android with significant funding by them, foregoing the short term gains from selling android, rather than give the second biggest data harvester the golden goose and potentially hurting themselves mid to long term. Because thats what its all about. Data. And if google cant use phones for data harvesting as easily, they surely wont let meta do so, since then, very quickly, meta would become the top data harvester and that directly hurts googles bottom line.
Custom roms died not because of Google but because phone companies locked the bootloader to keep you in their rooms. Mostly because of the hardware discount they give you to do business with them.
Thumbs up for the Tuxedo team. Accidents will happen, what counts is how people/companies react to it. Tuxedo obviously did as much as they could short term, and committed to fixing the rest asap. Nice going!
This is important work to maintain a free-market, but not enough of it happens. They should have broken up Microsoft years ago, and they were going to.. except some dodgy weirdness happened at the very last second, the judge was replaced and Microsoft miraculously got off the hook.
@@lellyparker This seems to always be how it is for corporations. Justice is just suspiciously too slow and clumsy to get the job done every time and they end up with slaps on the wrist. Right now, we might not be forced to use one operating system of we want to use any number of apps that are now considered vital for various industries if that had happened.
This is actually not miraculously at all. The fact that Microsoft software dominates the world market is important for the “national security” of the USA or, in other words, for the capabilities of its three-letter agencies.
It was not “dodgy weirdness”. Bush became president, his appointees instituted a more pliant and corporate-friendly DoJ, and, per usual when the GOP comes to power, big business won, and everybody else lost. Don’t be surprised if the exact same thing happens in the Google case regardless of what the outgoing DoJ is trying to do.
The deep gov relies on these huge companies, they can't let them break apart and lose power while they are in need of them, so they would do anything to keep them on top including replacing judges.
The original steam controller was ahead of its time as a concept. Now that they had time to refine the tech on the Steam Deck the steam controller 2 could be a better alternative to the other high quality controllers, specially so because those have increased in price significantly without any noticeable innovative changes.
God I wish I got a steam controller or 2 imported when they were 20 bucks. It looks so cool but I can't justify paying 200 bucks for a scalpers chest of new in box supply.
@@BeefIngot Sorry, I wasn't meaning to! :/ Just meant how glad I was that we have one. I wish I could get another one - sick of blimmin Xbox controllers constantly getting stick drift whereas the Steam controller is still going strong after many years. I just about choked when I saw the price for a second hand one on Ebay :( Hopefully there is indeed a new model coming out that will be affordable or at least drive down the price of the old ones!
As much as we'd like that, it almost certainly won't happen. Google will find some loophole that allows them to continue maintaining Chrome, if not directly then indirectly.
Before being anti-business, you should be anti artificial monopolies defended by state regulations and laws, and by taxes that destroy their competition.
Even if Chrome disappears, the open source base , chromium will still be there and will get picked up by someone else, so I'm not worried about chrome going away. Now whether an FSF like entity has enough ressources to maintain a web browser is a different story...
It's okay we dont want google inside linux, we do want steam inside linux. I'd much rather have the private company taking its time to develop something with passion than a publicly traded known data digger creepazoid trying to convince the linux space to give up privacy for security.
It is *SO* hard to get involved in the Linux Kernel development, Kent knew what he was getting involved in when they were considering accepting his code, and his attempts to pressure and disrupt something so critical and sensitive seems to suggest he absolutely should not be touching *anything* involved with the Kernel. Trying to enforce time pressure and bypass considerations of safety and caution are classic signs of malicious schemes, so I am now *entirely* convinced that bcachefs was going to be used to attempt to trojan horse in some other kind of backdoor later once people had their guard down.
This is just such an ignorant world view, especially for a software environment with over-the-top code review practices and high barriers of entry. Rather than speculating on an individual if they're trojan horsing, why not just make your project better defended against such things with proactiveness rather than reactiveness while keeping it open for modification?
@@retagainez For how long one can try proactiveness before moving to harder ways? They tried for months, really. Some of the developer has much more patience with that douche that he deserved. I would have done this waaaaaay before.... To be part of the Linux Kernel submiters is a privilege, not a right. You have to follow procedures or we are doomed.
@@retagainez No, _that_ view is somewhat ignorant. No, I am not going to side with OP's conclusion that bcachefs is somehow malicious by design. No, the point is... there _are_ procedures in place to defend the kernel against malicious attempts. And it is those procedures which Kent got sand in his vagina over when those procedures were pointed out to him. So... yeah, the methodology is in place, it did its job... and the person involved then threw a temper tantrum by launching personal attacks. I mean... objectively, it'd be silly not to conclude that Kent is just an arrogant baby who thinks he knows how to work in a team but in reality doesn't have a clue.
@@NreKonkoro-vt2fo but currently on Chromebooks whether there arm or x86 (mying is 13100f) you have to put it in developer mode and then run a script to flash a new bootloader onto it. This is actually quite similar to Androids and the process to unlocking their bootloader, however, it's not clear what will happen if Google has to sell Chrome since Chrome OS is branded off of Chrome. If Chrome OS has also sold, the other company might remove this since the most used for Chromebooks is in schools which unlocking the bootloader would not be helpful in that case
This is not surprising. MS wants to get into the advertisement and search engine business so now Google is being threatened. I wonder how many government lackies MS is keeping on the payroll these days.
Hans Reiser and Kent Overstreet are both exquisite pieces of work. I had the opportunity(?) to meet them both and had to try hard to stay below their thresholds of irritation!
Note, that it seems that requiring a public apology was added by the Linux CoC maintainers recently (practically concurrent to the bcachefs drama) seemingly especially just for this case. Making up the rules as they go. If we're wanting to punish people who's ego makes them think they're exceptions, then it's not a good look to running the same exceptional rule-making in tandem to that behaviour.
@TimothyButterworth they have in my country. Here, their tablets are called iPad and if you say: "Nice tablet", they will respond with: "It's not a tablet, it's an iPad " 😅 But running about it, Apple have actually already gone through some. They changed their plug to USB-C on their iPhones and had to implement RCS, so everyone can talk in group messages 🙂 But it's not completely the same as what Google are going through now. Imagine you have a company, where you have to let go of your own product because of another one of your products are widely used 😮
8:06 my social skills aren’t perfect either, and I agree that using that as an excuse for bad behavior is just plain wrong! Even if this Kent guy genuinely has issues that are understandable, none of it excuses what he did/said/etc.
Exactly, as someone who went into full blown anxiety when talking with anyone, it is _on you_ to ensure that you are able to work collaboratively with others. If not, you should either get help or get someone to converse on your behalf This is unacceptable
@@chillpumkin Something that kinda helps me is typing out my thoughts so I can actually see what I’m trying to say and then make any edits to condense it and streamline it while making sure my thoughts are still getting across! (This is why texting and commenting is very helpful for me! Although I still tend to get a bit wordy and sometimes over think what I’m typing. But I’m still working on it and it’s getting better!)
@@drewo.127 Lmao I guess we all have the same problem, and the same solution :D I too write long comments sometimes. While in the real-world, it takes a while before I can socialize with strangers. Only problem I've encountered is that YT has some wonky filters that may or may not get triggered by such comments. And whatever "rules" they seem to follow, someone breaks them :P
@BeefIngot Easily. Running Linux or Windows software on your phone like it's native software, though some would have to go through an x86-ARM translation layer
I worked at the Oracle World HQ 20+ years ago, and some of the most brilliant and invaluable programmers would fall in this same “A. H.” category. One was do out there, that he had is one handler a a separate off-campus office space. I may have been the closest thing that he had to a friend at work. A acquired much respect for his work, and tolerance for his many foibles.
Off topic-It’s possible I missed it, but I don’t think that you have covered the release of FreeCAD 1.0, which is a big deal for many of us in the FOSS world which is sorely lacking in many good CAD options.
While I agree that ChromeOS being converted to Android won't be a good thing, while Google adopting widely used tool to convert it into a run-of-the-mill Linux distro might have been, there also has been some similarly adjacent news: With the current Android 15 QPR Beta (well, it still is current as it doesn't seem the latest beta is actually already rolling out), for probably the first time in all of the existence of Android, Google actually updates the Kernels for their Pixel devies. You know, like a normal Linux distro would do. Until now, they only backported changes themselves or relied on LTS releases. But now that LTS will be limited to just two years, while more OEMs promise like 5-7 years of updates, a solution had to be found. As it seems, all still supported Pixel devices have been updated to be based on Linux 6.1.99. So whatever Google figured out to make all those closed source driver modules and firmware work on newer Kernels, maybe there is stuff others can profit off too. Like Custom ROMs being easier to create, maybe even Linux distros for the Android Chromebooks, that may still need the Android-Linux Kernel but can otherwise be used as a normal Linux distro. Also I think forcing Google to sell off Chrome or Android would be just plain out dumb. Instead, there should be some control over both, like Chrome needing to adhere to certain standards that would in turn force them to allow proper ad-blocks again and all data collection to be transparent, optional and opt-in - you know, like at least Europe mandates for years already. Fact is, Chrome and Android are the biggest in their categories, selling them would harm everybody. Chrome/Chromium is the base for pretty much every browser and the lead when it comes to developing and adopting web standards. No other company would be able to take over, as literally just Mozilla and Apple are left as competition, and they are already struggling a lot. We don't need all Chromium-based browser to become another Safari, and I honestly don't believe browsers just all hopping on Firefox, or even contributing to it. That's the reason why everybody ditched their own engine. And Android? There is only iOS left, and that is just a steaming pile of garbage with a fancy paint job. There has been a duopoly for way too many years for any competition to emerge and stick around. And I don't even see Samsung taking over fully without compromising too much, and everyone else would most certainly lock things down at least as bad as iOS does. Then you can say goodbye to devices where you can even install Custom ROMs, let alone things like Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS or postmarket OS.
If compared to Linus' old e-mails, Kent did sound as polite and as patient as a saint, lmao. The Linux devs are trying to kick him out (rightfully so) but they are run out of good idea, and then Kent gave them one. Kinda.
I switched to a iPad a while back because it provides all the services on Apple, Google and Amazon on one device. Amazon Fire is missing a lot of Google Services because Google doesn't make them available in the Amazon app store. Of course Apple services are only available on Apple Devices.
@@TimothyButterworth Many people around me use iPhones, and I'm not from the US. What might have been a niche market years ago is no longer the case, and it's unlikely to be so in the future as their monopolistic strategies aim for a majority market share in all their business units. They do not share their technological advancements, despite having leveraged the innovations of other companies when they did not own the leading technology.
people will realise that they are depending on software sb else is paying for and Mozilla will have a proper donation campaign for firefox. Software should be liberated not necessarily free(for those that can afford it, let students and financially stressed people get it for free)
I for one think merging ChromeOS and Android is actually good: the linux support on ChromeOS was more experimental (pun intended) than practical, and it's sandboxed like hell. Although I can pin linux apps to the app menu, it has to boot up the linux vm first (unlike Android apps that "just works"), some peripherals like pen input don't work (unlike Android apps), I can't easily share files in and out of the VM (unlike Android apps), and the overall experience is removed and different from the overall desktop experience (unlike Android apps). The name of the feature also makes sure you know it's for "linux development." Even being Linux itself ChromeOS can't run linux programs easily, not to mention you can't at all change the default browser... except you could set a different default browser within the Android subsystem. You get the idea. What I'm excited about is that, by making Android behave explicitly more like ChromeOS, Android itself will become more standardised, and the work is already ongoing. Starting from Android 11 with 5.4+ kernel (and 13 for all kernel versions), Google is requiring device vendors to package drivers as a kernel module rather than maintaining a kernel fork. It's not full mainline but it's close; at least it will be the same kernel across every (new) android devices. I guess this is why we're seeing more and more device manufacturers promising longer update support; it's actually easier and attainable now. Aside from that, now Android is gaining ability to run linux apps. I don't expect it to go any better than in ChromeOS but this actually gives linux mobile apps a new market, for free!
Somehow I don't think it will be at all difficult for Google to continue as a monopoly regardless under the new US administration, both parties having displayed blatantly quid pro quo attitudes on previous occasions....
A US company that exploits its dominance on the global market is better than a Chinese/Russian/Japanese/European company that fills the gap. Every US administration thinks this way.
If this new Android allows me to use my phone as a desktop.. that might be reason enough to drop my laptop and just use my phone full time. So I'm down for it lol
@red5355dragon and a phone that supports display port over USB c which the pixel series didnt support until very recently. Are you talking about dex though? Because stock android doesn't have a task bar or anything it just makes the display bigger
@@mattkeith530 no, dex is samsung only. stock android has had desktop mode since andriod 11 and added a taskbar and other stuff in android 15. It is still not very good though.
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Honestly I don't understand your concerns about the merging of ChromeOS and Android. I think this will be beneficial for all because it means that from now changes, made for Google's desktops will also appear in phones and tablets, and that means that mobile devices will probably because more powerful in terms of OS capabilities (and maybe even hardware features)
10:48 If it's not a CoC problem, then why is it a CoC problem? If he's a problematic developer they should deal with it directly and not turn to identity-politics.
The bcachefs issue has nothing to do with past issues with the process. I expected better from you. The issue is about another issue separately where Kent snapped out to another maintainer about code that is tangentially related to bcachefs. The only thing related to bcachefs is that Kent is the author of Bcachefs. Furthermore, the issue ocurred in august, its not a new issue.
I will die on the hill that the steam controller was the best* gamepad available and that gamers just rejected it because they don't want to give anything a chance that isn't basically a dualshock, so I'm thrilled that there's a new one. *except the neo geo CD pad with the clicky stick
That ChromeOS to Android deal is going to be a real PITA for hardware driver porting. ChromeOS is very specific for chipsets, and the driver support is extremely thin as it is. This is going to jack up the resellers of chromebooks pretty damn hard.
That whole argument feels like a court ran by 4chan lol so toxic at least respect the men but I get why they mad he kept being dismissive which prolly pissed them off
I LOVE the original Steam controller, I managed to get 1 before they became crazy expensive and it's my main controller, so the prospect of getting an improved sequel at reasonable prices is very exciting. I'll focus on that good news, because everything else is very grim haha, I don't really trust the US goverment to follow trough on actually breaking google apart...
@Fossil-e4w Interference maybe? I use this mode for more than a year I never had an issue on Fedora desktop, the Bluetooth can be flaky because of some weird BlueZ behavior with my dedicated Intel wireless card (WiFi is solid though), but regardless of the system, all wireless modes have been working great on my controller. I am using a cheap USB hub even. Maybe you could try using the native USB ports of the back of your motherboard
@Fossil-e4w I also have a cheap wireless keyboard/mouse dongle (elongated nameless Logitech model), one USB port apart from the 8BitDo dongle, along with a WiFi 6 router located on the left very close together. It might help you if you put the dongles on top of your PC case, and use the USB 3.0 port or newer instead.
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Personally I think that if google wants to change its things, they should be able to do. If google wants to recreate chrome os, making it just a redistribution of android, i think there's nothing to worry about, they're trying to make chrome os works better in their ecosystem. You can not install chrome os on other laptops that aren't chromebooks, so i ask myself, who gives a shit about that? The only thing that is important that google adds, is better support to add a bootloader to these devices, so it's easier to change if people wants, they make money anyway. Things are a bit more spicy and important in open source projects, like chromiumos, but also if they decide to stop the developing of chromiumos to have just android to work on, it is however open source, so the thing here is to make sure android will be really open source, like i read on some comments. But this is just my opinion, feel free to discuss it if you want, just make sure it'll be a great place to share ideas, and not convincing anyone on personal ones
Why Meta, though? Do they force you use their platforms? Probably not. If you decide to use their services, you're agreeing to their rules. It's their platform, so they get to set the terms. It’s kind of like going to someone’s house and complaining about their house rules. If you don’t like it, you can always leave. Personally, I don't use the service that I don't like. I like to keep things just as simple as that.
When you regulate you only cause the opposite, you have to deregulate, lower taxes and let the market work. You favor the generation of artificial monopolies, not natural ones. You should review these concepts.
Actually, no, Linus does not break the CoC. There is a difference between what Kent did and what Linus typically does. Linus attacks your code and your coding style. Or your ability to write code which should go into the kernel. He does _not_ go for personal attacks, questioning your sanity or intelligence. Kent, however... _did_ do that. More than once. Attacking more than one person. And why? Just because it was pointed out to him that kernel development has procedures in place to ensure stability and security. Procedures he was not willing to follow. So... here Kent is, being told how to be a better kernel developer and what does he do? Throw a temper tantrum and call people retarded. Yeah... errrrh... sorry but... Kent, if you got sand in your vagina, go address that issue somewhere else. Kent is an ass. A childish, whiny little prick whose relevance is far less than he seems to think it is. For one thing... I have yet to see this claim about his filesystem not eating your data actually being proven. For months now, he has been posting unending merges which address data corruption.
My thoughts exactly. I haven't used a Linux desktop for long so it's not like I have decades of examples to use but even I know that some angry rants, insults, and swears are par for the course lol. This just seems targetted.
Torwalds is The Boss. The Boss will aways have his pack of shills that sould rationalize any bs he would possibly say or do, and justify all the witch hunting on Their Majesty's behalf.
To be fair Linus is the number one offender when it comes to dirty mouth and "unpleasant to work with" So the claim that this is the reason is laudable
I'll take the Linux CoC team seriously once they sanction Linus for being a prick on the mail list. And following the CoC and not banning a whole nationality from contributing code.
Btw. any news about the Manjaro devs? Got the feeling they´re struggling with the time near updates. I'm still missing FF 132?! And the last months before the system prompted updates more regulary?! Any one else the same feeling? Thanks!
i wonder if this is going to be something that affects the Android ecosystem in any way, as Google Play Services is a big component restricting my own personal struggle to be independent from Google when using non Google programs that still requires it for whatever reason, from annoyances by notifications when a service app displays a Google payment option, to certain banking apps that straight-up refuses to run if i have it uninstalled.
The code of conduct issue is that it doesn’t apply to all starting with Linus, so here we have a case in which no one knows who is allowed to insult others and who doesn’t, and which groups apply. Either make it explicit or don’t have a CoC that is optional depending on the individual.
@ Linus just broke CoC by expelling any possibly Russian, Russian-adjacent or Russian sounding contributor from the Kernel (1st violation of CoC), then promoted a hostile environment to any with Russian ancestry (2nd violation of CoC). But yea, no bad words used at this time.
@@isaicicourel Well for the Russian expulsion, there wasn't much he can do. Its either Russian Devs stay and Devs that either work in American companies or are also americans themselves likely forced to leave working on the kernel due to the US's newest sanctions, which prevent any company or person from working with any russian national. And for that matter the ban or expulsion isn't like how you're describing it with some known russian devs being push out from working on certain of the kernel or having their work being checked. Also should be noted that sanctions like these would likely apply to a person that isn't an american national, but still employed by an american company as well. For example, the Cuban embargo prohibits any american company from doing any service to cuba that might help the cuban government, but a country like germany or another could not export anything to cuba as in order to do so would need a cargo ship that is insured but the insurance market for ships is dominated by american companies. Therefore, Unless the company that does the export wants to take the risk, can't ship the cargo to Cuba(and for that matter the cargo have to be german made with no american company involvement or money). There is also the Square payment system as an example a while back, where since it was an american business, it could not process any transactions that involved cuban goods, which became a headache for a lot coffee sellers in Canada that were selling cuban coffee beans since Canada doesn't have embargo on the country. so tdlr; because of US policy, the whole linux project had to do this in order for most developers to continue working on the project regardless of CoC or not. Also said decision would also impact any other project that has anyone that works in/for a US company or lives in the US.
Errrrhhhh, there is a difference between what Linus does and what Kent did. Linus doesn't go for personal attacks. He doesn't insult your intelligence, heritage, sanity or anything like that. Kent has personally attacked more than one person. If you don't see the difference there, well... that's on you. Kent really just is a prick. Linus? Well, yeah, he can be very difficult at times as well. But so far I've not once seen him engage in any behavior which is an overt sign of anti-social personality disorder. Kent is not right in the head.
@@terranbyte2619 All these devs that put their own time and effort into code for the kernel, should be kicked out in the way they were? Was it really so hard to send a message saying, sorry guys our hands are tied? Very civil and the snarky comment from Linus being Swedish.
We absolutely need Google to sell Android. The reason it's so hard for phones to have anything other than Android is because manufacturers are locked in a contract by Google in which if they provide anything else than Android, Google won't provide updates for their hardware. With this restriction lifted, it'd probably be easier for custom ROMs to support more phones.
Hell no, the last thing this world needs is more Consumer Software Platforms. Many devs already don't have their iOS and Android Version up to the same standards, if we now add 3 more competeting Platforms the App Problem is gonna get worse and worse.
So you think that whoever buys Android who will have to survive with just Android license, will let go all the captive manufacturer's market for no reason? And will allow competence to thrive by opening it more?
Anything Google has anything to do with is a piece of code that I don't want on my system at all. Given their arrangements with Mozilla, I'm in the process of removing that too. I don't want anything Google has influenced at all.
10:39 Yes, he seems to have a issue approaching things differently given he's a murderer to boot. Kind if funny how those line up so cleanly with his online personality.
So how is Linus Torvalds not banned? And lots of the higherups have been super toxic too violating the CoC in more extreme ways. Spare me the "gaassppp this man is awful" double standards in the linux kernel is the norm and you know it.
Though unfortunately that will result in piles of ewaste, though I guess it's only in the short term and less ewaste in the long term. So good actually.
It does. Linus does not go for personal attacks. Kent does. Besides, anyone is free to file complaints against Linus, with the CoC panel. Not sure that has happened but I think we'd have heard about it if someone had. He is not immune. By the language of the CoC alone, no one is immune. So... well... given that no one has filed any serious charge against him suggests people are fine with Linus. No one was fine with Kent's language. Not even his supporters were fine with it. Since it really was just vile at times. The things he has said over the past few months. Like, really personal insults which have no business being a part of any discussion about kernel development.
3:38 how is it reasonable to suggest that Google search should be allowed (a trained search AI) but training ai should not be allowed (which is also, clearly, an AI...) Anyone who understands that AI is statistics and not math would know indexing web sites is literally the same thing as an LLM with a different output layer. It doesn't make sense to index but not train because that's how indexing is done - statistically, with Bayes theorem and lots of sample data, cost functions and optimizations.
What’s the point of steam machines? A huge portion of steam users build their own PCs, shouldn’t we be instead pushing for the release of steam OS so we can install it anywhere, like on a custom HTPC?
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The question is ... there's a corporation to make a better product that google ? I don't like the monopoly... but i admit that google has good products. Even if chrome is monopoly, can the buyer do a better job ? See, this is the problem, probably they can't do, and this is why google is a "monopoly".
imo using CoC to silence kent is unnecessary, but he absolutely gotta stop thinking he owns the linux kernel. Kent will be Kent, but atleast he needs to follow the process and principal like everybody else, bcachefs is not that much of a game changer
Imho selling chrome is just not an option. Either its gonna be monopolized by some other big corp, or noone will want to by it. Open sourcing it or giving it to non profit would be more strategic, since google could still partially control it
4:50 I disagree, if he acted bad and if at best a community can do is public shaming for bad behavior, then him PUBLICLY apologizing is needed, him being unable/unwilling, shows a continued level of egotistic/misbehavior he will continue to be.
Although there are some things why I'm not totally happy about Google, but Chrome is still the best browser around and it's well integrated with other Google services which I use a lot. Forcing Google to sell Chrome would affect me negatively. Here in the EU we're presented with a window to choose a search engine on Chrome. I've still willingly chosen Google as my default search engine because it suits me best. Instead of forcing to sell Chrome they could just force Google to give their users a choice to select their prefered search engine (it's already possible in the settings just not so obvious).
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@@ransan They're missing, like Hans Reiser's wife's body.
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I feel like if Android were sold, the custom ROM ecosystem could really thrive. These days, you have to hunt for specific phones just to install other OS...
Or a company like Meta will buy it and completely locks it like iOS
Android hasn't really been open for a very long time. You can't install it on a majority of devices and good like building a generic Google rom from scratch without the manufacturer's drivers. It's open source in name only.
@@ericneo2 I agree but still android is much more flexible than iOS. You can't install iOS on ANY device other than iPhone and you can't build it at all. Android can become much closer than it is right now. At least now you can install Ubuntu touch on SOME android devices if you want. They're rare but it's possible. And I don't think selling Android to any other company like Meta would solve the problem if doesn't make it worse
@@taiwbiit could be that an acquisition by meta wouldn't go through. After all what sense does it make to pass it from one monopoly to another. I also feel like google would sooner set up an independent company whose sole purpose it is to develop core android with significant funding by them, foregoing the short term gains from selling android, rather than give the second biggest data harvester the golden goose and potentially hurting themselves mid to long term. Because thats what its all about. Data. And if google cant use phones for data harvesting as easily, they surely wont let meta do so, since then, very quickly, meta would become the top data harvester and that directly hurts googles bottom line.
Custom roms died not because of Google but because phone companies locked the bootloader to keep you in their rooms. Mostly because of the hardware discount they give you to do business with them.
Thumbs up for the Tuxedo team. Accidents will happen, what counts is how people/companies react to it. Tuxedo obviously did as much as they could short term, and committed to fixing the rest asap. Nice going!
Except the fix has taken over 5 years, and was only implemented after they were blacklisted
Yeah, sponsors do only "honest mistakes"…
This is important work to maintain a free-market, but not enough of it happens. They should have broken up Microsoft years ago, and they were going to.. except some dodgy weirdness happened at the very last second, the judge was replaced and Microsoft miraculously got off the hook.
@@lellyparker This seems to always be how it is for corporations. Justice is just suspiciously too slow and clumsy to get the job done every time and they end up with slaps on the wrist.
Right now, we might not be forced to use one operating system of we want to use any number of apps that are now considered vital for various industries if that had happened.
This is actually not miraculously at all. The fact that Microsoft software dominates the world market is important for the “national security” of the USA or, in other words, for the capabilities of its three-letter agencies.
Unlike Microsoft. Chrome is open source and has a ton of forks. Such a sale can't even happen. What would google be selling other than a name?
It was not “dodgy weirdness”. Bush became president, his appointees instituted a more pliant and corporate-friendly DoJ, and, per usual when the GOP comes to power, big business won, and everybody else lost.
Don’t be surprised if the exact same thing happens in the Google case regardless of what the outgoing DoJ is trying to do.
The deep gov relies on these huge companies, they can't let them break apart and lose power while they are in need of them, so they would do anything to keep them on top including replacing judges.
The original steam controller was ahead of its time as a concept. Now that they had time to refine the tech on the Steam Deck the steam controller 2 could be a better alternative to the other high quality controllers, specially so because those have increased in price significantly without any noticeable innovative changes.
God I wish I got a steam controller or 2 imported when they were 20 bucks.
It looks so cool but I can't justify paying 200 bucks for a scalpers chest of new in box supply.
@@BeefIngot Holy crap, I had no idea the price had gone through the roof. I love our Steam controller and using it almost everyday atm.
@@Thorned_Rose Just rub it in why don'tcha! 😢
@@BeefIngot Sorry, I wasn't meaning to! :/ Just meant how glad I was that we have one. I wish I could get another one - sick of blimmin Xbox controllers constantly getting stick drift whereas the Steam controller is still going strong after many years. I just about choked when I saw the price for a second hand one on Ebay :( Hopefully there is indeed a new model coming out that will be affordable or at least drive down the price of the old ones!
@Thorned_Rose OH no, I was just joking 😅
As an Anti-Google Militant, how plausible it is that an FSF-like foundation were to maintain Chrome?
As much as we'd like that, it almost certainly won't happen. Google will find some loophole that allows them to continue maintaining Chrome, if not directly then indirectly.
You are so anti-Google that you use their products, you are the same as leftists who use products made in capitalism.
Before being anti-business, you should be anti artificial monopolies defended by state regulations and laws, and by taxes that destroy their competition.
Impossible.
Even if Chrome disappears, the open source base , chromium will still be there and will get picked up by someone else, so I'm not worried about chrome going away. Now whether an FSF like entity has enough ressources to maintain a web browser is a different story...
"Roy" as in Roy Batty from Blade Runner, the protagonist of which is Deckard, the codename of the Valve Index 2.
and Ibex as in EE-bex, not EYE-bex.
wasn't 'roy' a joke about virtual reality games in Rick and Morty
Roy (is a VR controller): Reality of yours.
It's okay we dont want google inside linux, we do want steam inside linux. I'd much rather have the private company taking its time to develop something with passion than a publicly traded known data digger creepazoid trying to convince the linux space to give up privacy for security.
whos we lil bro
Ahh yes, I trust X corporation instead of Y. Gives the same energy as someone running Tor on Gentoo Linux & logging in to their RUclips account on it
@@AZM1426 Or the whole Palworld v. Nintendo/Gamefreak/Pokemon thing, Differences acknowledged.
@@AZM1426 Dilettante
@@mambasvg 20 v 2 atm
It is *SO* hard to get involved in the Linux Kernel development, Kent knew what he was getting involved in when they were considering accepting his code, and his attempts to pressure and disrupt something so critical and sensitive seems to suggest he absolutely should not be touching *anything* involved with the Kernel. Trying to enforce time pressure and bypass considerations of safety and caution are classic signs of malicious schemes, so I am now *entirely* convinced that bcachefs was going to be used to attempt to trojan horse in some other kind of backdoor later once people had their guard down.
That's what it looks like.
This is just such an ignorant world view, especially for a software environment with over-the-top code review practices and high barriers of entry. Rather than speculating on an individual if they're trojan horsing, why not just make your project better defended against such things with proactiveness rather than reactiveness while keeping it open for modification?
@@retagainez staging env exist for that reason, why push it to prod env risking most of the userbase?
@@retagainez For how long one can try proactiveness before moving to harder ways? They tried for months, really. Some of the developer has much more patience with that douche that he deserved. I would have done this waaaaaay before....
To be part of the Linux Kernel submiters is a privilege, not a right. You have to follow procedures or we are doomed.
@@retagainez No, _that_ view is somewhat ignorant. No, I am not going to side with OP's conclusion that bcachefs is somehow malicious by design. No, the point is... there _are_ procedures in place to defend the kernel against malicious attempts.
And it is those procedures which Kent got sand in his vagina over when those procedures were pointed out to him. So... yeah, the methodology is in place, it did its job... and the person involved then threw a temper tantrum by launching personal attacks.
I mean... objectively, it'd be silly not to conclude that Kent is just an arrogant baby who thinks he knows how to work in a team but in reality doesn't have a clue.
So, Chrome OS will just become the thing it was already but worse: A locked down phone operating system on shitty laptops?
Yep
This is what I'm worried about. Actually. I bought a Chromebook and installed arch Linux on it but I'm worried if this is still going to be possible
@@lepidus2918 Hey now, it's worse than that. they are also garunteed ewaste after their update period!
@@CommentGuard717 Void Linux has ARM support. A similar spirit as Arch but a simpler operating system that you can build from the ground up.
@@NreKonkoro-vt2fo but currently on Chromebooks whether there arm or x86 (mying is 13100f) you have to put it in developer mode and then run a script to flash a new bootloader onto it.
This is actually quite similar to Androids and the process to unlocking their bootloader, however, it's not clear what will happen if Google has to sell Chrome since Chrome OS is branded off of Chrome.
If Chrome OS has also sold, the other company might remove this since the most used for Chromebooks is in schools which unlocking the bootloader would not be helpful in that case
MS is also a monopoly on PC operating systems. When will they make them sell something.
and apple is also a evil monopoly on macs pcs! Edits : also iphones
This is not surprising. MS wants to get into the advertisement and search engine business so now Google is being threatened. I wonder how many government lackies MS is keeping on the payroll these days.
MS will also soon be a monopoly in video gaming as they are buying all the video game companies.
They literally aren't. MacOS. All of the GNU/Linux options. The BSD options. And probably others I don't know about.
The same verdict should apply to Microsoft too. Otherwise this doesn't make any sense.
I think the Steam controller 2 will just be the Steam Deck's control layout, without the rest of the Deck
Kent Overstreet being a humble and civil team player for 24h (IMPOSSIBLE)
Hans Reiser and Kent Overstreet
are both exquisite pieces of work.
I had the opportunity(?) to meet
them both and had to try hard to
stay below their thresholds of
irritation!
Note, that it seems that requiring a public apology was added by the Linux CoC maintainers recently (practically concurrent to the bcachefs drama) seemingly especially just for this case. Making up the rules as they go. If we're wanting to punish people who's ego makes them think they're exceptions, then it's not a good look to running the same exceptional rule-making in tandem to that behaviour.
So when will Apple go through the same? Their eco system is even more closed 😮
The DOJ has a lawsuit for them too, let's see how it goes.
@@framegrace1 You get a lawsuit, you get a lawsuit, you too, everyone gets a lawsuit!
Apple does not have a majority market share in any of their business units. They are really a niche market with die hard users.
@@Wkaelx 😅🤣
@TimothyButterworth they have in my country. Here, their tablets are called iPad and if you say: "Nice tablet", they will respond with: "It's not a tablet, it's an iPad " 😅
But running about it, Apple have actually already gone through some. They changed their plug to USB-C on their iPhones and had to implement RCS, so everyone can talk in group messages 🙂 But it's not completely the same as what Google are going through now.
Imagine you have a company, where you have to let go of your own product because of another one of your products are widely used 😮
5:57 tbh its not like Linus hasn't said worse, so i guess i can kinda see where hes coming from
8:06 my social skills aren’t perfect either, and I agree that using that as an excuse for bad behavior is just plain wrong! Even if this Kent guy genuinely has issues that are understandable, none of it excuses what he did/said/etc.
Exactly, as someone who went into full blown anxiety when talking with anyone, it is _on you_ to ensure that you are able to work collaboratively with others. If not, you should either get help or get someone to converse on your behalf
This is unacceptable
@@chillpumkin
Something that kinda helps me is typing out my thoughts so I can actually see what I’m trying to say and then make any edits to condense it and streamline it while making sure my thoughts are still getting across! (This is why texting and commenting is very helpful for me! Although I still tend to get a bit wordy and sometimes over think what I’m typing. But I’m still working on it and it’s getting better!)
@@drewo.127 Lmao I guess we all have the same problem, and the same solution :D
I too write long comments sometimes. While in the real-world, it takes a while before I can socialize with strangers.
Only problem I've encountered is that YT has some wonky filters that may or may not get triggered by such comments. And whatever "rules" they seem to follow, someone breaks them :P
If they take Google apart they also have to take Windows away from MS and take Apple, Amazon, etc apart.
The US government will not like the idea of weakening the dominance of US companies in important key technologies on the global market.
Counterpoint, ChromeOS features merged into Android may mean running desktop software on android gets better
@@Doc4 But does that benefit us in any way?
@BeefIngot Easily. Running Linux or Windows software on your phone like it's native software, though some would have to go through an x86-ARM translation layer
Would linux have existed if there was a CoC when linus started (or for the 1st 2 decades of linux)? Just a thought 🤔
I can't believe they deleted ReiserFS, its performance was killer
And it lost or corrupted data
just as fast as it could write
it to the disk ;-)
The Drama isnt about bcachefs, but how it was handled on the LF side things, the code of conduct was updated after.
I worked at the Oracle World HQ 20+ years ago, and some of the most brilliant and invaluable programmers would fall in this same “A. H.” category. One was do out there, that he had is one handler a a separate off-campus office space.
I may have been the closest thing that he had to a friend at work.
A acquired much respect for his work, and tolerance for his many foibles.
Hope you get better very quickly!
Thank you!
Pretty sure Kent's comments that were shown would equal to entertainment if that were Linus saying that
Off topic-It’s possible I missed it, but I don’t think that you have covered the release of FreeCAD 1.0, which is a big deal for many of us in the FOSS world which is sorely lacking in many good CAD options.
The code of conduct recently changed. That public apology thing is a very new thing.
While I agree that ChromeOS being converted to Android won't be a good thing, while Google adopting widely used tool to convert it into a run-of-the-mill Linux distro might have been, there also has been some similarly adjacent news: With the current Android 15 QPR Beta (well, it still is current as it doesn't seem the latest beta is actually already rolling out), for probably the first time in all of the existence of Android, Google actually updates the Kernels for their Pixel devies. You know, like a normal Linux distro would do. Until now, they only backported changes themselves or relied on LTS releases. But now that LTS will be limited to just two years, while more OEMs promise like 5-7 years of updates, a solution had to be found. As it seems, all still supported Pixel devices have been updated to be based on Linux 6.1.99. So whatever Google figured out to make all those closed source driver modules and firmware work on newer Kernels, maybe there is stuff others can profit off too. Like Custom ROMs being easier to create, maybe even Linux distros for the Android Chromebooks, that may still need the Android-Linux Kernel but can otherwise be used as a normal Linux distro.
Also I think forcing Google to sell off Chrome or Android would be just plain out dumb. Instead, there should be some control over both, like Chrome needing to adhere to certain standards that would in turn force them to allow proper ad-blocks again and all data collection to be transparent, optional and opt-in - you know, like at least Europe mandates for years already. Fact is, Chrome and Android are the biggest in their categories, selling them would harm everybody. Chrome/Chromium is the base for pretty much every browser and the lead when it comes to developing and adopting web standards. No other company would be able to take over, as literally just Mozilla and Apple are left as competition, and they are already struggling a lot. We don't need all Chromium-based browser to become another Safari, and I honestly don't believe browsers just all hopping on Firefox, or even contributing to it. That's the reason why everybody ditched their own engine. And Android? There is only iOS left, and that is just a steaming pile of garbage with a fancy paint job. There has been a duopoly for way too many years for any competition to emerge and stick around. And I don't even see Samsung taking over fully without compromising too much, and everyone else would most certainly lock things down at least as bad as iOS does. Then you can say goodbye to devices where you can even install Custom ROMs, let alone things like Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS or postmarket OS.
If compared to Linus' old e-mails, Kent did sound as polite and as patient as a saint, lmao.
The Linux devs are trying to kick him out (rightfully so) but they are run out of good idea, and then Kent gave them one. Kinda.
Why aren't them also breaking up Apple? Apple forces anything from software and hardware, pc, laptops and mobile into their own ecosystem.
Apple does not have a majority market share in any of their business units. They are really a niche market with die hard users.
I switched to a iPad a while back because it provides all the services on Apple, Google and Amazon on one device. Amazon Fire is missing a lot of Google Services because Google doesn't make them available in the Amazon app store. Of course Apple services are only available on Apple Devices.
@@TimothyButterworth Many people around me use iPhones, and I'm not from the US. What might have been a niche market years ago is no longer the case, and it's unlikely to be so in the future as their monopolistic strategies aim for a majority market share in all their business units. They do not share their technological advancements, despite having leveraged the innovations of other companies when they did not own the leading technology.
I hope it is obvious I am a Linux user, so I value hardware providers that offer the flexibility to install Linux on their products ...
3:20 "If they cannot stand on their own two legs..." would you say the same about Mozilla without Google's money-for-default-search? 🤔
people will realise that they are depending on software sb else is paying for and Mozilla will have a proper donation campaign for firefox. Software should be liberated not necessarily free(for those that can afford it, let students and financially stressed people get it for free)
I for one think merging ChromeOS and Android is actually good: the linux support on ChromeOS was more experimental (pun intended) than practical, and it's sandboxed like hell. Although I can pin linux apps to the app menu, it has to boot up the linux vm first (unlike Android apps that "just works"), some peripherals like pen input don't work (unlike Android apps), I can't easily share files in and out of the VM (unlike Android apps), and the overall experience is removed and different from the overall desktop experience (unlike Android apps). The name of the feature also makes sure you know it's for "linux development." Even being Linux itself ChromeOS can't run linux programs easily, not to mention you can't at all change the default browser... except you could set a different default browser within the Android subsystem. You get the idea.
What I'm excited about is that, by making Android behave explicitly more like ChromeOS, Android itself will become more standardised, and the work is already ongoing. Starting from Android 11 with 5.4+ kernel (and 13 for all kernel versions), Google is requiring device vendors to package drivers as a kernel module rather than maintaining a kernel fork. It's not full mainline but it's close; at least it will be the same kernel across every (new) android devices. I guess this is why we're seeing more and more device manufacturers promising longer update support; it's actually easier and attainable now. Aside from that, now Android is gaining ability to run linux apps. I don't expect it to go any better than in ChromeOS but this actually gives linux mobile apps a new market, for free!
I'm in favor of chromeos turning into android. I love this transition
It's hard to take CoC seriously whileLinus is not stomped by it.
Somehow I don't think it will be at all difficult for Google to continue as a monopoly regardless under the new US administration, both parties having displayed blatantly quid pro quo attitudes on previous occasions....
A US company that exploits its dominance on the global market is better than a Chinese/Russian/Japanese/European company that fills the gap. Every US administration thinks this way.
If this new Android allows me to use my phone as a desktop.. that might be reason enough to drop my laptop and just use my phone full time. So I'm down for it lol
Android has had a desktop mode for a long time. You just need a usb-c dock.
@red5355dragon and a phone that supports display port over USB c which the pixel series didnt support until very recently. Are you talking about dex though? Because stock android doesn't have a task bar or anything it just makes the display bigger
@@mattkeith530 no, dex is samsung only. stock android has had desktop mode since andriod 11 and added a taskbar and other stuff in android 15. It is still not very good though.
Waddle on, little penguin, don’t feel so blue,
The cold can’t keep a strong soul like you.
Rest your wings, let the chill drift away,
Warmth and health will return any day.
Through frosty winds and icy tides,
A penguin's strength always abides.
So sip some tea, take it slow,
Soon you’ll waddle with a healthy glow.
Hope you recover from your cokd soon!
How do I get Nick's autograph?
- Work your way into the delivery network of one of Frances most popular delivery companies.
- Deliver packages surreptitiously, silently collecting your paychecks and doing your job undercover.
- Await the day you deliver a Package to Nick.
- Get his signature as proof of delivery.
Mission accomplished.
Does a heart from him count?
@@Pandacier yes 🗿
How will this effect the whole manifest v3 and anti adblock business that they were cooking?
I don't think so. The only good web browsers left after this would be brave, Vivaldi and Firefox (or other web browsers with adblock installed).
I don't know. But I do know Mozilla is going to die soon if they don't get their shit together immediately.
you can still run adblocks on Chrome and Chromium tho. And Im glad they rolled Manifest v3, extensions had way too much power before
"Roy" is another Blade Runner reference. This time the antagonist, as opposed to the Deckard's protagonist reference.
Honestly I don't understand your concerns about the merging of ChromeOS and Android. I think this will be beneficial for all because it means that from now changes, made for Google's desktops will also appear in phones and tablets, and that means that mobile devices will probably because more powerful in terms of OS capabilities (and maybe even hardware features)
Just as songs need lyrics, this channel needs comments!
10:48 If it's not a CoC problem, then why is it a CoC problem? If he's a problematic developer they should deal with it directly and not turn to identity-politics.
The bcachefs issue has nothing to do with past issues with the process. I expected better from you. The issue is about another issue separately where Kent snapped out to another maintainer about code that is tangentially related to bcachefs.
The only thing related to bcachefs is that Kent is the author of Bcachefs. Furthermore, the issue ocurred in august, its not a new issue.
I will die on the hill that the steam controller was the best* gamepad available and that gamers just rejected it because they don't want to give anything a chance that isn't basically a dualshock, so I'm thrilled that there's a new one.
*except the neo geo CD pad with the clicky stick
That ChromeOS to Android deal is going to be a real PITA for hardware driver porting. ChromeOS is very specific for chipsets, and the driver support is extremely thin as it is. This is going to jack up the resellers of chromebooks pretty damn hard.
That whole argument feels like a court ran by 4chan lol so toxic at least respect the men but I get why they mad he kept being dismissive which prolly pissed them off
Kent should apologize publicly and invite Linus and others who are also abrasive to do the same.
sounds like we're getting a new linux fork
Re:Tuxedo Drivers, There was communication, see brodie's video, dev's had been asking for the re-liscence for years.
I LOVE the original Steam controller, I managed to get 1 before they became crazy expensive and it's my main controller, so the prospect of getting an improved sequel at reasonable prices is very exciting.
I'll focus on that good news, because everything else is very grim haha, I don't really trust the US goverment to follow trough on actually breaking google apart...
What Chrome should be forced to do is accept ad blocker extensions and the like.
11:53 Really hope it is true, I currently use a Xbox One controller with the wireless dongle but the xone driver can be kinda buggy sometimes.
Same here, hence why I'm going for Hori's option, as that seems to have Steam Deck compatability.
@Fossil-e4w Are you using 2.4G or Bluetooth?
@Fossil-e4w Interference maybe? I use this mode for more than a year I never had an issue on Fedora desktop, the Bluetooth can be flaky because of some weird BlueZ behavior with my dedicated Intel wireless card (WiFi is solid though), but regardless of the system, all wireless modes have been working great on my controller.
I am using a cheap USB hub even.
Maybe you could try using the native USB ports of the back of your motherboard
@Fossil-e4w I also have a cheap wireless keyboard/mouse dongle (elongated nameless Logitech model), one USB port apart from the 8BitDo dongle, along with a WiFi 6 router located on the left very close together.
It might help you if you put the dongles on top of your PC case, and use the USB 3.0 port or newer instead.
@Fossil-e4w However I do use mine no more than one meter away from the dongle because I have small bedroom, could be the distance
Let's hope Apple and Microsoft see some similar changes as Google
Only Google leaves the United States, I'm sure many other countries will accept its monopoly
The morale: never be successful. The success is going to be taken away from you, or you become evil and it is definitely going to be taken away from you.
I find it hilarious that they go after Google for monopoly, yet Microsoft remain untouched as always with the Desktop monopoly.
My favourite journalist!
Personally I think that if google wants to change its things, they should be able to do. If google wants to recreate chrome os, making it just a redistribution of android, i think there's nothing to worry about, they're trying to make chrome os works better in their ecosystem. You can not install chrome os on other laptops that aren't chromebooks, so i ask myself, who gives a shit about that? The only thing that is important that google adds, is better support to add a bootloader to these devices, so it's easier to change if people wants, they make money anyway. Things are a bit more spicy and important in open source projects, like chromiumos, but also if they decide to stop the developing of chromiumos to have just android to work on, it is however open source, so the thing here is to make sure android will be really open source, like i read on some comments. But this is just my opinion, feel free to discuss it if you want, just make sure it'll be a great place to share ideas, and not convincing anyone on personal ones
It's about time to regulate big tech corporations and break their monopolies. Let's go after Google first, then Microsoft, Meta and Apple.
Well, but the vote made this basically impossible
Why Meta, though? Do they force you use their platforms? Probably not. If you decide to use their services, you're agreeing to their rules. It's their platform, so they get to set the terms. It’s kind of like going to someone’s house and complaining about their house rules. If you don’t like it, you can always leave. Personally, I don't use the service that I don't like. I like to keep things just as simple as that.
@@diggajupadhyayThink about WhatsApp. That's quite literally how the majority of Europe texts
When you regulate you only cause the opposite, you have to deregulate, lower taxes and let the market work. You favor the generation of artificial monopolies, not natural ones. You should review these concepts.
@@MrGamelover23and?
What comedy, Linus Torvalds frequently breaks CoC and we never even saw an apology once
Yes, but he is the "owner"! ;-)
Actually, no, Linus does not break the CoC. There is a difference between what Kent did and what Linus typically does. Linus attacks your code and your coding style. Or your ability to write code which should go into the kernel.
He does _not_ go for personal attacks, questioning your sanity or intelligence.
Kent, however... _did_ do that. More than once. Attacking more than one person. And why? Just because it was pointed out to him that kernel development has procedures in place to ensure stability and security. Procedures he was not willing to follow.
So... here Kent is, being told how to be a better kernel developer and what does he do? Throw a temper tantrum and call people retarded. Yeah... errrrh... sorry but... Kent, if you got sand in your vagina, go address that issue somewhere else.
Kent is an ass. A childish, whiny little prick whose relevance is far less than he seems to think it is. For one thing... I have yet to see this claim about his filesystem not eating your data actually being proven. For months now, he has been posting unending merges which address data corruption.
@@inraid One rule for me and another for thee, why bother with a CoC?
My thoughts exactly. I haven't used a Linux desktop for long so it's not like I have decades of examples to use but even I know that some angry rants, insults, and swears are par for the course lol. This just seems targetted.
Torwalds is The Boss. The Boss will aways have his pack of shills that sould rationalize any bs he would possibly say or do, and justify all the witch hunting on Their Majesty's behalf.
To be fair Linus is the number one offender when it comes to dirty mouth and "unpleasant to work with"
So the claim that this is the reason is laudable
I'll take the Linux CoC team seriously once they sanction Linus for being a prick on the mail list. And following the CoC and not banning a whole nationality from contributing code.
Btw. any news about the Manjaro devs? Got the feeling they´re struggling with the time near updates. I'm still missing FF 132?! And the last months before the system prompted updates more regulary?! Any one else the same feeling? Thanks!
What about the SSL certificates? 😂
@@cameronbosch1213 Nothing unexpected! ;D
Ibex is a kind of a deer that is common where I live, so I'm not sure what this has to do with coffee stained walls...
i wonder if this is going to be something that affects the Android ecosystem in any way, as Google Play Services is a big component restricting my own personal struggle to be independent from Google when using non Google programs that still requires it for whatever reason, from annoyances by notifications when a service app displays a Google payment option, to certain banking apps that straight-up refuses to run if i have it uninstalled.
The code of conduct issue is that it doesn’t apply to all starting with Linus, so here we have a case in which no one knows who is allowed to insult others and who doesn’t, and which groups apply. Either make it explicit or don’t have a CoC that is optional depending on the individual.
Linus hasn’t insulted developers this way in a long time
@ Linus just broke CoC by expelling any possibly Russian, Russian-adjacent or Russian sounding contributor from the Kernel (1st violation of CoC), then promoted a hostile environment to any with Russian ancestry (2nd violation of CoC). But yea, no bad words used at this time.
@@isaicicourel Well for the Russian expulsion, there wasn't much he can do. Its either Russian Devs stay and Devs that either work in American companies or are also americans themselves likely forced to leave working on the kernel due to the US's newest sanctions, which prevent any company or person from working with any russian national. And for that matter the ban or expulsion isn't like how you're describing it with some known russian devs being push out from working on certain of the kernel or having their work being checked.
Also should be noted that sanctions like these would likely apply to a person that isn't an american national, but still employed by an american company as well. For example, the Cuban embargo prohibits any american company from doing any service to cuba that might help the cuban government, but a country like germany or another could not export anything to cuba as in order to do so would need a cargo ship that is insured but the insurance market for ships is dominated by american companies. Therefore, Unless the company that does the export wants to take the risk, can't ship the cargo to Cuba(and for that matter the cargo have to be german made with no american company involvement or money). There is also the Square payment system as an example a while back, where since it was an american business, it could not process any transactions that involved cuban goods, which became a headache for a lot coffee sellers in Canada that were selling cuban coffee beans since Canada doesn't have embargo on the country.
so tdlr; because of US policy, the whole linux project had to do this in order for most developers to continue working on the project regardless of CoC or not. Also said decision would also impact any other project that has anyone that works in/for a US company or lives in the US.
Errrrhhhh, there is a difference between what Linus does and what Kent did. Linus doesn't go for personal attacks. He doesn't insult your intelligence, heritage, sanity or anything like that. Kent has personally attacked more than one person. If you don't see the difference there, well... that's on you. Kent really just is a prick. Linus? Well, yeah, he can be very difficult at times as well.
But so far I've not once seen him engage in any behavior which is an overt sign of anti-social personality disorder. Kent is not right in the head.
@@terranbyte2619 All these devs that put their own time and effort into code for the kernel, should be kicked out in the way they were? Was it really so hard to send a message saying, sorry guys our hands are tied? Very civil and the snarky comment from Linus being Swedish.
“Roy Kent! He's here, he's there, he's every-fucking-where!”
I hope the new steam controller is like the steam deck
We absolutely need Google to sell Android.
The reason it's so hard for phones to have anything other than Android is because manufacturers are locked in a contract by Google in which if they provide anything else than Android, Google won't provide updates for their hardware.
With this restriction lifted, it'd probably be easier for custom ROMs to support more phones.
Hell no, the last thing this world needs is more Consumer Software Platforms. Many devs already don't have their iOS and Android Version up to the same standards, if we now add 3 more competeting Platforms the App Problem is gonna get worse and worse.
@@floppa9415 Isn't that a problem custom roms could tackle ?
@@floppa9415 you realise android ROMs are... still android, right?
So you think that whoever buys Android who will have to survive with just Android license, will let go all the captive manufacturer's market for no reason? And will allow competence to thrive by opening it more?
@@framegrace1 good point actually...
"Kernel of our lifes" saga continues i love it
Startpage uses Bing results, not Google. They switched a while back.
Anything Google has anything to do with is a piece of code that I don't want on my system at all. Given their arrangements with Mozilla, I'm in the process of removing that too. I don't want anything Google has influenced at all.
you make a convincing argument about developers who bring drama to the kernel likely being murderers
If Google is forced to sell Chrome which is a good thing we need to get Microsoft to sell Windows or Office
10:39 Yes, he seems to have a issue approaching things differently given he's a murderer to boot. Kind if funny how those line up so cleanly with his online personality.
So how is Linus Torvalds not banned? And lots of the higherups have been super toxic too violating the CoC in more extreme ways. Spare me the "gaassppp this man is awful" double standards in the linux kernel is the norm and you know it.
Chromebooks switching to Android is good news for Android and that's what matters.
Google are probably switching Chrome OS out with Android because of the features that Harmony OS next promises.
Finally, Chrome OS can die.
Though unfortunately that will result in piles of ewaste, though I guess it's only in the short term and less ewaste in the long term. So good actually.
They should create a non profit organization for chrome
Feel better Nick! And sorry to see Brest lost to Monaco this week, but there’s always other matches!
Did the code of conduct apply to Linus Torvalds?
It does. Linus does not go for personal attacks. Kent does. Besides, anyone is free to file complaints against Linus, with the CoC panel. Not sure that has happened but I think we'd have heard about it if someone had. He is not immune. By the language of the CoC alone, no one is immune. So... well... given that no one has filed any serious charge against him suggests people are fine with Linus.
No one was fine with Kent's language. Not even his supporters were fine with it. Since it really was just vile at times. The things he has said over the past few months. Like, really personal insults which have no business being a part of any discussion about kernel development.
The CoC was basically introduced because of Linus. He seems to have grown up a bit since
Thanks for the update about BcacheFS. I was half-hyped for it until I realised who Kent Overstreet really was
3:38 how is it reasonable to suggest that Google search should be allowed (a trained search AI) but training ai should not be allowed (which is also, clearly, an AI...)
Anyone who understands that AI is statistics and not math would know indexing web sites is literally the same thing as an LLM with a different output layer. It doesn't make sense to index but not train because that's how indexing is done - statistically, with Bayes theorem and lots of sample data, cost functions and optimizations.
What’s the point of steam machines? A huge portion of steam users build their own PCs, shouldn’t we be instead pushing for the release of steam OS so we can install it anywhere, like on a custom HTPC?
you sound really macho. Ive likely just had this lergy. (UK term meaning germs, from allergy)It wasn't too bad but it was worse than a common cold. Get well soon.
Cher Nick,
Je vous souhaite une recuperation complete et rapide.
Maintenant, je me sens une petite malade--aujord'hui, j'ai recu le vaccin contre le zona (vaccine against shingles). Je suis reconnaissant pour votre video. Merci beaucoup!
wait, google proposed to discontinue chrome OS? if they uses android, they technically using mobile OS turned to desktop OS.
10:55 Can this new controller *not* have stick drift like the Index Knuckles?
The question is ... there's a corporation to make a better product that google ? I don't like the monopoly... but i admit that google has good products. Even if chrome is monopoly, can the buyer do a better job ? See, this is the problem, probably they can't do, and this is why google is a "monopoly".
imo using CoC to silence kent is unnecessary, but he absolutely gotta stop thinking he owns the linux kernel. Kent will be Kent, but atleast he needs to follow the process and principal like everybody else, bcachefs is not that much of a game changer
Thanks Nick.
Oh no! Poor Nick! No men flew! :/ Get healthy soon! :)
Re: 4:45 : ... and THE most used mobile operating system, and THE most used video hosting platform.
I hope either the steam controller has 2 versions one with just pad and buttons and the other with stick and buttons or better they are swapable.
Imho selling chrome is just not an option. Either its gonna be monopolized by some other big corp, or noone will want to by it. Open sourcing it or giving it to non profit would be more strategic, since google could still partially control it
4:50 I disagree, if he acted bad and if at best a community can do is public shaming for bad behavior, then him PUBLICLY apologizing is needed, him being unable/unwilling, shows a continued level of egotistic/misbehavior he will continue to be.
Although there are some things why I'm not totally happy about Google, but Chrome is still the best browser around and it's well integrated with other Google services which I use a lot. Forcing Google to sell Chrome would affect me negatively. Here in the EU we're presented with a window to choose a search engine on Chrome. I've still willingly chosen Google as my default search engine because it suits me best. Instead of forcing to sell Chrome they could just force Google to give their users a choice to select their prefered search engine (it's already possible in the settings just not so obvious).