This video was very interesting on many levels: 1- Educational experimentalists. In Brazil where I'm from, in the 60's-80's we had a military government that was conservative. In public schools you had to sing the national anthem, pray and the teacher was the absolute authority that HAD to be respected. Back then, public schools were just as good as the private schools. Then at some point we adopted the marxist teaching habits of Paulo Freire, you may have heard of him, which contended that students were oppressed and that a new way of teaching was needed. Today, students in public schools in Brazil are almost condemned to stay in the same conditions of their parents because more than 50% finish high school without knowing how to read,write or do simple mathematic calculations. 2-The guy in the middle, who is a socialist, he is exactly the type of person who perpetrates this ongoing cultural degradation. For him, rampant crime, prostituition, drug use, alcohol abuse, divorce and all the problems we see today are just the 'few' downsides to a society that he believes is on the whole better because homossexuals can now openly say they are homossexual. Another example, compare the lady in the painting to the average lady you see in a nightclub, you can hardly say we have progressed. 3-Dalrymple also uses an interesting example of people saying they had a great night (although they could not remember any of it) and claiming to be happy. He questions whether this is really true. 4-Religion: Dalrymple (if you read some of his stuff or watch other videos) says that although he is not religious, he understands the importance of it for a functioning society. Indeed it seems that many think people are conservative because they are religious (which is also the case) but social conservatism is also a rational and necessary option, Dalrymple (not being religious) himself recognises this. Society will always need religion, and while in Europe it seems that society has been successful in removing it from daily life, the demand for religion is still there. And, unfortunately, this demand is being supplied by Islam. Moreover, objectively speaking, Western *christian* civilization sent man to the moon, built machines and computers while the the islamic civilization was still taming camels. This obsession in the west to sever itself from the things that built our civilization will, unless stopped, backfire.
49:00 I used to be a tour manager and I have travel Europe extensively, like I've been everywhere. I am British, but spent 12 years living in Scandinavia and a shorter time in Berlin. Whenever I visited the Netherlands I always felt it was more like the UK in terms of rowdiness - urinating on the street, some brawling on the streets and so on - and that was not something you would see in France (Paris and Marseille are dangerous but not rowdy) and no where in Germany (except perhaps in Mauerpark in Berlin or some parts of Kreuzberg) and if you saw it in Spain it would probably be the Brits or Dutch (or Danish). But nothing like the sort of 'what you looking at' constant threat of random violence in the UK. We have a very special thing going on there. I now live in Rotterdam of all places (I moved for love). I live in the South in an Islamised area, and it is very rough and ready: I live on a busy intersection and I see a lot of fights and general disorderly behaviour from my window. I actually decided to leave Norway as it was too quiet! And I was fed up of all the red tape and the cost of things preventing anything interesting happening: but I've decided to head back there later this year. Boredom beats the threat of violence. Europe is quite a mess right now, and I don't see it getting any better.
@@schmetterling4477 I choose the apartment as it was a great building architectural speaking, a listed building from the 1950s. Amazing big window design with a great view. I was writing a dissertation, and wanted natural light and a nice big window with a view of life to look at while I wrote. Helps me think. And by you saying that Rotterdam city centre is not a nice part or town, you only confirm my point.
Dalrymple is great as always. He was one of the first intellectuals to criticize modern thought on responsibility, art and education in a conservative and reasonable manner. In especially North-Western Europe he is at the vanguard of the changing attitude on these subjects. For dutch-speaking people: Bart de Wever has written fantastic stuff as well.
The socialist shares what Thomas Sowell calls 'the vision of the anointed', utopian in aspiration but always damaging in practice, while Dalrymple shares Sowell's far more realistic 'tragic vision' of humanity.
At around 30:00 Mr. Dalrymple is speaking about some family called Taki, Tucky, Toky, something like that. Could anyone tell me who are people from that family and why are they famous?
D503z the Tokkie family was a particularly abhorrent group of people that were causing all sorts of trouble for the people surrounding them. They came from Amsterdam, a city that welcomes people of all walks of life without passing any sort of judgment. In 2016 our prime minister Mark Rutte used their family name to casually describe antisocial people that spewed vile speech online at a self proclaimed militant advocate for the so-called marginalised (Sylvana Simons). He was deliberately using their name to describe the lowest possible forms of being in our society.
It's the Tokkie family. Perhaps you can look up "De Tokkies" (in dutch) or "Tokkie" (also in english) on wikipedia. In short: it's a family that caused a lot of nuisance everywhere they lived. Now "Tokkie" is even an official noun in the dictionary to negatively describe a lower class person with anti-social behaviour.
1. The socialist guy basically wants the bureaucrats to solve "problems". What he doesn't realize is that culture and moral is not made up by government. He is the symbol of the source of the problems, i.e. the society can be formed from the top/government. Interesting that he can't really contribute anything to the conversation. 2. On French to eliminate homework, I can tell you what effect it has on middle class kids (I "watched" my former wife's kids in amazement and despair for +10years)= they will be stupid and w/o discipline or to know how to learn at graduation. My mother helped me when I had to read and write (it was brutal, I'm apparently dyslexic, but I could read with a decent speed)... but later on she admitted that she couldn't have helped me later even if she wanted... it's about discipline and culture what the family gives (we were very very poor = until 25 i had 1 pair of shoes, 2 pants , 1 for daily use and 1 for special occasions, and i couldn't go anywhere during the weekend when my mother washed it, it changed when i dated my wife, whose mother was a tailor, though my mother made sure that we ate well but it was not w/o sacrifice, e.g. my parents bought a small land 20km away to cultivate vegetables, poteto because it was expensive to buy food, and spent their weekends there). So how far you can go with the culture, but poor background? I can speak 4 languages, I'm a mathematician with a PhD in applied math and code, so I have fairly good salary. I've gone further in achievement than my parents, and my kids went even further: not just the academic ones (one of my kids went on to graduate from Cambridge) but also they do things much earlier in their lives what I could do in mine.
@@schmetterling4477 no idea what you mean by your comment - well, the politicians (at least in a democracy, who compose of a government - let's put aside the fact that government has executive and legislative arms) are voted on - therefore, though government can make laws, it is the product of the culture (and as a consequence, values) of those people in the government what laws are made.
@@feka2188 Not all governments are elected, kid. Actually, most were not during the length of written human history (or before). You have to come down from your cloud. You are still flying high like a kite.
Why should he? Almost nothing important is published in Dutch, and most Hollanders speak English (albeit with a dreadful accent). I had a Dutch friend who lived in London for 30 years, but his English did not improve!
Very good discussion. The man in the middle didn't understand the slippery slope of bad behaviour.
This video was very interesting on many levels:
1- Educational experimentalists. In Brazil where I'm from, in the 60's-80's we had a military government that was conservative. In public schools you had to sing the national anthem, pray and the teacher was the absolute authority that HAD to be respected. Back then, public schools were just as good as the private schools. Then at some point we adopted the marxist teaching habits of Paulo Freire, you may have heard of him, which contended that students were oppressed and that a new way of teaching was needed. Today, students in public schools in Brazil are almost condemned to stay in the same conditions of their parents because more than 50% finish high school without knowing how to read,write or do simple mathematic calculations.
2-The guy in the middle, who is a socialist, he is exactly the type of person who perpetrates this ongoing cultural degradation. For him, rampant crime, prostituition, drug use, alcohol abuse, divorce and all the problems we see today are just the 'few' downsides to a society that he believes is on the whole better because homossexuals can now openly say they are homossexual. Another example, compare the lady in the painting to the average lady you see in a nightclub, you can hardly say we have progressed.
3-Dalrymple also uses an interesting example of people saying they had a great night (although they could not remember any of it) and claiming to be happy. He questions whether this is really true.
4-Religion: Dalrymple (if you read some of his stuff or watch other videos) says that although he is not religious, he understands the importance of it for a functioning society. Indeed it seems that many think people are conservative because they are religious (which is also the case) but social conservatism is also a rational and necessary option, Dalrymple (not being religious) himself recognises this. Society will always need religion, and while in Europe it seems that society has been successful in removing it from daily life, the demand for religion is still there. And, unfortunately, this demand is being supplied by Islam. Moreover, objectively speaking, Western *christian* civilization sent man to the moon, built machines and computers while the the islamic civilization was still taming camels. This obsession in the west to sever itself from the things that built our civilization will, unless stopped, backfire.
Perfect analyzed! I love it
Latin America is always going to be a mess regardless of government or philosophy. Sad but true.
49:00 I used to be a tour manager and I have travel Europe extensively, like I've been everywhere. I am British, but spent 12 years living in Scandinavia and a shorter time in Berlin. Whenever I visited the Netherlands I always felt it was more like the UK in terms of rowdiness - urinating on the street, some brawling on the streets and so on - and that was not something you would see in France (Paris and Marseille are dangerous but not rowdy) and no where in Germany (except perhaps in Mauerpark in Berlin or some parts of Kreuzberg) and if you saw it in Spain it would probably be the Brits or Dutch (or Danish). But nothing like the sort of 'what you looking at' constant threat of random violence in the UK. We have a very special thing going on there.
I now live in Rotterdam of all places (I moved for love). I live in the South in an Islamised area, and it is very rough and ready: I live on a busy intersection and I see a lot of fights and general disorderly behaviour from my window. I actually decided to leave Norway as it was too quiet! And I was fed up of all the red tape and the cost of things preventing anything interesting happening: but I've decided to head back there later this year. Boredom beats the threat of violence. Europe is quite a mess right now, and I don't see it getting any better.
In other words... you can't afford to live in a nice place. :-)
@@schmetterling4477 I can't afford to live in Rotterdam, so I moved to Norway, one of the most expensive countries in the world? Makes zero sense.
@@neoepicurean3772 You were the one who said it's "rough". That means you can't afford to live in a nice part of town where it's not.
@@schmetterling4477 I choose the apartment as it was a great building architectural speaking, a listed building from the 1950s. Amazing big window design with a great view. I was writing a dissertation, and wanted natural light and a nice big window with a view of life to look at while I wrote. Helps me think.
And by you saying that Rotterdam city centre is not a nice part or town, you only confirm my point.
@@neoepicurean3772 So it's not rough, then, but actually nice. You have a way of confusing people. :-)
?? . Skip the first 14:30 minutes , it’s pre audience arrival / bad music .
Dalrymple is great as always. He was one of the first intellectuals to criticize modern thought on responsibility, art and education in a conservative and reasonable manner.
In especially North-Western Europe he is at the vanguard of the changing attitude on these subjects. For dutch-speaking people: Bart de Wever has written fantastic stuff as well.
The socialist shares what Thomas Sowell calls 'the vision of the anointed', utopian in aspiration but always damaging in practice, while Dalrymple shares Sowell's far more realistic 'tragic vision' of humanity.
It starts at 17:50. You're welcome 😁
48:12 I decided to google her.. just for the hell of it: still listed as single. (I am not surprised).
+Tristan van Oosten Burn.
Rubashow Can't be arsed.
***** That wasn't a request. I was referring to the sick burn you delivered.
Rubashow Get lost, kid.
***** I still haven't figured out why such a high percentage of internet users are unable to banter or unable to stop being miserable ...
Just looked up Leiden train station... is he wrong??
Perhaps there should have been a loss of confidence after the Napoleonic Wars??
1:11:40 ... well I think if you want to meet lots of families that happily hit their kids just go to Slotervaart ...
Video starts @0:14:15
Thanks for the info!
At around 30:00 Mr. Dalrymple is speaking about some family called Taki, Tucky, Toky, something like that. Could anyone tell me who are people from that family and why are they famous?
D503z the Tokkie family was a particularly abhorrent group of people that were causing all sorts of trouble for the people surrounding them. They came from Amsterdam, a city that welcomes people of all walks of life without passing any sort of judgment.
In 2016 our prime minister Mark Rutte used their family name to casually describe antisocial people that spewed vile speech online at a self proclaimed militant advocate for the so-called marginalised (Sylvana Simons). He was deliberately using their name to describe the lowest possible forms of being in our society.
It's the Tokkie family. Perhaps you can look up "De Tokkies" (in dutch) or "Tokkie" (also in english) on wikipedia. In short: it's a family that caused a lot of nuisance everywhere they lived. Now "Tokkie" is even an official noun in the dictionary to negatively describe a lower class person with anti-social behaviour.
"Reptilian elegance?" Not bad.
Mr Dalrymple's first appearance is at 17'50".
1. The socialist guy basically wants the bureaucrats to solve "problems". What he doesn't realize is that culture and moral is not made up by government. He is the symbol of the source of the problems, i.e. the society can be formed from the top/government. Interesting that he can't really contribute anything to the conversation.
2. On French to eliminate homework, I can tell you what effect it has on middle class kids (I "watched" my former wife's kids in amazement and despair for +10years)= they will be stupid and w/o discipline or to know how to learn at graduation. My mother helped me when I had to read and write (it was brutal, I'm apparently dyslexic, but I could read with a decent speed)... but later on she admitted that she couldn't have helped me later even if she wanted... it's about discipline and culture what the family gives (we were very very poor = until 25 i had 1 pair of shoes, 2 pants , 1 for daily use and 1 for special occasions, and i couldn't go anywhere during the weekend when my mother washed it, it changed when i dated my wife, whose mother was a tailor, though my mother made sure that we ate well but it was not w/o sacrifice, e.g. my parents bought a small land 20km away to cultivate vegetables, poteto because it was expensive to buy food, and spent their weekends there). So how far you can go with the culture, but poor background? I can speak 4 languages, I'm a mathematician with a PhD in applied math and code, so I have fairly good salary. I've gone further in achievement than my parents, and my kids went even further: not just the academic ones (one of my kids went on to graduate from Cambridge) but also they do things much earlier in their lives what I could do in mine.
The law is up to the government, kid. You need to come down to the realistic level. Right now you are flying high like a kite.
@@schmetterling4477 no idea what you mean by your comment
- well, the politicians (at least in a democracy, who compose of a government - let's put aside the fact that government has executive and legislative arms) are voted on
- therefore, though government can make laws, it is the product of the culture (and as a consequence, values) of those people in the government what laws are made.
@@feka2188 Not all governments are elected, kid. Actually, most were not during the length of written human history (or before). You have to come down from your cloud. You are still flying high like a kite.
@@schmetterling4477 who said that "most government" and "human history" - don't answer what nobody asked... and what "cloud" grandpa...
Is the good doctor going to familiarise himself with Dutch any time soon?
Why should he? Almost nothing important is published in Dutch, and most Hollanders speak English (albeit with a dreadful accent). I had a Dutch friend who lived in London for 30 years, but his English did not improve!
48:05 Attracts men? Haha
I don't think the best country in the world needs advice from some English grinch. Let him fix his own country first.
“Best country in the world” by what standards?
Here is a guy who has accomplished nothing in his life who likes to play pretend king. :-)