Yeah- can't stand a loud boat. When you hear yelling in a fleet, it usually lets you know who the wankers are. And the wankers seldom end up at the top of the fleet. They're generally the boats you try to stay the hell away from too lol.
Reminds me of the Hobie 16 North Americans in Alameda. The hardest thing to get used to was how far you had to overstand the Windward mark due to the current..
I’m thinking “on port tack approaching the mark with a slew of boats closer to the mark, on starboard tack, with more starboard tacks on their tails…oh! And a boat downwind of me also on port tack…how did I get myself into this mess? Where is my auto-deploying sea anchor when I need it!” Great job avoiding a collision.
Sorry but what did you expect would happen when you come steaming in on port at a congested mark? Should have cut your losses, ducked a few more sterns and and least got round in one.
Tacked way too early. There was one more right of way boat he could have ducked and even though it would resulted in over standing the mark he’d have clear air to the next leg.
Ouch that's a bummer. The first tack should have been your best, squeeze hard and shoot the mark but it looks like you was screwed the way it turned out. Looks like there was some current pinning you so no choice but to bail out and go round again. We've all been there. Great when you make it though.
Second tack to starboard didn't look like it was above or on the lay line for the mark..10 more seconds on the video would have told us!! Crew seemed quite calm and competent but where was the kite ready for the downwind leg??
Biggest losers were the boats on starboard who didnt get to road the mark at all, we have "shooting the mark" a few times but yeah looks like the current was really really strong here.
@ 0:25 s They are on the port tack and to windward of the boat that has to fall of beacouse of them. I have never raced but in the civilian world this is a big no no. Am I missing something!!?
If two boats on port are ducking a stb boat the leward boat must allow room for the windward boat to also do this (if over lapped). If the leward boat decides to tack the windward boat must also do so. Rule 19.2
Ripping current was pushing all the boats into or below the mark. If they would have held course after tacking onto starboard, they would have been pushed below the mark with little boat speed. At least they bailed with speed to make the next maneuver. The better move would have been to keep on port and duck as many boats until a clear lane opened on the lay line. Hard to do when you are the 3 rd boat to get inside the 3 boat circle, but in this case, it would have paid off. Half the fleet had to do a go around. Overstanding the lay line then tacking onto starboard in clear air would have resulted in amid fleet rounding, with good air.
his approach speed on port tack is too fast, he should have gotten a penalty for not bearing away and tacking behind the boats approaching on starboard tack..he would have saved himself rounding the mark an extra time
Agreed! He had no rights approaching the mark. I raced YRA (PHRF 185) on SF Bay. There should have been shouts of "Starboard!" from the boats on starboard tack, and a protest flag raised..
from the camera angle if he made 1 more duck before tacking he might have had room and the layline...hard to tell but at least no boats were harmed in the making of this film
@@SherpaBT It’s been a while since I hung out with the sailor folk on SF Bay, but I recall the J-24 crowd were a particularly competitive group in a sport that naturally attracts alpha males.
He could have tacked to clause haulled, then maybe he coulld have made it and have forced the others above the boy, it seems the otthers have oversailed, are less then clause hauled, and are reachting for the buoy
Most of the fleet on the layline were already close hauled. To push them up above that, even after tacking to starboard, would be a clear violation of 18.3. Look at the bubbles trailing from the mark, showing significant current. Making the mark from the position he was in would have been nearly impossible without letting most of the fleet go by.
Bad tactics. Never approach a windward mark on the port tack layline in a crowded situation. Could've been avoided though with better judgement by falling off below the right of way starboard tack boats and tacking onto starboard at a point where you can make the mark and not almost getting in irons instead. The skipper must be a novice.
Way too aggressive. They charged straight in chasing the lead boats on port tack. The one boat on on starboard tack dove away to avoid a collision. I call that a jerk merge. This is a weekend race in the bay. No one cares who wins unless you are one of the top racers. Beyond that no one gives a shit. Too many skippers out there who have money and want to prove they are king shit with a semi good crew who wants to race on an expensive boat for bragging rights. No thanks! When things get screwy. One competent person yelling is what saves the boat and race, when you have a semi competent weekend crew. In my opinion he would have done far better with tacking much higher to the mark and had a full speed run at the mark, being able to push right or left for the following boats.
If I were such a poor skipper I would not have put it on RUclips for all to see. He made too many mistakes. Having raced in the US and Europe many times with four crew on a 33 foot boat, I was puzzled by 5 crew on a much smaller and more-easily handled boat. It is easy to understand why they were so far behind most of the fleet.
I love how calm the crew was. Zero yelling. I have been on plenty of boats who would have acted like he world was coming to an end.
Yeah- can't stand a loud boat. When you hear yelling in a fleet, it usually lets you know who the wankers are. And the wankers seldom end up at the top of the fleet. They're generally the boats you try to stay the hell away from too lol.
I think you did the right thing, I wouldn’t call it an ugly mark rounding as much as a collision avoidance
They started with a beginner mistake, but took it quite professionally
Reminds me of the Hobie 16 North Americans in Alameda. The hardest thing to get used to was how far you had to overstand the Windward mark due to the current..
I’m thinking “on port tack approaching the mark with a slew of boats closer to the mark, on starboard tack, with more starboard tacks on their tails…oh! And a boat downwind of me also on port tack…how did I get myself into this mess? Where is my auto-deploying sea anchor when I need it!” Great job avoiding a collision.
Sorry but what did you expect would happen when you come steaming in on port at a congested mark? Should have cut your losses, ducked a few more sterns and and least got round in one.
Respect for not breaking 18.3
Everyone loves to break 18.3
Right dog show. Accepted his fate and carried on with the job, well done.
Was that the sound of one boat hitting another at :46 or the sound of a very noisy gybe?
It looks like the rigging of the two boats to the left collided. mast on mast maybe.
Tacked way too early. There was one more right of way boat he could have ducked and even though it would resulted in over standing the mark he’d have clear air to the next leg.
Funny how you were not the only one to miss the mark.
Ouch that's a bummer. The first tack should have been your best, squeeze hard and shoot the mark but it looks like you was screwed the way it turned out. Looks like there was some current pinning you so no choice but to bail out and go round again. We've all been there. Great when you make it though.
So we got the proof that "ugly" is totally subjective adjective :P
I wouldn’t call that ugly rounding more trying not to kill someone and sink your boat
Superbe vidéo pour expliquer deux fois ce qu'il ne faut pas faire. !!
Second tack to starboard didn't look like it was above or on the lay line for the mark..10 more seconds on the video would have told us!! Crew seemed quite calm and competent but where was the kite ready for the downwind leg??
what ship is it
Wtf, I’ve never seen so many boats miss the Mark.
you've never sailed in san fran in the flood mate
Very cool and professional giving!
..I recall a few races like that
0:47 The moment the Captain needed new undergarments!!
Biggest losers were the boats on starboard who didnt get to road the mark at all, we have "shooting the mark" a few times but yeah looks like the current was really really strong here.
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What could go wrong?
Poor tactics approaching on port so close to the mark.
Turned in front of them and they were windward boat. Nothing to do with overtaking vessel. These are sailing boats not power boats.
Crazy ass sailors
What was so bad?? I would have sailed right into the side of another boat. I thought you did a brilliant job.
Not sure if you should sail in that or plough it.. !! Interesting way he runs his headsail sheet..
Must be to keep the trimmer's weight high when it's blowing. How did an 8 year-old vid pop up in our feeds??
Weather mark port tack bargers should be keel hauled.
@ 0:25 s They are on the port tack and to windward of the boat that has to fall of beacouse of them. I have never raced but in the civilian world this is a big no no. Am I missing something!!?
Room within 2 boat lengths of the mark when there is overlap???
If two boats on port are ducking a stb boat the leward boat must allow room for the windward boat to also do this (if over lapped). If the leward boat decides to tack the windward boat must also do so. Rule 19.2
Good times.
In hindsight I think he should have rounded the mark first time
Ripping current was pushing all the boats into or below the mark. If they would have held course after tacking onto starboard, they would have been pushed below the mark with little boat speed. At least they bailed with speed to make the next maneuver.
The better move would have been to keep on port and duck as many boats until a clear lane opened on the lay line. Hard to do when you are the 3 rd boat to get inside the 3 boat circle, but in this case, it would have paid off. Half the fleet had to do a go around. Overstanding the lay line then tacking onto starboard in clear air would have resulted in amid fleet rounding, with good air.
his approach speed on port tack is too fast, he should have gotten a penalty for not bearing away and tacking behind the boats approaching on starboard tack..he would have saved himself rounding the mark an extra time
Agreed!
Agreed! He had no rights approaching the mark. I raced YRA (PHRF 185) on SF Bay. There should have been shouts of "Starboard!" from the boats on starboard tack, and a protest flag raised..
Wrong angle of approach regarding the current and yeah no right what so ever coming from port side into the fleet
from the camera angle if he made 1 more duck before tacking he might have had room and the layline...hard to tell but at least no boats were harmed in the making of this film
@@SherpaBT It’s been a while since I hung out with the sailor folk on SF Bay, but I recall the J-24 crowd were a particularly competitive group in a sport that naturally attracts alpha males.
He could have tacked to clause haulled, then maybe he coulld have made it and have forced the others above the boy, it seems the otthers have oversailed, are less then clause hauled, and are reachting for the buoy
He could shot the mark and taken a 360 penalty
Didn't he tack in the zone onto starboard and therefore would not have any rights to mark room?
Most of the fleet on the layline were already close hauled. To push them up above that, even after tacking to starboard, would be a clear violation of 18.3. Look at the bubbles trailing from the mark, showing significant current. Making the mark from the position he was in would have been nearly impossible without letting most of the fleet go by.
Bad tactics. Never approach a windward mark on the port tack layline in a crowded situation. Could've been avoided though with better judgement by falling off below the right of way starboard tack boats and tacking onto starboard at a point where you can make the mark and not almost getting in irons instead. The skipper must be a novice.
Shocking - need to be a lot more aggressive.
Way too aggressive. They charged straight in chasing the lead boats on port tack. The one boat on on starboard tack dove away to avoid a collision. I call that a jerk merge. This is a weekend race in the bay. No one cares who wins unless you are one of the top racers. Beyond that no one gives a shit. Too many skippers out there who have money and want to prove they are king shit with a semi good crew who wants to race on an expensive boat for bragging rights. No thanks! When things get screwy. One competent person yelling is what saves the boat and race, when you have a semi competent weekend crew. In my opinion he would have done far better with tacking much higher to the mark and had a full speed run at the mark, being able to push right or left for the following boats.
Well that was simply JUST stupidity. Let's totally stuff this up team. Eye eye captain. "port","port." Louder. "PORT" "PORT". Dooooh🍩
Amateur hour! Lol
If I were such a poor skipper I would not have put it on RUclips for all to see. He made too many mistakes. Having raced in the US and Europe many times with four crew on a 33 foot boat, I was puzzled by 5 crew on a much smaller and more-easily handled boat. It is easy to understand why they were so far behind most of the fleet.
I know this might be a long shot, perhaps they were sailing for .....fun???