Hello, Prof. Dave, I just wanted to say that your inorganic chem videos have greatly helped me prepare for my competitive exams. Much love from India ❤
Thank you for your debunking, I can't bear to listen to 3+hrs of this crap, but I appreciate you bother scrutinising all these horrible toxic BS artists on RUclips.
he's treating science as a religion because all he knows how to do is debunk other religions. it doesn't work at all though because science is not a religion, it's a study.
If equating something with religion discredits said thing, what does that say about their religion? I don't think people like the ones in the video would even comprehend the irony in that.
Debunking what Darwin said while ignoring all research since then is like saying the first car built is the 1910s is slower than a horse, therefore all modern cars are slower than a horse
It's just cherry picking and misrepresenting statements. The whole "race" thing in Darwin's time just means different characteristics withing the same group. Darwin talks about race in relation to lettuce. Darwin is relatively easy to read, but the later research is hard. I just watched the Paulogia video about Creationist movie where they just flat out lie and when asked "can't quite recall" where they heard it...
Their ignorance of transitional species is equally laughable. If they stopped to think about it, they'd realise that transition is a constant process that applies to every organism, both past and present. The dictates of their magic book precludes them doing that, unfortunately. Islam is lame.
@@skateboardingjesus4006 big words for someone with 0 proof; you can't explain something from nothing, you can't explain life, you can't explain consciousness, you can't explain language, you can't even begin to try, all you have is bravado
Can’t tell which is worse on their end, the microphone quality or their arguments. Now you just need to find a Jewish Creationist to debunk and you’ll have a trinity of Abrahamic Dropouts
As a ex religious jew i really want to see it happening.... except islam, Judaism is one of the most toxic religions to be in, i have so many mental problems because of Judaism.
Maybe David Gottlieb. Dapper Dinosaur covered him recently. Mr. Gottlieb was on par with James Tour in terms of being a shouty-angry man who didn’t bother to learn about the things he was trying to debunk.
The fact that your obviously intoxicated responses are more coherent than all of the arguments laid out by the creationists was revealing. Also your drunken frustration was extremely funny. I didn't think I would last the 3 hour run time but the combo of well informed science info and alcohol worked really well.
At about the 2 hour mark, he's so deep in. Where it me, I would not even pause, just yell at the smug selfrighteous pricks about all their BS. Yet Dave is keeping it together under near alcohol poisoning levels.
8:20 - "If a Darwinist cones up to me..." If a Darwinist comes up to you, I'd be shocked. For the most part, there aren't any Darwinists walking around today. Science has moved on from mere Darwinism. Nobody who engages seriously in that discipline would call themselves that anymore. Welcome to the 21st century, we'd love to have you, but you can't seem to get through the door.
What they don't get is, while Darwin (and the oft unmentioned Wallace) were instrumental in establishing the theory of evolution, we have since moved away from what he thought at the time.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 It didn't have a clear explanation to trait inheritance until genetics so it's not like we moved away but rather improved its foundations. Even then, early on there were scientists (Thanks Lysenko, who wasn't even one) who vehemently opposed genetics which made Neo-darwinism a necessary designation of synthesis of natural selection with genetics.
@panjandrum.conundrum natural selection is just one mechanism. There's also genetic drift, gene flow, and mutation. Modern evolutionary biology has long since surpassed Darwin.
The bit about burden shifting at the start reminds me why apologists are so fond of oral debates: It’s a way of judoflipping the sophistication of the model and the abundance of evidence from asset to liability. In essence: “I missed a year of high school; teach it to me now. And calculus too while you’re at it.” It’s not a reasonable place to begin a conversation in realtime.
It's like walking up stairs essentially. You can learn bit by bit, step by step. Or you can do what creationists want you to do, and make great leaps to the top. Why would I explain atp synthesis when you don't understand punette squares?
Well said. Oftentimes when someone ignorant tries to debate, the knowledgeable side often gets the feeling that to even begin to debunk their claims would require an overwhelmingly deep dive to the very basics. It's hard to even articulate "where should I even begin", because of the awareness of the amount of basic knowledge required to make the ignorant side understand why they're wrong.
Literally nothing was refuted, u are just an empty case, giving me the same vibes of the people who spam Christ is king in debates without trying to listen at all 😊
@@bossman5452 lol "an empty case" says an anon account on youtube. i dont care what you believe but if youre trying to say that this wasnt a video refuting every point they made i feel sorry for you and hope you can learn more in the future.
Man, I love when creationists reference Pokemon when it comes to evolution, because Pokemon evolution is so clearly how they think actual evolution works.
I never thought about that, but it's absolutely true for many of them. In their minds, chimps leveled up one day and evolved instantaneously to a human. Many don't even acknowledge that there's a common ancestor, and we didn't evolve from modern apes.
@@fostenaThey also introduced the split evolution lines. Where exposing a pokemon to two different sets of conditions yields a different evolution. Eevee is the premier example. But things like Poliwhirl or Kirlia can evolve into Poliwrath or Politoad or Gardevoir or Gallade.
So glad you didn't do the "Take a shot every time they strawman/misrepresent, lie, say something stupid/wrong" thing... you'd be dead before the first 5 minute.
These guys do the same thing that every apologist does - they conflate colloquial terms with scientific ones in order to dismiss the scientific theory. It's the single most infuriating thing that creationists do.
Creationists love doing this. I remember when Kent Hovid fans used to say Stellar formation and Biological Diversification were the same because both use the term evolution as if everything that uses that term is the same theory.
I agree. It's especially infuriating because their whole ideology is full of vague metaphors. They sit and study for hours just trying to clear word definitions in scripture, but when it comes to science, they take whatever they think is the definition of a word and run with it.
Responding to Muslim creationism/science denial is sorely needed, thank you. The funniest example I saw was when Hamza Tzortis, a Muslim apologist said that embryology worked in X order. He didn't know the person he was talking to was an embryologist, who corrected him and said it worked in Y order. Hamza then, I shit you not, said, "well the word that's used in the Qur'an for describing the process could actually mean that too! So I'm still right!!" It's crazy.
I remember that, it was with PZ Myers I believe. Just goes to show it's impossible to reason with someone who's made up their mind or whose livelihood depends on said beliefs.
Hard alcohol? Just scotch. What we in England call "just a drink". But more to the point a brain damaged chimpanzee could debunk muslim apologetics. Honestly, as a whole they seem so much more stupid than the christian nuts. I suspect that deep down the average christian creotard knows he is spouting shite, but needs to keep the grift gong, but the average muslim version actually believes it.
2:25:00 I checked the last 2 papers for funzies. The 77% one says "For about 23% of our genome, we share no IMMEDIATE genetic ancestry with our closest living relative, the chimpanzee. This encompasses genes and exons to the same extent as intergenic regions. We conclude that about 1/3 of our genes started to evolve as human-specific lineages before the differentiation of human, chimps, and gorillas took place." It does not say that our genome has a 23% difference in the genome but that those 23% started to evolve alongside chimps but before we split from them... The last one is from "Institute for Creation Research" so it's to be disregarded.
I didn't click on the last link, but I'm sure that the 70% are from creationist Jeffrey Tomkins, who posted this result originally on Answers in Genesis. Later, people tried to reproduce his result and realized that his comparison has a lot of flaws and a buggy BLAST version. Tomkins himself even admitted this after much hesitation.
Dave. I am a molecular evolutionary biologist and phylogenetic systematist and you are spot on. They are just so ignorant. I would be happy to look into any of their specific claims if you want a more precise debunk.
I get the impression that these people think that laughing at a statement is in itself enough to refute it. There is no better way to demonstrate your ignorance than that, especially when it concerns science.
Anyone who giggles/laughs that much while trying to have a serious discussion about anything is just showing how little understanding they have of the topic.
Fascinated by how much time they spent calling out Cognitive Bias. "Researchers WANT to believe this, therefore everything proves it" Do I even need to explain what they're doing themselves...
"Researchers WANT to believe this! That's why every time they learn more they change their story! Because they're so devoted to believing that story despite all the evidence that they keep accounting for!" He really gave the game away when he compared it to Pokemon. "See these two equally fake things? See how they behave in exactly opposite ways?" Pokemon doesn't need to change because it's a story they're sticking to regardless of their lack of existence in reality. So the evolutionary theory keeps shifting slightly for....what reason again? I swear, I keep hearing people mock science for changing and then say "but the Bible never changes" as if that's a victory, and it hurts me that they don't see it. If you started out horribly incorrect, and then didn't change, you STAYED horribly incorrect! And something tells me the Quran hasn't changed all that much over time either.
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 I don't know the full story on this either, but what little I do know suggests that some denominations of Christianity have a slightly different collection of canon works than others. And since the religion is very all-or-nothing with these books, saying that one is either divine inspired truth or the apocryphal word of men who didn't know what the heck they were talking about, we end up with situations where the same one book can be treated by one group as divine and by their next-door neighbors as garbage. And even with all that freely picking of exactly what they want to include and what they want to ditch, somehow no one can find a combination of books that leaves you with one Bible without contradictions. It's really quite astounding.
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 what we now call “the bible” is a collection of literature written by dozens of people over the span of 400 years. the two sections of the bible are essentially completely different things. the “old testament” is a broad term for the many interpretations we have of the Hebrew bible, which are the religious writings of the ancient Israelites. its the grandfather of all Abrhramic religions, like Islam, Catholic, and all the denominations that fall under Christianity. the New Testament is what sets Christianity/Catholicism apart from the rest. The Hebrew bible had the prophecy about the “Messiah”, and some guy named Jesus came along and claimed to be the one the Israelites were talking about. the New Testament is a collection of writings from people who pretty much just followed Jesus around until he was executed, believing he was the son of god. Put both those books together, and you have the general form of our modern bible. Obviously a lot of factors go into interpreting all these writings from different people, in different situations, with different intentions, hundreds of years apart. Because of all those interpretations, you end up with 100 slightly different copies of the same thing. Hence the many different versions of the modern bible. Hope this helps
Pseudoscience methodology 1. Set up strawman of science 2.. Have no testable model and claims of your own 3. Move goal posts 4. Deliberately misunderstand evidence 5. Personal incredulity And repeat
1:47:50 This is what is written in the article he shows: "The new finding does not disprove or discredit the theory of evolution, and the researchers said randomness still plays a big role in mutations. But the study does show that these genetic alterations are more complex than scientists previously believed." Either this guy hasn't read the full article or has deliberately chosen not to show this.
If you think that a drunk guy is more reassuring, you have to think about your mental health bro. Your problem is that: you trust this guy blindly and you are not ready to judge him by your mind before decide. Take a minute think a little bit and make your own point of view.
@@chadtech2629 what a stupid comment. I judge him by what he says and how he clearly and consistently knows what he’s talking about. You, on the other hand, obviously blindly assume people who don’t share your views must do so without thought, right? Look in the mirror, BRO.
@Pammyspoint Writing how you speak is actually a sign of a higher IQ, not a failing education system. The King's English may suffer a tad, but interest on his royal lands should make up for it. Meanwhile, pedantic snobbery will always be, like, way more annoying.
Whenever i hear that i think about the Futurama scene where the Ape prof doesnt believe in evolution because of a "missing link". And my reaction is always the same Prof Farnsworth has: "I dont want to live on this planet anymore." lol
As someone else mentioned elsewhere the problem is they confuse and conflate colloquial meanings with scientific terms. It's the "evolution is just a theory" problem all over again.
They say, "Ignorance is bliss." The creationist has a goofy smile through the entire video. Professor Dave is increasingly frustrated. I guess They were right.
i literally thought of *that* phrase when i started watching this video. 😹 i thought, "ignorance is bliss? i will make sure to prove it wrong if i ever meet this dude in person" (by debating professionally, of course).
@@AbubakarRaji-c2z we transitioned from previous forms, and it got there through the same mechanisms as everything else: natural selection. If you're asking how it all got started its not entirely known, but we do have several potential explanations for how inorganic chemistry leads to organic chemistry and eventually self-replicating molecules.
@@AbubakarRaji-c2z google it. We are the offspring of hominids, members of the ape family of primates. We are mammals, we are related to every living thing. We look and act like apes and our dna matches, it’s just a fact.
When creationists like these talk, I am reminded of people saying that parrots are just copying the sounds and don't really grasp the meanings. They so often misuse words and concepts in ways that make it clear they are just making mouth sounds and don't actually understand the words they are making. The creationists I mean, I actually suspect parrots to be more intelligent.
they can associate some words with certain behaviors and objects and even a few somewhat abstract concepts like a proto understanding of it, but yeah they're marginally smarter than mr Snelling
I am a Muslim myself. I don't drink alcohol... but... after the arrogant, illogical and unscientific attitude of the brothers in their stream, I would have some to erase these long minutes on youtube from my memory 🤦 😅 Creationists and science deniers are the same everywhere, whatever their beliefs... The main thing is that science moves on, whatever they say - I hope so.
@@aqsashock219It’s very easy. You just don’t take the story literally. A fundamentalist reading of religious text is folly. Mohammed himself said there is no compulsion in Islam. You are free to see the story as an allegory and try to figure out the deeper truth behind it. If it was literally true then it would mean that we all came from brothers and sisters having kids which is gross anyways. Thankfully, all the scientific evidence shows us that we are connected to all life on earth via an unbroken chain that goes back literally billions of years.
I do like his typical debunks since he's able to completely decimate whoever he's responding to in those, he would actually have time to look through those studies and to in great detail show how they don't agree with them and that they can't read
@@zeendaniels5809 Where I live it was about 8 AM when I started watching.. if you do go for the soda make it caffeinated.. you're going to need it. And maybe some "liquid courage" as well.
5 minutes in - "I'll make it simple for you". Meaning "I'll omit everything that might not align perfectly with the message I want you to believe is the perfect truth". And the bright smile that he has in his voice shows the joy he has because he knows he will get the audience into believing whatever he says.
These two bros need to remember the term "willful ignorance". It's basically when you actually don't want to know or learn something. Especially if it conflicts with your worldview.
My favorite part is that they first claim evolutionary theory is false because it's unfalsifiable, but also claim that it's falsified by gradualism being untrue. It can't be both. Then their explanation is: God did it. The most unfalsifiable claim you can possibly have.
I had already sent an email to Forrest Valkai about this video so that he could debunk it. Finally it will no longer be necessary you did an excellent job professor Dave
I only got 2 1/2 hours into this and I think I deserve a medal just for that. Dave deserves the Noble prize for getting all the way through. I can’t go any further. This was painful.
The fact that Dave, clearly tipsy, can elucidate these creationist ramblings debunking each and every point with incredible accuracy is just a wonderful illustration of how ludicrous these said ramblings actually are.
Giraffe necks gradually getting longer over long periods of time? *Impossible!* An invisible man who spoke everything into existence? *Makes perfect sense.*
@@adrianmcbride1666 oh it's not a lie because it's modern? We have been deceived one way or another either 1% is a lie or 99% is a lie either way its our money they steal in taxes and we have no idea what they actually are researching
As a Muslim, THANK YOU. I was so embarrassed watching this guy completely fumble and giggle his way through his "arguments" and just generally confuse terms together and not understand anything he's talking about. I'm so grateful that you had the courtesy to say something nice about our tradition, and I just wanna say that your videos are so informative and helpful for me as someone who is actually trying to learn.
@@cameronhesketh6814 why do you think that? I can confirm that I'm perfectly happy and confident in my choices and I don't think there are any discrepancies between my faith and my pursuit in academia. Muslims have contributed greatly in various academic fields and fostered scientific research and philosophy for centuries. Unfortunately, however, uneducated, uncultured individuals tend to make the loudest noise. But I know you wouldn't fall for that, would you?
@@emoritzi Thank you. Kind words like these are very sweet and encouraging. Trust me, we're humble and hardworking people. This little obnoxious goblin giggler doesn't represent any but himself. I appreciate all this content that is being put out by the awesome science community, and will do my best to pass it onwards.
@@orangecaprinun i dont know what that cameron guy is talking about, i think people should let people believe in whatever as long as they arent at other peoples throats for no reason BECAUSE of that
Speaking of the Giraffe neck it was absolutely not a perfect evolution, and a good example of random beneficial mutation. If I remember correctly there is a nerve in their neck that loops down their neck and back up to their skull making a massive detour, that is not a perfect adaptation. Thats an example of a random mutation of an existing system where the neck grew longer and the other biology just adapted to it and did not redesign itself into a perfect system.
The recurrent laryngeal nerve. Worked fine in our distant fishy ancestors but once we developed necks in the Devonian and Carboniferous not so much. Also the valves in the blood vessels in their necks are easily explained by similar valves in their (and our) legs. Evolution found a way to adapt like it always does.
Correct. It's the "Vagus" nerve. Giraffes btw have the exact same number of neck vertebrae as all other mammals, with 2 exceptions. There's always exceptions 😅
i realise these lads were tossers, but i dont think using their idiocy to suggest 'islam is bad' is fair. scientology is a cult, the moonies were a cult, i dont think the main religions are. i think they are all incomprehensibly odd, but not cults.
It's incredibly painful to witness such overconfident ignorance. He also arrogantly laughs all the time like an idiot. I couldn't bear to watch it to the end.
You’re looking at it wrong. I seen them laugh at science, I laugh at them not having a single clue what they are even talking about. Their confidence is just the cherry on top 🤦♂️😄
Damn its hard as a Muslim to watch this crappy presentation. Dave your intellectual capacity is far more than them and I am not sure why the Muslim preachers try to equate both religion and science without any understanding of the subject. I applaud your patience Dave!
The baboon bone in Lucy's neck was quite literally already hypothesized in the original paper as it didn't seem to fit 100%. To then turn around and state it as if it's this magic discovery that debunkes evilution!!!!! is hilarious
The people who examined Lucy was already like "Hmm 🤔 this bone looks odd and we're not sure it was from the same skeleton". Guess they're CLUELESS heh? The irony of creationists try to debunk scientists with science will never stop being funny. 😂
Exactly the kind of morally bankrupt stiff I would expect an EVILutionist to drink. See him trying to drink whisky without admitting in his heart that the true God's whisky is Jack Daniel's! Foolish infidel you deny the truth in your apostasy! /SARCASM/
Because to them, science is like their religion so if someone were to disprove the existence of Mohamed the prophet, it would destroy Islam. Hence, if you disprove what Darwin said, you can ignore 160 years of science since then.
Hey Dave !!I .. just wanted to say that i’ve been watching your videos for a few years now and I’ve been subscribed since day one of seeing your flat earth Dave epic display of dismantling a shrew. Thank you for your well put together, intelligent and just straight up Good content. as long as you’re making videos, I’ll be watching them. Keep up the good work mate, cheers.!!
Damn Dave, you really sat through all of this bull and keep it more civil than I'd expect. I've watched it in entirety and I appreciate the hard work you put into this...
No he (SAW) Didn't. Al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj has been thoroughly documented, with over 20 Companions narrating this event. The reports of al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj alone outweigh the reports of the rest of the Meccan era combined. However, the researcher is tasked with differentiating fact from fiction, as grandiose stories attract storytellers, and al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj is the most magnificent story of all. As with any event, reports on the topic are assessed to distinguish the most authentic narrations. The researcher must also compare interpretations; some believe that al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj was a dream, or that the Prophet travelled in spirit, but that is not the case. As a bona fide miracle from Allah, the Prophet physically journeyed-in a state of wakefulness-from Mecca to Jerusalem, and then to the Heavens and back, within a single night. There is a difference of opinion as to when al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj took place. However, there are some indications. ʿĀ’ishah narrated, “Khadījah died before the prayer became obligatory.”302 This is definitive proof that al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj took place within the last 18 months of the Meccan era because the prayer was made obligatory in al-Miʿrāj. The day, or even month, of the event is unknown, and any specified date is not authentically narrated. It is yet another indication that the Companions did not place great emphasis on the dates and anniversaries of major events; they focused on the substance of the events rather than commemorating its existence. The Prophet was sleeping at home when Jibrīl arrived and took him to the Ḥaṭīmi to pray two units (rakʿāt) of prayer. The Prophet narrated. “Jibrīl opened up my chest and brought a bowl made of gold filled with Zamzam.ii He took out my heart, washed it, and put it back.”305 This is the second time that Jibrīl washed the Prophet’s heart, however on this occasion he did not need to remove a black spot. Nevertheless, his heart needed to be washed with Zamzam to prepare it for the overwhelmingly awe-inspiring sights to come. As Allah stated, “He certainly saw some of his Lord’s greatest signs.”306 It was through Allah’s divine intervention and special facilitation that the Prophet was able to traverse into the Heavens without being subjected to any of the physical laws of this world.307 The Prophet continued, “Jibrīl then brought me a beast, smaller than a mule but bigger than a donkey, pure white, called al-Burāq. Each of its strides is as far as the eye can see.” The word “burāq” stems from the root word “barq” which means “lightning”, denoting its lightning speed. However, al-Burāq is a physical animal, created of flesh and blood, not a spiritual creature. There are no authentically narrated reports about a winged horse. Al-Burāq had a harness and saddle, and Jibrīl held the harness as the Prophet mounted. Al-Burāq neighed, and Jibrīl tugged the harness, saying, “Woe to you! Are you not shy? By Allah, no-one has ridden you that is more blessed in the eyes of Allah than your current rider!”308 The Prophet continued, “I rode al-Burāq and he took me to al-Aqsa Mosque. I tied al-Burāq to the animal posts used by the Prophets, and I entered and prayed two units of prayer.” Source: From "The Sirah of the Prophet (pbuh): An Original and Contemporary Analysis" By Yasir Qadhi, 2023
@@ColinJarrett honestly this one of the more dubious claims of the hadith because of how much modern islamic scholars rely on them without using historical context as a muslim i moved away from alot of that narrative
Listening to this Muslim is like listening to a 5-year-old trying to tell you about his favorite pokemon. He's so excited that he's stumbling over all his words, And he can't stop giggling.
A lot of people probably enjoy the debunk vids for drama's sake, but I really like the actual stuff you learn along with it as he debunks it all. Best of both worlds.
I want more Drunk Debunks. 3 hours... absolutely great. Even a little tipsy, being able to pick apart con men that attempt and succeed at tricking people just shows how important, and useful, an actual good education can benefit you.
@@fnaffan6999 I'm yet to understand why there are so many Anti-Religious people here not just people who don't believe in religion but people who actively make fun of it and the people who practice it, these creationists are literally the loud minority ruining the image of everyone else and you consider two religions fighting to be a good thing? Kind of a fucked up way to think if you ask me. As it would be idiotic to think Faith is Science in the first place, I grew up Christian and I don't debate the truth of science, nor do I disavow my Religious faith. But It's odd to me that people don't know how to live and let live, or just simply be respectful.
The fact that they seriously believe that the scientific explanation for Giraffes’ long necks is that one day they just started stretching them is absolutely hilarious. It shows a flagrant lack in understanding of basic biology and common sense.
Ive talked with suboor a couple of times. He just lies about the philosophical literature and doesnt understand shit about science. Hes a billboard for sophistry.
@@ttheno1 No, the còrrèct meàning of thè wòrd is "to ànàlyzè" not "to reàd". Còz Rasulullah càn't reàd, and Jìbril (as) neèd to rèpèàt 3 tìmes ùntil Rasulullah get it that it's not "reàd", but "ànàlyzè". "Ànàlyze the èvents hàppènèd on your sùrroùndìng, that èvèrything was còming from à sìnglè soùrce and by à sìnglè caùsès, whìch is Thè Òrìgìnàl Creàtor." That's the meàning of the 1st àyàt. Sùràh Al-'Alàq àyàt 1-5 was Allah tèllìng Rasulullah, and also ùs, about the còrrèct mèthòd to ùndèrstànd islam. I càll it thè Iqrà mèthòd. Whìch was ùsèd by Rasulullah and all thè sàhàbà (ra) to ùndèrstànd The Qùr'an, Sùnnàh, and Hàdìth. Àyàt 6-19 was for thòse who doesn't ùsè thè Iqrà mèthod mèntiònèd in àyàt 1-5 to ùndèrstànd islam, and spreàd the wròng islam tò the ùmàh. While they thèmsèlf know that they àrè just creàting cònfùsiòn on the ùmàh. Èxàmplè, thè tèxtuàl mèthòd whìch màkès them doing tàkfìr to màny. Likè the ùlàma on mèccà todày, or thè khàwàrìj at thè tìme of thè sàhàba.
The giraffe neck example makes me think he has a distant memory of a simple diagram/ explanation of Lexmark's theory...maybe? At a stretch (pauses for laugh) i suppose Lemark could be said to have preempted epigenetics?? Overall it's a willfully ignorant example.
Since that came right after he spoke about Cambrian Explosion, I wonder if he also confused and thinking that giraffe's were hanging around in that period.
24:45 I believe he is referring to Lamarckian evolution, which was the idea that organisms would pass on physical changes that occurred during their lifetime; the common example being a giraffe stretching its neck to reach higher leaves, and somehow this constant physical stretching results in the offspring having longer necks.
@@noodle_tax Well, technically he didn't say HE thinks that; he was actually mocking the idea. But he was trying to act like Lamarckian evolution was some sort of mainstream idea that represents the field of evolutionary biology, even though we've known it isn't true for over a hundred years.
@@alexeypolevoybass Thank for the suggestion, but no, I am good without torturing myself that way. I am lucky that I worked out that religion was BS at a very early age, and I had an environment where that was OK. In many countries that realisation would be fatal.
Biologists: "Here is all the evidence for evolution: The fossil record including tons of transitional species, phylogeny & anatomy, genetics(DNA), embryology(EVO-DEVO), molecular biology, chemistry, and much much more. Not to mention, DIRECT OBSERVATION!" Creationists: wave their hands and say, "That doesn't prove a thing!"
this was extremely painful to listen too. thank you Dave for your constant scientific take and 100% believe we need more of you to fight back on the science denial
The reason why creationists look to Darwin and treat him like he represents current day thought is because they cling to ancient and outdated books themselves.
These types of videos are indeed very fun to watch, and I’ve learned quite a bit from these videos. I get to learn not only what is actually true, but also how to debunk what is false, with what information to debunk it with, and why that information debunks it. Thank you for the 3-hour lesson, Professor.
@@Cheepchipsable That, and I have noticed they turn me into quite the pessimist for the rest of the day if I watch enough of them. It’s really easy to ruin your mood hearing stupid people regurgitate the same BS all the time. It’s honestly exhausting.
"Show me a transitional species alive today..." I'm no biologist but I'm thinking EVERY species alive today will either eventually evolve into another species, and hence is a transitional species, and/or it will eventually go extinct. Such a fundamental misunderstanding to even formulate this question. It's like, "I don't believe in rain, only water droplets. Show me "rain" at this precise instant in time... you can't, can you..."
dude why is muslim apologetics so much lower quality compared to christian apologetics. these muslims are like a coupled decades behind in terms of arguments. has anyone noticed?
It's a thing.💔I'm verrrry lucky to be in 🇨🇦 & thus in the 17th most Atheist Nation on earth. So Muslims move here *mostly* when they're already prog. 🇨🇦Islamic apologists (tho' I've never met one IRL) are comparable to 🇺🇲Xians. But there aren't many Islamic apologists here either. SADLY? The awful people who crawl from 🇨🇦's "icy tundra" (Jordan Peterson, Gavin McG,... uhhh - Shania Twain {she ❤s 45 & ignorance, etc...}) move to 🇺🇲. Cos most 🇨🇦s tend to truly feel icked out by 'em. 🇨🇦Muslims-at least here in Toronto-formed a human shield to Block a small-but not insignificant group-of a rare gaggle of 🇨🇦evangelis who'd arrived to destroy Pride, 2019. I also think MAYBE Muslim Apologists aren't showing 'game' cos Xianity's the Majority Religion on EARTH & Hence? Science & Atheism tends to hit back harder against N⁰2-of-3 Abe Faiths - like, mb this causes Xians to try even harder? Dunno. But yeah - I've noticed it too.
I suspect it’s simply a setting issue. Assuming that you’re in a primarily english-speaking country like mine, we have a long history of christianity involved in higher education and so there’s been dedicated focus to come up with sophisticated apologetics and disseminate them. In other words, even rando christian apologists are familiar with the kalam , the teleological argument, etc. However, muslim apologists don’t have that foundation so they literally just say w/e BS pops into their heads. In muslim-majority countries I imagine that they have apologetics closer in quality to the christian ones we’re familiar with and that christian apologetics are the ones that suck there. At least I hope so, for my own peace of mind.
He is incredibly disingenuous and mocking, but it’s all in support of a supernatural worldview that he cannot justify. He seems to prefer citing debunked sources like Maurice Bucaille or Keith Moore and go on the attack. He never engages in actual debates with strict rules, rebuttals and Q&A, preferring to be in control of the forum and even throw ad hominem at his interlocutors.
@@niemand6031 it’s hard to tell. It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance for one to study islam as diligently as he has, yet dismiss all of evolution with hardly any research. This guy probably has read thousands of Hadiths and spoken to many scholars about them, so to dismiss evolution without any detailed explanation why is just reckless.
The problem this people have is that they think animals evolve like pokemon, that would be metamorphosis... And a pretty extreme one. They can't grasp the time needed for evolution to work, they hear sudden or explotion and think it happened instantly, like a velociraptor lay an egg and a chicken came out of it.
Hello, Prof. Dave, I just wanted to say that your inorganic chem videos have greatly helped me prepare for my competitive exams. Much love from India ❤
word!
Nice one! Bloody good luck with them! 👍☮️😀
Jee aspirant?
Thought you said "ignorant chem videos" 😂
@@Rimlick i could never 💀
Drinking alcohol before debunking muslim creationists is a power move.
That or self medicating for the coming pain.. and the stupid from the muslim video is painful
Epic power move though he did look a little tipsy at the end
islamophobic lmao
Laphroaig scotch, no less.
Next time he'll add a bacon sandwich
Thank you for your debunking, I can't bear to listen to 3+hrs of this crap, but I appreciate you bother scrutinising all these horrible toxic BS artists on RUclips.
Where was the debunking?
@@almohanadalsabti7570 Did you watch the video?
In the video you fool
@@MaximeTremblay-qy3bc why didn’t Dave accept the debate against subboor Ahmad and resorted to using insults?
@@almohanadalsabti7570oh no, another stubborn beard boy
he's treating science as a religion because all he knows how to do is debunk other religions. it doesn't work at all though because science is not a religion, it's a study.
How can a muslim debunk christian? It’s like water calling other water wet 😂😂
@@deivytrajan Or like fire calling other fire hot
If equating something with religion discredits said thing, what does that say about their religion?
I don't think people like the ones in the video would even comprehend the irony in that.
@@deivytrajanno they definitely can. Christianity makes a whole lot of false claims that anyone can debunk.
@@deivytrajanChristianity is just the previous 2/3 of Islam, so I don’t understand these people
3 hours??! Lets go dave, this one should last me until your next video comes out
Debunking what Darwin said while ignoring all research since then is like saying the first car built is the 1910s is slower than a horse, therefore all modern cars are slower than a horse
Cars are a religion you just want to worship.
It's just cherry picking and misrepresenting statements.
The whole "race" thing in Darwin's time just means different characteristics withing the same group. Darwin talks about race in relation to lettuce.
Darwin is relatively easy to read, but the later research is hard.
I just watched the Paulogia video about Creationist movie where they just flat out lie and when asked "can't quite recall" where they heard it...
Their ignorance of transitional species is equally laughable. If they stopped to think about it, they'd realise that transition is a constant process that applies to every organism, both past and present.
The dictates of their magic book precludes them doing that, unfortunately. Islam is lame.
@@skateboardingjesus4006 Religions that attempt to discredit truth through outright lies are lame. Which is many of them and their followers
@@skateboardingjesus4006 big words for someone with 0 proof; you can't explain something from nothing, you can't explain life, you can't explain consciousness, you can't explain language, you can't even begin to try, all you have is bravado
Can’t tell which is worse on their end, the microphone quality or their arguments.
Now you just need to find a Jewish Creationist to debunk and you’ll have a trinity of Abrahamic Dropouts
There is a Jewish member of the DI who once called Dave Antisemetic. That one will be really fun.
I am glad Dave decreased the video's volume.
It's 2007 youtube over in the Muslim creationist sphere
As a ex religious jew i really want to see it happening....
except islam, Judaism is one of the most toxic religions to be in, i have so many mental problems because of Judaism.
Maybe David Gottlieb. Dapper Dinosaur covered him recently. Mr. Gottlieb was on par with James Tour in terms of being a shouty-angry man who didn’t bother to learn about the things he was trying to debunk.
The fact that your obviously intoxicated responses are more coherent than all of the arguments laid out by the creationists was revealing. Also your drunken frustration was extremely funny. I didn't think I would last the 3 hour run time but the combo of well informed science info and alcohol worked really well.
At about the 2 hour mark, he's so deep in. Where it me, I would not even pause, just yell at the smug selfrighteous pricks about all their BS. Yet Dave is keeping it together under near alcohol poisoning levels.
8:20 - "If a Darwinist cones up to me..."
If a Darwinist comes up to you, I'd be shocked. For the most part, there aren't any Darwinists walking around today. Science has moved on from mere Darwinism. Nobody who engages seriously in that discipline would call themselves that anymore. Welcome to the 21st century, we'd love to have you, but you can't seem to get through the door.
What they don't get is, while Darwin (and the oft unmentioned Wallace) were instrumental in establishing the theory of evolution, we have since moved away from what he thought at the time.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 It didn't have a clear explanation to trait inheritance until genetics so it's not like we moved away but rather improved its foundations.
Even then, early on there were scientists (Thanks Lysenko, who wasn't even one) who vehemently opposed genetics which made Neo-darwinism a necessary designation of synthesis of natural selection with genetics.
Muslims are comfortable in the 15th century
An actual example or argument would really help here. The process of natural selection, its mechanism, is undisputed.
@panjandrum.conundrum natural selection is just one mechanism. There's also genetic drift, gene flow, and mutation. Modern evolutionary biology has long since surpassed Darwin.
I'm one of those 5 that have been begging for this debunk. Thank you for destroying these creationists, Dave. Much love from Iceland! 🥳
Unrelated, but are there a lot of Muslims in Iceland?
From what I've read they're secular / Christian, but religion isn't a dominant force. @@jcnot9712
@@jcnot9712 Around 1500 (0.4%)
Everyone in Iceland loves Dave.
@@jcnot9712 not really but creationism is very popular here and they're outsourced from places like the middle east too
The bit about burden shifting at the start reminds me why apologists are so fond of oral debates: It’s a way of judoflipping the sophistication of the model and the abundance of evidence from asset to liability. In essence: “I missed a year of high school; teach it to me now. And calculus too while you’re at it.” It’s not a reasonable place to begin a conversation in realtime.
well said
Except this pair seem to have missed more than just a year of high school.
It's like walking up stairs essentially. You can learn bit by bit, step by step. Or you can do what creationists want you to do, and make great leaps to the top. Why would I explain atp synthesis when you don't understand punette squares?
Well said. Oftentimes when someone ignorant tries to debate, the knowledgeable side often gets the feeling that to even begin to debunk their claims would require an overwhelmingly deep dive to the very basics. It's hard to even articulate "where should I even begin", because of the awareness of the amount of basic knowledge required to make the ignorant side understand why they're wrong.
@@Minisynapse "Don't argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" lmfao
dave literally got drunk and still refuted every single last claim lmfaoo i love you dave great work as always
Literally nothing was refuted, u are just an empty case, giving me the same vibes of the people who spam Christ is king in debates without trying to listen at all 😊
@@bossman5452 >"Literally nothing was refuted"
You can always watch the video you know
@@arsenicuu I watched the video waiting for rebuttal, he just pauses and disagree, and doesn’t refute anything
@@arsenicuu maybe you should watch the video again
@@bossman5452 lol "an empty case" says an anon account on youtube. i dont care what you believe but if youre trying to say that this wasnt a video refuting every point they made i feel sorry for you and hope you can learn more in the future.
That guy says “okay” every three words and yet at no point did he say anything that could remotely be described as being “okay”
Right?
And than giggles like a child when nothing he said at any point was remotely humorous
Ya heard
Right? OK. Hahaha! Moving on.
Yeah, that bothers me too.
But not just that 😅
Mr. Farina! DRINK, DRINK, DRINK! (Imagine it with Tour's voice in your head)
The moment I see “Mr. Farina!!!”
MR FARINA, DRAW CHEMICALS MAKING UP THAT SCOTCH ON A CHALKBOARD OR ITS NOT REAL !!!
Hahaha best comment
Lmaooo
@@Floodsye "Phospholipids! clueless!"
Man, I love when creationists reference Pokemon when it comes to evolution, because Pokemon evolution is so clearly how they think actual evolution works.
I never thought about that, but it's absolutely true for many of them. In their minds, chimps leveled up one day and evolved instantaneously to a human. Many don't even acknowledge that there's a common ancestor, and we didn't evolve from modern apes.
Funnily enough, in recent years Pokemon introduced realistic examples of "actually evolved" Pokemons: the Alola variants.
Someone did the math on pokemon evolution - it's basically a biological WMD.
@@fostenaThey also introduced the split evolution lines. Where exposing a pokemon to two different sets of conditions yields a different evolution. Eevee is the premier example. But things like Poliwhirl or Kirlia can evolve into Poliwrath or Politoad or Gardevoir or Gallade.
@McCarthyJohn100 I dunno what you're talking about. My parents threw a moonstone at a bird and it turned into me.
semi-drunk Professor Dave ranting while listening to ignorant science deniers is SUCH a next level vibe ahahhaha
Those two morons sounded more drunk than Dave.
So glad you didn't do the "Take a shot every time they strawman/misrepresent, lie, say something stupid/wrong" thing... you'd be dead before the first 5 minute.
*5 seconds
Right, alcohol poisoning would've been inevitable.
he would not be awake to present if he did that, and this is assuming he had like Irish level of tolerance
These guys do the same thing that every apologist does - they conflate colloquial terms with scientific ones in order to dismiss the scientific theory. It's the single most infuriating thing that creationists do.
Extremely
Creationists love doing this. I remember when Kent Hovid fans used to say Stellar formation and Biological Diversification were the same because both use the term evolution as if everything that uses that term is the same theory.
@@DavisJ-ln6fw they *still* do this, not just kent hovind but his adopted abusive gremlin matt powell does it too.
I agree. It's especially infuriating because their whole ideology is full of vague metaphors. They sit and study for hours just trying to clear word definitions in scripture, but when it comes to science, they take whatever they think is the definition of a word and run with it.
The only thing more infuriating is their moronic snickering and giggling as they prove their level of utter ignorance
Responding to Muslim creationism/science denial is sorely needed, thank you.
The funniest example I saw was when Hamza Tzortis, a Muslim apologist said that embryology worked in X order. He didn't know the person he was talking to was an embryologist, who corrected him and said it worked in Y order. Hamza then, I shit you not, said, "well the word that's used in the Qur'an for describing the process could actually mean that too! So I'm still right!!" It's crazy.
Hamza logic is wild man…
Interpretation is one of religion's super powers.
Remind Hamza Tzortis that those evil heathen Greek understood embryology a few thousand years before his so called divinely inspire fanfic was written
@@solacedagony1234more like their only power
I remember that, it was with PZ Myers I believe. Just goes to show it's impossible to reason with someone who's made up their mind or whose livelihood depends on said beliefs.
“Why didn’t rabbits grow wings” is a way better argument against intelligent design than against evolution
The sheer fact that this man can drink hard alcohol and still take down apologetics is amazing, what a legend
just goes to show, that even a man slurring his words can prove evolution!
Hard alcohol? Just scotch. What we in England call "just a drink". But more to the point a brain damaged chimpanzee could debunk muslim apologetics. Honestly, as a whole they seem so much more stupid than the christian nuts. I suspect that deep down the average christian creotard knows he is spouting shite, but needs to keep the grift gong, but the average muslim version actually believes it.
@@shreyvaradFacts
Greetings Helldiver
Yea he can handle his alcohol 😂
The smugness in their tone while they know absolutely nothing about anything they're talking about hurts to listen to.
Ok? Ok? Ok? Ok? Yeah?
@@dieudebois I don't wanna go into too much detail. I don't want to pronounce that.
Yeah this is it for me as well, it's either this or the dishonesty that makes it equally grating.
Dunning Kruger effect in full display.
Hey you just described majority of muslims with that statement
2:25:00 I checked the last 2 papers for funzies. The 77% one says "For about 23% of our genome, we share no IMMEDIATE genetic ancestry with our closest living relative, the chimpanzee. This encompasses genes and exons to the same extent as intergenic regions. We conclude that about 1/3 of our genes started to evolve as human-specific lineages before the differentiation of human, chimps, and gorillas took place." It does not say that our genome has a 23% difference in the genome but that those 23% started to evolve alongside chimps but before we split from them...
The last one is from "Institute for Creation Research" so it's to be disregarded.
I didn't click on the last link, but I'm sure that the 70% are from creationist Jeffrey Tomkins, who posted this result originally on Answers in Genesis. Later, people tried to reproduce his result and realized that his comparison has a lot of flaws and a buggy BLAST version. Tomkins himself even admitted this after much hesitation.
Dave. I am a molecular evolutionary biologist and phylogenetic systematist and you are spot on. They are just so ignorant. I would be happy to look into any of their specific claims if you want a more precise debunk.
@@HeathOgdenyou should man, would be interesting to hear, or see a video on. I'd watch it
I get the impression that these people think that laughing at a statement is in itself enough to refute it. There is no better way to demonstrate your ignorance than that, especially when it concerns science.
Anyone who giggles/laughs that much while trying to have a serious discussion about anything is just showing how little understanding they have of the topic.
The giggling is a close second to the science denial.🤨
Fascinated by how much time they spent calling out Cognitive Bias.
"Researchers WANT to believe this, therefore everything proves it"
Do I even need to explain what they're doing themselves...
basically, replace _researchers_ with [insert apologist religion] 🤣
"Researchers WANT to believe this! That's why every time they learn more they change their story! Because they're so devoted to believing that story despite all the evidence that they keep accounting for!"
He really gave the game away when he compared it to Pokemon. "See these two equally fake things? See how they behave in exactly opposite ways?" Pokemon doesn't need to change because it's a story they're sticking to regardless of their lack of existence in reality. So the evolutionary theory keeps shifting slightly for....what reason again?
I swear, I keep hearing people mock science for changing and then say "but the Bible never changes" as if that's a victory, and it hurts me that they don't see it. If you started out horribly incorrect, and then didn't change, you STAYED horribly incorrect!
And something tells me the Quran hasn't changed all that much over time either.
@riluna3695 this is probably a stupid question, but arent there several different bibles from over the centuries?
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 I don't know the full story on this either, but what little I do know suggests that some denominations of Christianity have a slightly different collection of canon works than others. And since the religion is very all-or-nothing with these books, saying that one is either divine inspired truth or the apocryphal word of men who didn't know what the heck they were talking about, we end up with situations where the same one book can be treated by one group as divine and by their next-door neighbors as garbage.
And even with all that freely picking of exactly what they want to include and what they want to ditch, somehow no one can find a combination of books that leaves you with one Bible without contradictions. It's really quite astounding.
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 what we now call “the bible” is a collection of literature written by dozens of people over the span of 400 years. the two sections of the bible are essentially completely different things.
the “old testament” is a broad term for the many interpretations we have of the Hebrew bible, which are the religious writings of the ancient Israelites. its the grandfather of all Abrhramic religions, like Islam, Catholic, and all the denominations that fall under Christianity.
the New Testament is what sets Christianity/Catholicism apart from the rest. The Hebrew bible had the prophecy about the “Messiah”, and some guy named Jesus came along and claimed to be the one the Israelites were talking about. the New Testament is a collection of writings from people who pretty much just followed Jesus around until he was executed, believing he was the son of god.
Put both those books together, and you have the general form of our modern bible. Obviously a lot of factors go into interpreting all these writings from different people, in different situations, with different intentions, hundreds of years apart. Because of all those interpretations, you end up with 100 slightly different copies of the same thing. Hence the many different versions of the modern bible.
Hope this helps
Pseudoscience methodology
1. Set up strawman of science
2.. Have no testable model and claims of your own
3. Move goal posts
4. Deliberately misunderstand evidence
5. Personal incredulity
And repeat
And most importantly, project all that onto science and scientists
@@am45_001 Also "AlLaÄä"heave sound"aeäh"
@@mursuhillo242lol wut?
you forgot 6) project 1-5 onto the opposing side. rinse, repeat.
MR. FARINA! GO! GO! GO! GO! YOU DON'T DO IT!
1:47:50 This is what is written in the article he shows:
"The new finding does not disprove or discredit the theory of evolution, and the researchers said randomness still plays a big role in mutations. But the study does show that these genetic alterations are more complex than scientists previously believed."
Either this guy hasn't read the full article or has deliberately chosen not to show this.
Or he's stupid and doesn't understand words good.
Probably the ladder. They admitted to deliberately trying to influence people to believe in their magic sky daddy.
Gosh, a quote mining creationist? No, that's impossible!
Can’t believe youtube actually allowed someone to upload nearly three and a half hours of uncut self harm 😭😭
Drunk Dave is still reassuringly smart
He's still orders of magnitude smarter while drunk than these guys.. or likely most of us! 😁
He knows a lot about the science stufffff, Drunkard Dave Explains!
@@Psi34ax😂you made me laugh like a toddler!
If you think that a drunk guy is more reassuring, you have to think about your mental health bro.
Your problem is that: you trust this guy blindly and you are not ready to judge him by your mind before decide. Take a minute think a little bit and make your own point of view.
@@chadtech2629 what a stupid comment. I judge him by what he says and how he clearly and consistently knows what he’s talking about. You, on the other hand, obviously blindly assume people who don’t share your views must do so without thought, right? Look in the mirror, BRO.
The smoke alarm in their room is conveying more accurate information than the apologist is
That's just Allah telling them to shut the fuck up because they are embarrassing even him.
do they like, just not hear it or something?
@@MEGABUMSTENCH maybe the carbon monoxide is making them think that what they say makes sense
@Pammyspoint Writing how you speak is actually a sign of a higher IQ, not a failing education system. The King's English may suffer a tad, but interest on his royal lands should make up for it. Meanwhile, pedantic snobbery will always be, like, way more annoying.
There is no stronger confidence than confidence of a fool.
Water isn't wet, it makes other things wet.
The only real important question:is water wet?
@@djw7141 Water ice and vapour aren't wet.
@@traog but what if you pour liquid water on ice? Is it wet? Or just not frozen?
@@djw7141 If you pour water on a piece of steel is it wet? The frozen water isn't wet, liquid water on it's surface is but the ice isn't.
@@traog so if you pour water on some steel, the steel is not wet, but the water is? Hmmmmmm………
It's so strange, every time a creationist talks about the absence of transitional fossils I immediately hear yodeling.
SciManDan style yodeling by chance? lol
@@ijustwanttolikecomments4677 More like Dapper Dinosaur style yodeling
Whenever i hear that i think about the Futurama scene where the Ape prof doesnt believe in evolution because of a "missing link".
And my reaction is always the same Prof Farnsworth has: "I dont want to live on this planet anymore." lol
I'm seriously starting to have a love/hate relationship with Dapper Dinosaur, the bastard plays the entire thing every time.
ok then, where are the transitional fossils?
3+ hours? I have assignments due this weekend damnit!!
not anymore!! :D
I'm a uni teacher marking a pile of essays - this is just what I need to get me through it!
Maybe do what I am doing and open Word and randomly add/remove punctuation while you have this video on. I also made my bibliography and title page 😆
Prepare for the assignment youll watch the video later lol.
You realise there is a pause button, yes?
vestigial ≠ useless
When will creationists finally understand this?
Vestigial means altered function or reduced function
As someone else mentioned elsewhere the problem is they confuse and conflate colloquial meanings with scientific terms. It's the "evolution is just a theory" problem all over again.
They won't.....they can't accept anything, because accepting 1 thing unravels the whole ball of twine.
When pigs fly.
@@rembrandt972ifyYeah, and God knows that would take *-at least-* an additional few millions years of evolution... :')
I swear he thinks that giraffes extending their neck length happened over the course of an afternoon. No wonder he's got himself so flabbergasted.
They say, "Ignorance is bliss."
The creationist has a goofy smile through the entire video. Professor Dave is increasingly frustrated.
I guess They were right.
i literally thought of *that* phrase when i started watching this video. 😹
i thought, "ignorance is bliss? i will make sure to prove it wrong if i ever meet this dude in person" (by debating professionally, of course).
I wish I was ignorant of apologists.
@@deadytm you can join his live stream q&a on the weekends for questions
@@deadytm
you can join his live stream on Muslim lantern youtube channel
Professor dave is not even a professor
he's a high school teacher
that's how dumb you guys are for learning from a scammer Lol
Simplest concept of evolution: EVERY species is a transitional species.
Species is a label of convenience. But the literal minded, can’t cope.
From what did we originally transition from? And how did it get there?(personal questions)
@@AbubakarRaji-c2z Investigate "Abiogenesis". While it is not complete, it gets us most of the way there and progressing farther every day.
@@AbubakarRaji-c2z we transitioned from previous forms, and it got there through the same mechanisms as everything else: natural selection. If you're asking how it all got started its not entirely known, but we do have several potential explanations for how inorganic chemistry leads to organic chemistry and eventually self-replicating molecules.
@@AbubakarRaji-c2z google it. We are the offspring of hominids, members of the ape family of primates. We are mammals, we are related to every living thing.
We look and act like apes and our dna matches, it’s just a fact.
When creationists like these talk, I am reminded of people saying that parrots are just copying the sounds and don't really grasp the meanings. They so often misuse words and concepts in ways that make it clear they are just making mouth sounds and don't actually understand the words they are making. The creationists I mean, I actually suspect parrots to be more intelligent.
That's as profound as it is terrifying.
As a bird keeper, can confirm
they can associate some words with certain behaviors and objects and even a few somewhat abstract concepts like a proto understanding of it, but yeah they're marginally smarter than mr Snelling
😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 I don’t even think they could win this argument.
If a parrot can learn to open their cage, and get away from them for being stupid.
I am a Muslim myself. I don't drink alcohol... but... after the arrogant, illogical and unscientific attitude of the brothers in their stream, I would have some to erase these long minutes on youtube from my memory 🤦 😅
Creationists and science deniers are the same everywhere, whatever their beliefs... The main thing is that science moves on, whatever they say - I hope so.
Thank you for keeping an open mind.
Same I’m Muslim but you can’t deny literal facts and how evolution has been observed time and time again
@@penguin1028 How can we as Muslims reconcile evolution with Adam and Eve?
@@aqsashock219It’s very easy. You just don’t take the story literally. A fundamentalist reading of religious text is folly. Mohammed himself said there is no compulsion in Islam. You are free to see the story as an allegory and try to figure out the deeper truth behind it.
If it was literally true then it would mean that we all came from brothers and sisters having kids which is gross anyways. Thankfully, all the scientific evidence shows us that we are connected to all life on earth via an unbroken chain that goes back literally billions of years.
@@aqsashock219You could imagine them as the first modern homosapiens
I love how you start sounding completely wasted at about the middle point, but still way more coherent than them.
It’s like instinct for him, to debunk creationism at all cause
I do like his typical debunks since he's able to completely decimate whoever he's responding to in those, he would actually have time to look through those studies and to in great detail show how they don't agree with them and that they can't read
@@random6033 fair, but it’s also the creationist responsibility to reed the articles and say how it’s supporting creationism
educated vs uneducated differential
maybe he had to start drinking to cope with the bs lol
Sees video.. 3+ hours.. hmm.. clears schedule.. grabs coffee.. "Press play"
Just over a hundred minutes in and I need another coffee.. might need an Irish coffee at this point.
At 2h 24m.. "and their father's father's father" and he stopped.. apparently he could go no father.
Soda and popcorn for me, please...
Tbh I thought I'd watch ten minutes, I can't stop listening to these clowns. I wish they would have a debate.
@@zeendaniels5809 Where I live it was about 8 AM when I started watching.. if you do go for the soda make it caffeinated.. you're going to need it. And maybe some "liquid courage" as well.
5 minutes in - "I'll make it simple for you".
Meaning "I'll omit everything that might not align perfectly with the message I want you to believe is the perfect truth".
And the bright smile that he has in his voice shows the joy he has because he knows he will get the audience into believing whatever he says.
Not only is your channel saving my grades, but it’s also entertaining. Love from South Africa ❤. I need more of these!
These two bros need to remember the term "willful ignorance".
It's basically when you actually don't want to know or learn something.
Especially if it conflicts with your worldview.
The cognitive dissonance is strong in them 😅
Watching you get drunk in real time is the best science experiment I've seen in a long time.
My favorite part is that they first claim evolutionary theory is false because it's unfalsifiable, but also claim that it's falsified by gradualism being untrue. It can't be both. Then their explanation is: God did it. The most unfalsifiable claim you can possibly have.
Or "scientists are making stuff up.."
Then using other scientific papers to "prove" it.
@Cheepchipsable careful, that sounds like circular reasoning! 😮😂
@@Cheepchipsable the amount of bs they create to prove human evolution is crazy, its like flat earthers all over
Dave, I just want to thank you for your service and the sacrifices you made to your mental health for the sake of bringing us this video.
My girlfriend and I bonded through your videos. Thanks man.
Unexpected wholesomeness in the comments. Thanks! 😁
Congrats, man!
did you guys get it on with professor Dave playing in the background?
@@silvaskiproductions3937 Obviously? Nothing to set the mood better than Professor Dave grilling the ever-loving hell out of pseudoscience.
This is my favorite episode of Drunk History ever.
1:03:00 😂😂
I had already sent an email to Forrest Valkai about this video so that he could debunk it. Finally it will no longer be necessary you did an excellent job professor Dave
Oh man, Forrest could probably go on about this video for 6+ hours
I only got 2 1/2 hours into this and I think I deserve a medal just for that. Dave deserves the Noble prize for getting all the way through.
I can’t go any further. This was painful.
The fact that Dave, clearly tipsy, can elucidate these creationist ramblings debunking each and every point with incredible accuracy is just a wonderful illustration of how ludicrous these said ramblings actually are.
Giraffe necks gradually getting longer over long periods of time? *Impossible!* An invisible man who spoke everything into existence? *Makes perfect sense.*
Pokemon are real in your world 🌍
God is not a man tho.
They sound like they were trying to conflate modern understanding of evolution with Lemarck.
@@adrianmcbride1666 oh it's not a lie because it's modern? We have been deceived one way or another either 1% is a lie or 99% is a lie either way its our money they steal in taxes and we have no idea what they actually are researching
@@Sheikh_White_he is man made though
As a Muslim, THANK YOU.
I was so embarrassed watching this guy completely fumble and giggle his way through his "arguments" and just generally confuse terms together and not understand anything he's talking about.
I'm so grateful that you had the courtesy to say something nice about our tradition, and I just wanna say that your videos are so informative and helpful for me as someone who is actually trying to learn.
As a Muslim, you must be in 2 minds.
What a Wholesome and heartwarming comment😊
@@cameronhesketh6814 why do you think that? I can confirm that I'm perfectly happy and confident in my choices and I don't think there are any discrepancies between my faith and my pursuit in academia. Muslims have contributed greatly in various academic fields and fostered scientific research and philosophy for centuries. Unfortunately, however, uneducated, uncultured individuals tend to make the loudest noise. But I know you wouldn't fall for that, would you?
@@emoritzi Thank you. Kind words like these are very sweet and encouraging. Trust me, we're humble and hardworking people. This little obnoxious goblin giggler doesn't represent any but himself. I appreciate all this content that is being put out by the awesome science community, and will do my best to pass it onwards.
@@orangecaprinun i dont know what that cameron guy is talking about, i think people should let people believe in whatever as long as they arent at other peoples throats for no reason BECAUSE of that
Alcohol 1 Islam 0
Speaking of the Giraffe neck it was absolutely not a perfect evolution, and a good example of random beneficial mutation. If I remember correctly there is a nerve in their neck that loops down their neck and back up to their skull making a massive detour, that is not a perfect adaptation. Thats an example of a random mutation of an existing system where the neck grew longer and the other biology just adapted to it and did not redesign itself into a perfect system.
The recurrent laryngeal nerve. Worked fine in our distant fishy ancestors but once we developed necks in the Devonian and Carboniferous not so much. Also the valves in the blood vessels in their necks are easily explained by similar valves in their (and our) legs. Evolution found a way to adapt like it always does.
@@enlacostaizquierda yes thank you for that I couldn't think of the name.
Correct.
It's the "Vagus" nerve.
Giraffes btw have the exact same number of neck vertebrae as all other mammals, with 2 exceptions.
There's always exceptions 😅
I just got to this point. This is too painful to go on. I have to stop. Fly free professor Dave, and kudos for being able to sit through this bunkum.
As a former member of this cult I appreciate you doing this Professor Dave
i realise these lads were tossers, but i dont think using their idiocy to suggest 'islam is bad' is fair. scientology is a cult, the moonies were a cult, i dont think the main religions are. i think they are all incomprehensibly odd, but not cults.
Glad you’re doing better
I have to ask… are you the Gman who argues (argued?) for creationism in RUclips??
@@alexanderingraham8255 na that's not me.
@@Irosicndosjnf thanks I appreciate it
Dave debunking liars already was gold, but drunk Dave debunking liars is diamond
Gold is rarer than diamonds
@@feniorBut not as beautiful
time will tell who"s liar
@@balkhss no, evidence will/has.
no they are ugly but make better tools and are closer to bedrock @@Solelegendary
"Open your mind" aka "ignore logic and evidence and trust me bro"
"the theory of gravity, fact or fiction"
"the theory of germs, fact or fiction"
This is the same as questioning the theory of evolution
Um akchually 🤓 gravity is considered a Law and not a theory(sorry had to correct you)
@@AbubakarRaji-c2z Theory of gravity as per Einstein..
The law is just talking about rules and not mechanism about how gravity works...
@@AbubakarRaji-c2z Gravity is a Theory and a Law
The theory talks about the mechanisms
The law simply states the rules and their conditions
@@DavisJ-ln6fw the guy above has already corrected me, thank you tho
Germs and gravity aren’t theories because you can see germs and gravity will force you to believe in it
Evolution on the other hand is a fairytale
The fact that they need to attack works from over a century ago is VERY telling of where they're operating from.
Typical apologist tactics.
I agree.
They're just recycling trash arguments and outdated bullshit from Christian Creationists that have been exhaustively debunked.
It's honestly more telling of you that you think an idea loses value just because time has passed.
@@SimpleReally No one implied that.
It's incredibly painful to witness such overconfident ignorance. He also arrogantly laughs all the time like an idiot. I couldn't bear to watch it to the end.
It's a religious things
You’re looking at it wrong. I seen them laugh at science, I laugh at them not having a single clue what they are even talking about. Their confidence is just the cherry on top 🤦♂️😄
the fact that they are praising allah every 10 seconds explains it all, I don't see Dave worshipping and praising science
Damn its hard as a Muslim to watch this crappy presentation. Dave your intellectual capacity is far more than them and I am not sure why the Muslim preachers try to equate both religion and science without any understanding of the subject. I applaud your patience Dave!
The baboon bone in Lucy's neck was quite literally already hypothesized in the original paper as it didn't seem to fit 100%.
To then turn around and state it as if it's this magic discovery that debunkes evilution!!!!! is hilarious
The people who examined Lucy was already like "Hmm 🤔 this bone looks odd and we're not sure it was from the same skeleton". Guess they're CLUELESS heh? The irony of creationists try to debunk scientists with science will never stop being funny. 😂
Gotta love a Dave debunk Friday to listen to on the drive home from work
Damn, how long is your commute? The video is 3 hours! ROFL
@@3nd1ess77 only an hour haha, I'm still listening to it!
did you make it home safely?
@@silvaskiproductions3937 Through the laughter yes
Thoroughly enjoying drunk Dave debunk. Maybe this should be your title for these, D3.
omg i cannot get over how cocky these people are while being so wrong.
perfect, time to put this on, take a nap and rewatch it
(repeat)
We really do all live the same life, don’t we?
finished my nap and I'm not even halfway through
had another nap and I'm still only 2 hours and 19 mins in
@@verdantvixen96 Sure we do. I don't know why but Dave debunks gives me a happy and calm sensation to go to sleep.
My affection for Dave grew 10x when he brought that Laphroaig bottle into frame
Laphraig is indeed not for the faint of heart. I was happy to see it too.
Exactly the kind of morally bankrupt stiff I would expect an EVILutionist to drink. See him trying to drink whisky without admitting in his heart that the true God's whisky is Jack Daniel's! Foolish infidel you deny the truth in your apostasy!
/SARCASM/
8:21 "Darwinist" holy shit, I know what's about to happen here
Because to them, science is like their religion so if someone were to disprove the existence of Mohamed the prophet, it would destroy Islam. Hence, if you disprove what Darwin said, you can ignore 160 years of science since then.
Hey Dave !!I .. just wanted to say that i’ve been watching your videos for a few years now and I’ve been subscribed since day one of seeing your flat earth Dave epic display of dismantling a shrew. Thank you for your well put together, intelligent and just straight up Good content. as long as you’re making videos, I’ll be watching them. Keep up the good work mate, cheers.!!
Damn Dave, you really sat through all of this bull and keep it more civil than I'd expect.
I've watched it in entirety and I appreciate the hard work you put into this...
Drunk Dave debunk? Hell yes
I wonder if they giggle as much at the claim that Mohamed rode a horse to the moon.
They say that shit with a straight face, and mean it. It's absurd.
Or that he Married a 6 year old girl...however, the Prophet was a gentleman and waited until she was 9 to consummate.
Of course not
That is supernatural and therefore, science
No he (SAW) Didn't.
Al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj has been thoroughly documented, with over 20 Companions narrating this event. The reports of al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj alone outweigh the reports of the rest of the Meccan era combined. However, the researcher is tasked with differentiating fact from fiction, as grandiose stories attract storytellers, and al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj is the most magnificent story of all. As with any event, reports on the topic are assessed to distinguish the most authentic narrations. The researcher must also compare interpretations; some believe that al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj was a dream, or that the Prophet travelled in spirit, but that is not the case. As a bona fide miracle from Allah, the Prophet physically journeyed-in a state of wakefulness-from Mecca to Jerusalem, and then to the Heavens and back, within a single night.
There is a difference of opinion as to when al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj took place. However, there are some indications. ʿĀ’ishah narrated, “Khadījah died before the prayer became obligatory.”302 This is definitive proof that al-Isrā’ wa al-Miʿrāj took place within the last 18 months of the Meccan era because the prayer was made obligatory in al-Miʿrāj. The day, or even month, of the event is unknown, and any specified date is not authentically narrated. It is yet another indication that the Companions did not place great emphasis on the dates and anniversaries of major events; they focused on the substance of the events rather than commemorating its existence.
The Prophet was sleeping at home when Jibrīl arrived and took him to the Ḥaṭīmi to pray two units (rakʿāt) of prayer. The Prophet narrated. “Jibrīl opened up my chest and brought a bowl made of gold filled with Zamzam.ii He took out my heart, washed it, and put it back.”305 This is the second time that Jibrīl washed the Prophet’s heart, however on this occasion he did not need to remove a black spot. Nevertheless, his heart needed to be washed with Zamzam to prepare it for the overwhelmingly awe-inspiring sights to come. As Allah stated, “He certainly saw some of his Lord’s greatest signs.”306 It was through Allah’s divine intervention and special facilitation that the Prophet was able to traverse into the Heavens without being subjected to any of the physical laws of this world.307
The Prophet continued, “Jibrīl then brought me a beast, smaller than a mule but bigger than a donkey, pure white, called al-Burāq. Each of its strides is as far as the eye can see.” The word “burāq” stems from the root word “barq” which means “lightning”, denoting its lightning speed. However, al-Burāq is a physical animal, created of flesh and blood, not a spiritual creature. There are no authentically narrated reports about a winged horse. Al-Burāq had a harness and saddle, and Jibrīl held the harness as the Prophet mounted. Al-Burāq neighed, and Jibrīl tugged the harness, saying, “Woe to you! Are you not shy? By Allah, no-one has ridden you that is more blessed in the eyes of Allah than your current rider!”308 The Prophet continued, “I rode al-Burāq and he took me to al-Aqsa Mosque. I tied al-Burāq to the animal posts used by the Prophets, and I entered and prayed two units of prayer.”
Source: From "The Sirah of the Prophet (pbuh): An Original and Contemporary Analysis" By Yasir Qadhi, 2023
@@ColinJarrett honestly this one of the more dubious claims of the hadith because of how much modern islamic scholars rely on them without using historical context as a muslim i moved away from alot of that narrative
Listening to this Muslim is like listening to a 5-year-old trying to tell you about his favorite pokemon. He's so excited that he's stumbling over all his words, And he can't stop giggling.
I think it’s like listening to a 5 year old trying to explain Pokémon, but everything they are saying actually describes Transformers 🙄
A lot of people probably enjoy the debunk vids for drama's sake, but I really like the actual stuff you learn along with it as he debunks it all. Best of both worlds.
I want more Drunk Debunks. 3 hours... absolutely great. Even a little tipsy, being able to pick apart con men that attempt and succeed at tricking people just shows how important, and useful, an actual good education can benefit you.
Drunk Debunk is an epic title 😅
I’m not even a Christian and I almost feel offended on behalf of them because of how smug this Muslim guys are towards them.
Let them sort it out, the more the Abrahamic religions fight with each other, the better
@@fnaffan6999 I'm yet to understand why there are so many Anti-Religious people here not just people who don't believe in religion but people who actively make fun of it and the people who practice it, these creationists are literally the loud minority ruining the image of everyone else and you consider two religions fighting to be a good thing? Kind of a fucked up way to think if you ask me. As it would be idiotic to think Faith is Science in the first place, I grew up Christian and I don't debate the truth of science, nor do I disavow my Religious faith. But It's odd to me that people don't know how to live and let live, or just simply be respectful.
@@fnaffan6999lol yep 😂
@@fnaffan6999those fights end Up with thousands of deads around the world,think a little bit before talk xd
As a Christian this is hilarious.@fnaffan6999
The fact that they seriously believe that the scientific explanation for Giraffes’ long necks is that one day they just started stretching them is absolutely hilarious. It shows a flagrant lack in understanding of basic biology and common sense.
Ive talked with suboor a couple of times. He just lies about the philosophical literature and doesnt understand shit about science. Hes a billboard for sophistry.
the muslim equivalent of jordan peterson.
@@eh9618 yeah maybe, except they are separated by about 50 IQ points (not to defend Peterson here) 😅
@@anniestumpy9918 nah Peterson isn't nearly that smart
fun fact: one of the first words in the muslim book is "read". ı dont think theese guys did that very well
LMAO!
to be specific, it’s the first word revealed, not the first word in the book (with how it’s sorted)
Iqra, doesn't only meàn "reàd". It also meàn "ànàlyze".
Whìch they cleàrly didn't do.
@@GiganticMythicalSpaceFishWhale that makes sense but in the context of the verse’s revelation i’m pretty sure it’s supposed to be read
@@ttheno1 No, the còrrèct meàning of thè wòrd is "to ànàlyzè" not "to reàd".
Còz Rasulullah càn't reàd, and Jìbril (as) neèd to rèpèàt 3 tìmes ùntil Rasulullah get it that it's not "reàd", but "ànàlyzè".
"Ànàlyze the èvents hàppènèd on your sùrroùndìng, that èvèrything was còming from à sìnglè soùrce and by à sìnglè caùsès, whìch is Thè Òrìgìnàl Creàtor."
That's the meàning of the 1st àyàt.
Sùràh Al-'Alàq àyàt 1-5 was Allah tèllìng Rasulullah, and also ùs, about the còrrèct mèthòd to ùndèrstànd islam.
I càll it thè Iqrà mèthòd.
Whìch was ùsèd by Rasulullah and all thè sàhàbà (ra) to ùndèrstànd The Qùr'an, Sùnnàh, and Hàdìth.
Àyàt 6-19 was for thòse who doesn't ùsè thè Iqrà mèthod mèntiònèd in àyàt 1-5 to ùndèrstànd islam, and spreàd the wròng islam tò the ùmàh.
While they thèmsèlf know that they àrè just creàting cònfùsiòn on the ùmàh.
Èxàmplè, thè tèxtuàl mèthòd whìch màkès them doing tàkfìr to màny.
Likè the ùlàma on mèccà todày, or thè khàwàrìj at thè tìme of thè sàhàba.
Using Lamarck's ideas on giraffes as a gotcha for biologists is just as asinine as pretending there's nothing in psychology post-Freud.
The giraffe neck example makes me think he has a distant memory of a simple diagram/ explanation of Lexmark's theory...maybe?
At a stretch (pauses for laugh) i suppose Lemark could be said to have preempted epigenetics??
Overall it's a willfully ignorant example.
Since that came right after he spoke about Cambrian Explosion, I wonder if he also confused and thinking that giraffe's were hanging around in that period.
24:45 I believe he is referring to Lamarckian evolution, which was the idea that organisms would pass on physical changes that occurred during their lifetime; the common example being a giraffe stretching its neck to reach higher leaves, and somehow this constant physical stretching results in the offspring having longer necks.
Wasn’t that a belief that Nazis used to justify their bigotry?
He thinks it happened in a single giraffe. Thats what he said atleast. One giraffe stretches its neck and grows 6 inches
@@noodle_tax Well, technically he didn't say HE thinks that; he was actually mocking the idea. But he was trying to act like Lamarckian evolution was some sort of mainstream idea that represents the field of evolutionary biology, even though we've known it isn't true for over a hundred years.
Yep!
That's what I was yelling at the screen. "That's not even Darwin, that's Lamarck!"
25:22 the Kent Hovind impression was spot on
I respect the effort trying to debunk detailed scientific arguments when their alternative hypothesis is 'Big Daddy magicked animals into reality'.
And their "god on earth" married a child. A great role model that one. They also consider him to be utterly unquestionable.
@@John.0z try studying Islam, you'll probably shit your pants while reading their sacred literature.
@@alexeypolevoybass Thank for the suggestion, but no, I am good without torturing myself that way.
I am lucky that I worked out that religion was BS at a very early age, and I had an environment where that was OK.
In many countries that realisation would be fatal.
1:39:39 “Why are animals similar to bats? WHAT?”
I’m on life support. 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
Biologists: "Here is all the evidence for evolution: The fossil record including tons of transitional species, phylogeny & anatomy, genetics(DNA), embryology(EVO-DEVO), molecular biology, chemistry, and much much more. Not to mention, DIRECT OBSERVATION!"
Creationists: wave their hands and say, "That doesn't prove a thing!"
But don't you know, they have a book, and it proves EVERYTHING! ;-)
@@page8301when people quote scripture to me, I quote the lord of the rings to them.
@kajsorensen1207 "everyone should praise the true prophet, GANDALF!!"
@@YEY0806 Tom Bonbadil is true god
@@kajsorensen1207 As one should. It's the superior fiction.
These more casual debunks are more interesting for me, personally. They are long, but I like to listen to them like a podcast while at work.
this was extremely painful to listen too. thank you Dave for your constant scientific take and 100% believe we need more of you to fight back on the science denial
The reason why creationists look to Darwin and treat him like he represents current day thought is because they cling to ancient and outdated books themselves.
These types of videos are indeed very fun to watch, and I’ve learned quite a bit from these videos. I get to learn not only what is actually true, but also how to debunk what is false, with what information to debunk it with, and why that information debunks it. Thank you for the 3-hour lesson, Professor.
They do get tiresome though because you simply hear the same arguments form the gleefully ignorant.
@@Cheepchipsable That, and I have noticed they turn me into quite the pessimist for the rest of the day if I watch enough of them. It’s really easy to ruin your mood hearing stupid people regurgitate the same BS all the time. It’s honestly exhausting.
They think giraffes are Pokémon lol😂
Yeah! And you don’t?😂 creationist are off their rocker
@@fnaffan6999 No they are nothing like Pokemon
@@DavisJ-ln6fw yeah I’m aware of that
imagine. OH MY GOSH! that girafarig species turned into a farigiraf over the span of millions of years! ThAt'S cRaZy!!!
@@shreyvarad They have so hard time to understand million years that they expect to see it happen front of their own eyes.
Prof. Dave, after 5 shots of scotch. Says: “Homo Neanderthalensis” with perfect diction.😊
"Show me a transitional species alive today..." I'm no biologist but I'm thinking EVERY species alive today will either eventually evolve into another species, and hence is a transitional species, and/or it will eventually go extinct. Such a fundamental misunderstanding to even formulate this question. It's like, "I don't believe in rain, only water droplets. Show me "rain" at this precise instant in time... you can't, can you..."
dude why is muslim apologetics so much lower quality compared to christian apologetics. these muslims are like a coupled decades behind in terms of arguments. has anyone noticed?
More like 800 years behind.
The bar is so low with christian apologists already that muslim apologists need to get out the shovels and dig to get under it
It's a thing.💔I'm verrrry lucky to be in 🇨🇦 & thus in the 17th most Atheist Nation on earth. So Muslims move here *mostly* when they're already prog. 🇨🇦Islamic apologists (tho' I've never met one IRL) are comparable to 🇺🇲Xians. But there aren't many Islamic apologists here either.
SADLY? The awful people who crawl from 🇨🇦's "icy tundra" (Jordan Peterson, Gavin McG,... uhhh - Shania Twain {she ❤s 45 & ignorance, etc...}) move to 🇺🇲. Cos most 🇨🇦s tend to truly feel icked out by 'em.
🇨🇦Muslims-at least here in Toronto-formed a human shield to Block a small-but not insignificant group-of a rare gaggle of 🇨🇦evangelis who'd arrived to destroy Pride, 2019.
I also think MAYBE Muslim Apologists aren't showing 'game' cos Xianity's the Majority Religion on EARTH & Hence? Science & Atheism tends to hit back harder against N⁰2-of-3 Abe Faiths - like, mb this causes Xians to try even harder? Dunno.
But yeah - I've noticed it too.
Woah. This is like an undiscovered language
I suspect it’s simply a setting issue. Assuming that you’re in a primarily english-speaking country like mine, we have a long history of christianity involved in higher education and so there’s been dedicated focus to come up with sophisticated apologetics and disseminate them. In other words, even rando christian apologists are familiar with the kalam , the teleological argument, etc. However, muslim apologists don’t have that foundation so they literally just say w/e BS pops into their heads.
In muslim-majority countries I imagine that they have apologetics closer in quality to the christian ones we’re familiar with and that christian apologetics are the ones that suck there. At least I hope so, for my own peace of mind.
Stayed through the whole video. Got to say, I enjoy Dave being a little tipsy then quickly down shifting to focus and tear into these two. Bravo.
Muslim Lantern is one of the most despicable apologists in the Muslim community. Smirking and laughing while lying to his audience.
He is incredibly disingenuous and mocking, but it’s all in support of a supernatural worldview that he cannot justify. He seems to prefer citing debunked sources like Maurice Bucaille or Keith Moore and go on the attack. He never engages in actual debates with strict rules, rebuttals and Q&A, preferring to be in control of the forum and even throw ad hominem at his interlocutors.
@@dorarie3167 sounds like darth dawkins 🤮
Yep, his audience should feel betrayed by him. He's filling any curiosity they might have had with his own ignorance.
Is he lying, though? My impression is that he actually believes what he is saying and thinks he is really smart.
@@niemand6031 it’s hard to tell. It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance for one to study islam as diligently as he has, yet dismiss all of evolution with hardly any research. This guy probably has read thousands of Hadiths and spoken to many scholars about them, so to dismiss evolution without any detailed explanation why is just reckless.
The problem this people have is that they think animals evolve like pokemon, that would be metamorphosis... And a pretty extreme one.
They can't grasp the time needed for evolution to work, they hear sudden or explotion and think it happened instantly, like a velociraptor lay an egg and a chicken came out of it.
Yes, because they are stupid.