Serbian Orthodox Church and the Warlords of the '90s
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- During the wars of the 90s, different clerics of the Serbian Orthodox Church had some nice things to say about the warlords of the time. How to approach this from Christian perspective?
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There is an Irish saying: If 2 neighbours are fighting today it is because one of them was visited by an Englishman yesterday. The militias on all sides of this conflict were infiltrated by foreign actors who encouraged violence and inflamed the passions. The ultimate condemnation is on those from outside the Balkans who desired the break-up of Yugoslavia and did a deal with the devil to make it happen.
And the only reason England got involved in Ireland in the first place was because there was already civil strife between Irish factions. Similarly, there was already great divisions within the artificial Yugo state that foreign actors may have exploited but certainly didn't create.
@@clivejungle6999 I don't know where you are from Mr Clive, but your reading of Irish history does not hold with reality. ALL the tension was created by the British in the fir4st place and I invite you to find evidence to the contrary. It is a trick of Empire to convince everyone they are only there to keep the peace when in fact they caused the trouble in the first place: Ireland, India, Yemen, Palestine ........ the list goes on .....
As a bosniak who's gonna become Orthodox, thank you for this video ⚜️♥️🇷🇸☦️
As a German I have no idea about the Balkans.
Can I ask a question? Arenʼt you basically a Serb the moment you get baptized into the Orthodox Church? Or a Croatian if you decided to be baptized in the Catholic Church?
@@deutschermichel5807 Well, not exactly. You can identify as one I guess, but it's not out of the blue.
Congratulations!
@@jlhistory Thank you
Neka je sa srećom✝️
I hope many Americans listen to this. Due to our addiction to labels
I think Solzhenitsyn said it best when pointed out that the line between good and evil runs through every human heart.
Too bad he couldn't see that line within himself.
Why are we taking Solzhenitsyn seriously?
Prejako brate bas mi se cinis sasvim duhovno ispravn i razuman covjek i ljudsko biće, pored toga i toliko odan Bogu kao musliman brate želim ti svu srecu i božiju blagodati na tvom putu, nema mnogo ljudi kao ti posebno u ovome vremenu.
Drago mi je da tako fina osoba pravi ovaka videa, amin mnogo zdravlja tebi i tvojim najbližim.
Great Video Bojan. God Bless ☦️🇷🇸
It is because in our Orthodox teaching we know that pointing out someone’s flaws won’t make conversion in their heart. We praise our fallen brothers and blow wind at their back for what they do good even when that hurts us. We pray for them and let God do it’s work. Our work is to suffer pray and wait. That’s the essence. And God indeed does miracles. No man can arrange as God arranges. Praise the Lord.❤
Hey Bojan, could you make a video discussing Patriarch Meletius IV and his actions like the new calendar? I honestly don’t know what to think of him, I’ve hear he was a mason and stuff like that. Could you also explain the history of the Serbian church and the raising to patriarchate in the 20s under the leadership of patriarch Dimitrije? I’m a huge fan!
Your office looks like a sauna and it's comfy
Nuanced response. Well done
Hello Bojan, excellent stance! We have somewhat of a similar dilemma in Bulgaria.
In the Second World War, we were on the Axis. Now, our Tsar Boris III was not keen on joining neither the Nazis, nor WW2 in general. Essentially, he stalled joining the war up until the last moment where the Nazis essentially threatened Bulgaria. Bulgaria had been promised in three separate occasions that all Bulgarian people would be united under one country, but this deal had been broken three times and resulted in loss of two wars already for Bulgaria. Boris was unwilling to join yet another war, but when forced, he manage to negotiate with Hitler the best possible deal which would have potentially united all Bulgarians (the truth is Hitler is Hitler, and this was likely a false promise). Although stripped of from occupied territories after the Axis defeat, Turkey ceded some territory to Bulgaria.
Now, I'm going to speak about Boris in a moment. My point is that, Bulgaria, although had essentially been forced to war, never truly suffered under Hitler. In fact, although the promise is, let's be real, likely false hope, under Hitler, Bulgaria was promised what it had been fighting for over half a century, and nearly succeeded in uniting all Bulgarians. In the end, there wasn't a massive loss for Bulgaria from what we had before the war. In addition, although I'm sure any racist Bulgarians may be unhappy, Bulgaria refused to implement Hitler's anti-Jewish laws (I'll speak about this in a moment too) and was never actually politically fascist, meaning that mainland Bulgaria did very little anything morally incorrect, besides being accused for joining the "evil side". Because of this, many Bulgarians don't hold as such of a negative view of fascism and the Axis, because one can argue Bulgaria prospered during WW2 with very few moral trespasses. Although oviously, NO sane Bulgarian will think Hitler is a good person, Hitler isn't as taboo in Bulgaria as he is in the west, because it can be argued Bulgaria benefited from him. Although I don't believe a thing such as "Orthodox Nazis" exist, because the two terms are contradictory, one can't be both; if such do exist, Bulgaria is a likely breeding ground for that ideology exactly because of this, Bulgaria prospered under Hitler, the Jews weren't killed, Bulgaria was promised what nobody else agreed to give to Bulgaria. Dare I say, one may find such an ideology tempting.
Now, Tsar Boris III is an interesting figure of himself. Because, he is controversial in North Macedonia and perhaps Serbia as well, but he isn't far off from being a national hero in Bulgaria. My opinion is that Boris is definitely saved. First off, there's the obvious: Boris drove Bulgaria from another national catastrophe, and tried to keep Bulgaria neutral for as long as possible, until he was essentially threatened by Hitler, "join, or see your country and people destroyed"; when Boris did finally join, he managed to negotiate with Hitler a deal long promised to Bulgaria, but broken multiple times for over half a century: that all Bulgarians would be united. By joining the Axis, not only was destruction of Bulgaria and deaths of many Bulgarians spared, but also did Boris manage to spare the lives of many Jews, including Bulgarian Jews, and Jews that emigrated in. Although Bulgaria prides itself with Boris having refused to implement Hitler's anti-Jewish laws and had "saved the Jews", straight up lying to Hitler that Boris "needed them for heavy labour" to save them from concentration camps - this only applies to mainland Bulgaria. In the occupied territories, many including Jews and others, were sent to concentration camps and killed. This remains a controversial topic in North Macedonia. The reality is that, it is sheer luck that Boris managed to save all the Jews in mainland Bulgaria. It wasn't without price either, Boris died under "mysterious circumstances" shortly after a meeting with Hitler during when he discovered Bulgaria was avoiding the anti-Jewish laws. It was virtually impossible that the Jews in the territories of modern North Macedonia would have been saved, considering that they were only de juro owned by Boris, but in reality heavily regulated by the Nazis (N.Macedonia is located conveniently near the centre of the Balkans and is a convenient military corridor, which the Nazis were very keen on only promising it to Bulgaria and not keeping that promise). If Bulgaria had even attempted to counter the Nazis in the occupied territories, not only would the Jews in Macedonia be gone, but the many Jews and innocents that were savable in mainland Bulgaria too. In my humble opinion, Boris is a national hero. Besides all he was a devout Orthodox Christian, and the Patriarch and the Orthodox clergy, which aimed to keep themselves separate from politics, were supportive of Boris, and highly advocated for all attempts to be made to save the Jews. Even the Pope, knowing full well Bulgaria was on the Axis, messaged Boris to keep all efforts to save the Jews. Boris did what he can, and I truly believe he is saved. Only God may decide.
Be blessed for this video Bojan! ☦✝️🇧🇬❤
Слава Исусу Хирсту, Богдан! Greetings from an American in the ROCOR. I am a very soon to be reader myself (in three days, Glory to God!) and I truly appreciate your efforts on this channel. Thank you!
But anyway, I digress. As someone who illustrates and does art, I have a question that I think is perfect for you. From your understanding, what is your personal opinion on the popular Japanese animation and art style, known widely as anime? Thank you, God Bless!
Oh! This should be very interesting!
arkan was like a eceleb lrl live streamer during the war. how tf were there so many camaras on him 🤣
Hello Bojan, I rarely comment on RUclips but recently this exact topic has been bothering me quite a bit and when I saw that you uploaded a video exactly on this topic I was excited to hear your perspective. However, I disagree with you quite a bit. I am a Croat, and have found the Truth in Orthodoxy, my life has completely changed since. However, I would like to provide you with a perspective of a Croatian convert if you don't mind. The Serbian Orthodox Church has endorsed and supported some of the most grusome war criminals of this area in the 90s. And one of the most repulsive things is that even Patriarch Porfirije has been filmed singing Chetnik songs, and had given an interview in front of a picture of Draža Mihajlović. How can anyone defend that? To a Croat, this is obviously a clear sign of animosity and hate. I am repulsed by what my nation has done in the past. And even though I am a Croat, I wouldn't support a Croat war criminal just because he is a Croat. The argument that supporting evil people in times of war is somehow allright because it is war time doesn't hold water. Evil is always evil, and should be condemned as such. The Church supporting its nation no matter what, above God's law, is etnofiletism which is a condemned heresy. How can the Serbian Orthodox Church allow itself to act this way? Who knows how many other Croats have seen the Truth of Orthodoxy but were pushed away due to these things. It just makes me sad. I am not attacking you, or the Serbian people, whom I consider to be brothers and sisters in Christ. However, this is a huge issue, not because someone gets offended, but because only God knows how many people have been kept away from the Truth.
(Edit: I have found out that Patriarch Porfirije had publicly apologized for singing that Chetnik song; which is certainly a good thing, so God bless him!)
May God bless you,
Hristos Voskrese☦
Hello 🙋♂️ I’m from 🇨🇾/🇱🇹 ☦️so i have no sayings at all in the croatian serbian bosnian what ever conflict, just wanted to say God is above all of course and nations mean nothing, God means everything, people outisde and inside the Holy Orthodox Church try to ruin the Faith by bringing in their flase teachings,ideologies,politics, etc…, Mostly “Orthodox” heads and leaders who have unfortunately try to corrupt the Church, God will give an Answer to them, said by our Holy Orthodox Saints and their prophecies.. May God bless you and your journey to Christ😊❤️☦️
I completely agree with you. As a Kosovo-Albanian with newly found faith in Christ and the Holy Orthodox Church I face the same dilemma, but even deeper somehow, since albanian orthodox churches in Kosovo were at some point in history "taken over" by serbian people and since then they insist on erasing our history and claiming they were always serbian. It is sad and not in Christ's image.
Also, last year serbian military forces were trying armed conflict in north of Kosovo, and when they fled, they went to an orthodox monastery right across the border in Serbia 😅😅 How come the monks and priests there still to this day support this?! It puts a shameful look on Orthodoxy...
I hope to some day understand what is going on with our serbian orthodox brothers and sisters 😅😅 This is not what Jesus' taught us...
@@lulu-love-777 Yeah, I can imagine it is much worse for you right now due to the circumstances. But keep being strong in your faith, God sees everything and is with you always. I keep seeing this ultrantionalistic, ethnofiletistic stuff coming from the Serbian Church and it just makes me sad. We need to pray for them brother. Do you have an Albanian Orthodox Church down there?
God bless you!
Ustaša izgleda ostade do kraja pa čak i kad pređe na Pravoslavlje, prvo Draža je srpski Heroj nije nikad činia nikakve zločine za razliku od tvojih sunarodnika koji pobiše preko milion Srba jer su Srbi i Pravoslavci u Drugom Svjetskom, istjerašte sve srpsko iz Srpske Krajine krajem 90tih u famoznim olujama, dobar čas istorije bi bio da positiš kanal na youtube "Pogledi Kragujevac" a ako ti ni to ne pomogne onda nemoj bit pravoslavac već se nastavi klanjat Papinom Magisteriumu... o čemu pričat, izmišljate zločine i pripisujete ih Draži ni krivom ni dužnom ali vi ste bili miroljubci i uopšte niste počasno sahranjivali ljude poput artukovića u vašoj lijepoj ustaškoj tvorevini od države, da si Pravoslavac uistinu, zavolio bi Monarhiju koja je postojala prije vaše ndh i komunističke juge ali naprovit, ustaša do kraja
@@lulu-love-777 albanians were present in kosovo at 16th century onwards before that it wasn't the case, stop with bullshit and get some help, Serbia can't recover Kosovo because NATO would reset 99s, i assure you that Serbs aren't fleeing from Ksovo becuase some Kosovo šiptars are so scare and strong but because NATO is constantlyagainst Serbian side and Serbs don't have institutions down there so when mass rape happens or killing of Serbs noone can protect them, remind yourself if NATO didn't do 99 there wouldn't be any jihadi albanian at Kosovo
Looks like you've lost some weight!
Thanks! I've just been trying to walk a lot more (about 2 hours / day) :)
What kind of foods do you eat to lose weight?
@@BanterWithBojanKosovo Is Serbia
3:20 Saved is too strong of a word if you ask me, the saviours would definitely be partisans.
But I get your point, and I agree... To a point
Related to your video, what do you think about Serbian turbofolk songs from this time? I personally enjoy the songs for their melody but sometimes I have to watch out for songs with sinful lyrics (e.g. Ćuti ćuti ujko or Ne volim te Alija). It's unfortunate that Serbian nationalism would often take priority over Orthodox piety at that time.
Many of those songs have a lot of truth in them. Especially, O alija aljo. Exposes how the bosniaks were betrayed by Alija izetbegovic.
@@OrthoChi20 Who fucking cares
@@OrthoChi20 Yeah, I personally don't like him as a Bosniak. I lean closer to Abdić, but regardless terrible stuff would happen anyways.
@@TotallyNormalDude333 another thing to consider is there is no such thing as Bosniak ethnicity. Those were just Serbs in Bosnia that got converted to Islam during Ottoman Empire but didn’t want to be called Serbs. Many of them know their ancestors were Serbs. But alija sold his own bosniaks for money. Should of signed the peace treaty and respected the Serbs that have always been in Bosnia. That’s why today they don’t have that much territory. It is what it is. Let us look to Christ and live out our faith is the only hope for all ☦️
@@OrthoChi20 I mostly agree, which is why I usually use bošnjan (like the medieval identity for every inhabitant) or bosnian. But since those two aren't ethnonyms, and calling myself a serb would be a bit confusing, I refer to my ethnicity as bosniak. But of course, I feel closer to serbs, and I consider them brothers.
My question to those asking questions related to the Serbian nation, is which country do you come from and who are you to judge us?
With regards to the Serbian Volunteer Guard (so called "Arkan's Tigers") there's an interview from several years ago featuring one of the main officers of this fighting unit, Borislav Pelević, who was a straight shooter, university educated and an exceptionally self disciplined individual. He says it's a total myth and a gutter mass media smear that the Guard was a band of criminals. In fact, the unit was exemplary for its organisational structure and capability in low intensity warfare, during the nineties. Furthermore, Pelević revealed Arkan was actually a teetotaller, so whoever is imagining a Serbian Tony Montana in their mind is going to be sorely disappointed!
Stari moj ako ovo znaš čitati , znaj si dobar u duši pravi sljedbenik Božje riječi , ali politika na balkanu je nebitna , balkan ima nula utjecaja na svijet , bilo to politički,ekonomski...
Hvale ti arkane😊
Yt keeps kicking my sub to you off. Don't worry I check occasionally.
Бог је Србин
Bog je Ustaša
@@PeroZderoPeroZdero ahahah
Ne lupaj
I dont know what it is but Bojan pronouncing war with his accent sounds like he's saying vore.
Ew wut is wrong whit you
imagine trying to say a letter that does not exist, and then pronounce it.
then you will understand
Are you saying this in a bad way? I personally appreciate it.
Fun fact: English is near-unique in pronouncing "w" that way. Most European languages say it as a "v" (eg: German, Polish), so Bojan's pronunciation is the logical one.
I am orthodox and I am communist
Yeah, you can be orthodox and be wrong.
I think communism is a sin
Please keep your political views outside the Church.
Please base your political views on the Orthodox Christian morality.
If you value your political views even remotely close to your value of your faith, you ought to repent.
Do not plague pure channels with your nonsense; this is not Reddit.
That’s impossible. God made difference between rich and poor for a reason. Erasing that would disrupt Gods intention with men. And as we saw throughout history since there’s no blessing on it it collapses.
@@user-un1ld9nh4l Funny seeing all these offended western converts who embrace nationalism, when this was the accepted stance of the russian orthodox church less than a century ago:
"I bow on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church to Stalin's dear body."
~Patriarch Alexy
"Stalin preserved the church of Christ; I bow low to Stalin"
~St. Luke the Surgeon
I think that it is hypocritical of you to condemn the Catholic Church for the evil of the ustase (that Cardinal Stepanic condemned) while the Serbians did many bad things.
Which priests did the bad things?
Did the Orthodox Church help them escape?
How many Orthodox priests slaughtered Croatian children?
Did the Serbs have a concentration camp for Croat children?
Appears to me like you don't know what you're talking about my american friend
Buahahahaha
Why don’t you look up what happened in Jasenovac and all the genocide committed against Serbs by the Ustaša and blessed by the RCC?
@@OrthoChi20 the Catholic Church did not bless the ustasa.