One small thing to note about the Khaba torps is that they have the shortest reaction time of pretty much any torpedo in the game at just under 5 seconds. So if you somehow get an accurate torp salvo off they're pretty hard to avoid.
Whenever I see Khaba, I get reminded of an extremely old video I saw when I was starting this game. It was a CC complaining that there's no reason to play any cruiser, especially French ones, when Khaba exists. How the turntables... I think giving Khaba Tashkent range would make the ship much more comfortable. She was powercrept and needed some adjustments (and perhaps a replacement) for sure, but Delny doesn't fix anything. It's like WG completely forgot why they wanted to replace Khaba in the first place. Anyway I can finally use Kuznetsov on Khaba without retraining so big fan!
@@mephiztophelezemephiztophe31 I second the rudder. If WG doesn't want to buff the range because of the leg mod that is understandable. But the rudder shift time really needs an improvement.
Even more than power crept WeeGee nerfed him into the ground. They made it so it couldn’t take slot 6 range mod, they reduced the torpedo range from 10km to 6km but made them stealthy and finally they ganked its rudder shift HARD so you would have to choose between rudder shift or stealth. Tbh when I got my khaba 3 or 4 years ago I just kept the Tashkent because I felt it was the better ship overall. Much larger range and 2km longer torps are a huge deal for how dangerous you are shooting torps around islands since I try and play the objective some till I’m forced off, at-least as a courtesy since I am using a DD slot. I reset the line a year ago, so I’m pretty excited to A. Actually get my khaba back with a free premium camo and B. To finish the dang t6 and start getting a delny, since they finally made a tier 10 trashkent. Edit: Also just gotta add, I don’t have the legendary khaba mod. So that stains my perception a lot. While losing the rudder shift definitely is going to hurt the range and reload are definitely going to make up for it. The problem with 13.5km max range to me is that you’re just in the “point blank” range of too many guns still. No chance to react even if you had a 1 second rudder shift and they don’t really need to lead much either.
Thanks for showing regular games man, this gives me a sense of how I will perform in this. Playing a ship after watching a 1% incredible game from a super unicum is usually such a deception. Already had the Tashkent, glad I spent the FXP to unluck the Khaba, not going to buy it, waiting to get it. Big fan btw! P.S. I watched a Flamu game where you landed torps with a Shima. Say 'big fan' if you have been kidnapped and someone is using your account. I'll call the police.
Quite sad to see the Khabarovsk be gone being widely aviable to now go for coal, it was not the most meta ship, but i think the replacement is not as well as moskva/nevsky, where you can see an actual change in playstyle/feeling. But i loved to see a video on the OG "Kite and be Annoying" DD. Keep it up.
Recorded and ready, uploading tomorrow on the 17th, I'm really happy on how it turned out, it's part of the How I Play series, like Kleber, really excited for you guys to see it!
@@MalteseKnight Your gold mate. Looking forward to it. I'd been thinking of RB for another UU (I got the Kharba unique upgrade) and am looking hard at the Grozo upgrade. Cheers man o7
I find your advocation for the legendary mod interesting. I haven't played my Khaba much yet, but so far I'm averaging 108K in it. I don't have the legendary and play with the rudder mod. The loss of rudder shift will hurt, but it won't be the end of the world with the extra range and more dakka is welcome
It is also a matter of personal preference. With better rudder shift you can play the Khaba more traditionally, using the speed and rudder to turn and weave. Whereas with the legendary mod you will need to play around with the throttle more to dodge. It is good the Khaba by itself already has great acceleration and deceleration due to the high power to weight ratio.
@@facenoise465 that's a good point. Yea, I use a combination of throttle and rudder to dodge. I've seen some people play these fast DDs hardly moving until they're shot at and they accelerate or reverse. They use the throttle almost exclusively. I would have to work on that kind of throttle juking then if I decide to try the legendary mod
Tried Khaba with acceleration/UU but quickly went back to double rudder - the added range and reload for a worse heal/engine boost and no rudder didn't mesh with me. I am glad its now a premium though - Means I can play it more without using camos up :D Have no intention of getting the Delny to play (Maybe get for a snowflake a year) Khaba will always be my open-water favourite
Looking forward for Grozovoi review. Sometimes is better to show average game, because most people don't get everytime great game with record high result and average games are very often.
Throwing RB points on top of the expensive coal price would kinda suck if you didn't have Khab already. Miss the old days of playing a ship further after you earned it for the Leg mod. Made you play the boat more and master it, and have something to earn after the tech tree grind journey. Depending on if one likes gun boats, hard to recommend this one once it goes for coal/ + RB Leg mod for those reasons unless you REALLY like that play style and have the resources. Curious to see how many people drop resources on it in the future. Wonder if we see more, less, or the same amount of Khaba's down the road as a result. Yet I still enjoy mine from time to time, I know Malta does!
Everything I've read about the ship is that is basically a liability without that legendary upgrade so I think this ship will just become a port queen/co-op runner/snowflake earner for me. Too many other good ships to be playing to waste much time on this, but I am glad I spent free XP to get her (from the Kiev) and just reset the line for RB points when I decide to go up it again.
Solid review, although I prefer to play the Khabster with AFT only, cowboy style with double rudder. The 13.5km range doesn't bother me that much, although it could be better just by km. Khaba is an awesome ship in skilled hands and a piece of junk when played by potatoes.
As you say in the video, the sad aspect of Khaba is that it's the only ship where you basically *have to* spend 20k RB points for the UU to make it playable. Ship really really need a little bit of love from the balance department.
Khabarovsk is quite a fun dd the ability to bounce all battleship ap in the game makes for some quite funny moments. Nothing quite like bouncing Shiki shells lol
Very cool ship but ought to get some buffs. And nerfing of French DD that mega powercreep a lot of DD gunboats. Excited to play Khaba again now that I get to put Kuznetzov on it without paying to retrain!
I also picked up the Khaba today. Im not that great at gunboating DDs yet, at least not the openwater - no smoke ones, but I feel like Id missing out if I did not. Also it will be pretty fun to use the Russian bullshit commander on her lol. Nice review Malta
Well if people say Khana is a bad DD, they mean Khaba is bad at DD things, mainly cap contesting. If the enemy know how to levarage cap control, its a automatic loose in games with only 1-2 DDs. This gets less important with 4 DD games, and also in random many players dont know how to play when they have spotting and cap advantage. In that sense Khaba works. Khaba would be very good if MM would consider it like a CL and as such your team does not have an disadvantage in "real" DD numbers.
They don't mean in the sense, it's a bad destroyer, people also argue the point that it's bad and borderline unplayable as a ship. Obviously I know the downside to having a Khabarovsk on your team compared to a real good concealment DD, but to be honest, even though Khaba's concealment is really bad, I still manage a 76% win rate in it overall, and a 70% win rate in it solo, over 70 games.
I'm here because I randomly bought the Blyscawica and Gnewny. I never played the game to get high damage numbers, but with those 2 ships I got to know another side of WoWs - the generic arcade mechanic and damage farming. ;)
I haven't played Khabarovsk without legendary for a while, without legendary mod you're going to want to play with Prop mod in Slot 4 and Rudder mod Slot 5, therefore, because of this, your gun range will go down from 14.8km down to 13.7km I believe, which isn't the same, really and truly its up to you to decide, I have played it without legendary before, to grind for the legendary back in the day, and playing non-legendary I always was playing to get the legendary so I could have the extra range, cause it felt limiting, really it's up to you, I personally prefer the Legendary though. Hope my experience with this helps you decide.
@@MalteseKnight yea, back in the day I couldn't be bothered grinding the legendary. Now I want to actually play the Khaba but it feels limiting without the legendary really. Thanks for the response, definitely helping 👍
I think the perfect way to explain Khaba is, "fun but not competitive". I never fail to have a fun game in Khaba, but carry is going to be difficult for a ship so power crept. Every time I get a kill on a dd with Khaba I think, "you just died to a Khaba"!
Khaba being replaced by a sidegraded Taskhent. Now WEGE can finally say that Zorkiy is really a super ship and not a sidegraded Khaba. maltaMadge WEGEE has some explaining TO DO fan BTW!
Indeed, there is a gunrange limitation, but if you're alright with that, that's good, I used to play Rudder Prop Khabarovsk, before I unlocked the Unique Upgrade, because, back then you had to play the ship to unlock the unique upgrade, was a fun way too!
I still don't see why I'd play this instead of turning my brain off and play Kleber. Or my brain on and play Marceau. Or enlighting my braincells by reaching peak gameplay with Yahagi.
@@RoydeanEU Kleber's legendary module turns it into a torpedo boat thus lessening the gap with Yahagi. As such, Kleber is strictly superior to Khabarovsk.
Have a like for not cherry picking a match and doing a live one instead. Although, I am a bit upset on you because you messed around with my squishy ship in a game yesterday on NA. You were in a Druid and opened up on my Kremlin with AP. P.S. I am sorry about blind firing you in smoke for 5 hits , but you can always blame Flamu for that .
Really think they could of just gave people the Ships they replaced and made ships like the Khaba and GK premium ships for coal. I know they have done so in the past. Like when they replaced Kirov at teir 5 they gave players that had the Kirov it for free and then the ship that replaced it. I had GK long enough to get xp greater than the amount it took to research it however I didn't get the Prussen for free. Now I have to grind out 255k xp to get the Preussen. It took me about 2 years to get the GK. Also, if I knew they were not going to give the ship I wouldn't have used the 250k free xp that I once had to unlock Yamato a few weeks ago. Vague wording is what infuriates me the most. It's not like I just unlocked GK a few days ago just so I can keep it. I had it since something like Nov 2020.
Torpedoes, Khabas worst enemy ... I ran Vigilance back then with smoke Khaba just because of that ... EDIT: I have to learn to have more patience in this ship ... definitely
I think Khaba is most fun ship to play. You just say "I am Speed" and start blasting. Unlike french armaments, russian railguns are accurate and easy to hit targets and heal makes it much more forgivable to mistakes. Seriously I am so disappointed with French DDs.
One small thing to note about the Khaba torps is that they have the shortest reaction time of pretty much any torpedo in the game at just under 5 seconds. So if you somehow get an accurate torp salvo off they're pretty hard to avoid.
coincidently that's also the time you have left to live if your torps fail to kill the target
coincidentally, the number 5 is also the amount of kills the whole playerbase has been able to get with khaba torps ;)
True, they are relatively slow I believe though, but stealthy, thanks for sharing!
Yep those 0.8km detection torps are better stealth wise than deepwater torps.
So they are even more countered by Hydro, good to know.
Your whole meme personality/gampelay makes you my favorite CC.
I appreciate the comment! Thank You :D
@@MalteseKnight yep, less salt, more relax but not soporific.
I really enjoy this format of live gameplay. Really good idea with this.
Thanks for the vid and see you in the next one.
BigFan
Thank You, Big Fan!
I really like how you narrate what you're about to do as you do it, very good learning material for the average Joe like me.
Thank You, I'm glad you enjoyed!
Once again we're blessed with quality content. Love the video and the ship. Big Fan!
Big Fan!
Whenever I see Khaba, I get reminded of an extremely old video I saw when I was starting this game. It was a CC complaining that there's no reason to play any cruiser, especially French ones, when Khaba exists. How the turntables...
I think giving Khaba Tashkent range would make the ship much more comfortable. She was powercrept and needed some adjustments (and perhaps a replacement) for sure, but Delny doesn't fix anything. It's like WG completely forgot why they wanted to replace Khaba in the first place.
Anyway I can finally use Kuznetsov on Khaba without retraining so big fan!
Big Fan! Free Captain Movements!
khaba needs a range and rudder shift buff.
stock rudder shift is slower than a moskva.
@@mephiztophelezemephiztophe31 I second the rudder. If WG doesn't want to buff the range because of the leg mod that is understandable. But the rudder shift time really needs an improvement.
Even more than power crept WeeGee nerfed him into the ground.
They made it so it couldn’t take slot 6 range mod, they reduced the torpedo range from 10km to 6km but made them stealthy and finally they ganked its rudder shift HARD so you would have to choose between rudder shift or stealth.
Tbh when I got my khaba 3 or 4 years ago I just kept the Tashkent because I felt it was the better ship overall. Much larger range and 2km longer torps are a huge deal for how dangerous you are shooting torps around islands since I try and play the objective some till I’m forced off, at-least as a courtesy since I am using a DD slot.
I reset the line a year ago, so I’m pretty excited to A. Actually get my khaba back with a free premium camo and B. To finish the dang t6 and start getting a delny, since they finally made a tier 10 trashkent.
Edit: Also just gotta add, I don’t have the legendary khaba mod. So that stains my perception a lot. While losing the rudder shift definitely is going to hurt the range and reload are definitely going to make up for it.
The problem with 13.5km max range to me is that you’re just in the “point blank” range of too many guns still. No chance to react even if you had a 1 second rudder shift and they don’t really need to lead much either.
@@Forbiddina they already gave Khaba back to everyone
Came here because my game is updating rn. Perfect timing. Big fan btw.
Big Fan!
Thanks for showing regular games man, this gives me a sense of how I will perform in this. Playing a ship after watching a 1% incredible game from a super unicum is usually such a deception. Already had the Tashkent, glad I spent the FXP to unluck the Khaba, not going to buy it, waiting to get it. Big fan btw!
P.S. I watched a Flamu game where you landed torps with a Shima. Say 'big fan' if you have been kidnapped and someone is using your account. I'll call the police.
Big Fan, yeah I can definitely show highlights, and I will, of good games, but I think this is a fair performance for games.
@@MalteseKnight I'll call the police
I love the activity on this channel
Trying my best to upload daily currently, hope it's going well!
@@MalteseKnight It definitely is. Keep up the good work👍🏼
Nicely done :)
Also, Preussen video when ?
And we need that Range Mod GK game as highlight :D
Range Mod GK highlight coming soon :)
Quite sad to see the Khabarovsk be gone being widely aviable to now go for coal, it was not the most meta ship, but i think the replacement is not as well as moskva/nevsky, where you can see an actual change in playstyle/feeling. But i loved to see a video on the OG "Kite and be Annoying" DD. Keep it up.
Big Fan! Indeed I prefer this to Delny.
Would love to see a Grozo vid with its legendary mod! Awesome work as always dude, thank you
Recorded and ready, uploading tomorrow on the 17th, I'm really happy on how it turned out, it's part of the How I Play series, like Kleber, really excited for you guys to see it!
@@MalteseKnight Your gold mate. Looking forward to it. I'd been thinking of RB for another UU (I got the Kharba unique upgrade) and am looking hard at the Grozo upgrade. Cheers man o7
@@MalteseKnight looking forward to it. Actually bought the leg mod for it after watching your Delny vid.
I find your advocation for the legendary mod interesting. I haven't played my Khaba much yet, but so far I'm averaging 108K in it. I don't have the legendary and play with the rudder mod. The loss of rudder shift will hurt, but it won't be the end of the world with the extra range and more dakka is welcome
It is also a matter of personal preference. With better rudder shift you can play the Khaba more traditionally, using the speed and rudder to turn and weave. Whereas with the legendary mod you will need to play around with the throttle more to dodge. It is good the Khaba by itself already has great acceleration and deceleration due to the high power to weight ratio.
@@facenoise465 that's a good point. Yea, I use a combination of throttle and rudder to dodge. I've seen some people play these fast DDs hardly moving until they're shot at and they accelerate or reverse. They use the throttle almost exclusively. I would have to work on that kind of throttle juking then if I decide to try the legendary mod
Tried Khaba with acceleration/UU but quickly went back to double rudder - the added range and reload for a worse heal/engine boost and no rudder didn't mesh with me. I am glad its now a premium though - Means I can play it more without using camos up :D Have no intention of getting the Delny to play (Maybe get for a snowflake a year) Khaba will always be my open-water favourite
just came back to the game after a few years, was pleasantly surprised to see my khaba is now a premium for some reason :D
Looking forward for Grozovoi review. Sometimes is better to show average game, because most people don't get everytime great game with record high result and average games are very often.
I’m showing recorded games with live commentary as they happen, so you’ll see how the Grozovoi games went soon!
Throwing RB points on top of the expensive coal price would kinda suck if you didn't have Khab already.
Miss the old days of playing a ship further after you earned it for the Leg mod. Made you play the boat more and master it, and have something to earn after the tech tree grind journey.
Depending on if one likes gun boats, hard to recommend this one once it goes for coal/ + RB Leg mod for those reasons unless you REALLY like that play style and have the resources. Curious to see how many people drop resources on it in the future. Wonder if we see more, less, or the same amount of Khaba's down the road as a result. Yet I still enjoy mine from time to time, I know Malta does!
Exactly, it used to be fun playing the ship itself to get the legendary mod!
Everything I've read about the ship is that is basically a liability without that legendary upgrade so I think this ship will just become a port queen/co-op runner/snowflake earner for me. Too many other good ships to be playing to waste much time on this, but I am glad I spent free XP to get her (from the Kiev) and just reset the line for RB points when I decide to go up it again.
Alot of ppl were pretty bummed out when the stealth firing got removed, but i think it was a good change for the game overall
Yeah, it was for sure!
informative vid love it
big fan btw XD
Solid review, although I prefer to play the Khabster with AFT only, cowboy style with double rudder. The 13.5km range doesn't bother me that much, although it could be better just by km.
Khaba is an awesome ship in skilled hands and a piece of junk when played by potatoes.
Like almost every ship in this game lmao
I wish there was a way to make the khaba concealment as high as the henri lighthouse build.
Hahaha, imagine that
As you say in the video, the sad aspect of Khaba is that it's the only ship where you basically *have to* spend 20k RB points for the UU to make it playable. Ship really really need a little bit of love from the balance department.
Well it used to have a bigger range but it got nerfed, not surprised tbh, no one likes feeling helpless against a tiny DD they can't hit
Agreed, at least give us the legendary module or allow us to buy the mod for coal
When did battleship AP not apply 100% to Khab? Is the change the same for Haragumo?
BB AP stopped arming on Khaba the same patch when it stopped arming for Harugumo.
Khaba is better than the Delny hands down. Thank god I got it in my garage. Maltese, Can you do a video on the Zao?
Indeed :D
Khabarovsk is quite a fun dd the ability to bounce all battleship ap in the game makes for some quite funny moments. Nothing quite like bouncing Shiki shells lol
Khaba can have some interesting moments lmao
Very cool ship but ought to get some buffs. And nerfing of French DD that mega powercreep a lot of DD gunboats. Excited to play Khaba again now that I get to put Kuznetzov on it without paying to retrain!
I'd love a Grozo video!
Tomorrow!
Yay!
I also picked up the Khaba today. Im not that great at gunboating DDs yet, at least not the openwater - no smoke ones, but I feel like Id missing out if I did not. Also it will be pretty fun to use the Russian bullshit commander on her lol. Nice review Malta
Have fun with it!
You nailed russian pronunciation
Thank You :)
Do you know when will gk and khaba been changed to coal ships for the EU server?
Thursday 17th February 2022.
@@MalteseKnight thx a lot for your answer
Well if people say Khana is a bad DD, they mean Khaba is bad at DD things, mainly cap contesting. If the enemy know how to levarage cap control, its a automatic loose in games with only 1-2 DDs. This gets less important with 4 DD games, and also in random many players dont know how to play when they have spotting and cap advantage. In that sense Khaba works. Khaba would be very good if MM would consider it like a CL and as such your team does not have an disadvantage in "real" DD numbers.
They don't mean in the sense, it's a bad destroyer, people also argue the point that it's bad and borderline unplayable as a ship. Obviously I know the downside to having a Khabarovsk on your team compared to a real good concealment DD, but to be honest, even though Khaba's concealment is really bad, I still manage a 76% win rate in it overall, and a 70% win rate in it solo, over 70 games.
I'm here because I randomly bought the Blyscawica and Gnewny. I never played the game to get high damage numbers, but with those 2 ships I got to know another side of WoWs - the generic arcade mechanic and damage farming. ;)
I would like to know if a khaba without legendary is worth it?
I haven't played Khabarovsk without legendary for a while, without legendary mod you're going to want to play with Prop mod in Slot 4 and Rudder mod Slot 5, therefore, because of this, your gun range will go down from 14.8km down to 13.7km I believe, which isn't the same, really and truly its up to you to decide, I have played it without legendary before, to grind for the legendary back in the day, and playing non-legendary I always was playing to get the legendary so I could have the extra range, cause it felt limiting, really it's up to you, I personally prefer the Legendary though. Hope my experience with this helps you decide.
@@MalteseKnight yea, back in the day I couldn't be bothered grinding the legendary. Now I want to actually play the Khaba but it feels limiting without the legendary really. Thanks for the response, definitely helping 👍
I think it's worth it, just makes dodging incoming shells harder because you have to play closer to the angry fat boats you keeping setting on fire.
I think the perfect way to explain Khaba is, "fun but not competitive". I never fail to have a fun game in Khaba, but carry is going to be difficult for a ship so power crept. Every time I get a kill on a dd with Khaba I think, "you just died to a Khaba"!
Khaba being replaced by a sidegraded Taskhent. Now WEGE can finally say that Zorkiy is really a super ship and not a sidegraded Khaba.
maltaMadge
WEGEE has some explaining TO DO fan BTW!
Lmao
Bruh, both your discord and twitch links dont work lol
Do they still not work?
@@MalteseKnight Seems to be fine now :p
I got Khabba the day after OWSF nerf....
Groz review please
Groz How I Play video coming out tomorrow!, and yeah I got Khaba after all the nerfs :/
Another good alternative is rudder mod 2.
Indeed, there is a gunrange limitation, but if you're alright with that, that's good, I used to play Rudder Prop Khabarovsk, before I unlocked the Unique Upgrade, because, back then you had to play the ship to unlock the unique upgrade, was a fun way too!
@@MalteseKnight love the videos and streams 😊👍
I still don't see why I'd play this instead of turning my brain off and play Kleber. Or my brain on and play Marceau. Or enlighting my braincells by reaching peak gameplay with Yahagi.
Hmmmmmmm, Yahagi moment?
@@MalteseKnight The true destroyer experience.
Some people just enjoy khaba's dd reload time over kleber's cruiser reload :))))))
@@RoydeanEU Kleber's legendary module turns it into a torpedo boat thus lessening the gap with Yahagi. As such, Kleber is strictly superior to Khabarovsk.
No smoke! I play the Ostergoland, because it has 5.6 DR and 13 klm torps; but Kava has no smoke and 8 K DR, I have not the nerve to do that.
Have a like for not cherry picking a match and doing a live one instead. Although, I am a bit upset on you because you messed around with my squishy ship in a game yesterday on NA. You were in a Druid and opened up on my Kremlin with AP.
P.S. I am sorry about blind firing you in smoke for 5 hits , but you can always blame Flamu for that .
Really think they could of just gave people the Ships they replaced and made ships like the Khaba and GK premium ships for coal. I know they have done so in the past. Like when they replaced Kirov at teir 5 they gave players that had the Kirov it for free and then the ship that replaced it. I had GK long enough to get xp greater than the amount it took to research it however I didn't get the Prussen for free. Now I have to grind out 255k xp to get the Preussen. It took me about 2 years to get the GK. Also, if I knew they were not going to give the ship I wouldn't have used the 250k free xp that I once had to unlock Yamato a few weeks ago. Vague wording is what infuriates me the most. It's not like I just unlocked GK a few days ago just so I can keep it. I had it since something like Nov 2020.
I hate the fact that Khaba has "9.7 km concealment + Garbage rudder shift" ! That's it! She need buffs!😟😒
Yeah, they are tough to deal with.
Torpedoes, Khabas worst enemy ... I ran Vigilance back then with smoke Khaba just because of that ...
EDIT: I have to learn to have more patience in this ship ... definitely
Indeed, torpedoes are the biggest enemy!
Pls do grozovio review
Grozovoi Video tomorrow! It's a How I Play video! I'm really excited to show the community!
Remind me why anybody would pay 240k coal for this over the Delny, which is arguably better in almost every aspect?
If you watch the video, you can get reminded, Imagine commenting without watching the video.
@@MalteseKnight Understandable, but I still like to think the same kind of battle results could be accomplished with less effort in Delny, no?
@@rjcolombe It's personal preference, I personally prefer Khabarovsk, it has significantly better DPM, so I prefer it. The video says this.
I think Khaba is most fun ship to play. You just say "I am Speed" and start blasting. Unlike french armaments, russian railguns are accurate and easy to hit targets and heal makes it much more forgivable to mistakes. Seriously I am so disappointed with French DDs.
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noone will buy this junk for coal
You'd be surprised, anything is possible in the future XD, people bought Gremy for 36k Doubs, when I believe the minimum bid was in the 10ks Lmao