"The Acolyte" Episode Six Deep Dive: There's some decent stuff in this one actually...
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Thor, the reason why Mae didn’t kill Sol before is because she changed her mind, and later in the ship she changed her mind again. That’s her whole deal: she is a faithful servant to The Plot.
There is no way someone cant convince me she isnt just Bi-polar, sadly though they cant really tell us she is, i just want sub text saying she is or a writer to just say so.
The writer are just so sloppily writing around logic instead of writing it. It's so annoying. Things are lacking any logic because the plot is being pushed over it.
@@zelha5528 hehe, I learned of an interesting theory that Osha and Mae are so connected through the Force (because of the circumstances of their conception) they might be inadvertently influencing each other's thoughts and actions. Someone went as far as to say that Osha has the ability of Battle Meditation but doesn't know it. I think it's interesting but it still doesn't excuse the show's constant contrivances and just awful writing in general.
She is walking the boundary. Jedi and Sith are vying for the twins who can be swayed both sides, each of them being pulled in a different direction, depending on what context they are in. As long as they are separated. And this is the plot.
@@annalivia1308 Has anyone been able to notice a correspondence between the two?
When Mae is Sithy is Osha either consistently Sithy orJedie? And visa versa.
BTW Sithy is actually a word derived from the expression 'See Thee.'
Mae is a no one. Her motivations shift every scene. I love my sister. I hate my sister. I will kill Sol. I will let him live and deceive him. I will turn myself into the Jedi. I will run away from the Jedi.
Also how come Sol has been thinking what he would say to Mae if he ever saw her again when he was sure she was dead?
All the facts keep shifting, and not in a good intriguing way which makes you question which is true and which is false, but in a way where the writers need certain things to be the case for one scene and so they are, and then they need things to be another way for the next scene and so they are.
agreed. also, what was that whole yord and osha going back to the ship thing? really? the only plot point was for her to see those creatures and how they were attracted to light which was stated in the pervious episode. "yord, we need to go back" "I will subdue you if I need to." "your, we need to go back, he will kill everyone." then they go back. duh... no shite Sherlock. lazy writing.
Reva from Kenobi has a similar problem driven by vengeance beyond any sense all logic
Revenge against Kenobi, no Vader, na screw this I'm just gonna kid that may or may not have anything to do with ether of them
I agree with most of what you said. But I think Sol thinking "what would I say to Mae if I ever got the chance to speak to her in a civil manner." Is perfectly acceptable. It's a well documented trait for people to think "how could I have handled that?" Or "man, if I had a chance to redo that conversation then here is how I would do things." It's basically Sol getting to live out a shower argument fantasy.
@@pengin56 oh, we're talking about different scenes friend. oh nvm i though you were directly replying to me, my bad.
@@pbh9195 even reva was written better. she hated kenobi because he wasn't there to save her or the other younglings. she hated vader Bc she knew who he was. then she thought the only way to get back at vader would be to kill his kid... which, how did she know that? ugh im trying to make sense of something that doesn't. i really liked the actress, i did.. but she was written in as a "strong black female character". you know the acolyte isn't great when im defending kenobi over it.
Why does this show LOVE doing the “Osha suddenly wakes up into a sitting position” shot?? 😂
Someone should make a compilation video once the show's complete - all the sudden wake-ups
How is Bazil the only character with clear motivations in this show?
Obviously it's a misdirect, Bazil has been the true master all along.
Not sure that he is. He was tasked with finding the Wookie, whom he should've found dead by the point of the battle.
At which point he should've tried to help, or call for external support (given everyone else was in a battle).
Instead he was doing nothing in particular waiting for the plot to catch up and his cue to do something.
In a good story, characters are still living their lives off screen. In the Acolyte, everyone is waiting for the turn on stage, like a school play.
@@Valen-mh9fh Damn. Not even Bazil. :(
Bazil is the Sith Lord!
imagine asking Rian Johnson for advice on _Star Wars…_
Did that fact subvert your expectations!?
@@davechan8613 - honestly, no 😑
It's like they're trying to do another Reylo ship with Smilo Ren and Osha
Rian: Um, just smash everything, shat all over it, and call whoever don't like it "manbabies."
One does not simply subvert zero expectations.
The instant Sol figures out Mae is not Osha, wouldn’t his priority be to go back and find Osha?
Fanfic sites have a TON of great ideas as well...the problem is almost always in the execution.
By that metric alone, the series is pure fanfic and it shows.
I love fanfiction.
The essence of why film writing cannot be simply compared to book writing. For this reason alone, Lucas has always been a strong writer for movies/screenplays.
The biggest problem i am having with this show is how none of the Jedi masters can feel the disturbance in the force. Weve had multiple Jedi dying on screen and at no point has Yoda felt this or any of them for that matter. The Ki-adi Mundi shit is a whole other level of lore fuk ups.
Luke was able to sense when Yoda was watching him and sense the dark side in a cave far away even though he wasn't fully trained lol.
I still cant believe that, all these years later, people still somehow like The Last Jedi. Even the biggest prequel fans will say Attack of the Clones isnt perfect and its plot is convoluted. Yet, asking sequel fans to admit the same about TLJ, is an impossible task
There are arguments against TLJ but there are arguments in favour of the film too
It's about your own personal enjoyment and what you take away from a film, for a long time there was a backlash against the prequels
And some fans said no to the noise and embraced what they enjoyed,
People attribute that to time passing, additional lore and story helped with a researgence in the popularity of the prequels.
A similar situation could occur with the sequel films.
Every scene in the Prequel trilogy ultimately leads to that one big moment in episode 3 where the Jedi are overthrown. The same cannot be said about the sequels.
I think because TLJ fans think people who don't like it are too stupid to realise how good it is i.e., they're arrogant.
@Valen-mh9fh I quite like TLJ but my enjoyment isn't contingent on others so in the nicest way I don't really care if someone else doesn't like something that I do.
I would happily engage in a discussion on my reasons though.
But I find it goes both ways, you will get people who say "you're too stupid to understand it"
And that's not helpful
But you also get
"It's terrible no redeeming qualities, it ruined Star Wars"
Again not helpful.
34:10 "We get to see her putting on the helmet, and hear her breathing, which is kinda neat."
Sorry, no! It wasn't EARNED! The build-up was rushed and sophomoric! A captured Allied officer in WWII shouldn't be "trying on" the uniform of a Waffen-S.S. soldier on the first day of his capture!
I felt like it was another episode where character motivations changed from scene to scene and everything continues to be dragged out to fill that 30 minute time slot.
I think the same as you…
Its things like cutting away from the scene constantly, dragging out body movements, slowing down conversations. Switching perspectives from one pair of characters on a ship to another pair on a planet and resetting both scenes. These all contribute to a "filler" feeling. The problem is you witness the passage of time as you watch because of the style in directing and the unimmersive story.
Hahaha. Thor is trying to read anything into Mae's "character" motivations. You have to figure out who is writing her at that exact moment and what plot point they are trying to crowbar in.
50 Shades of Acolyte😐
I'm starting to see a number of other reviewers, considering Qimir to be the hero figure, who only wants the freedom to kill anyone who he thinks might get in his way.
“Oh How the Mighty Have Fallen.”
Not Thor though
Who's saying that?
Like he's not the good guy, he's being 'nice' in this episode the Same way Palpatine is "use my knowledge I beg you"
He might have a tragic story for how he ended up here like maul.
But he's not a good guy, interesting character but manipulative AF.
@@neutronstarpilot4393 I agree with you.
But I'm not going to point the finger at individuals, at this stage.
I'm not the 'thought police' as Jedi's are being portrayed in this series.
@@verazollinger6862 Thor is the best at describing the issue & upholding the Jedi Code!
I think what tipped Sol off was seeing that Osha’s PIP droid was reset, by seeing its eyes were red. He mentioned earlier how much she loved the droid.
This feels like a bad table top group with a GM who is so confused by what his players want because they also don't know.
Why dose this feel like teenage girl fanfiction? There is not one but two shirtless bad boy scenes who are are dark and broody. A all female group cult that thinks they are better just because they are female. A directionless protagonist who is always flipping between two things just because they feel like it.
The boundaries between dark and light are fluid.
When you put it like that....
All the wattpad kids grew up and got jobs
@@annalivia1308 See... and it's statements like THIS that annoy me. The boundries between the dark and the light are NOT fluid. This has been a corner stone of the entire IP and they can retcon a lot but if they all of a sudden start making that fundamental tenet of the entire Star Wars Universe "fluid" they are literally f'ing the entire thing. The core of Star Wars is the battle between a very SOLID dark and light side. Save that fluid crap for real world politics but don't bring it into Star Wars. The battle between good and evil has been the core of Star Wars for over 50 years! Nothing defines Star Wars more then that and if they do change that then it is no longer Star Wars.
@@zerolegacy7821 I agree, but the whole deal with Disney is pushing their own narratives, regardless of the IP (actually if the IP is famous they have more reasons to do so, cause money). My gripe with this show is that it's so badly written and acted, I can't just enjoy it. You could have a season finale explaining all the 'plot holes', maybe doing it really well, and I still would think I wasted time watching all the episodes until now.
Thor I admire how you're doing your very best to be positive about these shows. I've had to walk away...they've done enough damage
I actually couldn't find anything from this episode I liked, the sol stuff just annoyed me, the story points, the Sith everything with the jedi in this just rubs me the wrong way. I've been giving this series a fair try, I even didn't hate eps 3 and thought eps 4 and 5 weren't that bad. But this one to me is the worst one. Like Mae wants to kill jedi, then doesn't then does then doesn't then does again. I don't even know what this show is anymore.
Correct a few throw away lines doesn’t qualify as decent , no set up , motivations are forced and rushed in this episode . None of the acting is compelling to me but to each their own . And the context and flow of everything with Osha and Smylo Ren. “The better side of being a sith?” Well we just disagree I guess Thor . Much respect regardless
Yeah for me the first 3 episodes were "hmmm maybe it'll be mediocre". Episode 4 felt like it wasted my time. Episode 5 was only good because of the fights. This episode was a straight up soap opera episode, like I've literally watched soap operas on occasion for the lolz and this is exactly like an episode that teases a confession the entire episode.
Funniest part about the episode?
- She resets the droid to factory settings the same way you would do with a smartphone, by holding 2 buttons for couple seconds lol Shame they didn't know about that during OT and PT. Shame we can't reset Star Wars franchise to factory settings...
- He says it would take a long time for her to swim back to the ship. 2s later we see in the background that part of the island is so close that it would take literally 30 seconds to swim there.
I agree with you on the factory reset, but as far as swimming to that island I'm a little iffy since we don't know how deep that stretch is and you would be fighting against those waves.
First part agree. But idk, did you see those waves? That were flowing away from said island? That's a strenuous, long swim, definitely not 30 minutes. Having said that, it was a bit too close if they were trying to make a point without thinking about it too much.
Have you spent any time in/on the ocean?? Outside of a beach?? It's far more difficult than one might believe. (I served in the USCG)
I hated that so much. Took me right out of Star Wars. They can't help but add in modern bullshit to the material.
What if that’s normal for this type of droids
What if darth Vader just force choked Luke or all the Jedi for all that matter since he could force choke people like he did in empire
Bazil is the Sith master. He is shifty af.
Hey Thor, so the nudity scene confuses me - who exactly is the intended audience for this show for ? You can’t say it’s for younger ages based off the Darth cheeks scene alone - yet it seems like it has these childish moments with the little mole creature and with Pip that seem like they’re for children. When is Star Wars gonna understand its audience ? It’s like they don’t wanna fully commit to either side. It’s annoying I feel like I’m saying what I keep hearing a show made for everyone is a show made for nobody.
In my opinion, Funny enough i dont think his bathing scene is as revealing/sexualized as Leias slave outfit in EP6, the same movie with small cute Ewoks. We basically only see his bare chest. (Like with Kylo or anakin when he woke up from the Nightmare vision.
There's no actual nudity, Qimir is performing at appearing vulnerable.
There's way more skin on show from Leia in Return of the Jedi and for way longer.
Watch a video essay series called "The ethics of looking: Peeping tom trope in Hollywood." Quite a good exploration of it from a male, female and lgbt framing.
@@neutronstarpilot4393 There's more skin showing to THE VIEWER, but in this show he's legitimately naked. The implication of that is not lost on the viewer. Of course they are not going to show that.... you can't show more skin when the entire bottom is naked lol.
While I agree with nang to some degree, "basically only see his chest," is enough to get plenty of people going, especially when they have a guy who shredded and not just skinny Anakin. There was also literally no need for the shirtless scene for either of them other than maybe the part where Anakin wakes up. But showing him getting up, stretching and showing his abs after that? OK THEN lol. Yes, Leia was sexualized and shown longer, but that's sort of the point of the scene. She's a slave.. to a mobster... who liked women. All the women there were dressed like that. I really only agree with the fact that he's being vulnerable here, but of all the ways they could of shown that, they chose a very specific way lol.
I think he realized it wasn't Osha when Mae had Pip "factory reset" and in the scene Pip's "eyes" are red; and the scene is right after Sol talks about Osha's love for Pip, even if it is just a machine (my interpretation of Sol finally connecting all of the dots).
>>Pip's "eyes" are red
@@alexmuenster2102Forgot about that lol. More of the symbolism that something was off.
Thor, you hit on something in your previous videos about how there is an undercurrent within this whole series of the pleasure seeking of the dark side, or the prevalence of devil-may-care acts of violence or sex and motives of revenge. What a sad undercurrent in which to launch a story about the High Republic. Contrast the world building of The Acolyte with that of Middle-Earth in The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring, arguably the greatest fantasy movie of all time, it's first 16 minutes starting with three separate narrators, one by an elvish woman named Galadriel who gave us a highly engaging, sweeping Longview of the last age, then a much more focused narrative by Bilbo Baggins of the Shire, and then a much more brief lead-in by Frodo Baggins, letting Gandalf know about Bilbo. Wholesomeness, overwhelming wholesomeness, was the undercurrent running underneath that entire movie, and that could have been what this time of "High Peace" in the Star Wars galaxy could have been about. Oh the opportunities missed with this series! Do the creators really believe that they will, in any way, further their careers with this modern day show that can only vape on the hyperspace trail of what has gone before rather than keep up with any of those projects in any way? All of the events within The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring, starting with the 3 narratives, culminates flawlessly in an unforgettable riveting chase scene about 1 hour and 20 minutes into the movie in which you are enraptured and cannot look away, hoping beyond hope that Frodo makes it, even though you've read the books every even year since your tenth birthday.. The Acolyte will be forgotten in history, but The Lord Of The Rings won't.
I hadn't thought about a correlation with LOTR. That's actually a really good idea. Somehow show the creeping Darkside encroaching on a High Republic era that is overall at peace and content. Then have an Acolyte or whatever try and corrupt a Padawan orJedi Knight to become their apprentice. Focus on the Sith and their motivations, but mostly show what the Galaxy at peace, BECAUSE of the Jedi, looks like.
@@Loki_Yogi Definitely! They could have had Yoda and Sol as the Qui-Gon or "Aragorn" type figure, a turncoat, or Saruman type character, and even brought back Sean Bean as a Jedi for his best death scene yet!
Look , at least Kenobi was trying to save Leia , Ahsoka was after Thrawn , this is literally nothing!
@Starwarslegorob If we view this through a triangle of storytelling.
Plot
Character
Setting
Mae (Character) is going from planet to planet (Setting) to kill Jedi for a past transgression (plot)
That's the basic structure.
Like
Frodo (Character) travelling middle earth (Setting) to destroy the one ring (plot)
It's something useful for finding the narrative through line in stories.
@@neutronstarpilot4393except Mae has no character, the plot isn't explained or acted in a way that seems plausible, and the setting is a skin suit of Lucas' Star Wars.
@Valen-mh9fh Sir its just one of many storytelling frameworks
There are more complex ones, this was for the through line.
In a mystery plot, you shouldn't be able to see all of the elements until the writter wants you to.
This is not a critique on quality but just basic structure.
@@neutronstarpilot4393Sir I appreciate you.
But everything you’ve laid out just reinforces the fact that there is no art present within this series.
What’s worse is there is ZERO respect for the source material.
This is pure disrespect.
@@johns4469 Thank you for the cordial reply,
I would disagree about there being no art present or it being disrespectful to the source material
That's not to say it's free from any critisism
But viewing the Jedi aspects, it seems very in line with what George Lucas would establish in the prequel era.
There are good or noble individual Jedi but the order as an institution has strayed too far from its original purpose.
It's the cracks and weaknesses in the foundations the Sith will exploit.
Ye, she totally looked at his better side in the pool scene, especially that quick glance down was deeply philosophical.
Venestra’s mythical light-saber whip finally makes its debut… and it’s used to swat a fly.
Another RUclipsr called him Darth Bather, that made me chuckle
"Now... now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now..."
Thats what it sounds like if you watch the first few seconds of literally every Thor video in rapid secession.
And it's beautiful.
Leslye Headland confirmed that the planet is not Ach-To.
Darth Cheeks... Thor, the timing of that is incredible. LOL
When the best episode so far is the one where almost nothing happened you know the show is in trouble.
I'm suspecting that Qimir is not looking for a friend or simply one apprentice/acolyte, but when he mentions something about 'the power of two' as something he was looking for, we are thinking he meant the Sith Rule of Two -- master and apprentice. But what if he is searching for a "Force Dyad" like Rey and Ben had in the sequels. Qimir may know Mae and Osha are a Dyad and wants to manipulate them to help him.
We have a theory at our house that Qimir was Vernestra’s apprentice at one time. Explains V’s actions to try to keep this quiet. Explains Sol’s vague familiarity about which Q questions him. We don’t think V is dark though. But where is the show going? Who knows. Do they?
Or they are being more idiots of not actually doing something about it. My goodness, the real Prequels Jedi would have dealt that issue here and there. THR Jedi were way too slow to handle the situation.
Jeremy Jahns said of this latest episode "we don't know what's happening because the characters don't know because the writers don't know"
Sounds about right to me!
@mazkeraid4039 They're super complacent and comfortable, similar to the prequel Jedi
They just don't expect it, the only thing that wakes the Jedi up in the prequels is the clone wars,
Even Dooku explicitly saying the Sith are in charge of the Republic doesn't tip them off
George lucas was interested in how democracy falls in to fascism and complacency is a big part,
There are good individual Jedi still on the path connected to the will of the force but the Order as an institution has wandered too far from the original purpose of the Jedi.
>>But where is the show going? Who knows. Do they?
*Episode 7:* flashbacks - what did Sol and Co do wrong 16 years ago?
*Episode 8:* Qimir turns Osha bad, Sol reconciles with Mae & confesses to the High Council
→ Vernestra uses the momentum to blame all the Jedi deaths on Khofar + Mae's training & her killing spree on Sol (he gets "The Wrong Jedi"-ed)
→ Sol is gotten rid of either by Vernestra/the Council or Osha
⇒ Ki-Adi-Mundi's line still holds up, as a fallen Jedi is believed to have been responsible
*Post credit scene:* Vernestra gets rid of Qimir because he's causing too much of a stir (he gets "The Lawless"-ed, like Maul & Savage by Sidious), revealing that she used to be his master
Vernestra is the Sith Apprentice, who made her Jedi Padawan Qimir her Sith Assassin/Acolyte, until she got rid of him
→ that's how he got the lightwhip-shaped scar on his back
⇒ he lost everything: first his family in the Jedi Order when turning to the dark side & then his prospects of becoming a Sith/strong in the dark side
→ he made his own way (possibly founding the Knights of Ren)
Vernestra Rwoh covered everything up back then when her Padawan Qimir "died/went missing" & now she's doing the same
PS: She might've been involved with the Witches of Brendok 16 years ago, which is why her former apprentice Qimir got interested in Mae, Osha & the power of two
My Master was a meanie, just look at the whip marks on my back. Next scene: Master whipping bugs. Nice tension there.
Tasi Lowa
Should we put out some MISSING PERSON posters about her?
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She is Yord's padawan from the first episode, in case you forgot. 😂
She was kicked out of the Jedi Order for coming up with the stupid plan of putting a suspected Jedi killer on a lightly guarded prison ship and not escorting said ship back to Coruscant.
I truly believe the show is just getting dumber and dumber as we go along. At first I thought it was just rookie incompetence, now I'm starting to feel llike it's bad on purpose, like we're being baited or got at for some reason.
Yeah the fact that the show wants to keep stuff vauge as possible is annoying.
I've been saying since the 1st 2 episodes, and especially for Ep. 3, that I feel like we're all being trolled.
In a bad way, of course.
It IS on purpose
Its an anti-prequel fan fic
Fans started turning against SW as early as RoTJ. The people still hate watching this show after 6 episodes never learned to let go of their attachments (change the channel).
Do you live in a galaxy far away where better sci-fi and fantasy doesn't exist?
1. Dune
2. Witcher
3. Lord of the Rings
4. Game of Thrones
5. The Foundation
6. Eric of Melinbone
7. Ringworld
8. etc...
Not growing up is a path to the shithead side of the of the force.
Heaven forbid we have standards 🙄
Besides it’s not like all fans think in unison
I never had a grudge with the prequels but people like Mike Stoklasa sure did😔
The scenes with Qimir and Osha did keep me interested. The other scenes just me left wondering why anyone would think this was acceptable writing, just like the vast majority of the rest of the show. Still, I'd put this episode above the first 4 and on a par with episode 5, which is, yet again, damning with faint praise.
"Like to see Sol grappling with his loss of seven friends" - Sol just left seven friends to rot on a literal alien planet, that just hatched a swarm of flesh eating bugs. I'm just here for the mental gymnastics of the plot and the reviews.
There's this thing in back of my head that is thinking David Harwood is voicing a CGI Plagueis who will be revealed as the actual Sith Master and he has yet to appear in this show, said to have a small role. But then there's the nepotism of showrunner Leslie Headland who cast her Wife in not just one but TWO separate roles in this series, so there's that too.
I dunno, maybe Harwood is actually playing Finn's great grandfather who it turns out works as a Janitor back at the Jedi Temple, And Osha & Mae eventually do "FUUSION!!!" and come together morphing into one "Being" and that's who Leslie's wifey ends up playing, and they take out EVERYONE - *The End* 🤷
Mike Flanagan casts his wife in everything he does.
@@MideXIII Did you hear bout Dallas Sonnier saying that when Leslie Headland first came to Hollywood, she actually used to be based? It seems the woke virus got to her in the end (or maybe just Weinstein did).
>>Headland who cast her Wife in not just one but TWO separate roles in this series
I think Sol figured out it was Mae when he saw how she handled the PIP droid, as if it were a tool. He even tells her that Osha always spoke to it like it was her friend. He could have been that emotionally clouded when they left Khofar that he didn't realize it was Mae, but when he did, his first impulse should have been to go back to the planet to search for Osha. The show doesn't explain how he knew Osha was no longer there. Also no one mentions Kelnacca. Not even the search team.
Qimir being Vernestra's apprentice would actually be somewhat of a poetic tragedy especially for those who have read the books. Since Vernestra managed to save her first Padawan (Imri Cantaros) from the dark side but not Qimir.
still, it'd make up for me hating her character since she spoke.
The scars on Qimir's back look like they camne from a whip... who in this show has a whip? 🫣
@@jbug1979 me!!! oh wait im not in the show...
Wouldn't her whip just cut through him? @@jbug1979
@@nah7656 😄
I feel like a terrible person saying this, but I would be lying if I didn't say that I feel incredibly annoyed at people eating this awful show up. At the end of the day people can like what they want even if I think it's horribly written, but it's so disappointing. Is Bob Iger ok with this utter failure that is disney star wars?
He knows that people will at least hate watch this shit and that means purchasing a Disney Plus Account
He’s gotten away with going cheap on park perks and maintenance
@beastlyarrow6570 Depends on your starting position and how fair a chance someone is willing to give it.
There are people determined to dislike everything and they started doing that before the show even came out
People who aren't that interested in star wars and don't know anything about the online opinions of various creators say the show is fine,
Not blowing their socks off but enjoyable, but then they are baffled when you bring up online hate.
Sol just left six Jedi corpses to rot in the woods? What a douche.
Amber bugs gotta eat, too! Just sayin'.
@@alexmuenster2102 Oh, yeah. Duh. I take it back. Sol's not a douche.
Including his own Padawan, what a canute. 😂
Osha and Q'mir on the planet Hawk Tua
Q'mir: "you..want this,don't you?Gooood..I can feel your thirst,it has made you powerful..I am unclothed..Grab my lightsaber,and take your sister's place at my side..It is unavoidable..You,like your sister once was,are now..Mine."
she was quite literally being seduced by the dark side. She could have looked away but didn’t.
Smilo Rens lair, that whole scene vibe, reminded me of the cave and scene where Lo took Jen in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
Every time the green jedi lady shows up I can't help but burst out laughing...idk if it's the really bad makeup, her poor acting, or the fact that she's just over all a goofy ass character. This show tries to take itself way too seriously lmao
A true Sith would look at Qimir as weak. He is a terrible excuse for a true Sith. Any in the Bane line would mop the floor with him and they would have never allowed him to operate.
Of course not, and he would've never been allowed to strike out on his own because he would've presented the single biggest threat to his Master's continued clandestine existence.
The second this guy went rogue, Tenebrous, Plagueis, whoever, would've been giving him a prostate exam with a lightsaber.
@@rector0455 Exactly
YES! This exactly.
@@rector0455 So where are the guys now?
@cedricroney1475 He could be an abandoned Sith apprentice looking to create a new path with his own rule of two
Hence why he doesn't refer to himself as a Sith because the Sith and the Jedi are his enemies.
I don't know though? but I'm getting the sense that if the Jedi don't stop him it will be the Sith that do.
This is one of those shows where allot of stuff happens yet at the same time nothing happens.
It's interesting that the one serial murderer in Lucas Star Wars was redeemed by sacrificing himself for good.
Conversely, Disney and KK have allowed murderers to freely change their minds without consequence, become sex symbols or treated as if what they've done barely matters. Disney and KK also gave the ex secretary of a serial rapist a one hundred million dollar budget to direct a show.
I'm dubious about the prospect of a season two, so they better wrap Qmir's story in full by the end of the season
The constant flip flopping is quite annoying now, it feels like the tension is all artificial, will she kill him, won’t she, all knowing that she won’t. Both sisters have the same flip flop issue, it’s becoming very predicable. It just again comes down to bad writing that the could not execute a decent sister conflict story, which as you have mentioned , the idea had great potential.
I don't think Vernestra is a Sith, simply because that would imply the Jedi are blameless for all her mistakes, and I don't think that's what the writers are after. They seem to be trying to paint the Jedi as oppressive, incompetent, and politically obsessed; and Vernestra is a perfect vessel for that narrative. If they make Vernestra a dark-sider, she just becomes a scapegoat, and the Jedi are justified again.
Instead, I think what they're going with is Qimir was Vernestra's apprentice in the Jedi Order. Then he started using the dark side. Vernestra fought him (also a reference to TLJ), used her lightsaber-whip to leave that asymmetric scar, and presumed him dead. Now that she's seeing all these Jedi killed by a lightsaber, she realizes it's probably him, but doesn't want to say anything because she's to blame.
In the end, Qimir will have just been a fallen Jedi, and because Mae was his apprentice, the Jedi won't believe there are any other related dark-side users. Thus, they can maintain the narrative that the Sith are "extinct" because the only dark-sider they encountered was a former Jedi, acting entirely on his own. Main-character Sol gets to stay alive, and Vernestra will just be an incompetent and controlling Jedi master, serving as a representation of the Jedi as a whole.
Imo, the reason the writing is so bad, is because they had a specific narrative they wanted to convey, but they prioritized that narrative above everything else - including character motivations and world-building. Characters keep doing things that don't make sense because "the plot" needs them to. And if that's the case, I think Qimir being just a fallen Jedi is the only possible ending, because that's they only way the writers can maintain the narrative they seem to be after.
Im part of the only watching the reviews of the show, rather than watching the show itself- tip of the hat to your reviews for being better and longer than the actual episodes. Your ideas would make for better content.
Thank you for giving great Star Wars content this near decade I've been following you
Mae makes absolutely no sense. She goes from wanting to kill Jedi, to wanting to turn herself in then less than 5 minutes later she again wants to kill Jedi. No one knows what Mae wants, not even Mae. We went from some semblance of a decent episode last week to this. It makes no sense, it breaks canon and now they want to include objectifying men. Can we at least have it both ways if you're going to do it one way?
This show just keeps stepping on its own feet and continually keeps tripping. The fact that Sol doesn't recognize his former Padawan is just lazy writing. Between this and Mae not even knowing what she's doing is ridiculous.
Thanks for the content and insight. I always like hearing your ideas and thoughts.
The last thing is 'Unknown Planet'. What is the point of this? Do they think they're being clever? If it's unknown why bother label it? I'd assume they didn't label it for a reason, but the fact that it's says unknown planet is absolutely stupid. Why does Disney constantly feel the need to try to spoon-feed us exposition?
The Sith just wanting a friend is just like saying a mass deleter deserves to teach people their skill because they want a friend. Evil is evil, being misunderstood isn't Evil's fault, ITS THEM BEING EVIL!!!
Ah Copium.When you've been fed sh@t for so long you start accepting crap and go back for seconds.
The planet has to be Ahch-To. That is the only explanation for why the show said it was Unknown
I loved reading a point where someone thought this show sounds like a teenage girl fanfiction but couldn't really pin point how and then the latest season literally undressed the sexy bad guy so the main character can watch.
@@jirdan4870 I see people make the joke, but it is serving a purpose in the story of Qimir playing at appearing vulnerable,
The obvious rebuttal would be someone saying,
"And then the mean space slug puts her in a golden bikini..."
Hey Thor I felt this Episode Proved Both May and Osha are Shitty Charectors That are Both Selfish and irredeemable! Death Means nothing to either!
This should have been a 4 episode limited series. These episodes are too short and there is nothing about it that would warrant a second season
It makes no sense that Qimir was a failed Jedi. They would have already known about him and it wouldn't explain his fighting prowess.
He said “a very long time ago.” Wait for the next two episodes to get answers-if there are any.
@@jimmyramos1989 The Jedi keep track of all their members and initiates. It also wouldn't explain his fighting and how he knows the Sith code.
He has to be a pupil of an actual Sith Lord. But since this is the only logical conclusion… it won’t be that. 🥴🤤😵💫🫠
@@custodiancolorzoo870 That doesn't make sense either because they would never allow him to operate in the open or take a chance to alert the jedi to their return.
@cedricroney1475 If he's an abandoned Sith apprentice he would see the Jedi and the Sith as his enemies
He could have been left to umm self expire, or he escaped when he learned that would be his fate
And that would explain why he doesn't call himself a Sith but makes reference to certain Sith teachings
He either is an abandoned Sith, a separate Dark side user utilising lessons of other Dark side cults before him and trying to establish his own Dark side religion
Or something else I'm not thinking of,
He made an allusion to being older than he appears, and the possibility he was once a Jedi himself?
But it's also hard to trust the things he says which makes him interesting but frustrating to pin down.
It will be interesting to see where they're going with his story.
The PIP Droid is what brought everything together for Sol, since the head(light) was put onto Qimir's back and it's back, therefore he's alive and this isn't Osha(AHSOka)
Plagueis says to Palatine that power must be his ONLY desire, recognising that you will be completely alone.
So Sol did not recognise that Osha is Mae after all. Even the most desperate of cope was acknowledging that a Jedi Master would sense pretty damn quick that his FORMER PADOWAN is not, in fact, his former Padowan. No, he had to be informed by an overgrown beaver. That's about the level we've come to expect. Last ep was 5/10, this one 4/10. FAR too much dead air in such short runtimes. I'm also convinced at this point that the writers of these episodes don't talk to each other. They seem to just work off a synopsis of the previous episodes.
Sol not being able to sense Mae when she was literally about to kill him is crazy
the last seen with her breathing like Darth Vader made me say "OH fu*k off" also how did Smilo talk to Soul if the helmet nullifies his hearing?
One thing I appreciate about the Acolyte is that its a masterclass in bad writing and plot structure. It can serve as a great example of what to do and not to do. For example, the "tension" between the Jedi and Senate could and should have been setup in Episode 1. Maybe a Jedi wants to investigate something but Senators point out they are overstepping or maybe we see the aftermath of a Senate meeting where a Jedi had to explain their actions and the Senate or whoever agrees they were right to do what they did but we as an audience get the sense the Senate isn't happy about this.
Then you could have another scene maybe Master Squid Game went to investigate the murder of Master Trinity and the green Jedi master gave permission without discussing it with the council or anything. Master Squid Game could use his Jedi mind reading at the murder scene but then the Senate calls another meeting to put him on trial for doing that and investigating murders without being the police. This could also cover why Master Squid Game was allowed to go investigate the second death but then had to return to Corrusant before the third death.
Another example that would also improve the fight between Mae and Trinity is if one of Mae's daggers were the same material as the Smilo Ren's helmet. Then when she throws a knife at Trinity, she throws two. One being the special knife and the other a normal knife. Trinity blocks but the special knife deactivates the lightsaber and then the normal knife impales her. Better way for her to die and also sets up what the helmet will do. The witnesses could even say what happened which would startle the Jedi and stuff. I can't remember where I heard this idea from, but I didn't come up with it.
Basically setup and pay-off. We would be constantly seeing the Jedi doing what they think is right but going above the law. And the Senate getting increasingly more agitated with the Jedi. Then the stupid plot of WE CAN'T TELL THE SENATE OR THE COUNCIL could make more sense. (It's still stupid).
I've not read the High Republic novels, so this was my first encounter with Vernestra's 'Light whip'. Does it have a regular lightsaber mode, or is it always in 'whip mode'? If it has a regular Light saber mode, I guess it would be a pretty neat weapon, but if it only is a 'light whip', that has to be the stupidest weapon a Jedi could use. It would be useless at close range against someone with a regular light saber. Of course you'd have to get close enough to her to get into range, but if it doesn't have a regular light saber mode, then in close quarters or tight spaces, that weapon would be absolutely useless. It couldn't wrap around something like Indiana Jones' whip as it would slice right through most things. And how does the energy field generated flex around like a whip? How would you go about assembling that? To me it seems like a really silly gimmicky weapon, unless it can be used as a regular light saber.
She can toggle off whip mode and use it like a normal saber
@LumVaughan like mentioned you can switch between modes, regular lightsaber and lightwhip.
For how it works, in a technobable way the containment field around the blade is what is 'flexible' it extends out past the usual parameters a Jedi would set for a blade
And the field makes real time adjustments as the blade follows it trying to complete it's looped plasma circuit, giving the appearance of a flexible light whip
I told you there would be technobable
But that's sort of how it works in universe.
It can be useful, but it's also a dangerous weapon, for obvious reasons without adequate training. And not very popular given a somewhat limited application.
It was more popular during the Sith wars for fending off multiple opponents, and is probably more a ceremonial weapon or function in the High Republic era.
Could you deflect blaster bolts with a light-whip?
@@alexmuenster2102 I would say yes, it's still a lightsaber blade, one of it's drawbacks is reduced cutting power,
For walls and blast doors ect
But a reduced cutting power lightsaber is still orders of magnitude better than any saw you've ever seen.
Put it this way I would not recommend you stand in it's way, or you'd be beside yourself.
It's probably way more difficult, but it would deflect blaster bolts.
@@marten6954 Good, that makes much more sense to me.
I know it's a stretch, but I can imagine them explaining away all the character discontinuities by having had the witch coven tamper with their minds: through possession. Mae's split personality & Sol's emotionalism could be explained in that way. Sol seems to be treating Mae as Clan Mother Aniseya would. I figure they must have a reason for this level of rampant incongruity?
So are they being 'too clever by far,' or just plain stupid writers?
Hard even to decide which is worse.
I actually (kind of) like this theory.
But, I do think that you're putting MUCH MORE thought into it than the actual writers did.
@@Loki_Yogi I'm afraid that I've gotten into the habit of trying to assume something rather strange is true and then fit it into a rational framework. Usually it's an enjoyable puzzle to solve. But the Acolyte it stringing things out so long, that its plain annoying.
“It’s all very vague” the true theme of this show.
I think both of the twins are trying to understand each other better through their last teachers/Master/Mentors.
Also, I suspect is trying to reconnect to force fully in through the lightside, probably because she knows if Qimir can’t turn her Darth biceps will be back and she will need to be able to defend herself with more than harsh language. Wouldn’t surprise me if she purifies his saber crystals before the series ends to defend herself.
Hey Thor! Thanks for the run down. Let's go on a magical imagination journey and use some of the things from this series.
1. Drop the twins and just use Osha.
2. Keep the dark past and something terrible in her childhood. She fails and either leaves or is jedi mind tricked into leaving the order.
3. We can still have the 4 jedi, and one goes down in an epic fight. (We dont see who the killer is), but it's clearly a force user.
4. Qimir kiddnaps osha while the murders are happening and tries to pin it on the ex padawan (while secretly bringing her to the darkside for training (connecting the dark past)
5. Sol and Jakki are ordered to track down this dark side user.
6. Another jedi is murdered and Sol links this to the event that happened in the past and tries to track down Osha... who at this time is being corrupted.
7. Dive into the good of this episode...
8. Have the Kofar combat at the end, and reveal Osha has been manipulated and misled. The dark side user still kills everyone but is betrayed by Osha and is slain.
There is a potentially good show here, but the execution and "way" the story is being told and atrocious, and we could have gotten so much more. Just some food for thought! Thanks for fighting the good fight!
Maybe a "Millenium" in coruscant time frame is only 100 years?
It’s like “parsec” being a unit of time instead distance
I've been thinking that the show writers thought millenium was 100 years since we first saw Ki-Adi-Mundi.. just doubling down to hide their mistakes
18:30 "I was once a Jedi!"
"Really?! Who was your master?"
When someone says something suspicious or ambivalent - like they're deliberately trying to be vague - you don't "play along" with an equally vague or meaningless statement like "I've never heard of you" - which can, after all, be easily deflected with another vague statement like "It was VERY long ago." Instead, you immediately cut to the chase and follow up with something that can't be so easily deflected. Something definite and concrete. Or even something deceptive like, "That's right! I remember hearing the story about a Jedi who quit the order - a VERY long time ago. His master was - what was the name again? It's on the tip of my tongue!"
The biggest problem with the Acolyte is that it's like someone wrote a few really cool ideas on a piece of notebook paper then handed it over to their intern to fill in the blanks.
Just so many little easy continuity things that are so poorly done.
As far as Qimir, I don't think he's looking for companionship. To me he seems to be an apprentice looking for help and a shortcut to overthrowing their master.
There is a whole planet of Sith in the Expanded Universe, where Ben Skywalker befriends Vestara Khai. She has a sentient Sith "Ship", and the whole planet full of Sith Lord's and Ladies try to attack Corrisant. Ben and Vestara try to get along, but her brutal self interest motivations are contrary to Jedi codes of conduct.
This series is so frikin bad ! I really don’t know what is happening and I’m not invested in anyone! Like there’s no direction, 200 million dollars!!!! It could end now and I couldn’t care less! Love you Thor & Naboo
Mundi is either a bad guy or he covered up this incident and lied to the council. Or the writers made a mistake and forgot about his statement, in the movie, about the Sith.
Sadly, it’s the former😔
I think the twins are mirrors of each other in the episode. Mae is on the dark side and Sol wants to draw her towards the light. Osha is on the light side and Qimir wants to draw her towards the dark. Mae (who just wants revenge according to Qimir) is deciding if she will try to kill Sol or not, and when. Osha is contemplating killing Qimir. It's possible Sol knew it was Mae the entire time but was taking the opportunity to try to reach her while she's impersonating her sister. This mirrors how Qimir knows Osha's identity. Sol then is lying to Mae so that he can tell her the truth, while Qimir is telling Osha the truth so he can lie to her (as ultimately the light side is truthful and the dark side is dishonest). Qimir doesn't try to tie Osha up, presents himself as at her mercy, and says she is free to go - ultimately so he can bind her to him and the dark side. Sol restrains Mae and will not let her go to force her to listen to him - ultimately to free her of corruption that came from misconceptions.
I think when it comes down to it both Osha and Mae are conflicted people because of what happened when the were children with the witches - it's just the show hasn't told the audience everything about what happened to them which makes it difficult to understand them in the present. Although I think the show needed a bit better character building.
I think it's true Mae wants revenge. She's angry at the Jedi who came to the coven, she blames them for losing everything. But when she realized her sister was alive she started to hope that maybe they could start over together. But then Osha rejected her, and meanwhile Qimir is trying to kill her for turning on him, so all she has left is to go with Sol. And she's ambivalent about killing him - perhaps the warmth he shows her while treating her like Osha confuses her because it doesn't match how she sees the Jedi. Osha is confused by Qimir as well because he has made himself vulnerable to her, not tried to hurt her, offered her freedom, and provided nourishment. It doesn't compute with his violence from before.
I think the temptation offered by both Sol to Mae and Qimir to Osha is the opportunity to heal by reaching the part of themselves they have buried.
Asking Ryan Johnson for advice on Star Wars tells you all you need to know 🤦🏽♂️
I had high expectations for this show…oh well
I've become so apathetic toward Star Wars, that I don't even care about keeping up with the ongoings of each episode. I'm pretty much only here to support Thor and have it playing in the background while I do other things to prep for my July 4th party tonight.
Happy 4th everyone, wake up tomorrow with all your fingers in tact 🎉
"It's a sensory deprivation tool." *has* *eye* *slits*
"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything." -Tyler Durden
His name was Robert Paulson
He was saying thanks for saving me Mae, 16 years ago. Now I’m going to confess to the high council.
That’s what it really meant!
I believe she wanted to get the truth out of Sol before killing him.
Also try to understand why her sister thinks so highly of him.
“We’re the back to probably acho-tu” lol
I suspect Sol knew Qimir would take Osha, and when Mae attempted to contact Qimir, which he also expected, he tracked the destination of the transmission. Sol likely suspects that only He and the twins could potentially bring Qimir back alive or he may end up tapping into the darkside to kill him and/or have Vanestra clean it up at the end.
The fundamental problem with there being a scad of Sith (Venestra is probably not a Sith) is that in the end the Sith still have to be hidden before the Prequels. There’s going to be some twist that puts everything back to business as usual.
Initially I thought they would drop it all on Sol, but even that would be problematic.
That red dust (maybe spice?) will somehow have compromised the force abilities of the Jedi and that cheap trick will be used to rationalize away Qimir killing all those people. Qimir may escape, but that will probably be when Tenebrous shows up to tracking him down and kill him.
Of course Sol knew it was Mae all along. He even asks her about what happened to Osha because he cares. But Sol doesn't want to make the same mistake again that he did on the witches' planets so he's rushing to Corruscant so that he will be able to let the Jedi Counsil in the know this time. And he is going to hand in Mae as evidence. He saw everyone in his team slaughtered so he's not gonna give the dark side user the chance to kill him and leave every stone untouched. It all makes perfectly sense.
Darth Smilo: "I killed your friends and turned your sister into a murder because... I want an acolyte."
4:55 im pretty sure everyone at disney thought 100 years was a millennium and that they were honoring this line by making it into a show
The other thing I find interesting which no one is talking about or theorizing about is how Qimir says he was trained as a Jedi a long long time ago. He's so young looking but i wonder if hes actually really old and has somehow found a fountain of youth on that planet he's hiding in. That spring he bathes in, perhaps?
Vernestra is apparently 100+ years old in this show? Her species ages slowly.
So, if Qimir is actually a geriatric, I wonder how that ties in with Sol ("you seem very familiar") from episode 5?
Tenebrous is coming with his red lightning. Dark Side red lightening could also make those marks.
I hope we're not getting a Knights of Ren origin story.
We’re probably gonna get a vague one
Disney doesn’t want to officially tie everything with their sequels because they know that fans that hate the sequels still watch their content with a selective head canon and they need people to maintain their Disney plus memberships
I'm still laughing that Headland took the whole "seduction" to the dark side literally.
I think it's pretty simple and weak plot. The green lady is a bad jedi and she punished smiley Ren. He was her former master. Green lady will pin everything on Sol so the jedi will always think it was a rogue jedi. She will kill Sol. The wins story is dumb and irrelevant.
It would be such a massive departure from the books for Vernestra to be evil.
HI Thor I have a question do you have an issue with legends showing the jedi being responsible for the first jedi civil war and thus the creation of the sith order given that you believe that the jedi should be blamed for the sith Order being made