What Does It Take To Be World First Raider In WoW?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Is WoW Race To World First An Esport?
As a combination of raiding, speed running, and a whole lot of spreadsheets, World of Warcraft's Race to World First has developed into a competitive online event unlike any other.
This is the story of Blizzard's greatest untapped esport, WoW Race To World First.
The Marathon of Esports - Rise of WoW Race To World First
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Do you see other esports organizations following the steps of Team Liquid and picking up WoW raiding teams?
Golden Guardians has a WoW pvp squad
Im waiting for that spark to be ignited in FFXIV's scene.
I feel like this has less in common with a traditionally popular sport like baseball or soccer, and is more akin to something like formula 1 or even Olympic marathons. Most of the victories are earned outside of the track/event itself - reaching the finish line is not a sudden burst of superior skill but instead the culmination of days worth of effort and research.. I have never played WoW before but I could see myself checking every morning to see how teams/guilds are performing.
I mean you can say that about every sport. You need practice to win
@@letsmakeit110 I didn't know chess worked like that at high level. That's crazy.
The most similar sport with the same cost, and ambition is regatta boat races. Wealthy benefactors paying for expert crews to pursue the sport 24/7.
I remember when "world first" gave server wide announcements and the achievement. Good times
It still does
This game sounds like an enginering competition where everyone has to plan it and then exicute it in the fastest way
It's starting to look like it . Blizzard usually overtune the last few bosses to slowdown progress as long as possible , but with the new raid , RWF players are already having a hard time at the 7th boss ( 7/11).
@@timjack4650 lol, yeah that has the 7th highest pull count of all time.
It'd be neat to see a video like this for Destiny 2, especially with Bungie starting to give Worlds First belts.
bungie's always given out belts for worlds 1st's
@@log6n Not in 2014. they only started giving them out like 2 years ago, but they did do it retroactivly, so the people that got worlds 1st D1 VOG still got a belt and so on
Unfortunately, the vast majority of the gaming world doesn’t give a shit about destiny. Not a large enough player base to be considered in eSports. D1 was though, because it was one of the the biggest games of its time, but not D2. Maybe one day.
@@jjmah7 I fail to see how thats possible since it was the 2nd most watched game on all of Twitch last weekend for the Raid Race.
@@jjmah7 i mean the game just also isn't competitive and bungie clearly doesn't give a shit about making the game that way
With the mention of worlds first, its also interesting to note that destiny 2 also has this race to be the first one to beat the new raid. No prize pools per se, but a raid belt and the sheer amount of clout u gain by being the first for the new expansion is awesome
High quality production as always!
Much appreciated!
At least we’ve finally got an update on overwatch 2
Today is a good day.
It’s funny just how fucking *MAD* Sylvannas looks in the thumbnail.
After Eternity's End who wouldn't be as mad as her?
@@aszher fair.
I didn’t expect you guys to cover WoW raiding
i may have just watched a 20 minute video about a game I've never particularly liked. yet I enjoyed every second of it. only akshon can do that to me :')
Same
Ngl ive always loved the wow raiding scene. It just seems so cool being part of a machine and defeating a huge dungeon like that.
I think video games are an excellent reason why there are so many people wanting to get into programming and coding. Because in a world first race if you are able to create a program that trivializes a hard challenge in the video game then you increase your shot of becoming the victor. Likewise programs have so many other uses for QOL features, most of which are usually highlighted to players for the first time in video games.
While I'm sure you said it just to make it a better story. I'm pretty sure Limit's Maximum made himself the 21st man in the previous raid to the one you mentioned, Eternal Palace, which Method still won. Method's raidleader Scripe even acknowledged it was the future and stated immediately after the race that it was highly likely to be the last raid he would feature in as a player. He now is their external raid leader (21st man).
Man, i used to do this with my guild over 20 years ago in Everquest =) Good to see it gaining more widespread attention, raiding rulez!
Phenomenal video as always!
Thank you!
I'm not active wow player but what i understand is "team base speed running endurance race"
it can be a whole new genres in espot
Thanks for the vid
I thought when they beat the Raid ultra boss, they were gonna scream LEEROY JENKINS!!!
good job guys
Bruh
Very cool thanks!
Hey Akshon eSports, I'm really curious if you'll touch on For Honor again.
Right now, the community is going through a HUGE conflict over whether or not the game is suitable to be competitive. There's actually arguments happening regularly and a huge push for the game to go casual and give up on competition, to the point where there's an active stigma and overwhelming hate between most casual players for competitive players.
It's crazy, and I think it'd be worth covering.
They should get a food company to sponsor WoW race teams. During the match, the coach could eat the sponsors food on the stream.
Liquid is sponsored by Jersey mikes
Make a video about this for Destiny 2!
Can not wait for Dragonflight race.
I think the grassroots aspect is what makes it so special. It's unofficial and everyone can participate.
" It's unofficial and everyone can participate."
Absolutely not lol. Only the people with enough money to stop working for 3 months even have a shot.
Much like blizzard, akshon didn't even mention hearthstone esports
I feel like you guys should a video about destiny day one raids love to see ya guys cover it
I am actually kinda impressed at the production levels taken for the World First raiding in WoW. It's quite spectacular to see.
As a FFXIV player who does not do world first raiding but can play and clear a lot of the content, it's interesting to see the world first dynamic on another MMO. FFXIV will never really get to that level of viewership on it's Savage content since that World First race is generally done in 24hrs, but the Ultimate tier content is usually a one week affair - so it may be eligible for that level of - for lack of better words - hype.
I know some WoW players have started to try World First raiding on FFXIV and have been successful at doing week 1 clears but aren't at the same tier as the current World First raiders of FFXIV. I am now curious if they plan to continue that trend into the Ultimate tier that is coming out in April. I guess time will tell.
I like the dynamic of WoW enabling the "21st player" as that was something that happened on FFXIV as well - where the world first raid team was actually a 8-player team with two support players who coached and assisted the the actual raiders with out of game support. It makes me wonder which game's raid community came up with the idea first now. May need to do some history hunting for that.
I haven't done any WoW raiding since the days of BC, so the raids in WoW look really crazy compared to that. It's kinda eye opening.
As always, thank you for the content :)
6:56 was actually clutch
Scripe (the raider/leader) invented being a general 🤭
U should do a destiny video next since it also has a worlds first race that bungie capitalized on ever since last wish and a new controversy came out with the new race
you think theyre notorious about mishandling their esports scene, wait til you hear about their work place culture.
@1:25 dude shat himself lmao
amazing video
This is also big with Destiny and its raids too
I feel like Speedruning Should be a more common esport. Especially with open world titles. It could be
Bingo boards (See Smallant)
Specific challenges (See amazing chest)
or just flat out head to head races.
This is especially true in communities where players will purposefully handicap themselves like Pokemon and my own favorite franchise, dark souls
the potential that speedrunning has in esports is second to none. Plus imagine a community where its literally impossible for toxicity to sprout AND you can learn and get into it on your own pace without having to worry about your internet, location, if you have a mic, or anything.
Please explain
Bingo boards in speedruns?
@@Ramsey276one Smallant popularized using bingo boards in speedruns to determine a true test of skill and knowledge and not just mastery of a preset route. He and others have created a randomized bingo board of tasks that need to be completed for a bingo as a race to determine who is truly better. Its not a measurement of who knows the same route better or have practiced the same run more, but instead how much they know and how they can path at the drop of a hat to figure out the best route as fast as possible. Minecraft, super mario oddessy, and breath of the wild are all games he has done bingo in.
@@damiandusk9187 thanks!
Any links for those boards?
@@Ramsey276one Nope, I just watch, but I dont know anything else about it
@@damiandusk9187 I'll figure it out
XD
The only reason they haven't put it on is because they don't know how to make it work. They jumped the gun with MDI Mythic+ even tho they had RWF for years. One of the couple of organic competitions that Blizzard games ever had (since they "forced" esports on the last 3 esports they published (HotS, Overwatch, hearthstone)).
They know they can't make it possible to market something like RWF like other esports that are just teams of 5 (we are talking about guilds with 40 ppl in) so they just don't touch it.
BUT, not only they don't touch it, but they make it worse. HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLE for a race to world first not have everyone start at the SAME TIME ? Some regions don't even start on the same day. Disgusting that a competition like that struggles to exist, from developers that cater the game 100% on raiding for the absolute 1% on mythic (with restrictions and all) to be so absolute idiots and don't give them a fair competition. But what can someone expect from blizzard.
Can you make a video about Pokemon VGC
The best Blizzard eSports don't involve Blizzard.
I love watching destiny raid races
I have no idea why you think this is different then speedrunning, this is exactly what high level speedrunning IS
You don't speed run something you do first time.
@@Swordart2022 every time we get new games people figure out the first speedruns, develop strats etc. this is exactly the same. In speedrunning you call it routing. Till we finallyget the first runs.
Besides they also do the bosses many times to finally beat them. The< do not beat them first time either.
@@daftwulli6145 Because trying to get the fastest time is different from being the first person to do something?
@@_d0ser Not really, they use the exact same strats etc. what my original comment is about.
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Any anteaters error codes on WOW ?? Asking for a friend
What Activision needs to do is just gather the top 3 in the communities, license this out to them or even fund them, and let them run themselves. Just ask them for a cut of the profits. Then it will really be by gamers for gamers. Otherwise, we all know how corporate greed takes such initiatives down the wrong paths.
7:30 excuse meWUT
*WAT*
O_o
Sorry total noob on WOW. isn't the race not balanced since equips are not same and some would have total advantage over others?
You ever think this is going to far?
I see alot of destiny 2 comments since they just had a world's first for their raid for the witch queen expansion the Raids for destiny 2 are shorter (if you know what your doing maybe 2:30 to 4 hours but worlds first could take 10 hours )and this last one in particular was filled with technical issues but they Def have alot of same spirt of these ones and I'm sure bungie looks to them for inspiration
So like when is the Destiny 2 Video
Isn’t no rules a rule in and of itself? Personally I like it
Hi
the dumbest thing they ever did to that game.
Raid Racing is more of an esport than that apex legends garbage
wow wow wow blizzard never own calf of duty its activision blizzard who own it
It’s all Microsoft nowadays
I love the race to world 1st but I don't think that its should be Blizz priority with WOW right now.
There's just a lot more thing that is broken with WOW right now that should take precedence.
To me it is like speed-running where addons are like glitches. They may look like cheating, but are hard to execute in a race so they end up adding to the skills needed to perform at top level instead of lowering them Also, since it is a team endeavor in the first place, having a out-of-game raid leader and addon makers is just the natural progression of it. As far as rules go, I believe it should remain free of them as long as it can (besides the rules already set in place by Blizzard concerning exploits). There are too many eyes on it now to be cheated in my opinion.
No offense, but if one of the required preparations is to make sure that nothing in real life interacts/interferes with you for 1-2 week, than maybe that esport shouldn't exist .
why though
Thats a silly take. Its not different from any week long sporting event.
@@SwayNoir There is literally not a single sporting event that has a competitor playing/competing constantly for 7 days. I dont think there is even one that requires constantly competing for even 1-2 days. In most sport events the teams/players have one 1- 3 hours match per day(and normally not even that everyday) and even in something like f. e. these week long car races the drivers are in teams and (by the rules) are required to change after a certain amount of time (normally ~8 hours).
I don't think you understand how insane the shit they say in the video is!
To become an Esport you need :
Fans, money and players.
Fans:
Watching PVE raiding rn is...a slog. A 20 h raid necessarily means that even its fans don't watch the whole thing. Most would tune out and only watch the results and the highlight reels because they need to work.
And since there's no interaction with their direct competition, there's no direct rivalry or human interest stories. Verdict: can be improved.
Money: Money is easy to obtain once investors are assured of a return on investment. From a business standpoint there's several factors that limit its profitability. 20men rosters are monstrously expensive on an e-sport salary. The fact that most viewers won't watch the whole thing but only tune in for the winning game means that your ads are 99% useless. You can solve this by placing your brand constantly on the screen like in F1 or football but the players in-game screen is already full of DMG tables and spreadsheets which are already limiting the spectacle factor. They could maybe do like motor sports who are more about showcasing the carmaker's engineering ability and potentially involve the American Army showcasing their strategy??? Or maybe not. They'd rather have more realistic scenarios. Finally there's the issue of security. And whenever your opponents know exactly what you're doing the only way to compete is skill and ressources and since we already rules out skill then anybody with a bigger paycheck could swoop in and pay their way to the top. Verdict: problematic in current format.
Players: we already said that dedicating 16h per day is unhealthy. We already said that much of WOW is RNG and Pay to Win. These are terrible for a pro player but not deal breakers. We already said that the most important player doesn't play the game... because he's not distracted by the game. This means that Blizzard is less interested in sponsoring it. But that also means that players could be replaced by remote controlled bots directly controlled by the general... essentially turning it into SC2. Now this would actually get Harvard, MIT, Google, IBM and Huawei frothing and I could totally see a team of coders racing to see who could replace humans faster and showcase their coding, software and hardware skills behind a single very well paid General. Heck, the absence of rules, the America centric advantage of first release, the heavy use of automated scripts, the ungodly mind numbing repetitive hours would all be advantageous for machines. And it would be fun to see a man Vs machine event.
Verdict: Terrible for players, amazing for machines
Biggest WTF here is Asmongold & he's not even playing WoW. LMAO!
Great video as always, but I really dislike worlds first as an esport. It's a timegated competition that only a select few can partake in competitively and it incentivises an extremely unhealthy amount of screentime for days on end. I do like the idea of raiding as an esport, but I really don't support this format becoming more mainstream.
Agreed.
It encourages people to nolife way too hard.
EVERYTHING IN MODERATION
*Play Smart*
WoW is crap when it comes to PvE. Even the PvP is bad. The combat system is simply utter shit.
It can however become eSport since LoL, Dota etc. became an eSport too because they don't need real skills like movement, aiming, reflexes.
Easy games become eSports. Competitive video games pretty much never become eSports.
This is the dumbest gatekeeping I've heard in years. FPS, fighting games are all e-sports, they require "real skills like movement, aiming, reflexes." Stop embarrassing actual PVP players with such nonsense
@@ksng767 It is how i said it is. Period.
@@O.M.E.G.A First E-sport in the world, Starcraft, next CSGO, just both of these are 2 of the hardest games ever made.
What you really should be saying is that the games you play are so unpopular that there's not enough people playing them to become an E-Sport. If you want to be real, at least be honest and not make shit up.
@@ksng767 These two games you mentioned are not hard. CS rquires skill but starcraft is piss easy. You don't seem to understand gaming so please don't talk to me anymore.
I never found world firsts in WoW to be very impressive/notable.
No offense, but any crew with enough money not to work day jobs for 3-6 months can do it.
"Not work day jobs for 3-6 months." It goes much faster than that though. It's skill.
@@_d0ser the 3-6 months includes the time it takes to learn to become a pro mmo player (assuming the person starts with average gamer skills)
One of the (many, MANY) problems WoW has right now is that Blizzard has tried to turn everything into a competition, from dungeons to pvp to see who can clear a raid first, which I've always seen as kind of ridiculous and forced for an MMO. Since many players see this as ultra competitive content, it breeds toxicity, elitism, and a bunch of other problems too long to detail here. The game has dumb RNG drops, timegated progression, unbalanced and not equalized pvp, you can buy content carries with real money sold by Blizzard itself in the form of a token making the game effectively pay to win. These are just some examples that, in my opinion, makes WoW unfit to be considered a healthy (or even viable) esport. You could even turn solitaire into an esport if you want, but should you? And let's not get into the mess of a story it has, it's just not a very good product anymore.
in 17 years of playing wow, I have never met a single individual that I was aware was passionate about the race to world first. I remember caring about ranking across the server but never anybody caring about who was first in the world outside of a neat footnote.
No…. This has like 0 appeal to wider audience
The real question is:
If they're already using scripts,
in a low skill sport, where humans are failing because they're not designed to play repetitive tasks for long hours and the environment is uniform and predictable...
Why aren't they using Bots instead of players?
it breaks human interest, (the real reward is viewership, not the actual first kill)
WoW E - Sports outside of Arena wont take off cause of Add-ons. The average person watching the raid they wouldnt be able to sit back and enjoy what is happening. And it gets way more confusing when top players have their own custom add-ons that the average person wouldnt be able to download from a 3rd Party Site. The barrier to entry is way to high for WoW and the pay off isnt worth it nor exciting to even watch.
Lul this is not competitive at all
I love blizzard games !!