Virtual Shifting Arrives on the KICKR // Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One Review
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Virtual shifting within Zwift arrives today on the Wahoo KICKR CORE! Zwift are also updating their 'ONE' bundle trainer from their Zwift HUB to the Kickr CORE, in turn retiring the Zwift HUB from their line-up. This video dives into all the details and puts the Kickr CORE Zwift ONE to the the ultimate indoor test - The Lama Lab Test Protocol!
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Video Index:
0:00 Intro
0:30 Kickr CORE Firmware Update
1:01 Kickr CORE Zwift ONE Bundle
1:38 Technical Specifications
3:11 Virtual Shifting For Kickr CORE Owners
3:29 Zwift Virtual Shifting
3:46 Sound Check
4:13 Ride Experience
5:31 Data Analisys - Lama Lab Test
11:15 Wrap-Up
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The Kickr Core continues to be an amazingly solid investment in my cycling. Kudos to Wahoo.
Lol until you come across them making your model obsolete and don't offer freehubs because your trainer is from 2017 and works exactly the same as the newesr edition.. Fuck wahoo
I thought the same, until I wanted to use it this winter season and the speed/power data coming from it was not good... Wahoo was able to send me a free replacement unit, even though it was out of warranty, but I did have to wait a total of 5 weeks to get it replaced, with some very slow responses from customer support. I still believe they are one of the best indoor trainers
@@mihaiturdean5757 products are good.. But your trainer will be obsolete in a few years and expect no help.. The 2024 kickr has almost no improvements compared to mine, I already have a rocker plate.. Apart form quicker data tranfer is the same shit, i also dont take racing too serious so mo point to ever upgrade. But no support for me any longer.. Sorry for being an early adopter lol
@@mihaiturdean5757That’s bad. Mine was replaced in 4 days including mine going to them first.
@@BikesKomsCRO
Genuine question, how does your trainer become "obsolete"?
I have the Zwift Hub One and is really good as well. However one thing I think Zwift really need to look at is making the Zwift click a rechargeable device instead of having to change the battery as those little screws are a nightmare and over time degrade no matter how well protected. A small upgrade for a big benefit.
Just tried it. Virtual shifting is brilliant!
Tons of great news! Thanks Shane! Excited to see some of the lama labs science division findings on other units with the new toys.
Thanks Shane. Just upgraded the firmware on my SO's Kickr Core and got the virtual shifting working with her Zwift Play controllers. Super easy. I'll be sure to let her know about the 1000 watt sprint thing 😀
Great news Shane! Thank you for the extensive analysis.
Thanks for this Shane. Btw, loved your kid's cameo on the end :)
Was going to comment that as well as human children are better behaved than fur covered ones.
I know they won't do it since they want you to buy an actual product with your money but it should be a shortcut to use since it's literally just up and down. That way we could use virtual shifting however we choose.
e.g. keyboard, other game controllers, zwift companion touch button on a screen.
You weren’t lying! You said soon and it really is soon!
I was pleasantly surprised after the update arrived, that's quite an improvement and very rare after such a long lifespan of a product.
Virtual shifting and Climbing gradient adjustment best of both worlds! Got my Zwift hub One about 5 months ago so missed out on that but I'm sure there are others who will enjoy that.
I already ordered, and then saw this video! I had been holding off to get the cog and click, and the wait was rewarded!
Zwift's site is stating that the Cog doesn't work on the Kickr Core...I don't know why it wouldn't...Maybe they're just saying that you need the Play because it costs slightly more money...?????
@@richardpiotrowski1043 Probably because you need a chain whip and a cassette tool to remove the built-in freewheel
I'm looking forward to future news for the Kickr. I am (physically) geared very low, and could use some help on negative (downhill) grades.
Amazing review as always. Looking forward to trying this myself.
Considering that the rest of the cycling world continues to give us the same or less for more $, this is incredibly welcome IMO. Everything about this solution feels "fair".
Love the cameo appearance of your stagiaire at the end!
The most bizarre thing happened last night. You gave me kudos on Strava for one of my rides. When I opened youtube to watch The Wrap Show later that night, this video appeared on my suggested videos page haha. I was like, where do I know this name from and then it dawned on me. Great vid by the way, I'm thinking of switching to this from my TacX Flux S.
I never clicked on a notification so fast.
Finaly :-) Just spun up Zwift and it directly asked me if I would like to activate virtual shifting. Oh boy, yesssss I want.
Do you need to have the Zwift Play controller for it?
@@stizz19 You need either the Zwift Play Controlers or the Zwift Click that comes with the Zwift Cog
Bring that 10Hz race mode!
Did the update today on my Kickr Core. The release notes on the screen shown during the firmware update in the app now mention the zwift shifting feature.
Gudday Max! They grow SO quickly...😂
Can't wait for the cog to be available in Australia 🙏
Wish they would make something like that for the Neo 2T
Thank you for this amazing news
You bet Cartwheel! (Says me making up a call sign for you 😉)
Pricing in Canada is $940 CAD - big premium over the US pricing.
Some pretty impressive watts on the sprint there! Maybe you need to give us a training video.
In Canada, finally! That said I hope to be off the trainer and outside again by late March :-)
🫎👌🏼
@@gplamaThe only problem is that it appears you will need to buy an entire bundle if you want the virtual gearing. Existing CORE owners won't be able to purchase the Zwift Cog & Click separately (or so it appears that way on the Wahoo website as they are not listed).
Sweet!
Hope this bring this this to the kickr. Have a kickr 4. Hoping wahoo updates it to 1% so not force to buy the 5 or 6 model when it is out my budget now.
Man you guys have beautiful roads out in Australia
Finally complete Campagnolo compatibility!
Now when will it be fully compatible with WahooX?
Go Dad!
Just happen to have a spare Kick v4 due for servicing and bearing replacement. Might be a project for a full conversion.Fingers crossed it's not just v5/6 if this goes to the Kickr as well.
Can I ask do you do that servicing yourself? Or do you take it somewhere?
@@Alwaysunderablanket Would do it myself. The mechanism isn't that complex. Just a flywheel on a 2 bearing spindle and a tensioned belt. Have replaced a belt before when it jumped a notch and started rubbing. v4 had a bit of a design flaw on the belt tensioner. Bearings are standard 6003-2RS. Available online. YT video on the whole process available somewhere.
Soooo many questions 😂
For starters, is there a possibility that this is reflected (and is usable) in Wahoo Systm X ?
Also, when for the Kickr V5-V6 😉
also have the Zwift hub, very happy, very quite. purchased the Zwift single gear sprocket with the plastic shroud, but had to return it and go back to a cassette. The shroud seemed to amplify the sound.
There's a few tricks to help with that. The best being to use a cassette.
Hi Shane, hoping this comes out for the kickr V5 soon, I’ve been holding off on the play controls but using those for shifting might be the tipping point to getting them and finally trying steering -- just want the route badge really 😂
It will be. I’ll have the details here when finalised/announced.
@@gplamaprobably stupid question, will this work on other platforms? Ie rouvy?
Amazing it will be available… will buy the zwift play kit (£99!!)… hope you’re right :)
@@clrmajor
I think you answered your own question.
@clrmajor Eventually, they will allow other platforms to support the virtual shifting, but that can easily be a year from now because they want their product to have a competitive edge.
Max! 😂 So funny. Also, auto cal for the Core. Finally. Some auto verification for some of those monsters out there who never spindown their units...
Right my question is about my KICKR and virtual shifting...I have a 2017 variant so yes to Climb support but no to 10Hz race mode(that I'm aware of). Will it come to my KICKR?
Woohoo 🎉
I mean Wahooo!!
Great video as always, but I couldn't help but notice the chainset change from Dura-Ace 9200 to..... ? Rotor? At the end. Future video? Am I on to a leak? 😂
SRM PM9 with a Look crank on the bike at the end.
Hey Shane thanks for the onTime News an Test Results! I'm looking to purchase the cog+klick or the play to pare with my kickr core. Would you invest in the cog or the play?..im just using it with one bike and i dont want to mess with my manuell shifiting anymore.
Any noticeable difference using the Kickr Core with Zwift Cog/Click upgrade versus cassette with Zwift play controllers for virtual shifting?
Do you know whether the Zwift Click will be available WITHOUT the cog for those of us happy to use the full drive train?
Will we be able to buy just the Click without the Cog? I already have the Play controllers but would like to add the Click on the top bar somewhere.
Would love other applications like Rouvy using virtual shifting.
Bit frustrating since i've only recently just got the zwift hub one ...hopefully firmware updates / support will be around for a while to come
Have you done a test comparison of Zwift Hub + Zwift One (product which I purchased late 2023 😅) vs Kickr Core + Zwift One? This would be interesting to see how they both compare with the Watt tests you ran if you did the same workout with both
I’ve covered this detail in each of my videos on these products. The Cog is simply a 14T sprocket, so nothing really changes in regard to accuracy. There will be some minor differences due to the flywheel speed being locked to cadence with virtual shifting… but that’s getting deep into the rabbit hole that’ll send people to sleep.
I'm still curious why there are no bundles with the play controller instead of the click?
I'm a wahoo systm user mainly but like zwift as extra. I see it working with erg on zwift, gear changing etc what about the other way? Will the set-up and erg work with wahoo systm interval sessions? Wouldn't want to have keep swapping cassette for hub.
Aggh I was about to pull the trigger on a Zwift Hub One, now this comes out so I want this instead, but I want the 10hz race mode so now I just don't know what to get!!
Elite's turn next I hope
Hello, how can you display avg power during intervals like in 8:25 below current power?
Any idea if firmware updates may be coming to the JetBlack Volt 2 trainer....basically the exact same as Zwift Hub?
I find the Cog One louder than the original 9speed. Seems like the teeth are bigger and therefore produce more noise and the chain might ware off more quickly
I use my Core with a win 11 laptop with an ANT+ dongle. Then an android phone with the companion app for in game ride ons etc. What's the best way to now set this up with the virtual shifting, as I guess ANT+ is now not going to be able to connect to new Zwift click? Should i get rid of the ANT+ and use the Bluetooth on the laptop, or use the companion app? Does the phone then need to be connected to the laptop by Bluetooth also? Thanks
Hey Shane, do you have any comments on the noise levels when running the big ring compared to small ring? Since I am guessing sometimes a higher flywheel speed is beneficial, so was wondering what the noise level would be if in the big ring with the Kickr Cog. Thanks!
Sad that they did not update/support Bridging, especially for ATV4/4K owners
I wanted to buy the Zwift Cog and Click but it does not ship to Canada yet.
Shane, how difficult or easy is it to fit tha Zwift Cog on an existing Wahoo Kickr Core?
Thanks for the heads up, tried it today on the Core - great while it worked but will have to try bridging the trainer and Zwift Play on the Companion app as I kept losing the BT connection. Any tips there - am I right in thinking if you use the app to bridge then all BT connections have to be via the app/phone??? I guess the alternative is a USB extension for the BT as well as the exisiting ANT+ one and get a dongle near the trainer and Play?
To answer my own questions - yes, if you use the Companion app to bridge, all BT connections have to be through it. The longer answer was to reposition my router, so as not to "cross the streams" of WiFi and BT (Zwiftalizer have a good vid on this) , to ditch the Companion app as a bridge (was horrible with drops every 10 seconds!) and use the laptop BT for Zwift Play and trainer (necessary for both and for virtual shifting) and connect the power meter/cadence and HRM on ANT+ as normal for me. This resulted in just one, brief drop of virtual gearing around the hour mark of a Pace Partner ride. Suggests my best option for something rock solid would be a BT dongle on an extension cable somewhere between the Play and the trainer, disable the laptop BT to prevent interference and continue using ANT+ with an existing USB extension for everything that doesn't have to be BT (i.e. the Zwift Play and trainer for virtual gearing to work has to be on BT). Simples!
Is the Zwift cog sprocket more durable as I suspect leaving h it in a 14t from a normal cassette will wear it down?
I have. a Kickr Move with a Kickr Climb and I'd like to egt virtual shifter - hoping wahoo extend it to these models as well.
It seems like this would be a simple firmware upgrade in the future. A no-brainer, since Wahoo has no stake in what shifting system used. The faster they are able to do this the better from the standpoint of competitive advantage in the market place.
DC Rainmaker says that Virtual Shifting for main Kickr's is coming. No firm date or which models it will cover, but I'd guess your Move and V6 for sure.
I hope they can make the Zwift Cog/Click system compatible with TACX Neo. Oh and also start shipping to Australia
I wouldn't be holding out for it. Unless Garmin can give an indication it's on the cards...
Hey Shane, would you recommend adding the zwift cog to my set up if most of the riding I do is ERG mode workouts? I usually just ride 3rd cog of my 11-speed cassette to keep the chain line straight. Seems like it would avoid uneven wearing of cassettes.
I wouldn’t worry about it if you’re only doing ERG.
Just to confirm. If you have an existing Kickr Core and you do a firmware update you'll now get auto calibration? Meaning no more fortnightly manual calibration required? Thanks!
Yep!
Since the update I am experiencing serious issues with ERG Mode overshooting for 10-15 seconds after changes in intensity.
For example when doing 40/20 Intervals at 430 / 210 Watts, the first 10 seconds the kickr ramps up to 480.
I was wondering if anyone is experiencing similar issues?
Why not keeping big Ring also in no Sprints?
Wow, this is great news. I expected it eventually but not this soon. Has Wahoo announced whether they'll give recent Core buyers a discounted or even free upgrade to the One hub and controller if they bought one within that past 30-90 days or so, since if they had waited they'd have gotten it included for the same price? I'm in this category as I got mine less than a month ago. In fact I'm still within the Amazon return window so in theory I could return it for full refund and buy this version, but I'd rather avoid the hassle.
One for Wahoo Support
Hope if the core can get this update the v4/2018 model can get these updates too
Kickr v4 / 2018 is on the list. Soon...ish on that one.
Does it matter what chain ring you are in?
they need to pair it to di2. too many buttons to keep track of now and keeping the batteries charged. I wish there was a way to change the trainer difficulty with buttons. would be super super helpful if you are racing and keep getting dropped on the little rollers because other user's power spikes faster. also a good thing would be rolling out more 10htz updates to other trainers. I still think Zwift should fix the drafting affect in game because I keep getting the shake and bake from pro's who have the steering hardware
My brother tried to sprint on this CORE to hit 1200 watts but my Direto XR was like couple hundred watts higher. it was hilarious
I'm amazed at your top end power! So with my Wahoo Kickr (not the core), will I just need the Play and the firmware update?
Yes. When the update is released for the other Kickr trainers.
@@gplama Thanks! I may get an update and one of those 'play' controllers. I seem to be changing gears rather a lot on some rides.
Hey Shane, if I’m using a kickr core with a cassette, do you know the most accurate gear to be in the back? I listened to how sprints in the big ring up front is more accurate, but curious if there’s a difference being in the 11t gear in the back compared to 30t.
Update for anybody looking at this in future m- Shane said in another video be in 14T cog for most accurate.
Do you know if the virtual shifting in the wahoo kicker core will work on other platforms? The one I’d be most interested in personally would be Rouvy.
I think it essentially acts like a Zwift Hub One adapter for your core. I know the Zwift Hub One cannot be used with other platforms and with that logic, I think it is the same with this system, unless a non-platform manufacturer makes something.
Yeah I was wondering the same. Was hoping it would work like a watt bike does but it seems not.
And all of those of us that are stuck with the Jet Black Volt V2 we are still waiting on Jet Black to pull their finger out and release the fabled December 2023 update that would allow us to use virtual shifting finally.
Hey Steve, unfortunatley it is not up to us as far as Virtual shifting goes. Zwift is working with all third party trainer manufactuers on Virtual shifting. It's just a matter of time....when is up to Zwift.
@@murrayhealey1903 Once the Volt supports virtual shifting how will we use it if we are in a country that Zwift won't deliver to? Are JetBlack going to sell a 'click' button for virtual shifting?
@@murrayhealey1903 it’s the Zwift Hub. It’s the same damn trainer. And Zwift firmware already allows it so not sure why you can’t make it happen. Either that or release a firmware patch to allow users to flash their units with the Zwift Hub firmware to not penalize those not in EU/UK/US and have access to the Hub and are being forced to buy the Volt instead.
You would think this would be the easiest integration for Zwift considering they are usingJet Blacks Hardware. Hopefully it’s close as I know this would be of great benefit to lots of people in Australia. Eagerly waiting!
@@gbombos “were” using Jet Blacks hardware.
Just saw DCR article stating the relationship is dead in the water.
“Meanwhile, somewhat snuck under the radar of today’s news of the new Zwift/Wahoo trainer, is that Zwift is officially discontinuing the Zwift Hub. That trainer was launched barely 18 months ago in October 2022, and then revamped in October 2023 with the Zwift Hub One (containing the Zwift Cog). At that point the existing cassette-enabled Zwift Hub got renamed to the Zwift Hub Classic (and promptly discontinued).
As of today, both variants are now officially discontinued, and Zwift will continue to sell off units till stocks are depleted. It’s been on sale the last few weeks with a “till supplies last” note, causing some confusion. Your confusion is now clarified.
This would mark the shortest smart trainer lifespan I’m aware of, a mere 4 months for the Zwift Hub One. Of course, its legacy lives on with the new KICKR CORE Cog, that takes the Cog and Click elements.
This also means that JetBlack and Zwift’s previous manufacturing partners are out of the mix. JetBlack is still making a fan for Zwift, as well as a trainer table. Both of which I’ve been meaning to finish my reviews on. They’re both a good price-value compromise.”
Which means I call BS from Jet Black about future updates and we are basically stuck being told to buy a Kickr Core within the next 2 years before the Volt devices are obsolete. (Probably take them that long to release any firmware updates at their current rate).
You mentioned pairing your Assioma’s to the Core for better accuracy. Can you do that with the Kickr as well and is there any benefit?
I believe so. No real need if the trainer is reporting good numbers / is well calibrated.
Interesting, will this be available to other brands of trainer soon 👀
No word from other manufacturers.
Does it work when pairing the Kickr Core via companion app (to AppleTV)?
Yep.
I’ve just got a kickr core, which I bought second hand. I’m riding on My Whoosh rather than Zwift. Will the upgrade to virtual shifting work ok with that and other riding sims?
Great forum, I’m learning so much.
It’s being managed by the Zwift software so probably not until the other sims support it and if Zwift made it open for them to implement it.
Any hints as to whether a flat bar-compatible set of Play controllers is in the pipeline? For me that seems the best option for converting to virtual shifting.
No word on any other shifting units.
Hi Shane, thanks for the video. I have two questions: 1) when you say it needed a few "spin downs", how did you do this exactely? My understanding is with the firmware update, the spanner option is no longer available to perform a spindown through Zwift. 2) Is your front axle higher than the rear axle with that front wheel holder? I thought the Core's just have the front wheel on the ground to keep it level. Thank you
1) Within the Wahoo App on mobile.
2) I prefer to have the front elevated a little indoors.
@@gplama So do I...when I'm not in the mountains, that's what my Climb is for...
Shane, I know you briefly mentioned the zwift play controllers in the video. do you know if they are generally available for australia yet?
Not yet. I hope they'll sneak in under the Wahoo/FE Sports banner. I'll make some enquiries.
pretty keen to get hold of the cog and controllers as well
I'm still waiting for support for the JetBlack Volt v2. Any news?
No news.
@gplama Did you just insinuate at 03:05 that the Kickr v5 and up will not only get virtual shifting, but will also have race mode (10 Hz) via software update (so without those expensive Direct Connect Dongles)? 🤔😃
I won't just insinuate.... I'll all but confirm there will be support for virtual shifting for other model Kickers. The details about specific Race Mode support will be outlined soon too.
@@gplama I don't know if Santa was a bit late, or if he comes strangely soon this year! 😃
perhaps asked before, but can we use the Zwift play buttons instead of the click for shifting? It says only for ERG mode, but does the click work for free rides and the play buttons don't? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
The Play controllers each have buttons that’ll initiate a virtual shift. (Or change FTP bias setting when in ERG)
So if you have an existing Kickr there will be a firmware update so you can get virtual shifting? I have a V4 so will be interesting to see if that gets the update.
Yes, soon. I’ll have a full list of compatibility when it’s announced.
Now if I could only connect my HRM to my phone since the click maxes out my Apple box.
Maybe someone can explain what the benefit of this new product is. What problem is it trying to solve?
when is gear selection going to show up on screen for the Kickr Bike Shift? Seems easy enough to me. Also It would be great if the buttons on the left shifter did something. I know they raise and lower the Kickr bike, but are useless on the shift.
One for Zwift support. I hope we’ll see more Zwift/Wahoo integration now they’re friends with benefits.
Any insight on if Zwift Play Controllers will be available in NZ, once they are available in Australia?
NZ not mentioned anywhere at this point. It's a short flight. Drop over and grab some! :)
This is great news. So, if I have a Kickr V5 for which news may be following sooner or later, would there be any reason to replace my existing cassette with the cog?
Not necessarily. The virtual shifting works if you use a standard cassette and keep it in the 14T.
The main benefit of the cog is if you want to switch between different bikes that would require different cassettes.
When will it be available (Zwift Cog with virtual shifting) for the normal Kickr and Kickr Move?
Very soon.
Then I will purchase it. Thanks Shane for the very quick answer!!!@@gplama
I wonder if the Wahoo Climb support will now become available for us Zwift Hub One owners
Snowball's chance in Hades would be my guess.
No. The Hub has fixed rear axle mounts.
Bummer.
I have a 3 year Wahoo kickr core that has my cassette on it. Is their a possibility that I may be able to purchase the Zwift hub and shift click to upgrade this unit?
100% yes. This is what you're seeing in this video. A standard Kickr CORE with the Cog/Click upgrade kit. I removed the freehub body the Cog ships on and installed it on the Kickr CORE.
I wonder when zwift will release a cog that works well with AXS chains?
That’d be great.
What about Kickr smart V6? The current and latest version is 4.3. Does the Kickr smart work with Zwift play? thanks
Virtual Shifting is coming to the V4, V5 & V6 Kickr trainers some point down the road, per DC Rainmaker's review.
I understood that it is not possible to compete with this roller?
Interesting front wheel support, good idea. Any particular reason you do that?
It works really well to lock the bike in for all the sprinting I've been doing lately indoors.
I wondered that, I'll have to see if there's half a kickr roller on eBay
Any news on the 2018 Kicker getting auto calibration?
I’ll have a full list and tech details when they’re announced.
@@gplama thanks!