Whats the big difference? we all need to work, why protest and block another man from working? I am a non union ironworker in San diego , CA and make $62 dollars an hour prevailing wage. My dad was in the Ironworkers union for 10 years and left because of all the bullshit politics involved. He started a steel erection company and is now a millionaire. Move up the ladder and work non union instead of being stuck in a union with no room to grow
I have the history of the facts that Unions/men uniting for the common cause of a better life. My proof that Unions are good is in everything around us. Every craftsman that makes a good wage is because Unions, every regulation that keeps you safe on the job is because of unions. Before Unions American companies used People as disposable labor sources, like China does today. If you got hurt you were simply fired.. Is that what you want for America?
That shows the overall ignorance of the general public when it comes to the benefits of union labor. Union all the way dude, keep fighting the assholes who want universal right to work and then there will be no bar set for wages and benefits
I work union and work non union jobs when the union puts me on the books. I bootleg on sundays to union employees and I do side work not letting my union office know about it. Hey!! it's America man. Free to do what I want.
My pops was a 608 carpenter "Chippy Stone" from the 1970s till they closed in the early 2000s and he went to 157 after. But he use to tell me stuff like this would happen all the time.
And I'll ask again, have you ever actually worked a Union job? I would love to see you try to keep up with a crew of Ironworkers or Tank Builders, or Scaffold builder. I doubt you'd last 2 days.
the union shops that are still around learned how to change their company names every few years and get around the stupid labor laws create by dept of labor and the unions,this will never end its been going on for years.i can't stand the idea that i would need to be represented by a union,that makes people lazy,and very comfortable knowing that i don't have to get it done on my own.i have been in the carpenters union for 9 years in the 90`s.i left that to start my own business,i never look back.
carpenters union in south jersey went to shit with the merger. I am a 5th generation union carpenter with 30 years in. Never missed a beat until the economy went to crap. 2 weeks of work a year now...I used to be sent out to non union contractors to show how much better and efficient union labor can be and got every contractor to happily sign with us. With the out of touch asses in control of "our" union giving raises as the contractors could barely keep the lights on drove away long standing good union contractors. Instead of losing my home to foreclosure, eating noodles every other day and getting my electric turned off I went non-union. My "brothers" in the hall could care less they were financially good and so were their buddies. Until they do some major restructuring the unions will end because of greed.
Yeah well as far as the carpenters go when the contractors such as george harms give better benefits and pensions then the union offers well how can the union compete? I can see a big blow out coming with the construction trade unions in jersey and their members. The tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Got hundreds of honest guys not working more then a few weeks a year, but the ass kissers get sent out all the time. You go and try to find your own work because you are starving and are chastised for it. The work is there, but something else is going on. Anyway I think we are at least a couple decades away from this all coming to a head unfortunately so we will just have to wait and see. What a sad situation it is though I hear ya.
What top pay and benefits? no non union company pays well compared to them Just gottah work hard and be committed. The full package is double to triple the amount you'd get from a non union company
I'm going to try and join the union but work hard. Guys I'm just trying to make a living and make money and live my life don't hate me for it. We're all trying to survive in this world here
My great grandfather was a carpenter my grandpa was a carpenter my father was a carpenter now my son don’t want to be a carpenter ( most old school carpenters)
Ok you scab weasels, or union haters, listen up, the states with no unions everyone earns less income, and with union states, the average incomes are much higher, for all types of wage earners, affording a decent home and a way of life, so if you want your state to be like trailer trash then go ahead and let the billionaires sit on their mountains of money and pay you peanuts. When you see someone standing up for a decent way of life, learn your labor history, how do you think we have-or-had a middleclass in this nation?
Just give up. They're idiots. They don't understand meaning in union because they don't work hard enough to compete. They take menial jobs and complain the unions have the better jobs, when in reality, they can't compete in the union marketplace. They'd be gone on the first day. They don't know who brought them the 8 hour workday, overtime pay rates, or the weekend. It must have been those employers who love you so much, right? They're idiots. Let them scab their entire life and bitch about the union guys who work like mules 'til the job is done.
used to build excavators until the factory shut down. that's what happens when non-skilled union forklift drivers are getting $30/hr. you can scream management and ceo's all you want, but it was the union.
I don't have a 401 k. I have a real pension. So while your retirement comes out of your $23/hr the $12hr that goes into my pension doesn't come out of my check, niether does my insurance or annuity. They're also on hours paid, so when my pay is on overtime and double time so are my benefits.
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Now don't forget to "sell" more cards and keep the existing rank & file on the "out-of-work" list!! GO UNION!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this comment strike anybody else as extremely ironic? Bragging about working non-union and making "Prevailing Wage" which is union negotiated. Without unions there would be no "Prevailing Wage". Thank you for that, I needed a good laugh.
@starwars518 i have never been in a union, i got by for thiry years on my own merit. survived several rounds of layoffs, because my bosschose to keep me over less qualifed, not as dedicated individuals. never needed a nanny union, i worked did what was needed not worring about the credit. if i sawsomething thatned to be done, i did it. Unions today have prtty much out lived their usefulness. corporations do not , abuse the employee, bad for business.
@truthadvocate Though Steinbeck's and Sinclair's PERSONAL stories were fiction, both were basing their work off of the real material conditions in which people lived. If non-fiction is what you're seeking read Jacob Riis's book or just look at the immense poverty rates and the class disparity between the rich and the working-class in industrial America before the labor movement. High wages and benefits weren't given generously. Historically they were fought for and won by fierce labor activism
Yes it is odd that Union gets blamed for all the non-union jobs going overseas. Union Boilermakers (and the contractors who employ us) compete directly with non-union all the time. We build and maintain power plants that are owned by coops and private companies not bridges and roads. I worked a job this spring where non-union did the precip work which is much less critical. We were working on the boiler which is the most critical part that takes the most skill.
yea the carpenters union are doing the same thing here in philadelphia and they are always trying to steal every other trades work but then scream when someone does their work....but then they pick fights with other trades and drop otiu of the afl cio..i dont get it....why would u guys want to go in that direction?
@1963danno Anything that requires unskilled labor (because if you're not a carpenter, that's what you are). it sucks, but sometimes you need to adapt or die. When things get better you can be a carpenter again, or maybe you'll get really lucky & learn whole new skill. Being stubborn & stuck in your ways won't put money in your pocket or food on the table.
It comes from the contractor and the Customer which is the power company. But before you go off about us making too much money etc. you need to know this. Union Boilermakers, and the contractors who employ us compete directly with non-union workers/contractors for the same work. We keep work because we work faster & safer than non-union. We have a very good reputation for meeting and beating our deadlines and our reject rate on our pressure welds is extremely low.
Hows your 401K doin buddy? I know a guy who just retired (at age 55) drawin $7,000 a month FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, plus whatever he had in his annuity probably a couple hundred grand. I'm a Union Boilermaker, I work 6-9 months a year and make $50-$100k. My benefit package is worth more than your wage twice as much sometime because I make overtime and double time on my benefits too.
@truthadvocate The problem with your other argument is that there are far more workers than employers. Thus workers don't have that variance of choice to choose among employment. Further, it is much easier for an employer to replace a workforce than it is for a worker to replace an employer. Why? Several reasons. For one mega-employers have access to every corner of the globe, to every population. They have that power to choose whomever will work the cheapest. Power relations are unbalanced
The unions were good for workers back in the day, that's all changed now. It's about the have's and the have not's and not for nothing but I'm a non union carpenter who has been in warranty for 20 years now. I fix union built high-rises and I've never been laid off. Why is that? because union work is so much better? NOT LIKELY! Just because you have a card that says your a carpenter it doesn't make it so. I'm just saying :)
Unions have the most insane expectations and are overpriced when it comes to contracts. I was in the carpenters union 4 and a half years and I built scaffolding. Most of what I heard was bitching and moaning over huge contracts.
Stupid demands like what? In the 70s & 80s my dad and his fellow miners had to fight like hell for $.25 raise every 2 years. And the price of ore was 3 times what I've seen the mines operate on 30 years later. Your outsourcing arguement only works if you assume that only non-union jobs are being outsourced which is totally false. And you must also ignore the free trade policies that started with Reagan that have streamlined the process of shipping our jobs overseas.
@1963danno No, there is nothing else that pays what you're used to. There are plenty of jobs that generally have transitional employees, not the best, but jobs nonetheless. If you turn profit working for yourself, you have work. It probably pays less than you're used to, but that's where the tighten your belt thing comes in. I'd just like to point out if you successfully work as a freelance carpenter when the union can't get hired it means they're hindering job placement.
i don't work my nuts off as i said before, done with that nonsense. i don't throw my money away on diesel pickups, bars or a family either. i'm 27 with a very nice roth (which i set up at 19) and a 401k from a previous employer. watch what you say as to not look like a jackass. i support myself, save my cash, and i will never need unemployment. there will ALWAYS be work in my state until the day i die. i do what i want, when i want, and with money to burn. i'll be dead before i'm old anyway.
@1963danno That's true, but only if you are working at the task you have a skill in. If your skill is not in demand, then you need to tighten your belt & do something else. Remembering that as far as say a garage would be concerned a carpenter is unskilled labor, because the garage doesn't need one. You can avoid by doing work that's dangerous enough they have to pay workers extra, but that's a personal decision & those jobs are also in fairly short supply.
@migraine516 If your labor has value, then why do you need a union? If you can't find a willing buyer for it at the price you like, then it's not as valuable as you think.
My dad worked union, my wife works union, I'm non union and we all get along, my dad asked my wife when she became union what it was like being married to a scab ha ha ha, in this vid I see fighting within it's members what the hell unions can't even get along with themselves, way too much drama for me, no union ratt on site come on my dad would have had it there even though he said it gave the union negative publicity.
"nope not my job" instead of working together to get tasks accomplished efficiently. oh well, just my thoughts....but i never have to worry about holding a job down and i certainly can do it all by myself and without my "brothers in arm"
So you're telling me that the 10% of the work force that is Union is bankrupting this whole country? I don't see how that philosophy can be anything but playing the blame game. Especially when America's CEOs have had 15-25% salary increases last year and this year. I bet if I got a $8hr raise you'd be mad as hell. But if a rich man gets it you'll fight others off just kiss his ass. PS Union Boilermakers, and the contractors who employ us compete directly for the same work, and we're still workin
I work independent I bust my ass everyday I have no vacation sick pay holidays I work I make money I don't work I don't make money! That make sense! So that means all of what you said is irrelevant! Classy insulates as well probably going to lose sleep.. tehe!
why yes i do.....and iwould bet its far better then yours sir....i have an assoc in small business managment and currting enrolled in a 5 year apprenticeship and tech school....also have many certs that i went to school for thoughout the last 8 years...do u have an education?
@ivester15 Its not about who can do the job better, but cheaper. Then who can do it cheaper than the guy who can do it cheaper than you. Then cheaper that guy. Then cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. Then fiinally workers are competing over little to nothing. The spiral continues downwards. Wages go down, living standards go down, and no one wins. Want a world without unions? Read Upton Sinclair's novel or some by John Steinbeck. People lived off of nothing and were treated like slaves.
Really I'm union I work hard and so do all good tradesmen why are we fighting each other . Every man deserves to have work and when people act like assholes over this union / non union bullshit it's childish and pathetic .Oh and for the people commenting on union sucking I disagree Im a union ironworker and my family ( three kids ) Enjoy medical and dental benefits they would not enjoy if I worked non-union so say what you will but for 33 bucks a months the 6 k I use in benefits in a year is ok
Past their usefulness? just see what happens when unions disappear, so will your employment rights. No annual,sick,bereavement leave, health and safety and everything else that ensures equity in the workplace
@Ladiestreat Walmart jobs are not meant to be family sustaing jobs. They are for snot nose high school/ college kids until they find something better. You thing stocking shelves is worth $80/hr? And who pays for that? There is NO law that states individuals have to start up a business and employ people. Maybe you'd like to start a business and have the workers tell you what to do? Little wonder why companies are going to Mexico.
didn't do too well in school, did you? i never ran a forklift in my life, and yes, the forklift drivers at the plant i worked for made that much. i made over $32 at the age of 19 as a welder. that was good for that time of my life. it's nice i can charge over 3 times that amount in oil field maintenance. work will be there for 30+ years. joke's still on you.
It's interesting you think union "people" are a joke, do you have annual leave, sick leave, health and safety on the job? how do you think you got these? it was workers like you who fought for better conditions. if unions disappear so will your rights as a worker
I sit on the bench every summer big deal, we don't work summertime. 7^ of the American workers are Union, but they're getting blamed for all our nation's problems. Kind of odd ain't it.
**outwork NON union companies.....anderson constuction here in philadelphia holds the record for the most asphalt put down in one day..OVER 3k TONS in a single 8 hours day..whle non union companies of the same size are BARELY puting down 2k tons...these are facts..im sorry it doesnt fit your narritive
This is why i support the anti-union bil up in Wis. ( to a point) look if you wanna protest or Pickett then do it, but don't fucking purposely prevent others from doing there job or even stop union workers just cuz they don't agree with you.
@Thekingcmk I agree. And I don't mind scabs, they have families to provide for as well and would give up everything to have that cushy union job these people have the balls to complain about. They should be ashamed for acting this way, and lucky they have that good job at all.
And how exactly would a strike do anything if only half the workers at a plant went on strike? Without unity strikes/unions fail, that's the whole point. Everybody sticking together and looking out for each other it's such a novel concept it America these days, and I think that's pretty sad. Me and my Union brothers compete directly with non-union all the time. Many construction trades are this way. My Union has cut the cost of certifying pressure welders by 80% for our contractors
@IsraelPride81186 130 an hour..lol..what are you a doctor or lawyer?? I never heard of any union paying that..but maybe in the city..perhaps..here upsate the union only goes maybe to 30 an hour unless you equipment operate it's around 50
What if people had said that when men were striking while they were fighting for the 40 hr work week and all the other things that we/YOU have that came from striking and fighting for a better life. I earn every dime I make, I bet I sacrifice alot more for my paycheck than you do yours. I spend 9 months a year away from home, making pressure welds in places you probably couldn't even get into.Me and my Union brothers compete with Nonunion all the time, because we are more skilled.
@bjovi12 Not true. Being part of a union doesn't automatically make you a "skilled" person. Saying that is one of the most stupid things you can say. It's like saying "if you belong to a church, you're a good person" BS! False, most people who are in the union ARE because there is no friendlier choice. And don't bs anybody with the weekend thing etc. I don't know if you know the US is one industrialized country with the most annual work hours per worker a year and least holidays. Why? Unions?...
if you dont want to have voluntary transactions with someone dont prevent someone else from engaging in voluntary transactions this whole because I traded with you for 2 years I'm entitled to keep trading at the same or greater rate even though you can trade the exact same thing with some else is making society less efficient
im glad to see u couldnt refute a single thing.the slowest?just another basless asertion that doesnt fit with the FACTS.if unions guys are the slowest then why is it it that a UNION company holds the record for most productive in my industry?why is it that a UNION company put down the RECORD amount of mileage in asphalt for 9 years AND RUNNING..? look up CAT website for stats.union companys out perform non union companies in EVERY category EVERY year.saftey,productivity,training,education,ect..
I see a lot of bragging about benefits, retirement and so on. Where do you think that money comes from? That's not a rhetorical question, I really want to know where you think that money comes from.
@1963danno There is work, maybe not the kind you want, but there is work. Yet either way that has nothing to do with the fact that these men were trying to get others not to work. I thought you didn't support any strong arm tactics like those employed here. Yet you're here defending them, interesting.
@1963danno So you mean to tell me that because your wages have risen, you can afford the more expensive product? Then your union has not increased your standard of living. If every worker was union and the price of everything rose to accomodate union dues, then nobody would be better off. Unions only pass the costs of dues and benefits onto the consumer, who is often a union worker himself. Welcome to economics 101. Bet your boss didn't teach you that, huh?
Somebody trying to keep work from getting done because he doesn't understand that others have a right to compete with him. If the quality of union labor was really so much better as to deserve such a huge price increase the union wouldn't have trouble getting work. On a positive note, they ignored him & got the job done.
@slowchaos, unlike u, I went through a 5 year apprenticeship to learn and build on my craft! Im not like u who 'learned" ur "laborer type skill" in the street. Yes, my employer pays alot of money but thats cause they know with us they can count on the job being done once, right and with quality workmanship, which a scab like you could never produce. FYI, it is the contractor along with the union that fund the apprenticeship programs and choose who does or doesnt qualify.
not a chance in hell you make more then them..not even a chance.....if ur working on a previaling wage job then u are getting the SAME pay as them and thats a bebefit from the union NOT your boss he is forced to pay u that wage if he wants to bid on a prevailing wage job..u might make the same hourly pay but ur benefits pension and enuity are not even in the same league..but i highly doubt u make more per horu anyway or even have HALF of the training they have
@bjovi12 You're just parroting. I'll give you one example. Police officers. Do they need years and years of experience? Naaah, just 6 months in the academy. You want to talk about years of schooling? OK let's go that way: Teachers. ALL teachers need to go through years of schooling. At the end, what? Joining their union makes them "skilled"? Does it? They all got about the same amount of education in years (hopefully). Critical thinking is the answer... our future. Watch "Waiting for Superman".
the union brotherhood must prevail !! the ideological white worker stereotpye no longer exist in the workforce. all races and sexes have huge demographics currently in the union. union carpenters were always abolitionist, though they could have practiced it earlier many strides have been made toward inclusion. my videos show the unions diversity. stop the divide and conquor. fact is our union breaktimes allow more different races to break bread with eachother than any religeous ideology ever
You ever worked on a Union Boilermaker or Ironworker job? We compete directly with Non-union every day for the same work. Out in KS Westar energy always has Non-union do the Precipitator work while we do the more important work on the Boiler. If we didn't pull our weight they'd shit can us in a heart beat.
@FreedomLover1973 He & I actually have an argument that spans a couple videos & I brought that very point up in one of the others, it seems these union vids all have the same few defenders.
@IsraelPride81186 actally some do!! I know a company..yea the one I work for..non-union ofcourse...they have a full service child chare facility, they have a bill pay option that tkes money from my pay check to pay my bills, and if I can't cover I can borrow from the company until my next pay check...as for mailng food..I never heard of ANY COMPANY OR UNIION doing that..I think you rambling just for the hell of it!!
@o5iiawah Seriously think for a moment what happens when your company has to pay for the benefits that your union coerced out of it. No skin off their back, they just charge the customer more money to make up the difference. You obviously dont get that "more wages" doesn't mean crap when the cost of living is so damn high. Look at NYC. The guy who sweeps the street is in a union and you need to make $70k/yr just to afford a decent standard of living.
@soccergirl15gunn I should make it clear I am not a blind supporter of Unions and all they do. There is waste and corruption within unions just as there is government. However Unions have done some good especially for the working class America. Now we seem to have a situation in which so called "conservatives" want to suddenly blame working class for the debt problem. Never mind our "public servants" live lives of kings w/ lifetime pensions far exceeding what any union worker could dream of.
@IsraelPride81186 you know, why don't you tell us, about how much you really get from that nice paycheck..here I will do the math..say u make 25 a hour, now lets take out them dues which is 2.25 an hour..23.25 an hour now...now lets figire your benifits out at 6.00 a hour...17.25 an hour we are at..now lets take them taxes out..hmmm 13 to 14 an hour...hmmm...so what are you bragging abut again?...I am confused??
@tl52 Dude first of all have you ever been in a union?I have been on both sides of the fence and me goin union is the best move i made.I will agree with you about complaining we certainly have some but man every company has those union or non union. peace!
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Whats the big difference? we all need to work, why protest and block another man from working?
I am a non union ironworker in San diego , CA and make $62 dollars an hour prevailing wage. My dad was in the Ironworkers union for 10 years and left because of all the bullshit politics involved. He started a steel erection company and is now a millionaire. Move up the ladder and work non union instead of being stuck in a union with no room to grow
I have the history of the facts that Unions/men uniting for the common cause of a better life. My proof that Unions are good is in everything around us. Every craftsman that makes a good wage is because Unions, every regulation that keeps you safe on the job is because of unions. Before Unions American companies used People as disposable labor sources, like China does today. If you got hurt you were simply fired.. Is that what you want for America?
That shows the overall ignorance of the general public when it comes to the benefits of union labor. Union all the way dude, keep fighting the assholes who want universal right to work and then there will be no bar set for wages and benefits
Unions don't nothing but laziness
I work union and work non union jobs when the union puts me on the books. I bootleg on sundays to union employees and I do side work not letting my union office know about it. Hey!! it's America man. Free to do what I want.
I wish my union had a little more balls like this and put up a fight when scabs are working on OUR jobs.
My pops was a 608 carpenter "Chippy Stone" from the 1970s till they closed in the early 2000s and he went to 157 after. But he use to tell me stuff like this would happen all the time.
And I'll ask again, have you ever actually worked a Union job? I would love to see you try to keep up with a crew of Ironworkers or Tank Builders, or Scaffold builder. I doubt you'd last 2 days.
If you can even get in lol. Seriously has anyone tried getting in a union? It's harder than getting in a university
I'm in one. You have to be smart/trained and very hard working. Truly the best of the best get in.
the union shops that are still around learned how to change their company names every few years and get around the stupid labor laws create by dept of labor and the unions,this will never end its been going on for years.i can't stand the idea that i would need to be represented by a union,that makes people lazy,and very comfortable knowing that i don't have to get it done on my own.i have been in the carpenters union for 9 years in the 90`s.i left that to start my own business,i never look back.
carpenters union in south jersey went to shit with the merger. I am a 5th generation union carpenter with 30 years in. Never missed a beat until the economy went to crap. 2 weeks of work a year now...I used to be sent out to non union contractors to show how much better and efficient union labor can be and got every contractor to happily sign with us. With the out of touch asses in control of "our" union giving raises as the contractors could barely keep the lights on drove away long standing good union contractors. Instead of losing my home to foreclosure, eating noodles every other day and getting my electric turned off I went non-union. My "brothers" in the hall could care less they were financially good and so were their buddies. Until they do some major restructuring the unions will end because of greed.
Yeah well as far as the carpenters go when the contractors such as george harms give better benefits and pensions then the union offers well how can the union compete? I can see a big blow out coming with the construction trade unions in jersey and their members. The tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Got hundreds of honest guys not working more then a few weeks a year, but the ass kissers get sent out all the time. You go and try to find your own work because you are starving and are chastised for it. The work is there, but something else is going on. Anyway I think we are at least a couple decades away from this all coming to a head unfortunately so we will just have to wait and see. What a sad situation it is though I hear ya.
I was a Teamster for a few years. Just long enough to confirm what my Grandad told me about "unions". No thanks. I will just pass.
What top pay and benefits? no non union company pays well compared to them Just gottah work hard and be committed. The full package is double to triple the amount you'd get from a non union company
I'm going to try and join the union but work hard. Guys I'm just trying to make a living and make money and live my life don't hate me for it. We're all trying to survive in this world here
so the truck driver was part of the union and im guessing the people blocking him are non union can some please explain the difference Thanks
A union workers favorite phrase, "Thats not my job".
My great grandfather was a carpenter my grandpa was a carpenter my father was a carpenter now my son don’t want to be a carpenter ( most old school carpenters)
I'm 26 and haven't worked with anyone my age or under yet. Everyone 35+
Ok you scab weasels, or union haters, listen up, the states with no unions everyone earns less income, and with union states, the average incomes are much higher, for all types of wage earners, affording a decent home and a way of life, so if you want your state to be like trailer trash then go ahead and let the billionaires sit on their mountains of money and pay you peanuts. When you see someone standing up for a decent way of life, learn your labor history, how do you think we have-or-had a middleclass in this nation?
Just give up. They're idiots. They don't understand meaning in union because they don't work hard enough to compete. They take menial jobs and complain the unions have the better jobs, when in reality, they can't compete in the union marketplace. They'd be gone on the first day.
They don't know who brought them the 8 hour workday, overtime pay rates, or the weekend. It must have been those employers who love you so much, right?
They're idiots. Let them scab their entire life and bitch about the union guys who work like mules 'til the job is done.
fuck yea brother i agree iron workers local 229 unioun all day!!!
+Bryan Gonzalez it's ok guys there kids can work for illegals when the unions collapse fucking assholes.Philly Carpenters Union local 1856
showcrap cost of living in union states is also higher
showcrap preach bro!!! I’m A cement mason! Local 40 UNITED WE BARGAIN, DIVIDED WE BEG! LIVE BETTER! WORK UNION
used to build excavators until the factory shut down. that's what happens when non-skilled union forklift drivers are getting $30/hr. you can scream management and ceo's all you want, but it was the union.
I don't have a 401 k. I have a real pension. So while your retirement comes out of your $23/hr the $12hr that goes into my pension doesn't come out of my check, niether does my insurance or annuity. They're also on hours paid, so when my pay is on overtime and double time so are my benefits.
Now don't forget to "sell" more cards and keep the existing rank & file on the "out-of-work" list!! GO UNION!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wat do u mean
Does this comment strike anybody else as extremely ironic? Bragging about working non-union and making "Prevailing Wage" which is union negotiated. Without unions there would be no "Prevailing Wage". Thank you for that, I needed a good laugh.
hehe "roman pulanski" i knew there had to be a pole in there somwhere! good work!
sure are a lot of people standing around not working there...
@starwars518 i have never been in a union, i got by for thiry years on my own merit. survived several rounds of layoffs, because my bosschose to keep me over less qualifed, not as dedicated individuals. never needed a nanny union, i worked did what was needed not worring about the credit. if i sawsomething thatned to be done, i did it. Unions today have prtty much out lived their usefulness. corporations do not , abuse the employee, bad for business.
Our men fighting the good fight against the piece of shit scabs. Thanks Tommy for your service.
original 1456 here what a shame this is and still is
3 people working. 10 people standing around. Sounds like a Union job to me.
@truthadvocate
Though Steinbeck's and Sinclair's PERSONAL stories were fiction, both were basing their work off of the real material conditions in which people lived. If non-fiction is what you're seeking read Jacob Riis's book or just look at the immense poverty rates and the class disparity between the rich and the working-class in industrial America before the labor movement. High wages and benefits weren't given generously. Historically they were fought for and won by fierce labor activism
where is hillary clinton, she said she would help us picket if elected senator. keep voting for open boarder amnesty democrats and see what happens.
Yes it is odd that Union gets blamed for all the non-union jobs going overseas. Union Boilermakers (and the contractors who employ us) compete directly with non-union all the time. We build and maintain power plants that are owned by coops and private companies not bridges and roads. I worked a job this spring where non-union did the precip work which is much less critical. We were working on the boiler which is the most critical part that takes the most skill.
yea the carpenters union are doing the same thing here in philadelphia and they are always trying to steal every other trades work but then scream when someone does their work....but then they pick fights with other trades and drop otiu of the afl cio..i dont get it....why would u guys want to go in that direction?
@1963danno Anything that requires unskilled labor (because if you're not a carpenter, that's what you are). it sucks, but sometimes you need to adapt or die. When things get better you can be a carpenter again, or maybe you'll get really lucky & learn whole new skill. Being stubborn & stuck in your ways won't put money in your pocket or food on the table.
It comes from the contractor and the Customer which is the power company. But before you go off about us making too much money etc. you need to know this. Union Boilermakers, and the contractors who employ us compete directly with non-union workers/contractors for the same work. We keep work because we work faster & safer than non-union. We have a very good reputation for meeting and beating our deadlines and our reject rate on our pressure welds is extremely low.
Hows your 401K doin buddy? I know a guy who just retired (at age 55) drawin $7,000 a month FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, plus whatever he had in his annuity probably a couple hundred grand. I'm a Union Boilermaker, I work 6-9 months a year and make $50-$100k. My benefit package is worth more than your wage twice as much sometime because I make overtime and double time on my benefits too.
National SOCIALIST German Workers UNION.
Stop calling Republicans Nazis, because I didnt hear anything about Capitolism in there.
@truthadvocate
The problem with your other argument is that there are far more workers than employers. Thus workers don't have that variance of choice to choose among employment. Further, it is much easier for an employer to replace a workforce than it is for a worker to replace an employer. Why? Several reasons. For one mega-employers have access to every corner of the globe, to every population. They have that power to choose whomever will work the cheapest. Power relations are unbalanced
@IsraelPride81186 ...was it bought with others union dues??
What do u mean
Why in the hell is he even out there showing off his union card. Nobody gives a freak. Leave those guys alone.
The unions were good for workers back in the day, that's all changed now. It's about the have's and the have not's and not for nothing but I'm a non union carpenter who has been in warranty for 20 years now. I fix union built high-rises and I've never been laid off. Why is that? because union work is so much better? NOT LIKELY! Just because you have a card that says your a carpenter it doesn't make it so. I'm just saying :)
the non stop training progresses you further. And your held at a higher standard in union. I've worked both
That's not for either you or me to worry about all i care about is working hard and getting paid decent
Unions have the most insane expectations and are overpriced when it comes to contracts. I was in the carpenters union 4 and a half years and I built scaffolding. Most of what I heard was bitching and moaning over huge contracts.
I've been in the union for many years what do u mean by contracts?
Stupid demands like what? In the 70s & 80s my dad and his fellow miners had to fight like hell for $.25 raise every 2 years. And the price of ore was 3 times what I've seen the mines operate on 30 years later. Your outsourcing arguement only works if you assume that only non-union jobs are being outsourced which is totally false. And you must also ignore the free trade policies that started with Reagan that have streamlined the process of shipping our jobs overseas.
@1963danno No, there is nothing else that pays what you're used to. There are plenty of jobs that generally have transitional employees, not the best, but jobs nonetheless. If you turn profit working for yourself, you have work. It probably pays less than you're used to, but that's where the tighten your belt thing comes in. I'd just like to point out if you successfully work as a freelance carpenter when the union can't get hired it means they're hindering job placement.
i don't work my nuts off as i said before, done with that nonsense. i don't throw my money away on diesel pickups, bars or a family either. i'm 27 with a very nice roth (which i set up at 19) and a 401k from a previous employer. watch what you say as to not look like a jackass. i support myself, save my cash, and i will never need unemployment. there will ALWAYS be work in my state until the day i die. i do what i want, when i want, and with money to burn. i'll be dead before i'm old anyway.
@1963danno That's true, but only if you are working at the task you have a skill in. If your skill is not in demand, then you need to tighten your belt & do something else. Remembering that as far as say a garage would be concerned a carpenter is unskilled labor, because the garage doesn't need one. You can avoid by doing work that's dangerous enough they have to pay workers extra, but that's a personal decision & those jobs are also in fairly short supply.
Theyre doing this bullshit in Jersey City right now
@migraine516 If your labor has value, then why do you need a union? If you can't find a willing buyer for it at the price you like, then it's not as valuable as you think.
My dad worked union, my wife works union, I'm non union and we all get along, my dad asked my wife when she became union what it was like being married to a scab ha ha ha, in this vid I see fighting within it's members what the hell unions can't even get along with themselves, way too much drama for me, no union ratt on site come on my dad would have had it there even though he said it gave the union negative publicity.
"nope not my job" instead of working together to get tasks accomplished efficiently. oh well, just my thoughts....but i never have to worry about holding a job down and i certainly can do it all by myself and without my "brothers in arm"
You sound mad for some reason maybe your lack the bennies?
What's a timsta
So you're telling me that the 10% of the work force that is Union is bankrupting this whole country? I don't see how that philosophy can be anything but playing the blame game. Especially when America's CEOs have had 15-25% salary increases last year and this year. I bet if I got a $8hr raise you'd be mad as hell. But if a rich man gets it you'll fight others off just kiss his ass. PS Union Boilermakers, and the contractors who employ us compete directly for the same work, and we're still workin
I work independent I bust my ass everyday I have no vacation sick pay holidays I work I make money I don't work I don't make money! That make sense! So that means all of what you said is irrelevant! Classy insulates as well probably going to lose sleep.. tehe!
why yes i do.....and iwould bet its far better then yours sir....i have an assoc in small business managment and currting enrolled in a 5 year apprenticeship and tech school....also have many certs that i went to school for thoughout the last 8 years...do u have an education?
@ivester15
Its not about who can do the job better, but cheaper. Then who can do it cheaper than the guy who can do it cheaper than you. Then cheaper that guy. Then cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. Then fiinally workers are competing over little to nothing. The spiral continues downwards. Wages go down, living standards go down, and no one wins.
Want a world without unions? Read Upton Sinclair's novel or some by John Steinbeck. People lived off of nothing and were treated like slaves.
UNION- YES!!!! Fight for your right!
Really I'm union I work hard and so do all good tradesmen why are we fighting each other . Every man deserves to have work and when people act like assholes over this union / non union bullshit it's childish and pathetic .Oh and for the people commenting on union sucking I disagree Im a union ironworker and my family ( three kids ) Enjoy medical and dental benefits they would not enjoy if I worked non-union so say what you will but for 33 bucks a months the 6 k I use in benefits in a year is ok
Past their usefulness? just see what happens when unions disappear, so will your employment rights. No annual,sick,bereavement leave, health and safety and everything else that ensures equity in the workplace
The Weekend ..... Your Welcome.... Brought to you by your Union
What the fuck does this mean?
Cripes just hit reverse nice and hard, problem solved
THE UNION GUYS ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK, COMPLAIN LIKE LITTLE GURLS ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WILL WORK.
@RGMerkel yes, not getting paid a good wage and not getting good benefits
@Ladiestreat Walmart jobs are not meant to be family sustaing jobs. They are for snot nose high school/ college kids until they find something better. You thing stocking shelves is worth $80/hr? And who pays for that? There is NO law that states individuals have to start up a business and employ people. Maybe you'd like to start a business and have the workers tell you what to do? Little wonder why companies are going to Mexico.
didn't do too well in school, did you? i never ran a forklift in my life, and yes, the forklift drivers at the plant i worked for made that much. i made over $32 at the age of 19 as a welder. that was good for that time of my life. it's nice i can charge over 3 times that amount in oil field maintenance. work will be there for 30+ years. joke's still on you.
It's interesting you think union "people" are a joke, do you have annual leave, sick leave, health and safety on the job? how do you think you got these? it was workers like you who fought for better conditions. if unions disappear so will your rights as a worker
I sit on the bench every summer big deal, we don't work summertime. 7^ of the American workers are Union, but they're getting blamed for all our nation's problems. Kind of odd ain't it.
**outwork NON union companies.....anderson constuction here in philadelphia holds the record for the most asphalt put down in one day..OVER 3k TONS in a single 8 hours day..whle non union companies of the same size are BARELY puting down 2k tons...these are facts..im sorry it doesnt fit your narritive
This is why i support the anti-union bil up in Wis. ( to a point) look if you wanna protest or Pickett then do it, but don't fucking purposely prevent others from doing there job or even stop union workers just cuz they don't agree with you.
@Thekingcmk
I agree. And I don't mind scabs, they have families to provide for as well and would give up everything to have that cushy union job these people have the balls to complain about. They should be ashamed for acting this way, and lucky they have that good job at all.
And how exactly would a strike do anything if only half the workers at a plant went on strike? Without unity strikes/unions fail, that's the whole point. Everybody sticking together and looking out for each other it's such a novel concept it America these days, and I think that's pretty sad. Me and my Union brothers compete directly with non-union all the time. Many construction trades are this way. My Union has cut the cost of certifying pressure welders by 80% for our contractors
UNION PRIDE
@IsraelPride81186 130 an hour..lol..what are you a doctor or lawyer?? I never heard of any union paying that..but maybe in the city..perhaps..here upsate the union only goes maybe to 30 an hour unless you equipment operate it's around 50
UNION PRIDE TEAMSTERS 705!!!!! Chicago
What if people had said that when men were striking while they were fighting for the 40 hr work week and all the other things that we/YOU have that came from striking and fighting for a better life. I earn every dime I make, I bet I sacrifice alot more for my paycheck than you do yours. I spend 9 months a year away from home, making pressure welds in places you probably couldn't even get into.Me and my Union brothers compete with Nonunion all the time, because we are more skilled.
@militia765 Sorry, I got pissed for no reason. Any organization has its bad apples.
@bjovi12 Not true. Being part of a union doesn't automatically make you a "skilled" person. Saying that is one of the most stupid things you can say. It's like saying "if you belong to a church, you're a good person" BS! False, most people who are in the union ARE because there is no friendlier choice. And don't bs anybody with the weekend thing etc. I don't know if you know the US is one industrialized country with the most annual work hours per worker a year and least holidays. Why? Unions?...
if you dont want to have voluntary transactions with someone dont prevent someone else from engaging in voluntary transactions
this whole because I traded with you for 2 years I'm entitled to keep trading at the same or greater rate even though you can trade the exact same thing with some else is making society less efficient
looks like some union ginnies are getting there's...now the union scum know where those dues went too...ha!
im glad to see u couldnt refute a single thing.the slowest?just another basless asertion that doesnt fit with the FACTS.if unions guys are the slowest then why is it it that a UNION company holds the record for most productive in my industry?why is it that a UNION company put down the RECORD amount of mileage in asphalt for 9 years AND RUNNING..? look up CAT website for stats.union companys out perform non union companies in EVERY category EVERY year.saftey,productivity,training,education,ect..
I see a lot of bragging about benefits, retirement and so on. Where do you think that money comes from? That's not a rhetorical question, I really want to know where you think that money comes from.
@MrRollingrock That same phrase could be said by anyone not just a union worker
@1963danno There is work, maybe not the kind you want, but there is work. Yet either way that has nothing to do with the fact that these men were trying to get others not to work. I thought you didn't support any strong arm tactics like those employed here. Yet you're here defending them, interesting.
@FreedomLover1973 I don't know how 12% of the workforce could possibly be "fleecing" America
@1963danno So you mean to tell me that because your wages have risen, you can afford the more expensive product? Then your union has not increased your standard of living. If every worker was union and the price of everything rose to accomodate union dues, then nobody would be better off. Unions only pass the costs of dues and benefits onto the consumer, who is often a union worker himself. Welcome to economics 101. Bet your boss didn't teach you that, huh?
Somebody trying to keep work from getting done because he doesn't understand that others have a right to compete with him. If the quality of union labor was really so much better as to deserve such a huge price increase the union wouldn't have trouble getting work.
On a positive note, they ignored him & got the job done.
@slowchaos, unlike u, I went through a 5 year apprenticeship to learn and build on my craft! Im not like u who 'learned" ur "laborer type skill" in the street. Yes, my employer pays alot of money but thats cause they know with us they can count on the job being done once, right and with quality workmanship, which a scab like you could never produce. FYI, it is the contractor along with the union that fund the apprenticeship programs and choose who does or doesnt qualify.
not a chance in hell you make more then them..not even a chance.....if ur working on a previaling wage job then u are getting the SAME pay as them and thats a bebefit from the union NOT your boss he is forced to pay u that wage if he wants to bid on a prevailing wage job..u might make the same hourly pay but ur benefits pension and enuity are not even in the same league..but i highly doubt u make more per horu anyway or even have HALF of the training they have
@IsraelPride81186 cool...can I have some too!!
@bjovi12 You're just parroting. I'll give you one example. Police officers. Do they need years and years of experience? Naaah, just 6 months in the academy. You want to talk about years of schooling? OK let's go that way: Teachers. ALL teachers need to go through years of schooling. At the end, what? Joining their union makes them "skilled"? Does it? They all got about the same amount of education in years (hopefully). Critical thinking is the answer... our future. Watch "Waiting for Superman".
the union brotherhood must prevail !! the ideological white worker stereotpye no longer exist in the workforce. all races and sexes have huge demographics currently in the union. union carpenters were always abolitionist, though they could have practiced it earlier many strides have been made toward inclusion. my videos show the unions diversity. stop the divide and conquor. fact is our union breaktimes allow more different races to break bread with eachother than any religeous ideology ever
Yes it does it is a white man territory they all in management
You ever worked on a Union Boilermaker or Ironworker job? We compete directly with Non-union every day for the same work. Out in KS Westar energy always has Non-union do the Precipitator work while we do the more important work on the Boiler. If we didn't pull our weight they'd shit can us in a heart beat.
@FreedomLover1973 He & I actually have an argument that spans a couple videos & I brought that very point up in one of the others, it seems these union vids all have the same few defenders.
@IsraelPride81186 actally some do!! I know a company..yea the one I work for..non-union ofcourse...they have a full service child chare facility, they have a bill pay option that tkes money from my pay check to pay my bills, and if I can't cover I can borrow from the company until my next pay check...as for mailng food..I never heard of ANY COMPANY OR UNIION doing that..I think you rambling just for the hell of it!!
@o5iiawah Seriously think for a moment what happens when your company has to pay for the benefits that your union coerced out of it. No skin off their back, they just charge the customer more money to make up the difference. You obviously dont get that "more wages" doesn't mean crap when the cost of living is so damn high. Look at NYC. The guy who sweeps the street is in a union and you need to make $70k/yr just to afford a decent standard of living.
@eatmytool1
Dude you are comparing apples to oranges...
Carpenters make MORE money then walmart employees ANYWAYS.
@jessekfmn NP
@666kyle69 amen brother...
I've had enough Obama even though I voted for him, I'm going Romney
@soccergirl15gunn I should make it clear I am not a blind supporter of Unions and all they do. There is waste and corruption within unions just as there is government. However Unions have done some good especially for the working class America. Now we seem to have a situation in which so called "conservatives" want to suddenly blame working class for the debt problem. Never mind our "public servants" live lives of kings w/ lifetime pensions far exceeding what any union worker could dream of.
@IsraelPride81186 you know, why don't you tell us, about how much you really get from that nice paycheck..here I will do the math..say u make 25 a hour, now lets take out them dues which is 2.25 an hour..23.25 an hour now...now lets figire your benifits out at 6.00 a hour...17.25 an hour we are at..now lets take them taxes out..hmmm 13 to 14 an hour...hmmm...so what are you bragging abut again?...I am confused??
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@IsraelPride81186 you love to talk...lol
@tl52 Dude first of all have you ever been in a union?I have been on both sides of the fence and me goin union is the best move i made.I will agree with you about complaining we certainly have some but man every company has those union or non union. peace!