KnightmareFrame I think this list is way more meant for new players than it is for longtime hardcore players. For example a Warframe like Chroma can be categorized as very complex for new players because almost everyone of his abilties can offer multiple buffs depending on the colours you use on him and a lot of new players for sure have problems with this colour mechanic to understand how they can get his abilties to have the effects they want to use, also chroma needs a lot of investment like Forma and good lategame mods to make is damage and survivabiltiy buffs good. And also a lot of Warframes can be relatively simple to kind of understand what their abilties do and have them be very good in early game but also still have a lot of nuance and offer a lot of complexity in late game as well, I think Mag is a great example for this you understand what her abilties do as a newb like make a bubble that pulls enemys in and stuff like that and yet when you want to master this Warframe and make her strong in late this Warframe suddenly become a lot more complex. This is called being easy to learn but difficult to master, I really think you should see this list more from that perspective.
Yareli: Crowd controls with her 1 and 4, tanks with her 2, and heals Merulina with her augment. Gains 100k+ HP on Merulina after pressing 2 and waiting for 4 seconds while loads of enemies shoot her on steel path. DE: This is a damage warframe. Yareli: :0
This is for people who are probably just getting into the game. For people who are high tier high level players this website is obviously a joke. I think that's possibly the point people who have played the game for a long time obviously know and should know that this website is more of an introduction for people to get familiarized with the game. There's something to be said when your trying to simplify down a game that's pretty complex and that's gone through a lot of changes over the past 10+ something pretty much 11 years. This website isn't for the pro players of Warframe.
Gotta change the title of the video holmes, it's the website. I doubt anyone ever looks at the website to see what a warframe can do. Would be nice if they updated it and did better but it's a bit rich to say that DE does not play their game, Probably there's an intern editing this site.
I mean, your points about the categories are valid, but its a bit disingenuous to approach this from an endgame perspective when this seems aimed at new players to get a quick intro to the warframes. We're talking no augments, no helminth, no arcanes, synergy, etc. Base kit on star chart mission type shit. Granted there are still some glaring misses on there 😂 I think the main problem is warframes be doing so much these days that you could apply like 5 categories to most of them
@@sax7760 To be fair, Yareli's 2 abilities that have cc are primarily designed to help with dps and the cc aspect is more of a secondary bonus type of thing, which i am assuming is the reason they wouldn't give her that tag
That's not a good thing, DE should incentivize new players to learn to make builds, that is why so many people quit early. Instead of teaching people the ropes, they instead nerf even the easiest of missions, for example they nerfed the H-09 boss from the 1999 Quest post launch even tho it already was extremely easy to begin with and you play as Arthur with a pre made build that is more then enough for the boss, as a result of that a Boss that used to take 1-2 min to beat, now takes 30 sec, this is not OK because for most people that is the only time they will ever fight that boss, because casual players only play quests and then go back to other games. they should teach the mechanics of the boss instead of nerfing it to the ground. If you only even win because it's too easy, you will quickly loose intrest. If you only ever loose if it's hard, you will most likely give up. So people play the quest, loose interest and leave because it has no depth.
More like a reflection how the Devs think how their frames are received, not how the community views them to be. Such a disconnection here, but it could be worst
Can't say I agree. Looking over it, all of these seem accurate and how the frames are being utilized. I think those ratings are more to be seen as the capability of the Warframes than their absolute potential. For instance Excalibur is rated as pure Damage, but a frame like Gyre who is rated as Control would generally out damage him. But Excalibur can only do damage. He has nothing else going on. So him dealing poor damage doesn't mean that isn't his role.
mag at least should have damage on her, use 2 and 4 and everything is dead. At least she kills thing easier than most warframes they say to be damage warframes, lets not even talk about gauss.
@@ReallyBadJosy It's true that she does, but her control aspect is way more pronounced and unique than that, and more fundamental to her kit. Like I said; those rankings seem to just display the striking characteristic of a character than actual performance.
I mean the list is mostly for new Tenno. Most of if not the majority of the player base outside of that barely go to the site besides the forums, update information and other stuff etc. It’s still helpful though because it familiarizes people with the frames. Sure the list could use a little touch up but that’s fine it’ll happen in time ( I guess )
Thats not tanking though, thats damage prevention like Revenant does. Real tanking are those that like Inaros, Nidus, Chroma because they still take damage but they can sustain them.
@@missk1697 i’ll clarify because the other guy didn’t do it well. because it’s using an augment. that isn’t normally on her kit and you can’t just buy augments for credits. she can tank with an exception, when you start adding exceptions it no longer is what it was.
Ok so for one, you're talking absorb with the augment. Both of those versions of absorb require a decent amount of energy upkeep to keep going, and again, assimilate tanking is considered an optional build you can use, which is why it's a mod you can get from a syndicate you may choose to avoid. Without assimilate you are technically vulnerable outside of the seconds you spend immune to damage from casting absorb. Compare that to Rhino where he is specifically made to build a lot of overguard that prevents all damage without any drain, and that overguard is made to automatically scale with the amount of damage he takes or Revenant that automatically gives you 10-20 seconds of immortality that even a newbie could use. Neither need a mod or put a newbie under the effects of channeling (which easily overwhelm a newbie's supply of energy since 90% of energy methods don't work with it). Also, Nyx's absorb is designed for you to absorb the damage, then deal damage, then use your other abilities to crowd control. Her kit is balanced around enemy manipulation and damage with tanking being a backseat option you rely on when they start overpowering you unless you use assimilate.
People saying this is an over reaction is missing the point. In general no one is gonna see the roles here on this website. On the other hand, for a game that's been out for a decade, they could have at least shown that they know the characters in the game. These kind of simplifications are in Mobas and rpgs too, but there is power creep that changes the complexity scale and what certain characters can do. We know what these frames can do, and the average warframe player can scale and categorize them properly. This was not made by someone who plays warframe. Not all avenues need to be explored in terms of builds as that's up to the player, but if you're a new player who doesn't like looking up guides and sees this screen, they might take it as what these characters are capable of full stop.
The average player cannot actually scale these frames as most players do not do endurance runs or stress test. They do quick missions and that's all. They are literally taught the game is quick run through the map kill and leave. The only actual mission that "average" players tend to do for long are void missions for argon shards.
I knew someone would do a video on this.. I was looking at the roles and stuff and was also like.. why is this.. this? I wish they would refine the page not to confuse any newer players.
I feel like the website is trying to show what the Warframe's kit was originally designed for while you're looking at the website as what the Warframe's potential is, which obviously 2 completely different perspectives. You are correct though that there is some glaring misinformation on the page. That being said however, having "roles" in a game as customizable as this is just pointless altogether. You can make just about any frame fit whatever "role" you want. Not to mention giving something a role without clearly defining what said role is / does or why they were given that role invalidates the entire purpose of the page.
Sorry to say that but ever in only this point of view is bad make better just look af the ability and in game tip on the warframe you can see if you click on "Ability " where you open "Arsenal" it will do af least 10x better job
This is OBVIOUSLY not designed for players who have every mod/shard at their disposal. And MAYBE, just maybe this is an amalgamation of how the frames were designed & INTENDED to be played, rather than how the players actually play them. Just a suggestion, just an idea. Anyone who plays and is any good at Warframe knows that the way we play is not the way the devs play or "want" us to play.
U can say that until the croud control tag, cause that just shows that de doesnt know what cc is, its not about how they inteded the wf to be played if his ability has cc THEN PUT THE TRAIT IN
so the catch is that if they did solidify PURPOSE for each role, it would add to the complexity of the game. While there are positives to that, a lot of that would be more focused on elaborate pve or pvp. in its current game, warframe "roles" is pointless
I'd say they just decide the role based on their base ability and base mods, not some crazy game breaking builds/interactions that require veterans to figure out. Ash's complexity is literally 1 , throw shuriken, smoke grenade, teleport and aoe stealth attack, simple and straight forward, not much explanation needed... It's mainly for new players i suppose, since they don't know about game breaking mods and buffs.
I kinda get your point but if you look at it like that then every Warframe has to get every role. Because with the right build every frame can do anything.
@@schneesammler3036just because they can doesn’t mean they’ll hold up against lv1k enemies like nidus can. i could make qorvex a support frame by adding nourish, doesn’t make him one just because i added it.
I feel like a lot of these complexity complaints are just based on nada. Like who gives a fuck if an ability has some niche use. Or you could possibly play the warframe in some way that is complex. The complexity is probably based on how hard it is to understand how your abilities work. Chroma has a giant wall of text on his abilities. Ash on the other hand, light work to understand. Same with Banshee. Equinox hard to understand since you need to know the effects of 2 warframes. Gauss pretty straight forward but has a new mechanic. 3 stars. Mag super simple but has some synergy stuff. 2 stars Or other dumb stuff like how is wisp a support. Ive never seen a wisp do anything other than support. Could you do something cool sure. But its niche. Also ive seen Yareli hit damage cap negative damage with that ult but is somehow just crowd control. Like yes maybe some of these are dumb but so are you.
Roles, shmoles. Can we talk about the issue about the crazy amount of eximus units spawning lately? It's like 1 in every 3 enemy has overguard. Thrax phantoms even have overguard that heckin regenerates :I
all frames are not complex if you don't want to invest to much into building them. and all frames are super complex if you want to squeeze out all of their potential.
Just because the title is rage-baity doesn't mean his points are invalid. Styanex can have over 1 million overguard, but does not show as survivability. I could understand the WIKI having inaccuracies, but not this.
If this is really for new players, then they should be labeled as the character is intended to be played as. Ash is a stealth frame for new players, they're not going to be minmaxing for crazy builds just yet. When i was new to the game, i didn't even know what a potato was or how the mods worked. Ash was a bare-bones stealth frane for a good minute for me
@@bazukata3734 I quit the game around the time Railjack became super prominent for the story content. I hate it, and it's not how I got Ash. You're also pretending people can't buy a frame early on or get a prime through luck
Honestly I think it’s more that the damage category is redundant as almost every warframe should have it Jades a healer but will delete rooms Dante a support but will also delete rooms Octavia is support but will … You get my point Only the horribly power crept warframs like loki are exceptions They definitely need to revise those stats on that website mainly removing damage entirely or giving it out generously and work on the difficulty ratings
Damn I haven’t watched in a long time and it’s still just baiting and crying about little things lmao. This is meant for newer players to get a simple grasp on some frames, simple.
new players or not. it's still misleading and false information. DE should teach new players the proper ropes of the game instead of nerfing missions to the ground to accommodate their lack of game knowledge. As a once new player, it doesn't feel good to be left in the dark about important game knowledge cuz the game lack proper tutorials and half the info it does give you is downright wrong.
@@MEYH3Mwhy are you all over the comment section defending.. whatever it is you’re defending? the list is 95% accurate. baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino should al have damage added and that’s it
@@cwj2733 I am not defending Knightmare's POV, i am not even against the idea of the web site. I just don't like misleading info, it's never a good thing to give false info to new players, this is my pov.
That tab is a guide for new players, so zero augments, zero Arcanes, zero enemies over level 100. It's basically the character's kit from the eyes of a mastery 0.
And u can say that is true to at least 50% of the warframes. Atlas is press 1, then 1, 1 again and after that, press 1. Excal is press 4 and then spam E.
@@brago900 and again, that applies to every warframe in the game. See, trying to use the logic of "from a mastery 0 perspective" is pointless bc it starts from the absence of knowledge.
honestly I think this is not that controversial. For long time supporters and players, yall know that we know our warframes. They just need the attention span of new players, who have never tried and know what's behind warframe. So making the story quests and introduction new player friendly, as well as this gripping RPG-lookalike-class-system, I'd say its to attract new players and not something for the oldbies to be bugged about. Like we all know what them warfarmers are capable of, who needs this RPG role system the moment u reach MR6
@@Calaman228why? because baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino don’t have damage on them? womp womp, these frames are listed the way they came out and play with all 4 abilities
lol are you kidding? ive watched he soloing to 9999 many times on stream. But people wanna play with him on stream, he is a streamer, his community is how he makes money. And warframe is an easy game, there is no difficulty in soloing as it is also not that fun to just spam damagew on enemies in missions that are the same after 12 years.
well tbf, ash you just use whatever ability you want in casual play, and it will work, atlas you press 2 and 1, technically "more complex" so I agree on DE's part
@00_Exia Dude… I wasn’t being serious. It was a jab at DE because THEY labeled Chroma as complex, even though he really isn’t. I also don’t really think he is A tier btw, he is a low C tier imo
@@simonpallan9771 me too, it really made no sense. I wish they like put grades on a single Warframe with different categories and levels instead of a single category for like. Harrow has a grade A support with grade B crowd control skills. you know so that new players would get it.
@@simonpallan9771 it's complex because give a newbie chroma and then they'll be like "ok, what the heck does elemental ward do? there's 4 elements with different effects? So how do i use each of them?? and on top of that there's vex armor and then there's effigy which removes your armor and gives you... credits?"
Play mirage to finish it fast or use shield regen mods to survive and use good weapons like latron incarnon for armor strip and lex incarnon for dmg. Got all the glyphs using this approach. Can also go for slam build or exodia contagion.
seeing as it was made by wf seems good enough it's wf everyone has dps at this point so if you ignore that and the overtuned nature of frames this was likely the og roles meant for frames before they went live cant force metas i suppose de
im pretty sure its made for people for aren't new to warframe or those who just started playing it. Think in a state of mind of a brand new player, your not thinking all warframes in their endgame state, but only what the DE explains what the warframe intentions were and are.
HAH, yeah, chroma is NOT complex. Slap Nourish on 4, build for strength and duration and just stack 3rd ability. That's it - point and shoot. WOW, so complex.
can we talk about horrible veilguard like dialogue choices for the proto-frames instead, who cares about beginners, this isn't a type of game where 1 resouce can explain everything anyway
Feels like you intentionally missed the point of the roles/who the target is too begin with... Shame, a different approach to this and it would've been an interesting vid tbh
What's the point? That they're objectively wrong almost every time? "But it's for the new players who don't know nothin'", yeah, well, if I was a new player the last thing I would want from a game is for it to lie to me and waste my time and effort. New players that don't pay have very limited resources, and this helpful "guide" would make them throw away the tools they need to succeed more efficiently.
@@FerunaLuteloubro what tools, u have no mods, no arcanes, no helment, no utility weapons, nothing, as someone that got 5 people into the game I agree with the list more or less, if they gonna include every lil detail newbies gonna leave, wf is already hard enough for beginners no need to make it even harder, what would be great if they fix the damn codex aka make it usefull, and bring this list into the game inself, no one is gonna look for this on their site… again I can make ash a dmg dealer bcs I have all the tools, but my friend (even though he plays a lot) cant, Bcs he started playing not so long ago, and if u wanna play on a specific character I think we both know that people gonna look for builds on yt and not look at that list, but hey thats just my opinion, the list looks okay for beginners 😊
@@FerunaLutelouhow would you know you got lied to if you’re new? that’s paradoxical. these frames are listed for what they do when they came out with all 4 abilities. only additions that need to be made is damage on baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino
There's a difference between how you play and how another plays... I play my Citrine with a Crystallize build simply because it's superior for team play. Koumei? Yeah, she's a better elementalist. Is how I play wrong? I'd ask you the same question, because Warframe has no endgame, yet you play like there is. DE designed each Warframe a specific way, but it's the players, not the devs, who choose how to play that Warframe. You'd do well to remember that. If all you want to do is rage bait, let me tell you about the downfall of AGayGuyPlays, someone who had it all, but slowly became nothing but a whiny bitch that nobody liked. One day the rage bait will run dry, and like channels before, this one will day. I suggest you get back to whats important. Enjoyable content that informs the player about various builds.
I agree with their roles DE gave for the most part. Although the difficulty rating sucks. This chart is to appeal to new players. You wouldn't want a new player to get overwhelmed with information explaining why "Ash" can be a damage frame. If you watch how much prep work it took to make his 4th work. Mass viral priming. If you used his 4th without any priming or helminth, we will know, it's not great. Even at its best, it's easily outperformed by many other frames. This is to simplify to new players in regular star charts how you might expect to play this frame when you have little access to resources and power ie. Helminth, archon shards, galve mods, and prime mods, and even certain weapons
Well i just think about when DE relased jade there stream while rebbeca said look at this new misson Elevator misson its so mutch fun.... was like wtf is this, i'm a one of the OG players that where there at start bu now i just comes and go every year just waiting for new updates to hit to see if tehre is anything new to do. but for the past years all i see now i bounty misson for every new frame (exept jade) and i'm so tierd of bountys i can't be the only one.
While I can agree that bounties can be annoying (even tho we have pity now, thank god) I don't agree with your statement. If we pick every frame released from 2022, only Gyre, Qorvex and Cyte-09 are bounty ones. While Styanax, Voruna, Citrine, Kullervo, Dagath, Dante, Jade and Koumei are not. If we count every warframe released since Gara, 1st warframe that came in with new bounty system, we count a grand total of 7 warframes that can drop as a reward from a bounty, out of 26 newly released frames.
@@rdavila8964it’s only wrong with baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino. all 4 of them should have damage. literally everyone else fits with abilities and passives. i dont understand this video to say the least and the people that agree with KMF.
Why are people disliking the video so much? He is right about a lot of the frames. Comments like "website is trying to show what the Warframe's kit was originally designed for while you're looking at the website as what the Warframe's potential is" is bullshit. You're telling me based on 1 ability ONLY, Equinox is designed to be ONLY a support? Y'all licking DEs ass too much.
That's loaded as fuck you know right. Each Ability from each version does something for your team in some fashion. Maim is the only fundamentally damage oriented ability meant for killing enemies. R&R? CC or Vulnerability. P&P? Enemies do less damage or Ability Strength for team Mend is literally just health energy vampire. You're being fking dramatic as shit. He's objectively being an idiot and whiney because the conditions they've applied to frames are just structural overviews, nothing more.
Being designed for one thing and being primarily designed for a certain playstyle are 2 very different things and i genuinely don't think anyone in this comment section is arguing that the roles they gave on the website is the only thing a frame can do.
No, he’s not lol. As much as he says that the devs don’t play their game. He too, does not play the game. I won’t be crazy and say he’s completely wrong but some of these takes on majority of Warframes are just braindead. Also complaining that some of these characters should have support or CC labels but then subsuming those same abilities for nourish on all of your builds and posting them on yt every build guide is why he’s a bot.
uhm.... Rest is cc, Rage is enemies take more damage Pacify is damage reduction from enemies (aka it helps everyone, not just equinox) and Provoke buffs your team's power strength aka their abilities that give them their CC, Damage, Tanking and Support capabilities Mend is healing for the whole team and you all get shields, Maim is a nuke that you AND YOUR TEAM contributes to via damage, aka, you take the backseat, your team kills stuff with you, now you take action and everything dies. Compare that to Saryn that buffs herself, buffs herself more, heals herself, and then kills everything by herself, and you will see how even Equinox's nuke is "supportive."
found have more trouble/less of clear path trying to mod atlas then ash chroma may be because 2+3 are kind of complex or alot to memorize relative to other skills
your content is always fun, you always find things that makes no sense in this game that is almost everything lol. After 13 years they are still amateur developers.
Go watch some devstream, like the part where Meg showcase Necramech Disruption and she equip no mod at all, and let that Demolisher Necramech destroyed the conduit, or when she showcase Conjunction Survival and she summon her own Necramech but the Mausolon doesn't deal damage.
People commenting on this video with for exemple "Bro who the f.. care" or "it was not made for you" is still not realising that DE just summarized almost every warframe to only one ability or two in the best scenario, even though those very same warframe have so much more to offer without having to spend hundreds of hours into the game to undertsand it. When I watch the classification made it's like if someone in DE did not want to see more new players coming to the game Between us, it's not new that DE's communication is not that great for years...
I just had to stop the video when you called Ash "complex". He's literally one of the easiest Warframes to play, you go invisible and then you kill stuff.
He meant that his abilities have a lot of nuances/hidden mechanics that you need to use if you want to optimise his performance, like using a statstick to improve the damage of his 4, or to slide to make his 4 a bit faster (that's a bug technically a bug) or how certain Helminth abilities interact with his 4, etc.
@@FerunaLutelou Lmao then by this logic every frame should be at complex category cuz every frame has nuances/hidden mechanics and that's just stupid. If we bring Helminth into this this whole website is just useless because every frame can become damage dealers and supports and what not.
@@bakedsoupwithcakes5025 true, but regardless, even if you don't include ALL the nuances, the least you could do is include the functions of all of the abilities, perhaps with and without their augments if the augment changes the ability enough. Besides, roles and functions should be two separate categories.
For high level? Yeah I’d say so, the steel path is a test for your builds at the time you’re on arbitrations and such. If you’ve already got your build perfected then yeah you’re not going to struggle anymore, that’s kind of the rule of thumb for most games with progression, whether it’s intrinsic or extrinsic in motivation, you’ll always come out better than you were are that point in the game.
@ true for sure. I just still hope DE gives us modes with real high levels to choose from or at least special mission types where y can choose your level. Like increasing possibilities for certain loots with increasing levels. I’d just loved to play like max level missions but don’t wanna stay in mission 4 hours before reaching it. Where are the missions with level 200-500? And 500-1000? And 1000-9999? That would be something cool 🤙🏽
@@deadlydaywalkerzz1433 atm from what we were given the start of the year, they’re still experimenting with a mode that can really be an “endgame” type mission to go for, and atm I think we still need some balance changes before we can really get that. I say this because I feel like we kinda lost a fun co-op aspect when frames became more self sufficient over time, frames like Loki and trinity who were more focused on a specific role don’t really get used over frames that can do their job but with other playstyles. If we do get a new endgame mission to go for, I’m hoping it focuses on modifiers and roles for players to choose from to help make them a bit more challenging. What if damage dealers on the team had a buff but has wayy less energy or survivability as a result, what if support players get their buffs and healing buffed but give a nerf to their overall damage output on weapons and abilities, etc
@ yes I know exactly what y talking about. In my opinion even tho it’s kinda cool as a solo main I still think the biggest and worst mistake they did was the helmith. I do love the helmith on the one hand as a solo main but with that the hole problem exploded what y are talking about. With the helmith almost every frame can become everything. And with the helmith the alrdy existing problem of frames losing there role everything broke together. You don’t relay on teaming and connecting with other players anymore. Before helmith you had to talk with other players like: Ok you go trinity for health and energy, you go rhino for buff, you go frost for cc and shield etc……. I NEVER did that after helmith anymore. That in my opinion is a huge huge lose on the game Mechanik and the once unique features of every frame. Something iam very sad constant about.
let net give DE ideas and make them turn every enemy into Apex secret boss tank and make the game unfair to everyone who is not a vets with a lot of time investments and skill in this game tho
Hey 🙋🏻♂️ Do you have a build for a melee incarnon weapon ( i want the speed😁) that can kill acolytes and heavy enemies in a couple of normal hits or heavy attacks maybe slam? Without build for high combo count😮
Ha!! My Boy-ish Nezha Getting Some Love. One of Two on The List To Have More Than Two "Roles". Damage, Crowd Control and Survivability.😁😁 With a Complexity of Two. PERFECT! With That Being Said, I Agree With Knightmareframe. The Frames Pointed Out Have Much More Utility and Usefulness Than The Site Gives Them. Yareli a "Damage Frame" Is Laughable and Wisp is Only a " Support Frame"?.. Yea, No
Complex in terms of what? Moding? Play style? What do they mean by "Role"? The word choice is bad to begin with. DE, you can do a lot better than this.
My question is who's searching info on warframes here? You just have to watch some prime time to get to this conclusion too as they litteraly have someone do builds for them and tbh not that great. Still it gives a basic unmoded idea of what a frame can do and gives a general approach on what a beginner should focus on by the role they have. I personnaly don't see why an advenced player would look at their site instead of testing in game for themselves the pros and cons of a frame or just wtach a video on yt even tho there's crap everywhere it's better than put vitality and redirection on all frames as beginner tend to do.
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The WF Roles: www.warframe.com/game/warframes
This can also mislead new players who are looking for a specific "ROLE".
KnightmareFrame I think this list is way more meant for new players than it is for longtime hardcore players. For example a Warframe like Chroma can be categorized as very complex for new players because almost everyone of his abilties can offer multiple buffs depending on the colours you use on him and a lot of new players for sure have problems with this colour mechanic to understand how they can get his abilties to have the effects they want to use, also chroma needs a lot of investment like Forma and good lategame mods to make is damage and survivabiltiy buffs good. And also a lot of Warframes can be relatively simple to kind of understand what their abilties do and have them be very good in early game but also still have a lot of nuance and offer a lot of complexity in late game as well, I think Mag is a great example for this you understand what her abilties do as a newb like make a bubble that pulls enemys in and stuff like that and yet when you want to master this Warframe and make her strong in late this Warframe suddenly become a lot more complex. This is called being easy to learn but difficult to master, I really think you should see this list more from that perspective.
@@danhalo1405 Facts lmao
Yareli: Crowd controls with her 1 and 4, tanks with her 2, and heals Merulina with her augment. Gains 100k+ HP on Merulina after pressing 2 and waiting for 4 seconds while loads of enemies shoot her on steel path.
DE: This is a damage warframe.
Yareli: :0
@@Tetsugen_yes she is a damage warframe. her abilities let her do more damage while also cc’ing in the process.
@@Tetsugen_ I mean her 3 is "meant to do damage" (they tried their best) and her passive/1 literally make you do more damage
Must be a slow news day in KnightmareFrame land.
this whole video feels like a☝🤓 "Well actually" energy
cause it is cause "AKSHUALLY"
Can someone please explain to me the "Well actually" thing, and how it's bad to have an opinion ?
@@MEYH3Mit’s time to log off of RUclips bud and anything else you use
This is for people who are probably just getting into the game. For people who are high tier high level players this website is obviously a joke. I think that's possibly the point people who have played the game for a long time obviously know and should know that this website is more of an introduction for people to get familiarized with the game. There's something to be said when your trying to simplify down a game that's pretty complex and that's gone through a lot of changes over the past 10+ something pretty much 11 years. This website isn't for the pro players of Warframe.
Gotta change the title of the video holmes, it's the website. I doubt anyone ever looks at the website to see what a warframe can do. Would be nice if they updated it and did better but it's a bit rich to say that DE does not play their game, Probably there's an intern editing this site.
I mean the games direction recently makes the title feel true. I'm sorry I guess IDK what I expected but more rep grinds is not it.
It’s not rich DE doesn’t play their game and no one looks at the main Warframe website with all the players they have? That just makes no sense.
@@noahvalenzuela2480you people just started playing Warframe or something? Rep grinds have been a thing for a decade it ain’t going nowhere.
@@cloutyweather doesnt mean we want more of them tf 😭
@@leahcim6663 it’s been that way for a long ass time tho, why fix what isn’t broken at that point?
I mean, your points about the categories are valid, but its a bit disingenuous to approach this from an endgame perspective when this seems aimed at new players to get a quick intro to the warframes.
We're talking no augments, no helminth, no arcanes, synergy, etc. Base kit on star chart mission type shit. Granted there are still some glaring misses on there 😂
I think the main problem is warframes be doing so much these days that you could apply like 5 categories to most of them
a lot of his example is in the main kit tho like Yareli, two of her ability is literally cc but there is no cc tag
@@sax7760 To be fair, Yareli's 2 abilities that have cc are primarily designed to help with dps and the cc aspect is more of a secondary bonus type of thing, which i am assuming is the reason they wouldn't give her that tag
That's not a good thing, DE should incentivize new players to learn to make builds, that is why so many people quit early.
Instead of teaching people the ropes, they instead nerf even the easiest of missions, for example they nerfed the H-09 boss from the 1999 Quest post launch even tho it already was extremely easy to begin with and you play as Arthur with a pre made build that is more then enough for the boss, as a result of that a Boss that used to take 1-2 min to beat, now takes 30 sec, this is not OK because for most people that is the only time they will ever fight that boss, because casual players only play quests and then go back to other games. they should teach the mechanics of the boss instead of nerfing it to the ground.
If you only even win because it's too easy, you will quickly loose intrest. If you only ever loose if it's hard, you will most likely give up. So people play the quest, loose interest and leave because it has no depth.
@@sax7760those cc abilities tie directly into her ability to slaughter.
only baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino should have damage added. everyone else is fine. i dont see an issue. someone care to try to correct me?
More like a reflection how the Devs think how their frames are received, not how the community views them to be. Such a disconnection here, but it could be worst
the website is for new players. thats why DE had to make it simple as possible.
Facts also he's taking these roles entirely too literally it's kind of annoying
I GOT MY PSF TODAY! I ALREADY FEEL THE DPS INCREASE
Ok ok we all know that some of de play wf, but ppl who made this 100% do not
Exactly. I didn't know this site existed and after seeing it, I regret discovering it.
Can't say I agree. Looking over it, all of these seem accurate and how the frames are being utilized. I think those ratings are more to be seen as the capability of the Warframes than their absolute potential. For instance Excalibur is rated as pure Damage, but a frame like Gyre who is rated as Control would generally out damage him. But Excalibur can only do damage. He has nothing else going on. So him dealing poor damage doesn't mean that isn't his role.
mag at least should have damage on her, use 2 and 4 and everything is dead. At least she kills thing easier than most warframes they say to be damage warframes, lets not even talk about gauss.
@@ReallyBadJosy It's true that she does, but her control aspect is way more pronounced and unique than that, and more fundamental to her kit. Like I said; those rankings seem to just display the striking characteristic of a character than actual performance.
@@ReallyBadJosyshe has pull and crush. those are cc.
Literally unplayable. What a disaster!
Dead is definitely a CC! If they're dead, they can't move! 😂
I mean the list is mostly for new Tenno. Most of if not the majority of the player base outside of that barely go to the site besides the forums, update information and other stuff etc. It’s still helpful though because it familiarizes people with the frames. Sure the list could use a little touch up but that’s fine it’ll happen in time ( I guess )
Nyx not being labeled as tank while she can literally pop 4 with augment and go afk for 5 minutes:
Thats not tanking though, thats damage prevention like Revenant does. Real tanking are those that like Inaros, Nidus, Chroma because they still take damage but they can sustain them.
@@Xul-Xata What is the practical difference besides semantics though?
@@missk1697 i’ll clarify because the other guy didn’t do it well. because it’s using an augment. that isn’t normally on her kit and you can’t just buy augments for credits. she can tank with an exception, when you start adding exceptions it no longer is what it was.
Ok so for one, you're talking absorb with the augment.
Both of those versions of absorb require a decent amount of energy upkeep to keep going, and again, assimilate tanking is considered an optional build you can use, which is why it's a mod you can get from a syndicate you may choose to avoid. Without assimilate you are technically vulnerable outside of the seconds you spend immune to damage from casting absorb.
Compare that to Rhino where he is specifically made to build a lot of overguard that prevents all damage without any drain, and that overguard is made to automatically scale with the amount of damage he takes or Revenant that automatically gives you 10-20 seconds of immortality that even a newbie could use. Neither need a mod or put a newbie under the effects of channeling (which easily overwhelm a newbie's supply of energy since 90% of energy methods don't work with it).
Also, Nyx's absorb is designed for you to absorb the damage, then deal damage, then use your other abilities to crowd control. Her kit is balanced around enemy manipulation and damage with tanking being a backseat option you rely on when they start overpowering you unless you use assimilate.
None of the game was designed to have frame roles, and now somebody tried to add tags, and they forget obvious damage roles like ash and baruuk.
People saying this is an over reaction is missing the point. In general no one is gonna see the roles here on this website. On the other hand, for a game that's been out for a decade, they could have at least shown that they know the characters in the game. These kind of simplifications are in Mobas and rpgs too, but there is power creep that changes the complexity scale and what certain characters can do. We know what these frames can do, and the average warframe player can scale and categorize them properly. This was not made by someone who plays warframe. Not all avenues need to be explored in terms of builds as that's up to the player, but if you're a new player who doesn't like looking up guides and sees this screen, they might take it as what these characters are capable of full stop.
The average player cannot actually scale these frames as most players do not do endurance runs or stress test. They do quick missions and that's all. They are literally taught the game is quick run through the map kill and leave. The only actual mission that "average" players tend to do for long are void missions for argon shards.
Is anyone else supper excited about the surge in new players recently im so happy to see my favourite game finnaly get tge attention it deserves
I knew someone would do a video on this.. I was looking at the roles and stuff and was also like.. why is this.. this? I wish they would refine the page not to confuse any newer players.
And somehow we are still lucky with these devs, compare warframe with other games and you will know why!
"Right side is crowd control, left side is cemetery."
Kinda funny that hildryn has only damage. She didn't even do that much damage until recently when she got that augment LOL
she does dmg but it’s godawful. only 1 cc ability so she isn’t that. isn’t stealth, is a poor tank. she’s support and damage imo
I feel like the website is trying to show what the Warframe's kit was originally designed for while you're looking at the website as what the Warframe's potential is, which obviously 2 completely different perspectives. You are correct though that there is some glaring misinformation on the page. That being said however, having "roles" in a game as customizable as this is just pointless altogether. You can make just about any frame fit whatever "role" you want. Not to mention giving something a role without clearly defining what said role is / does or why they were given that role invalidates the entire purpose of the page.
If I'm a new player, it would give me an idea how a Warframe works "generally". From your perspective and experience, it would be different.
Sorry to say that but ever in only this point of view is bad make better just look af the ability and in game tip on the warframe you can see if you click on "Ability " where you open "Arsenal" it will do af least 10x better job
people don't understand that giving misinformation is worse than giving right information. so i hope they update the stuff there
I think these are just for new players
100%. Us experienced players already know what frames do what
If is it done bad
bro, ash is not complex. you go invis and you kill things. fucker there is no nuance. yeah you right with banshee though.
that was exactly true they dont know their own game.
This is OBVIOUSLY not designed for players who have every mod/shard at their disposal. And MAYBE, just maybe this is an amalgamation of how the frames were designed & INTENDED to be played, rather than how the players actually play them. Just a suggestion, just an idea. Anyone who plays and is any good at Warframe knows that the way we play is not the way the devs play or "want" us to play.
U can say that until the croud control tag, cause that just shows that de doesnt know what cc is, its not about how they inteded the wf to be played if his ability has cc THEN PUT THE TRAIT IN
2 mins into the video, banshe as a CC frame and not damage, 1/5 complexity. This is gonna be fun
so the catch is that if they did solidify PURPOSE for each role, it would add to the complexity of the game. While there are positives to that, a lot of that would be more focused on elaborate pve or pvp. in its current game, warframe "roles" is pointless
well to be fair chroma has 4 elements each has its own function and different uses on other warframe
I'd say they just decide the role based on their base ability and base mods, not some crazy game breaking builds/interactions that require veterans to figure out. Ash's complexity is literally 1 , throw shuriken, smoke grenade, teleport and aoe stealth attack, simple and straight forward, not much explanation needed...
It's mainly for new players i suppose, since they don't know about game breaking mods and buffs.
I kinda get your point but if you look at it like that then every Warframe has to get every role. Because with the right build every frame can do anything.
I don't think Banshee, Loki, and Limbo can tank, or even play as a bruiser.
@Xul-Xata trust me, with some eclipse and shield regen from arcane aegis and some other shit every frame can tank
@@Xul-Xata They can, doesn't mean it's effective or optimal.
@@schneesammler3036just because they can doesn’t mean they’ll hold up against lv1k enemies like nidus can. i could make qorvex a support frame by adding nourish, doesn’t make him one just because i added it.
@@cwj2733 i have used a level 1 excalibur without mods for a levelcap survival. Worked fine.
Bro who the f cares
I feel like a lot of these complexity complaints are just based on nada.
Like who gives a fuck if an ability has some niche use. Or you could possibly play the warframe in some way that is complex. The complexity is probably based on how hard it is to understand how your abilities work.
Chroma has a giant wall of text on his abilities.
Ash on the other hand, light work to understand.
Same with Banshee.
Equinox hard to understand since you need to know the effects of 2 warframes.
Gauss pretty straight forward but has a new mechanic. 3 stars.
Mag super simple but has some synergy stuff. 2 stars
Or other dumb stuff like how is wisp a support. Ive never seen a wisp do anything other than support. Could you do something cool sure. But its niche.
Also ive seen Yareli hit damage cap negative damage with that ult but is somehow just crowd control. Like yes maybe some of these are dumb but so are you.
hard agree with you brother
over reacting in my pov, sure but its like this since more then 5 years, or that de just wanted them order just to 1 group to make it simpler?
Roles, shmoles. Can we talk about the issue about the crazy amount of eximus units spawning lately? It's like 1 in every 3 enemy has overguard. Thrax phantoms even have overguard that heckin regenerates :I
To enforce players running magnetic more. The keyword being enFORCE
You players wanted a new meta, new enemies, new mods, new build requirements etc.
Can’t handle when it’s implemented.
Radial Suck dem is crazy.......
AOE succ
The bard must be a support thats the rule.
my head hurts
Ash is absolutely not complex
Ash is not complex, but making it useful in many situation is expensive (with augment mods and shards) with some complexity.
all frames are not complex if you don't want to invest to much into building them.
and all frames are super complex if you want to squeeze out all of their potential.
I'm pretty sure the site was for general conception and ideal when the warframe frame's were created.
All warframes should have the stealth symbol.
They are all stealth if there is no one to notice that your there 😂😂
Strict archetypes are boring anyway
I'm sad you didn't comment on the Hildryn tag which was my personal favorite xdd
.......are you serious?
Just because the title is rage-baity doesn't mean his points are invalid. Styanex can have over 1 million overguard, but does not show as survivability. I could understand the WIKI having inaccuracies, but not this.
I miss those overguard days 😭
because his main goal isn’t to survive??
If this is really for new players, then they should be labeled as the character is intended to be played as. Ash is a stealth frame for new players, they're not going to be minmaxing for crazy builds just yet. When i was new to the game, i didn't even know what a potato was or how the mods worked. Ash was a bare-bones stealth frane for a good minute for me
.... You get ash from RJ mission and his 4 use melee weapon stat and mod
@@bazukata3734 Before that you got Ash from Manic enemies and before that you got him simply from a boss...
@@BANSPIDAKI what boss? Is it still drop or you mean is move?
@@bazukata3734 I quit the game around the time Railjack became super prominent for the story content. I hate it, and it's not how I got Ash. You're also pretending people can't buy a frame early on or get a prime through luck
@@sketchysketches381 ash prime is vaulted get ash by luck is no go.
Can you pls tell me what boss use to drop his part?
Me using operator for every single mission:👁️👄👁️
Honestly I think it’s more that the damage category is redundant as almost every warframe should have it
Jades a healer but will delete rooms
Dante a support but will also delete rooms
Octavia is support but will …
You get my point
Only the horribly power crept warframs like loki are exceptions
They definitely need to revise those stats on that website mainly removing damage entirely or giving it out generously and work on the difficulty ratings
Damn I haven’t watched in a long time and it’s still just baiting and crying about little things lmao.
This is meant for newer players to get a simple grasp on some frames, simple.
new players or not. it's still misleading and false information. DE should teach new players the proper ropes of the game instead of nerfing missions to the ground to accommodate their lack of game knowledge. As a once new player, it doesn't feel good to be left in the dark about important game knowledge cuz the game lack proper tutorials and half the info it does give you is downright wrong.
@@MEYH3Mwhy are you all over the comment section defending.. whatever it is you’re defending? the list is 95% accurate. baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino should al have damage added and that’s it
@@cwj2733 I am not defending Knightmare's POV, i am not even against the idea of the web site. I just don't like misleading info, it's never a good thing to give false info to new players, this is my pov.
@@MEYH3M this isn’t false information???? like i said every wf is fine except baruuk gyre octavia and rhino
@@cwj2733 Except it's not only "baruuk gyre octavia and rhino" lol
Taking notes.
That tab is a guide for new players, so zero augments, zero Arcanes, zero enemies over level 100. It's basically the character's kit from the eyes of a mastery 0.
and It is still wrong tho. Ash having less complexity than Atlas should give it away
@@kaze_829 Ash from a mastery 0 point of view is: throwing things that kill, invisibility, teleportation that kills and summoning things that kill.
And u can say that is true to at least 50% of the warframes. Atlas is press 1, then 1, 1 again and after that, press 1. Excal is press 4 and then spam E.
@@kaze_829 Atlas's abilities do different things even if half of them are useless.
@@brago900 and again, that applies to every warframe in the game. See, trying to use the logic of "from a mastery 0 perspective" is pointless bc it starts from the absence of knowledge.
This new Warframe community has grown insufferable yall have grown into the most spoiled brats
Vouch
Fr, full of ☝️🥸 weirdos
honestly I think this is not that controversial. For long time supporters and players, yall know that we know our warframes. They just need the attention span of new players, who have never tried and know what's behind warframe. So making the story quests and introduction new player friendly, as well as this gripping RPG-lookalike-class-system, I'd say its to attract new players and not something for the oldbies to be bugged about. Like we all know what them warfarmers are capable of, who needs this RPG role system the moment u reach MR6
Rageing about this is kinda nitpickin.
I can see no rage in this video.
this website is miss leading people
@@Calaman228why? because baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino don’t have damage on them? womp womp, these frames are listed the way they came out and play with all 4 abilities
@@cwj2733 theres a difference between weapon platforms and ability nukers, DE put them in ''damage'' categorry
@@Calaman228 they do damage. that’s the whole point of damage whether it be abilities or abilities that let the guns do the work.
He always talks a big game and much BIG damage he does but he never solos anything. He always uses he squads buff to get all that.
lol are you kidding? ive watched he soloing to 9999 many times on stream. But people wanna play with him on stream, he is a streamer, his community is how he makes money. And warframe is an easy game, there is no difficulty in soloing as it is also not that fun to just spam damagew on enemies in missions that are the same after 12 years.
it is base on how they look like WTF ! DE
I love watching his videos. He makes me laugh so much." Chroma's tickle tickle"😂 have a good day everyone
well tbf, ash you just use whatever ability you want in casual play, and it will work, atlas you press 2 and 1, technically "more complex" so I agree on DE's part
Why does my Gara only damage and tank? Meanwhile I can support and CC 😒
hopefully oberon gets his rework next
I hope so to, he's my favorite frame, but feels rather outdated.
Chroma is actually an A tier frame. We are all just too stupid how to play him, because he is just so complex.
how is he complex? just use 2nd and 3rd ability then murder everything else. who use 1st and 4th?
@00_Exia Dude… I wasn’t being serious. It was a jab at DE because THEY labeled Chroma as complex, even though he really isn’t. I also don’t really think he is A tier btw, he is a low C tier imo
@@simonpallan9771 me too, it really made no sense. I wish they like put grades on a single Warframe with different categories and levels instead of a single category for like. Harrow has a grade A support with grade B crowd control skills. you know so that new players would get it.
@@simonpallan9771 it's complex because give a newbie chroma and then they'll be like "ok, what the heck does elemental ward do? there's 4 elements with different effects? So how do i use each of them?? and on top of that there's vex armor and then there's effigy which removes your armor and gives you... credits?"
Baiting with forced negativity is getting very old
make a guide on how to beat the tank boss in hard mode (when the two hidden terminals are activated)
Play mirage to finish it fast or use shield regen mods to survive and use good weapons like latron incarnon for armor strip and lex incarnon for dmg. Got all the glyphs using this approach. Can also go for slam build or exodia contagion.
seeing as it was made by wf seems good enough
it's wf everyone has dps at this point so if you ignore that and the overtuned nature of frames this was likely the og roles meant for frames before they went live
cant force metas i suppose de
They should make this list votable then if anyone have problems with the outcome go argue with the community😂.
pretty sure overframe is a clear example of why this wouldnt work
@m0gu1l nope, it work perfectly who will blame DE for that ?
Hell no have you seen over frame tier list Warframe players should not vote for anything
@@米切爾魏特曼 Trinity is still above Hildryn, that shit doesn't work
@@DawnAfternoon But who will blame the hoster ?
im pretty sure its made for people for aren't new to warframe or those who just started playing it. Think in a state of mind of a brand new player, your not thinking all warframes in their endgame state, but only what the DE explains what the warframe intentions were and are.
HAH, yeah, chroma is NOT complex. Slap Nourish on 4, build for strength and duration and just stack 3rd ability. That's it - point and shoot. WOW, so complex.
can we talk about horrible veilguard like dialogue choices for the proto-frames instead, who cares about beginners, this isn't a type of game where 1 resouce can explain everything anyway
Feels like you intentionally missed the point of the roles/who the target is too begin with...
Shame, a different approach to this and it would've been an interesting vid tbh
What's the point? That they're objectively wrong almost every time? "But it's for the new players who don't know nothin'", yeah, well, if I was a new player the last thing I would want from a game is for it to lie to me and waste my time and effort. New players that don't pay have very limited resources, and this helpful "guide" would make them throw away the tools they need to succeed more efficiently.
@@FerunaLuteloubro what tools, u have no mods, no arcanes, no helment, no utility weapons, nothing, as someone that got 5 people into the game I agree with the list more or less, if they gonna include every lil detail newbies gonna leave, wf is already hard enough for beginners no need to make it even harder, what would be great if they fix the damn codex aka make it usefull, and bring this list into the game inself, no one is gonna look for this on their site… again I can make ash a dmg dealer bcs I have all the tools, but my friend (even though he plays a lot) cant, Bcs he started playing not so long ago, and if u wanna play on a specific character I think we both know that people gonna look for builds on yt and not look at that list, but hey thats just my opinion, the list looks okay for beginners 😊
@@FerunaLutelouhow would you know you got lied to if you’re new? that’s paradoxical. these frames are listed for what they do when they came out with all 4 abilities. only additions that need to be made is damage on baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino
There's a difference between how you play and how another plays... I play my Citrine with a Crystallize build simply because it's superior for team play. Koumei? Yeah, she's a better elementalist. Is how I play wrong? I'd ask you the same question, because Warframe has no endgame, yet you play like there is. DE designed each Warframe a specific way, but it's the players, not the devs, who choose how to play that Warframe. You'd do well to remember that. If all you want to do is rage bait, let me tell you about the downfall of AGayGuyPlays, someone who had it all, but slowly became nothing but a whiny bitch that nobody liked. One day the rage bait will run dry, and like channels before, this one will day. I suggest you get back to whats important. Enjoyable content that informs the player about various builds.
They don't want to admit that the game balance went to shit and we live in a powercrept shit show, most of frames literally can do everything
tbh yareli is my favorite endurance frame
I agree with their roles DE gave for the most part. Although the difficulty rating sucks. This chart is to appeal to new players. You wouldn't want a new player to get overwhelmed with information explaining why "Ash" can be a damage frame. If you watch how much prep work it took to make his 4th work. Mass viral priming. If you used his 4th without any priming or helminth, we will know, it's not great. Even at its best, it's easily outperformed by many other frames. This is to simplify to new players in regular star charts how you might expect to play this frame when you have little access to resources and power ie. Helminth, archon shards, galve mods, and prime mods, and even certain weapons
Well i just think about when DE relased jade there stream while rebbeca said look at this new misson Elevator misson its so mutch fun.... was like wtf is this, i'm a one of the OG players that where there at start bu now i just comes and go every year just waiting for new updates to hit to see if tehre is anything new to do. but for the past years all i see now i bounty misson for every new frame (exept jade) and i'm so tierd of bountys i can't be the only one.
While I can agree that bounties can be annoying (even tho we have pity now, thank god) I don't agree with your statement. If we pick every frame released from 2022, only Gyre, Qorvex and Cyte-09 are bounty ones. While Styanax, Voruna, Citrine, Kullervo, Dagath, Dante, Jade and Koumei are not.
If we count every warframe released since Gara, 1st warframe that came in with new bounty system, we count a grand total of 7 warframes that can drop as a reward from a bounty, out of 26 newly released frames.
You should submit your roster changes to DE. So they can ignore it.
Who cares my dude? This is just to give new players a rough idea, it wasn't made for you.
thats even worse, if new players follow the ratings from the website they will have a harder time than they should
@@albval7778 How so?
@@BioKekbecause the website is blatantly wrong in many cases and they’re giving new players false info
Misleading and confusing new players is never ok, especially when it comes from the developers of the game because they are the ones most responsible.
@@rdavila8964it’s only wrong with baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino. all 4 of them should have damage. literally everyone else fits with abilities and passives. i dont understand this video to say the least and the people that agree with KMF.
This is remind me of League of legends champions describsion :D Seems like its a problem for any game, when developers dont play this game.
Vladimir classed as Mage/Tank, and no sane person would build him as a tank.
@@Xul-Xata Well there has been time where Tank Vlad has been a thing with Spirit Visage and RoA.
Warframe devs play their game but this is just done for new players who are used to roles being simple
@@coolgamer3646 Sure, some of them. But im sure not all, and seems like dude responsible for this ''Roles'' not one of them :D
Why are people disliking the video so much? He is right about a lot of the frames. Comments like "website is trying to show what the Warframe's kit was originally designed for while you're looking at the website as what the Warframe's potential is" is bullshit. You're telling me based on 1 ability ONLY, Equinox is designed to be ONLY a support? Y'all licking DEs ass too much.
That's loaded as fuck you know right.
Each Ability from each version does something for your team in some fashion. Maim is the only fundamentally damage oriented ability meant for killing enemies.
R&R? CC or Vulnerability.
P&P? Enemies do less damage or Ability Strength for team
Mend is literally just health energy vampire.
You're being fking dramatic as shit.
He's objectively being an idiot and whiney because the conditions they've applied to frames are just structural overviews, nothing more.
Being designed for one thing and being primarily designed for a certain playstyle are 2 very different things and i genuinely don't think anyone in this comment section is arguing that the roles they gave on the website is the only thing a frame can do.
No, he’s not lol. As much as he says that the devs don’t play their game. He too, does not play the game. I won’t be crazy and say he’s completely wrong but some of these takes on majority of Warframes are just braindead. Also complaining that some of these characters should have support or CC labels but then subsuming those same abilities for nourish on all of your builds and posting them on yt every build guide is why he’s a bot.
i dislike it because he’s coming from a vets approach. only thing wrong with the list is damage needing added to baruuk, gyre, octavia and rhino
uhm....
Rest is cc, Rage is enemies take more damage
Pacify is damage reduction from enemies (aka it helps everyone, not just equinox) and Provoke buffs your team's power strength aka their abilities that give them their CC, Damage, Tanking and Support capabilities
Mend is healing for the whole team and you all get shields, Maim is a nuke that you AND YOUR TEAM contributes to via damage, aka, you take the backseat, your team kills stuff with you, now you take action and everything dies.
Compare that to Saryn that buffs herself, buffs herself more, heals herself, and then kills everything by herself, and you will see how even Equinox's nuke is "supportive."
Love ur vids man
Yeah nightmare guy your awesome there where some stuff i didnt understand until you explained it im a build and modder at heart
found have more trouble/less of clear path trying to mod atlas then ash
chroma may be because 2+3 are kind of complex or alot to memorize relative to other skills
your content is always fun, you always find things that makes no sense in this game that is almost everything lol. After 13 years they are still amateur developers.
They are definitely not amateurs
@@oikurero8110they are
@@archonnova20 in what way are they "amateurs"
Go watch some devstream, like the part where Meg showcase Necramech Disruption and she equip no mod at all, and let that Demolisher Necramech destroyed the conduit, or when she showcase Conjunction Survival and she summon her own Necramech but the Mausolon doesn't deal damage.
@@Xul-Xata megan is not a dev, she's the community manager. Think before you speak.
I have a question if you use sonar and cyte 09 first ability can you see sonar weakpoints through walls ?
Warframe website is VERY WRONG! I agree with you said. People should know about wisp is support and damage for helped on team.
People commenting on this video with for exemple "Bro who the f.. care" or "it was not made for you" is still not realising that DE just summarized almost every warframe to only one ability or two in the best scenario, even though those very same warframe have so much more to offer without having to spend hundreds of hours into the game to undertsand it.
When I watch the classification made it's like if someone in DE did not want to see more new players coming to the game
Between us, it's not new that DE's communication is not that great for years...
How old is this? Like when did they start making that... well most players get ushered to wiki and youtube if they really care.
EZ, every other weapons in Warframe [THE DPS]. Warframes the support to the DPS.
Is this helping for new Tenno's or is this about you¿
If you watch his other stuff you'd realize very quick it's about him
This is just semantics the video.
I just had to stop the video when you called Ash "complex".
He's literally one of the easiest Warframes to play, you go invisible and then you kill stuff.
He meant that his abilities have a lot of nuances/hidden mechanics that you need to use if you want to optimise his performance, like using a statstick to improve the damage of his 4, or to slide to make his 4 a bit faster (that's a bug technically a bug) or how certain Helminth abilities interact with his 4, etc.
I'm pretty sure he don't need YOU to watch the video, farewell. P.S. stick to your "kill stuff" things.
He’s referring to the mechanics behind his abilities
@@FerunaLutelou Lmao then by this logic every frame should be at complex category cuz every frame has nuances/hidden mechanics and that's just stupid. If we bring Helminth into this this whole website is just useless because every frame can become damage dealers and supports and what not.
@@bakedsoupwithcakes5025 true, but regardless, even if you don't include ALL the nuances, the least you could do is include the functions of all of the abilities, perhaps with and without their augments if the augment changes the ability enough. Besides, roles and functions should be two separate categories.
banshee i would say damage support
Just keep in mind DE thinks Steel Path is hard and high level…..
For high level? Yeah I’d say so, the steel path is a test for your builds at the time you’re on arbitrations and such.
If you’ve already got your build perfected then yeah you’re not going to struggle anymore, that’s kind of the rule of thumb for most games with progression, whether it’s intrinsic or extrinsic in motivation, you’ll always come out better than you were are that point in the game.
@ true for sure. I just still hope DE gives us modes with real high levels to choose from or at least special mission types where y can choose your level. Like increasing possibilities for certain loots with increasing levels. I’d just loved to play like max level missions but don’t wanna stay in mission 4 hours before reaching it.
Where are the missions with level 200-500?
And 500-1000?
And 1000-9999?
That would be something cool 🤙🏽
@@deadlydaywalkerzz1433 atm from what we were given the start of the year, they’re still experimenting with a mode that can really be an “endgame” type mission to go for, and atm I think we still need some balance changes before we can really get that.
I say this because I feel like we kinda lost a fun co-op aspect when frames became more self sufficient over time, frames like Loki and trinity who were more focused on a specific role don’t really get used over frames that can do their job but with other playstyles.
If we do get a new endgame mission to go for, I’m hoping it focuses on modifiers and roles for players to choose from to help make them a bit more challenging. What if damage dealers on the team had a buff but has wayy less energy or survivability as a result, what if support players get their buffs and healing buffed but give a nerf to their overall damage output on weapons and abilities, etc
@ yes I know exactly what y talking about. In my opinion even tho it’s kinda cool as a solo main I still think the biggest and worst mistake they did was the helmith. I do love the helmith on the one hand as a solo main but with that the hole problem exploded what y are talking about. With the helmith almost every frame can become everything. And with the helmith the alrdy existing problem of frames losing there role everything broke together. You don’t relay on teaming and connecting with other players anymore. Before helmith you had to talk with other players like: Ok you go trinity for health and energy, you go rhino for buff, you go frost for cc and shield etc……. I NEVER did that after helmith anymore.
That in my opinion is a huge huge lose on the game Mechanik and the once unique features of every frame.
Something iam very sad constant about.
let net give DE ideas and make them turn every enemy into Apex secret boss tank and make the game unfair to everyone who is not a vets with a lot of time investments and skill in this game tho
Hey 🙋🏻♂️
Do you have a build for a melee incarnon weapon ( i want the speed😁) that can kill acolytes and heavy enemies in a couple of normal hits or heavy attacks maybe slam? Without build for high combo count😮
Tenet Exec with Galva Reflex and the corrosive damage arcane. Just Stack crit and damage, nuke rooms with it.
Ha!!
My Boy-ish Nezha Getting Some Love.
One of Two on The List To Have More Than Two "Roles".
Damage, Crowd Control and Survivability.😁😁
With a Complexity of Two.
PERFECT!
With That Being Said, I Agree With Knightmareframe.
The Frames Pointed Out Have Much More Utility and Usefulness Than The Site Gives Them.
Yareli a "Damage Frame" Is Laughable and
Wisp is Only a
" Support Frame"?..
Yea, No
Complex in terms of what? Moding? Play style? What do they mean by "Role"? The word choice is bad to begin with. DE, you can do a lot better than this.
DE staff plays their game.
with close to none game knowledge
My question is who's searching info on warframes here?
You just have to watch some prime time to get to this conclusion too as they litteraly have someone do builds for them and tbh not that great.
Still it gives a basic unmoded idea of what a frame can do and gives a general approach on what a beginner should focus on by the role they have. I personnaly don't see why an advenced player would look at their site instead of testing in game for themselves the pros and cons of a frame or just wtach a video on yt even tho there's crap everywhere it's better than put vitality and redirection on all frames as beginner tend to do.