In regards to the chipset fan. I have an Abit A17 motherboard I use in my Windows 98 machine. The fan was unbearably loud so I just unpluged it and I haven't had any issues. The heatsink never got hot to the point where you couldn't touch. I hope this helps a little.
For the chipset, you could try searching in electromyne or ebay some generic motherboard heatsink (and you can add a cooler later on if the heatsink isn't enough); as for the cooler master, I would rather grab my trusty arctic cooling supero silent 4, which ran quite well (as far as I remember). EDIT: Spelling
Phil check the cooler compared to stock one, probably it delivers the same in performance but with the benefit of low sound. 70+ is high, heating/stress should be done with prime95-it is a very common/known program to the community. In order to compare you need the stock one as a benchmark. Disabling the fan is not a good method.
The Pentium 4 utilize the instruction "NOP" which basically is "Do-nothing" for one clock-cycle instead of frequency scaling. This generates no heat and ensures that the Pentium does not have to change frequency. This is important since the Pentium 4 CPUs use double-pump integers (basically runs two of the simple integer units at double frequency) and a very deep pipeline. Full Frequency + NOP interlaced ensure responsiveness and lower power draw. For those interested Anandtech have some great reviews about Pentium 4 and the difference between different Pentium 4 architectures.
fun fact - it was cheaper brand new in ~2000, I paid about $4 for those(or very similar, might of even been a little heavier), they were the cheapest crappiest coolers you could get
Jesus tap dancing christ that heatsink is HORRIBLE. This chip has a rated maximum of 70C. Anything above 60C was unacceptable "back in the day". That heatsink should not be used for any chip.
The Zalman 7000 heatsinks are adequate for all but the hottest of chips - That said ALPHA made the BEST heatsinks money could buy. They still make them: www.alphanovatech.com/en/c_pal8942e.html They keep my 3.4EE chip at 50c with a decent fan.
And then there is the difference between Tcase and Tjmax. The first is the packagate temperature and usually the one Intel hands out as long term maximum. The later is the shutdown temperature in the cores. Usually sits in the 80-105°C range. Advised to stay around 20° below that. And the chips generally run around 10-20° hotter than the package.
I'd say that you don't need a new Northbridge cooler, you just need a new fan for the old heatsink. There are two or three screws (I'm sure you've noticed) and those fans are pretty cheap on Ebay. I have repaired many old and very noisy coolers that way. Same goes for some old PCI graphic cards with this kind of cooling.
I found a box of retro PC Components and accessories, it had 3 similar heatsinks to this one, might need to change over my awful OEM one on my Retro PC for something a tad better like this... Or just keep a massive fan pointed at it.
I'd suggest using Prime95 when doing stress tests. It probably wouldn't mess with the OS like CPU-Z does (it hasn't done that on the 2 PCs I've used it on), and it also heats up the CPU like nothing else I've tried. Very good for finding stable core voltages.
I am using Aida 64 stress test which makes CPU that hot that people don't believe to me that it can have such temperature, everyone is testing it just in games 😀
Hi Phil, I used to have an Abit IC7-G motherboard back in the day. Had the same problem with the northbridge fan as well. Actually I had 2 problems: 1. The fan made a lot of noise, that I fixed by removing the standard fan and replacing it with a 40x40mm fan that I glued directly to the heatsink, worked perfectly for years! 2. The heatsink itself fell of the motherboard while the computer was powered on. That resulted in a broken motherboard, it happened twice, but to be fair it was replaced under warranty by Abit without a problem. I was adamant to not let my 3rd board die. The northbridge heatsink is mounted to the motherboard with 2 hooks, which are soldered on the PCB. I noticed these had come of before. So when I received my 3rd board I immediately desoldered these hooks and pushed them in a bit further through the PCB. This enabled me to bend the ends of these hooks on the back of the PCB to create a mechanical hook, I didn't bother to solder them back in, but it held on for years.
Let my Intel 'original' 865 PERL introduce itself to you with it's Northbridge chipset soldered onto the board. Yeah not the hooks, or retainers but the sink itself is fixed permanently with 4 pins soldered onto the board. This didn't require a fan though.
@@Wingedmechanic Yeah, Intel desktop boards usually had their northbridge heatsinks directly soldered in. Not sure if all P4 era Intel Desktop Boards had them but I remember a handful of the 865 ones I had were done that way.
I always wondered if those heatsinks were any good. And holy crap that it the EXACT motherboard I use to have!! I had a Zalman 7000 ALCU cooler, reason being is I had a 3GHz PrescHOTT.
lRaziel1 mine was the same way with the stock cooler. Mine would hit 85c within 2 minutes of Doom 3 and then a few minutes later completely shut down. Talk about a quality cooler!
That looks like a knockoff and not a real Cooler Master "A73" cooler. Just look that model number on Newegg and on the photos it has more fins and also a much thicker base. So basically it's a fake A73. And the heatsink itself looks sooo cheap. For $6 i think you could find much much better heatsinks on the used market/eBay.
The reason the Pentium 4 doesn't clock throttle is because it can't. No desktop Pentium 4 on the 478 socket had clock ramping support. The only thermal throttling protection available on this chip is flooding the pipeline with NOPs to reduce the workload, which reduces the temperature.
I have a CoolerMaster for socket478 right here in the original retail box. Yours has a lighter heatsink with fewer fins, but a bigger fan, so probably about the same in total cooling effect. (Guessing yours is either a knockoff or a late model meant for the salvage trade.) I have a Northwood 3.08GHz in this box -- been running at solid 100% for 15 minutes (cuz RUclips's HTML5 does that) and is at 70C (higher than normal, it needs to be dusted). When it's doing nothing much it runs at about 35-40C. The heatsink is a Thermaltake copper core, with a case-type fan. Of course being inside a case it doesn't get quite the circulation of lying out in the open, which adds a few degrees.
I remember that this pc would have been top of the line in 2002.
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For chipset cooler, I simply googled it and found a few sellers on ebay. The one I picked shipped the exact same thing that was originally on the board - for a few bucks.
I've used a lot of Cooler Master products over the years and there's no way that's a real one. Knew the moment I saw the lack of fins. Well, that and the box/labels. Love that company. They make really good stuff and often make coolers for sockets other companies don't bother with. For instance, a few years ago I needed a CPU cooler for an ITX board that actually used laptop CPUs. I think it was Socket P? Anyhow, fantastic tiny heatsink & fan. And then on the other end, I swear by their enormous ones with lots of heat pipes for my modern overclocked systems (I'm rockin' a Hyper 212 Plus currently). Can't say I'm surprised they're getting faked and cloned. Was interesting to see how such a cheapo cooler actually fared. Keep up the good work, sir.
GTAMan15 I have 2.8GHz OC (from stock 1.8GHz in my C2D E6320) with stock C2Q cooler (more big than C2D cooler) and rasonable temps. It hit 3GHz with Big Typhoon VX with excelent temps. This adventure was in 2011 so I dont remember exact temps!
Not much mass on the base. So heat wont spread very evenly to the fins. I suspect it may do better with a northwood that has a lower voltage speck of 1.425 vs 1.475. (some even exceeded 1.525). It may also be possible to undervolt that cpu to 1.400 to gain a couple C and keep it away from throttling a bit more.
I'm currently awaiting a Masscool 9T370B1M3G with all copper heatsink and ball bearing fan on import from the USA from eBay. Definitely pricey, but it's rated for P4s up to 103W TDP, so it should definitely handle my Socket 478 P4 Prescott 3.2E significantly better than my existing Cooler Master one, while hopefully also being much less noisy. (Using an AsRock P4i65G M-ATX motherboard).
Hi Phil. Great video as always. I'm looking for a good socket A cooler. There doesn't seen to be many for sale, do you have any recommendations? I have an Athlon XP 2400+ (68.3 W).
There is no 'Throttling' on Prescott. They either work full blast at their peak clock or shut down on thermal trip. The variable clock and all those frills came with Core series IIRC. The drop in performance was more due to semiconductor physics than due to intentional performance throttling.
the same style of cooler was installed on all computers in my computer classroom in early 2002 or 2003 on northwood celerons 2000. They were also labeled cooler master but the label was golden and white printed, alsi the fan itself was half the thickness i might say i love those brackets
I had a P4 478 2.66ghz (with H/T) that overclocked to 3.6ghz, ran it for a year. It was the last computer with AGP that I had. I kept it as a "back-up" computer for a couple of years and the last card that I put in it was a 7800gs AGP.
It looks like you can safely dismount the northbridge fan from its heatsink and oil the bearing, which I assume is located on the back side (perhaps under a sticker). It might otherwise be accessible under the top sticker, or could even be a sealed fan with no serviceability.
[quick unrelated request: that looks like an AGP Pro slot, you should get one of those cards! Could be a fun video. Might be hard to find one, though, that isn't a Mac card or a little pricey... maybe Electromyne can find one.]
With a whacking great dead zone under the fan hub, and fins that don't extend beyond the fan, not surprised it's terrible. May be worth taping round the top half of the fins to cowl the air further down and see if that improves it
My suggestion for the chipset cooling, if you can still find one. Thermaltake Tiger 1 chipset HSF. When I still worked at a computer shop this is what we'd use to replace failing stock chipset/fan combo's with for chipsets, around the time this motherboard was sold.
Looks like a great cooler for a Pentium 3. For a P4, I guess I haven't looked lately but aren't OEM coolers as common as dirt? The Prescott ones with the copper center work very well IMO.
80c is still way to hot in my book for a cpu, or anything really except a car engine. whew. I'd say this cooler is right at it's limit at best with a 3.0Ghz P4. A cooler like this though would be worth testing with the fan blowing out instead of down because that would keep the caps from absorbing all of that heat, and with the large space between the fins, the fan should pull air pretty well through them without too much extra noise.
Hey WaybackTECH, glad to see you're still active. I miss your videos! There is a pretty good group on FB called RETRO Machines. You should stop by sometime!
80 on a Northwood is clearly too much. Fine for a GPU though. It's not nearly close to a critical melting point, but there are reasons Intel hands out safe temps.
hmm. My 478 socket boards all have their OEM coolers, but my main one of those systems is a Dell Dimension, so has the fan mounted in the back instead of on the cooler. Have thought about trying to get a quieter or better fan for that actually, it's quite a loud machine.
O HOW I LOVE WAKING UP TO NEW PHILSCOMPUTERLAB VIDEOS !!!!, AND my Cooler comment, well It didnt do to bad per say, but it was put up against lava's brother lol, those pentium 4's are made from the suns surface lol i really dont know if any standalone cheaper heatsink could properly cool this lol, GREAT CONTENT AS ALWAYS PHIL !!!!
My best result on a P4 exteme (degraged performance) @ ~ 3.3-3.4GHz was with a lower profile single fan 2nd hand Coolermaster cooler from ebay that I modded and mounted a 120mm fan from an old Noctua LGA2011/AM3 cooler I still had one of the fans for. Ambient room temp ~ 34'C
Northbridge Cooler: if you have a non working old GPU around you might be able to retro fit one on there. Some of the older coolers that have a 2 hole mounting system sometimes looks like they would be the same for the GPU and NB.
The Zalman CNPS9500A LED-CU is still available and ships with socket 478 compatible clips/hardware. It's way pricier than this obviously, but it should do a sufficient job of keeping pretty much any 478 CPU cool (including the infamously spicy Prescott processors).
Hmm, that's odd. It says it does on Amazon. I guess the info must have been incorrect. I figured they included the hardware for it, but it's possible Amazon's description was wrong or (more likely IMO) Zalman stopped including it given how old that socket is. The reason I was so sure and went straight to it on Amazon was because I had one on my 775 Pentium D years ago and remembered that it came with the 478 clips/hardware (at least I'm pretty sure it did unless I'm thinking of some other cooler, but I don't know of another that looks quite like that copper beauty).
Odd, Amazon said it does. I guess maybe they stopped including the clips/hardware for 478 or Amazon is inaccurate. I did find the CNPS7700-AlCu listed on Newegg (also Zalman) which also claims to support socket 478, but couldn't find it listed on Zalman's site so it may be discontinued.
OK, confirmed, I just found this video review of that Zalman cooler (apparently the pure copper version also supports socket 478): ruclips.net/video/wLf8Yp3l6qc/видео.html
Five seconds in, I could tell just by looking that the cooler is a knockoff and can't cool a 3GHz P4. By the end, and after reading the comments, I was right! It would probably do a good job with a 2.4 at best. Pentium 4s don't like running over 65-75 degrees, depending on model - the Prescott processors and Pentium Ds tend to be at the lower end of that range. This is something to keep in mind if you're used to modern processors which can typically tolerate 95 degrees before throttling. I don't have much experience with 478, but Socket A can be tricky to find coolers for the higher end processors.
I've seen a cooler like this, and it's tdp did cool a Intel celeron D 2.8ghz - 3.2ghz, so It did cool the CPU even if I tweaked the celeron D. it was warm to the touch.
For old chipset fans like that remove it, peel the sticker from the back and put a drop of light sewing machine oil on the bearing. Should solve the noise/rattle but they are just sleeve bearings so if they have been run dry for years they may be worn and thus will always rattle a little.
I got a similar cooler from AVC and it works flawlessly (because I don’t game on pc [its to complicated]) although it does have the specs to run some games
Not really, they are getting harder to find and expensive, especially with Tualatin support. I would go with Pentium 4 now, much cheaper and easier to find and great for windows 98.
@@philscomputerlab Thanks Phil! I actually meant *cooler*, not specficially motherboard itself. My bad! Im already all in on a modded tualatin so was trying to see what youd suggest for cooling it. Thanks again.
Did you consider that the CPU-Z score might be an average of the score over time, so the throttling would permanently decrease the score even if it returned to full performance?
Haha, wow, this is almost, to a tee, what my little Junkyard Dell build is. I put some Noctua NT-H1 on it, its been pretty decent. Though, the motherboard doesn't seem to have a thermal sensor for the CPU, though it does show in the motherboard, so I've got no clue how to tell the temps.
Yea I was looking for that one, but in the end two Zalman copper coolers found me, so these are now my high end coolers! I think I got a 9800GT already.
Sweet. I had one of the fan shaped coolers with a separate arm for my old Athlon 750 back in the day. The Zalman CNPS3100. Very interesting coolers. I do like the mini flowers you are using on the old graphics cards. Out of interest when are the newest parts that you have ever been able to get to run Windows 98? I know for example my X58 based computer has lots of legacy modes, converting SATA to IDE internally, etc.
Chipset fan needs cleaning and bearing grease. It should be OK. You need to dis amble this to fix it, and i mean the fan it self .Do not throw it away, you will spoil the motherboard's authenticity.I see that as an "obligation" especially in the case of donation, you should be able to fix it.
Even the coolers are getting rarer. I just spent $35 AUD on a StarTech cooler because I can't stand the sound of the stock P4 fan. I hope it's good enough!
I had this one: www.arctic.ac/eu_en/super-silent-4-ultra-tc.html or at least something very similar to this, on top of my old P4 back in the day. Really impressive cooler. Kept my P4 very cool even under heavy load. But I also had 7 other coolers in the tower I used, so the whole thing sounded like a Jet engine :D
I had problems with my presscott 3.2. It was throttling with cooler very similar to your's and even with presscott box cooler (aluminium with copper). Cpu was 50 C idle and 75-78 full loaded with heavy throttling. Reason was cheap thermal grease. When I applied good thermal grease, I got
Prescott were heaters. 115 W for 3.2 GHz and still slightly slower than a 86W Northwood with the same clock. There were some testings that prescott was faster than NW when clocked beyond 4.4 GHz, but who could really justify that power draw and need for cooling.
As mentioned before by others, my guess this is not a real Cooler master the heat sink is to thin especially the base. I had a lot cooler masters and other famous brands installed back in the (intel P4/AMD K7) days, cooler master was always (and maybe still?) an very good alternative and affordable option to stock coolers. Especially the AMD socket A stock cooler where the first thing that been replaced permanently because of the loud stock cooler and weak performance.
every abit northbridge cooler is in bad condition these times. can a 9700 PRO cooler fit there ? i can fit it on my SB950 :D i had s775 northbridge cooler on my IC7s xD (yea i had 2 xD) the real test would be a prescott processor :D
The cooler model is real, but this is a cheap knock-off of it. The real one has a thicker base, with a raised section in the middle and 20 fins. I'm sure the fan is probably a lot better too.
I haven't seen video yet, but from my experiences and when I see how it looks like, I would say it's totaly useless. 😀 That's heatsink like from some amplifier or CRT TV or something, not for a CPU. 😀 And I don't believe it's actual Cooler Master, it looks like some fake Chinese stuff. EDIT: I've never seen more than like 70°C on Pentium 4 and that was only in a game, not actual 100% load. 😀 I've just found brand new Zalman full copper cooler with 92 mm fan, that guy has 10 of them, so I ordered 2 for no reason, I just want it. 😀 I have the same cooler, but not full copper, I have that alu-cu version and it's still good enough.
The bottom of the sink should be much thicker to efficently convey heat to the fins and the fins are both too sparse and too thin. That's a very, very cheap looking heat sink; much worse than stock intel. For $6 you overpaid. Optimal fin spacing for that type of parallel plate sink is only about 2-4 mm depending on fan speed. If you allow almost ridiculous fan pressure, like a 10 000 RPM delta fan, the optimal spacing is very close. For socket 478 a used, Zalmans 7000-series "flower" sinks were some of the best and they're pretty cheap used. I wouldn't use the all-copper zalman sinks on an athlon xp though; they were very heavy.
Oh, also, frozen CPU has a decent assortment of heatsinks in standard sizes, both with and without fans, though you can always add a 40mm fan if you can't find one in your size with a fan: www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g40/c16/list/p1/Air_Cooling-Chipset_HeatsinksCoolers.html
Good luck! They can be tricky. The other option if you can't find the right size is just to take the embedded fan out, leave the heatsink behind and strap a 40mm fan over the existing heatsink. Not exactly pretty, but I've had to do it in a pinch in the past.
Somehow this Pentium 4 Socket 478 cooler review turned out 15 minutes long. Let me know what you think.
In regards to the chipset fan. I have an Abit A17 motherboard I use in my Windows 98 machine. The fan was unbearably loud so I just unpluged it and I haven't had any issues. The heatsink never got hot to the point where you couldn't touch. I hope this helps a little.
For the chipset, you could try searching in electromyne or ebay some generic motherboard heatsink (and you can add a cooler later on if the heatsink isn't enough); as for the cooler master, I would rather grab my trusty arctic cooling supero silent 4, which ran quite well (as far as I remember).
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Phil check the cooler compared to stock one, probably it delivers the same in performance but with the benefit of low sound. 70+ is high, heating/stress should be done with prime95-it is a very common/known program to the community. In order to compare you need the stock one as a benchmark. Disabling the fan is not a good method.
It would be interesting to see what it would take to mount/adapt a modern cooler to an old socket.
The Pentium 4 utilize the instruction "NOP" which basically is "Do-nothing" for one clock-cycle instead of frequency scaling. This generates no heat and ensures that the Pentium does not have to change frequency. This is important since the Pentium 4 CPUs use double-pump integers (basically runs two of the simple integer units at double frequency) and a very deep pipeline. Full Frequency + NOP interlaced ensure responsiveness and lower power draw.
For those interested Anandtech have some great reviews about Pentium 4 and the difference between different Pentium 4 architectures.
fun fact - it was cheaper brand new in ~2000, I paid about $4 for those(or very similar, might of even been a little heavier), they were the cheapest crappiest coolers you could get
Jesus tap dancing christ that heatsink is HORRIBLE. This chip has a rated maximum of 70C. Anything above 60C was unacceptable "back in the day". That heatsink should not be used for any chip.
The Zalman 7000 heatsinks are adequate for all but the hottest of chips - That said ALPHA made the BEST heatsinks money could buy. They still make them: www.alphanovatech.com/en/c_pal8942e.html They keep my 3.4EE chip at 50c with a decent fan.
As for northbridge heatsinks, Zalman made nice ones for the era. I personally used the Thermalright NB-1.
BTW, they still make heatsinks for socket 5,7,370,462. Expensive, but peerless performance.
* It's 6$ new. You get what You pay for.
And then there is the difference between Tcase and Tjmax.
The first is the packagate temperature and usually the one Intel hands out as long term maximum.
The later is the shutdown temperature in the cores. Usually sits in the 80-105°C range. Advised to stay around 20° below that.
And the chips generally run around 10-20° hotter than the package.
I'd say that you don't need a new Northbridge cooler, you just need a new fan for the old heatsink. There are two or three screws (I'm sure you've noticed) and those fans are pretty cheap on Ebay. I have repaired many old and very noisy coolers that way. Same goes for some old PCI graphic cards with this kind of cooling.
I found a box of retro PC Components and accessories, it had 3 similar heatsinks to this one, might need to change over my awful OEM one on my Retro PC for something a tad better like this... Or just keep a massive fan pointed at it.
You are a lucky duck.
Ur on all my tech channels lol
Hello there 😉
Bottom plate is too thin for cpu application. This can make a decent passive cooler for things like audio amp due to generous fin spacing.
Will always like for RtCW. So much fun back in the day, both SP and MP. Great video, really enjoyed it.
I'd suggest using Prime95 when doing stress tests. It probably wouldn't mess with the OS like CPU-Z does (it hasn't done that on the 2 PCs I've used it on), and it also heats up the CPU like nothing else I've tried. Very good for finding stable core voltages.
I am using Aida 64 stress test which makes CPU that hot that people don't believe to me that it can have such temperature, everyone is testing it just in games 😀
Hi Phil, I used to have an Abit IC7-G motherboard back in the day. Had the same problem with the northbridge fan as well. Actually I had 2 problems:
1. The fan made a lot of noise, that I fixed by removing the standard fan and replacing it with a 40x40mm fan that I glued directly to the heatsink, worked perfectly for years!
2. The heatsink itself fell of the motherboard while the computer was powered on. That resulted in a broken motherboard, it happened twice, but to be fair it was replaced under warranty by Abit without a problem. I was adamant to not let my 3rd board die. The northbridge heatsink is mounted to the motherboard with 2 hooks, which are soldered on the PCB. I noticed these had come of before. So when I received my 3rd board I immediately desoldered these hooks and pushed them in a bit further through the PCB. This enabled me to bend the ends of these hooks on the back of the PCB to create a mechanical hook, I didn't bother to solder them back in, but it held on for years.
Thanks for sharing. I may have some boards with these soldered hooks that I may want to modify now.
You're welcome!
Let my Intel 'original' 865 PERL introduce itself to you with it's Northbridge chipset soldered onto the board. Yeah not the hooks, or retainers but the sink itself is fixed permanently with 4 pins soldered onto the board. This didn't require a fan though.
@@Wingedmechanic Yeah, Intel desktop boards usually had their northbridge heatsinks directly soldered in.
Not sure if all P4 era Intel Desktop Boards had them but I remember a handful of the 865 ones I had were done that way.
I always wondered if those heatsinks were any good. And holy crap that it the EXACT motherboard I use to have!! I had a Zalman 7000 ALCU cooler, reason being is I had a 3GHz PrescHOTT.
lRaziel1 mine was the same way with the stock cooler. Mine would hit 85c within 2 minutes of Doom 3 and then a few minutes later completely shut down. Talk about a quality cooler!
That looks like a knockoff and not a real Cooler Master "A73" cooler. Just look that model number on Newegg and on the photos it has more fins and also a much thicker base.
So basically it's a fake A73. And the heatsink itself looks sooo cheap.
For $6 i think you could find much much better heatsinks on the used market/eBay.
Yea maybe, the $6 does include the shipping though, so to me, living quite remote, this is really hard to beat.
Oh that was shipping included? Then it's not that bad actually.
Yeah, 15 fins on Phils cooler, versus 20 on the advertised A73.
confirmed! I have one! the fan is so powerfull. base is thicker. I use it on my ps4 (just top the case with a very silent 8cm fan)
IDK why but it really hurts when you unplug the fan from a running system lol.
I swear my heart rate was going up in tandem with the temps, and when the alarm went off...
PhilsComputerLab me too.
The reason the Pentium 4 doesn't clock throttle is because it can't. No desktop Pentium 4 on the 478 socket had clock ramping support.
The only thermal throttling protection available on this chip is flooding the pipeline with NOPs to reduce the workload, which reduces the temperature.
Really nice close-up shots. :)
I have a CoolerMaster for socket478 right here in the original retail box. Yours has a lighter heatsink with fewer fins, but a bigger fan, so probably about the same in total cooling effect. (Guessing yours is either a knockoff or a late model meant for the salvage trade.)
I have a Northwood 3.08GHz in this box -- been running at solid 100% for 15 minutes (cuz RUclips's HTML5 does that) and is at 70C (higher than normal, it needs to be dusted). When it's doing nothing much it runs at about 35-40C. The heatsink is a Thermaltake copper core, with a case-type fan. Of course being inside a case it doesn't get quite the circulation of lying out in the open, which adds a few degrees.
I remember that this pc would have been top of the line in 2002.
For chipset cooler, I simply googled it and found a few sellers on ebay. The one I picked shipped the exact same thing that was originally on the board - for a few bucks.
The base of that cooler looks horribly thin. I got a northbridge cooler from a P45 board that has more there. And that chip has a TDP of 22 W.
I've used a lot of Cooler Master products over the years and there's no way that's a real one. Knew the moment I saw the lack of fins. Well, that and the box/labels. Love that company. They make really good stuff and often make coolers for sockets other companies don't bother with. For instance, a few years ago I needed a CPU cooler for an ITX board that actually used laptop CPUs. I think it was Socket P? Anyhow, fantastic tiny heatsink & fan. And then on the other end, I swear by their enormous ones with lots of heat pipes for my modern overclocked systems (I'm rockin' a Hyper 212 Plus currently).
Can't say I'm surprised they're getting faked and cloned. Was interesting to see how such a cheapo cooler actually fared. Keep up the good work, sir.
I remember my core 2 duo overheating with stock fan... WAS PAIN IN MY ASS
Don't aim for 4 GHz with the stock cooler.
But seriously, how did you manage that.
Shit stock cooling I guess
i overclocked mi E6320 to 2.8GHz with stock cooler and very nice temps lol :P
GTAMan15 I have 2.8GHz OC (from stock 1.8GHz in my C2D E6320) with stock C2Q cooler (more big than C2D cooler) and rasonable temps. It hit 3GHz with Big Typhoon VX with excelent temps. This adventure was in 2011 so I dont remember exact temps!
Not much mass on the base. So heat wont spread very evenly to the fins. I suspect it may do better with a northwood that has a lower voltage speck of 1.425 vs 1.475. (some even exceeded 1.525). It may also be possible to undervolt that cpu to 1.400 to gain a couple C and keep it away from throttling a bit more.
I'm currently awaiting a Masscool 9T370B1M3G with all copper heatsink and ball bearing fan on import from the USA from eBay. Definitely pricey, but it's rated for P4s up to 103W TDP, so it should definitely handle my Socket 478 P4 Prescott 3.2E significantly better than my existing Cooler Master one, while hopefully also being much less noisy. (Using an AsRock P4i65G M-ATX motherboard).
Hi Phil. Great video as always.
I'm looking for a good socket A cooler. There doesn't seen to be many for sale, do you have any recommendations?
I have an Athlon XP 2400+ (68.3 W).
StarTech sell new coolers, but they have no copper so you might have to look second hand.
There is no 'Throttling' on Prescott. They either work full blast at their peak clock or shut down on thermal trip. The variable clock and all those frills came with Core series IIRC. The drop in performance was more due to semiconductor physics than due to intentional performance throttling.
the same style of cooler was installed on all computers in my computer classroom in early 2002 or 2003 on northwood celerons 2000. They were also labeled cooler master but the label was golden and white printed, alsi the fan itself was half the thickness
i might say i love those brackets
I had a P4 478 2.66ghz (with H/T) that overclocked to 3.6ghz, ran it for a year. It was the last computer with AGP that I had. I kept it as a "back-up" computer for a couple of years and the last card that I put in it was a 7800gs AGP.
Sounds like a nice system.
3.6 GHz was still in category of close to stock speeds. On good air cooler it shouldn't be dangerous.
It looks like you can safely dismount the northbridge fan from its heatsink and oil the bearing, which I assume is located on the back side (perhaps under a sticker). It might otherwise be accessible under the top sticker, or could even be a sealed fan with no serviceability.
Yea I will check this out. I've ordered a replacement cooler as well, but it will be while.
[quick unrelated request: that looks like an AGP Pro slot, you should get one of those cards! Could be a fun video. Might be hard to find one, though, that isn't a Mac card or a little pricey... maybe Electromyne can find one.]
With a whacking great dead zone under the fan hub, and fins that don't extend beyond the fan, not surprised it's terrible.
May be worth taping round the top half of the fins to cowl the air further down and see if that improves it
The Northbridge cooler looks like it would use a standard VGA cooler - find a decent replacement fan and run with it.
My suggestion for the chipset cooling, if you can still find one. Thermaltake Tiger 1 chipset HSF.
When I still worked at a computer shop this is what we'd use to replace failing stock chipset/fan combo's with for chipsets, around the time this motherboard was sold.
Looks like a great cooler for a Pentium 3.
For a P4, I guess I haven't looked lately but aren't OEM coolers as common as dirt? The Prescott ones with the copper center work very well IMO.
80c is still way to hot in my book for a cpu, or anything really except a car engine. whew. I'd say this cooler is right at it's limit at best with a 3.0Ghz P4. A cooler like this though would be worth testing with the fan blowing out instead of down because that would keep the caps from absorbing all of that heat, and with the large space between the fins, the fan should pull air pretty well through them without too much extra noise.
Hey WaybackTECH, glad to see you're still active. I miss your videos! There is a pretty good group on FB called RETRO Machines. You should stop by sometime!
80 on a Northwood is clearly too much. Fine for a GPU though.
It's not nearly close to a critical melting point, but there are reasons Intel hands out safe temps.
hmm. My 478 socket boards all have their OEM coolers, but my main one of those systems is a Dell Dimension, so has the fan mounted in the back instead of on the cooler. Have thought about trying to get a quieter or better fan for that actually, it's quite a loud machine.
O HOW I LOVE WAKING UP TO NEW PHILSCOMPUTERLAB VIDEOS !!!!, AND my Cooler comment, well It didnt do to bad per say, but it was put up against lava's brother lol, those pentium 4's are made from the suns surface lol i really dont know if any standalone cheaper heatsink could properly cool this lol, GREAT CONTENT AS ALWAYS PHIL !!!!
My best result on a P4 exteme (degraged performance) @ ~ 3.3-3.4GHz was with a lower profile single fan 2nd hand Coolermaster cooler from ebay that I modded and mounted a 120mm fan from an old Noctua LGA2011/AM3 cooler I still had one of the fans for.
Ambient room temp ~ 34'C
I modified Arctic Freezer i13 for socket 478, it was ridiculously overpowered 😀
Northbridge Cooler: if you have a non working old GPU around you might be able to retro fit one on there. Some of the older coolers that have a 2 hole mounting system sometimes looks like they would be the same for the GPU and NB.
hmm. is that CPU-Z reading correct? .. well how interesting i didn't know the different was that huge for normal cpu nowdays scoring around 6k .
Whats the best socket 478 cooler that is easy to get a hold of these days? what good modern coolers can you get to fit on socket 478 ?
You could use thermalright hr05 for chipset cooling.
The Zalman CNPS9500A LED-CU is still available and ships with socket 478 compatible clips/hardware. It's way pricier than this obviously, but it should do a sufficient job of keeping pretty much any 478 CPU cool (including the infamously spicy Prescott processors).
Had a look on the Zalman website, it doesn't seem to support 478 at all.
Hmm, that's odd. It says it does on Amazon. I guess the info must have been incorrect. I figured they included the hardware for it, but it's possible Amazon's description was wrong or (more likely IMO) Zalman stopped including it given how old that socket is. The reason I was so sure and went straight to it on Amazon was because I had one on my 775 Pentium D years ago and remembered that it came with the 478 clips/hardware (at least I'm pretty sure it did unless I'm thinking of some other cooler, but I don't know of another that looks quite like that copper beauty).
Odd, Amazon said it does. I guess maybe they stopped including the clips/hardware for 478 or Amazon is inaccurate. I did find the CNPS7700-AlCu listed on Newegg (also Zalman) which also claims to support socket 478, but couldn't find it listed on Zalman's site so it may be discontinued.
OK, confirmed, I just found this video review of that Zalman cooler (apparently the pure copper version also supports socket 478): ruclips.net/video/wLf8Yp3l6qc/видео.html
Five seconds in, I could tell just by looking that the cooler is a knockoff and can't cool a 3GHz P4. By the end, and after reading the comments, I was right! It would probably do a good job with a 2.4 at best. Pentium 4s don't like running over 65-75 degrees, depending on model - the Prescott processors and Pentium Ds tend to be at the lower end of that range. This is something to keep in mind if you're used to modern processors which can typically tolerate 95 degrees before throttling.
I don't have much experience with 478, but Socket A can be tricky to find coolers for the higher end processors.
I've seen a cooler like this, and it's tdp did cool a Intel celeron D 2.8ghz - 3.2ghz, so It did cool the CPU even if I tweaked the celeron D. it was warm to the touch.
For old chipset fans like that remove it, peel the sticker from the back and put a drop of light sewing machine oil on the bearing. Should solve the noise/rattle but they are just sleeve bearings so if they have been run dry for years they may be worn and thus will always rattle a little.
even better use teflon oil
I got a similar cooler from AVC and it works flawlessly (because I don’t game on pc [its to complicated]) although it does have the specs to run some games
Pentium 4 3GHz HT
768MB DDR 333MHz ram
I’m fine with onboard graphics
Normal PSU
Do you have any suggestions for a socket 370 motherboard? Specifically a modded Tualatin (slightly thicker) thanks!!
Not really, they are getting harder to find and expensive, especially with Tualatin support. I would go with Pentium 4 now, much cheaper and easier to find and great for windows 98.
@@philscomputerlab Thanks Phil! I actually meant *cooler*, not specficially motherboard itself. My bad! Im already all in on a modded tualatin so was trying to see what youd suggest for cooling it. Thanks again.
take apart the chipset cooler and peel the sticker back and add a drop of oil in the hole. Any oil is fine, like engine oil, sewing machine oil etc
hi, to the chipset use the cooling zalman ZM-NBF47
Holy SHIT! I still have a LeadTek GPU lying around myself~ I think it was based on the FX 5600 Ultra. An A310 Ultra I believe
Zalman make a good Northbridge cooler you might be able to pick one up on fleabay cheap enough. 👍
Did you consider that the CPU-Z score might be an average of the score over time, so the throttling would permanently decrease the score even if it returned to full performance?
How do you remove the brackets to remove an installed cooler?
I have exactly the same on my 3ghz Northwood,but different fan brand (Akasa).Paid 11 euro for it.
Same hot and noisy like the stock Intel one.
Haha, wow, this is almost, to a tee, what my little Junkyard Dell build is. I put some Noctua NT-H1 on it, its been pretty decent. Though, the motherboard doesn't seem to have a thermal sensor for the CPU, though it does show in the motherboard, so I've got no clue how to tell the temps.
Just an impressive setup...!
What could would you recommend for a 486 build?
If you want a high end solution the Scythe Shuriken Rev B still supports 478. Also give Brian from Tech Yes City a poke he has a spare 9800GT
Yea I was looking for that one, but in the end two Zalman copper coolers found me, so these are now my high end coolers! I think I got a 9800GT already.
Sweet. I had one of the fan shaped coolers with a separate arm for my old Athlon 750 back in the day. The Zalman CNPS3100. Very interesting coolers. I do like the mini flowers you are using on the old graphics cards. Out of interest when are the newest parts that you have ever been able to get to run Windows 98? I know for example my X58 based computer has lots of legacy modes, converting SATA to IDE internally, etc.
Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 are the newest parts I had Windows 98 running on. The speed of such machines is way beyond what's needed.
Chipset fan needs cleaning and bearing grease. It should be OK. You need to dis amble this to fix it, and i mean the fan it self .Do not throw it away, you will spoil the motherboard's authenticity.I see that as an "obligation" especially in the case of donation, you should be able to fix it.
Did that to my CUSL2 before beefing up the system. Just to feel sure about it.
Cooler Master logo on the fan itself doesn't even match the logo color.... lol As always, nice video!
Even the coolers are getting rarer. I just spent $35 AUD on a StarTech cooler because I can't stand the sound of the stock P4 fan. I hope it's good enough!
You can switch to a 775 P4 system, that opens up options with CPU coolers.
Hi Phil, I have the same Coolermaster cooler, but the fins are thicker. You're probably right thinking it's a chinese copy. ;-)
Yea quite a few said the same thing :)
I had this one:
www.arctic.ac/eu_en/super-silent-4-ultra-tc.html
or at least something very similar to this, on top of my old P4 back in the day. Really impressive cooler. Kept my P4 very cool even under heavy load. But I also had 7 other coolers in the tower I used, so the whole thing sounded like a Jet engine :D
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system stability test in AIDA64 shows amount of throttling.
with box cooler and proper thermal grease you will get less than 70 C full loaded.
Have you tried this on a 478 Pentium 4? Or have you used it on a modern machine and think it works with this processor?
I had problems with my presscott 3.2. It was throttling with cooler very similar to your's and even with presscott box cooler (aluminium with copper). Cpu was 50 C idle and 75-78 full loaded with heavy throttling. Reason was cheap thermal grease. When I applied good thermal grease, I got
also please check this video
ruclips.net/video/gkOrdZ4sAUE/видео.html
it is in russian but you will get the idea
and if you question was about aida, yes it shows throttling on a 478 p4 and only on them as far as I know.
Prescott were heaters.
115 W for 3.2 GHz and still slightly slower than a 86W Northwood with the same clock. There were some testings that prescott was faster than NW when clocked beyond 4.4 GHz, but who could really justify that power draw and need for cooling.
As mentioned before by others, my guess this is not a real Cooler master the heat sink is to thin especially the base. I had a lot cooler masters and other famous brands installed back in the (intel P4/AMD K7) days, cooler master was always (and maybe still?) an very good alternative and affordable option to stock coolers. Especially the AMD socket A stock cooler where the first thing that been replaced permanently because of the loud stock cooler and weak performance.
every abit northbridge cooler is in bad condition these times. can a 9700 PRO cooler fit there ? i can fit it on my SB950 :D i had s775 northbridge cooler on my IC7s xD (yea i had 2 xD) the real test would be a prescott processor :D
Yea I've ordered something off eBay now. It will usually take a month to arrive, that's always the annoying part. Cheap, but slow to arrive.
It is real Coolermaster, I have one.
The cooler model is real, but this is a cheap knock-off of it. The real one has a thicker base, with a raised section in the middle and 20 fins. I'm sure the fan is probably a lot better too.
As far as replacing the chipset cooler you will find that a lot of 50/60mm universal gpu coolers work
Call me crazy, but I would find a way to mod a cheap 120mm AIO water cooler for one of these.
I looked into connecting 775 to 478, didn't get far.
PhilsComputerLab Zip ties could be a solution.
The heatsink looks like a cheap knockoff.
Not to worry, at least you have a genuine CPU cooler.
How about changing fan lol with 8000rpm 70mm fan
Where buy ? Lazada or shoppee
I think I got it from eBay!
i like the cooler mounts from dell computers
Honestly for me copper is a giant requirement for a 478 Heatsink unless you’re running a lower end celeron
i have the same cooler idk how tf i remove this
I love your outro music
edit : I don't seem to be able to id it :(
I haven't seen video yet, but from my experiences and when I see how it looks like, I would say it's totaly useless. 😀 That's heatsink like from some amplifier or CRT TV or something, not for a CPU. 😀 And I don't believe it's actual Cooler Master, it looks like some fake Chinese stuff.
EDIT: I've never seen more than like 70°C on Pentium 4 and that was only in a game, not actual 100% load. 😀 I've just found brand new Zalman full copper cooler with 92 mm fan, that guy has 10 of them, so I ordered 2 for no reason, I just want it. 😀 I have the same cooler, but not full copper, I have that alu-cu version and it's still good enough.
You are right!
Bios alarm kicked in yo
dat cooling fan is not CoolerMaster worthy but it's nice dat u can replace tha fan with something better
The bottom of the sink should be much thicker to efficently convey heat to the fins and the fins are both too sparse and too thin. That's a very, very cheap looking heat sink; much worse than stock intel. For $6 you overpaid.
Optimal fin spacing for that type of parallel plate sink is only about 2-4 mm depending on fan speed. If you allow almost ridiculous fan pressure, like a 10 000 RPM delta fan, the optimal spacing is very close.
For socket 478 a used, Zalmans 7000-series "flower" sinks were some of the best and they're pretty cheap used. I wouldn't use the all-copper zalman sinks on an athlon xp though; they were very heavy.
Yea I got that Zalman cooler, it's a real monster. Like you say, it's very heavy.
Can you make movie about making ethernet cable?
The cooler has way too less fins to dessipate heat....
try oiling the bearrings
As people say in my country: "Il mio falegname con 30000 lo fa meglio"
nope nope nope
Looks like it'd work well on an original Pentium! lol
Oh, also, frozen CPU has a decent assortment of heatsinks in standard sizes, both with and without fans, though you can always add a 40mm fan if you can't find one in your size with a fan: www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g40/c16/list/p1/Air_Cooling-Chipset_HeatsinksCoolers.html
Nice. Could be worth checking out.
Good luck! They can be tricky. The other option if you can't find the right size is just to take the embedded fan out, leave the heatsink behind and strap a 40mm fan over the existing heatsink. Not exactly pretty, but I've had to do it in a pinch in the past.
I don't think frozenCPU would work for Phil, since he is in Australia.
You never know, it's always worth asking.
Even 10 years oem AThlon haw better cooler, more aluminium.
U take fan apart and oil the bearing
"""Cooler Master"""
More like Cooler Hamster..
this cooler... even worse inside a computer case... lol
I cry inside when u heat it up on purpose:( Don't do that lol.
i got dell dimension 8200
That's worse than the coolers which came with PIII 1000B
How can i get off this SH*T???
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