In one of Wayne May's presentations I remember him saying the Nephites built their cities in the earthworks built by the Jaredites, and that all they'd really need to do was replace the wood timber of the walls. There is a scripture reference that supports this idea. It's found in The Book of Mormon in Ether 13:20-22: "And in the second year the word of the Lord csne to Ether, that he should go and prophesy unto Coriantumr that, if he would repent, and all his household, the Lord would give unto him his kingdom and spare the people -. "Otherwise they should be destroyed, and all his household save it were himself. And he should only live to see the fulfilling of the prophecies which have been spoken concerning another people receiving the land for their inheritance; and Coriantumr should receive a burial by them; and every soul should be destroyed save it were Coriantumr. "And it came to pass that Coriantumr repented not, neither his household, neither the people; and the wars ceased not; and they sought to kill Ether, but he fled from before them and hid again in the cavity of the rock." I think this means the extent of the moundbuilders was also the extent of the Jaredites. Poverty Point was their primary trade hub with other parts of the world, and the Olmec Civilization would have been Jaredite colonies, not their direct governed areas. As the Jaredites destroyed each other, the Olmec region lost its support of supplies and so was abandoned. International trade was completely disrupted resulting in the abandonment of the Poverty Point trade hub. In Ether 14, it's said Coriantumr would take all the people with him from every land he passed through, and Shiz destroyed every city he passed through slaying everyone and burning the cities. People gathered themselves together in armies to join Coriantumr or Shiz. The entire land gets emptied. Therefore the family of Lehi can inherit the land.
When you show the menorah at approx. 55:30 that is a 9 branch menorah which was first used to celebrate the victory over the Macabees which was almost 430 years after Lehi left Jerusalem and the 7 branch menorah was sacred and could only be used inside the temple. Do you have any thoughts as to how they would have come to have this symbol?
These parallels with book of Mormon timelines really show plausibility of the Book...that Joseph's timelines match so closely the validated timelines of current archaeology continues that validation. The knowledge of where and who does not matter as much for the verification of the Book of Mormon...at least when compared to the necessity of identifying those people to their history in fulfillment of the prophecy of the hearts of the children turning to their fathers...this is a link to their genealogy and family history...for that purpose it is essential to connect the dots. The Spirit of Elijah will open doors and windows to bring that to pass ..both with the peoples of north America and central and South...all of us need to be connected to our ancestors. The Book of Mormon is one history...there are more yet to be uncovered.
I am from the Kanawha Valley, West Virginia. Around 1960, a boy dug up a skull, near the river. It was an Indian skull. W.V.I.T. excavated the area, It had been an Adena Village. Many skeletons were discovered. On the mountain above the river was a long wall. Legend says white Indians and dark Indians fought there. The college ran out of funds for the project and strip mining destroyed the wall. This history of these Lamanites and Nephites was destroyed .
@@agreenhill6439 The book of Mormon is nothing but Plagiarism from the KJV Bible that's a proven fact, Joseph Smith was So he didn't know that All the prophets and Apostles were black Hebrew Israelites Yes Negroes all 12 tribes are black people, Enough with the Fake Lies , Joseph Smith never restored nothing especially the Church he Never translated no gold plates because they never existed, talk about being deceived the Mormon church is made up of Millions of people who have been deceived by a white man named Joseph Smith
I couldn’t care less where it all happened but I love hearing these theories and the passion behind each. (I just hope nobody goes inactive over something so… TRIVIAL) I love the Book of Mormon.
I find it interesting that Randy Bachman left the church because the first tests of the DNA in the tribesmen of North America indicated that there was no connection to Hebrew ancestry. I've been following the DNA growth and Sciences since it started, only from a distance but I knew that at that time they did not have the ability to link the tribesmen to their ancient past. Now that we have haplogroup markers, something that they hadn't even thought of yet for all intensive purposes. We now know that a considerable number of the Hopewell tribesmen have a haplogroup marker of x1a, which is consistent with every Hebrew group on the planet. You must understand that the church is run by humans. On his last address to any congregation, Joseph Smith named and pointed out where the people were that were his enemy, and basically who would murder him. They were on the podium behind him as he spoke and he stated that. The two that were with him and his brother were the ones who killed them. I have been studying gunfights for a long time when I finally decided to look at the incident in question. It is painfully obvious that and engage gunfight occurred inside their room which caused all but one wound on Hiram and the blunt force trauma that knocked out Joseph Smith, and he was eventually pushed out the window because he died of a broken neck, not of gunshot wounds by what would be considered today extremely powerful large caliber weapons. All but one of the gunshot wounds, including the 42 John Richards were fired by either Hiram or Joseph Smith. Richard's explained it to John Taylor's Doctor, Who seems to be the first one to enter the room. That he hid in the corner while everything occurred, but he then couldn't explain how Joseph Smith got pushed out the window. Joseph Smith was not shot in any way that would have disabled him. All of this set, I understand that there was a conspiracy within the church who rid themselves of Joseph and Hyrum because they didn't want to get caught doing things that Joseph was vehement Lee opposed to. Again within a decade or so after Joseph death, the church was doing things precisely opposed to directives from Joseph Smith. But it took them a while to manipulate the documents to look like Joseph was somehow behind it. The church survived those decades because that behavior is what got them in trouble the most and still is a sore spot today. As it should be. But that does not mean to leave the church because there's evil people within the church. There are evil people everywhere and there are good people everywhere. You have to have the strength of spirit to maintain your own sanity in the midst of these.
@@RustySpur I guess I meant I don’t care because I know spiritually that the BoM came about the way JS says it did. I’m starting to become more fascinated by where it all occurred. The crazy thing is that it could have happened in many places, but the eastern US makes the most sense to me, and I served my mission in what I used to think was in the lamanite lands of the Yucatán.
The only photogragh of Joseph Smith exists..The painting with his hair parted and pulled back is it...Can't send it on comments..but it is available..Thanks
Is this a new presentation or an older one that has been re-posted? Thanks, I always enjoy Wayne’s thoughts and the evidences that he brings forward in his presentations.
The 9 branch Menorah was not used until around 400 centuries after Lehi would have left Jerusalem. It should not be there in my opinion. I have asked Mr. May about this and he has not responded as to his thoughts on how it is not an anachronism. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how or why this is there.
@@dcarts5616 Go research the Ancient BARGE SUBMARINES, There are 2,000 anachronisms in that one SUB ALONE. times 7, full of live stocks, an bee hives that were fed along the way , given a 8 inch air hole at the top an a bottom plug to let the sewage out, for one year this BS travelling . This was written, .the only remaining 35 anachronisms is the raw sewage that comes out of your comments
@@dcarts5616 you cant make this stuff up , yet people believe Ancient Wooden Barge Submarines took LIVE ANIMALS,AN BEEHIVES FOR ONE YEAR ACROSS THE OCEANS, full of food for them plus the 8 inch hole with a plug for air...
I wish they would use the tools they have now to search.for bodies..etc..first it was central america..then its heartland model..very confusing..why cant the prophet answer this...
President Russel M. Nelson said about a year ago," that the Headquarters of the Lords church is in the Land choice above all other Land's". Most (all) of the Prophets have stated that the lands of the Bof M are in the USA! It's obvious to those of us who have studied the Heartland theory, find it to be correct.
@Ronald Dunlap As I understand it, the church's final headquarters is supposed to be in Independence, Missouri because that's allegedly where the Garden of Eden was located. Now as to when exactly church hq is supposed to relocate there Idk other than it is supposed to happen sometime shortly before the Second Coming starts. So, when church hq does move there, then there's apparently a specific amount of time left (that's of significant importance) before the commencement of the Second Coming although Idk if that period of time has ever been defined. I will have to research it. But Independence, MO is fairly heartland, is not it?
Always its up to us..we dont pray enough..we dont study enough..we dont.repent enough...etc etc. Always the focus is on members and not the leaders. Fed up of this...its wrong..its damaging and its a turn off now to me....
The problem with the Heartland Theory (Limited Georgraphy Model) is the drastic lack of evidence that really matches the history. There are interesting sites to be found there, but they are not BOM, they are Neolithic. You're not looking at BOM sites. You're looking at early Genesis sites. Pre-Noah. If Adamondiaman is in the Heartland - these are the sites of the people of Adam, Pre-Flood. For BOM sites, look at where there are depictions of men with beards. You are not going to find that in the Heartland region. You do find that down in the Mesoamerica region.
Thanks George for your comments. There are quite a few sites and carbon dating puts a lot of these things in the Hopewell timeline which matches up with BOM dates.
Are you for real? How much evidence does it take for people to accept truth. South America isn't even doctrinally based and goes directly against the scriptures and statements by Joseph Smith!
And yet Mesoamerican civilizations are of asian/Hindu decent. Not to mention the language is wrong, the DNA is wrong the religon is wrong. The timeline is wrong and they continued to thrive and exist after the nephites where destroyed. And The mesoamerican theries originated in the RLDS and FLDS church's
Alma 23:28,, Aaron is teaching the father of Lamoni and gives him a history lesson. On the west of the Land of Nephi by the borders of their father's first inheritance. I take that as meaning Lehi? Just a refernce.
I was going through my in laws things when I found something that looks like what I have seen in some of your videos. My Father in law lived in Missouri Iowa and Illinois . I am interested in selling it if anyone wants to buy it.
@@agreenhill6439 I do not know if my response is getting through I have never used this way of communicating if I dont hear back soon I will try again . I just have not been involved with RUclips. I I do is watch and do thumbs ups on videos. I hope this gets to you.
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@@agreenhill6439 That is what I stated. I was a Archeologist and I did my research, because the LDS church wanted to know. I was a Bishop too, and told them: nope no LDS artifacts was found.
@@happyarchaeologist What do you mean LDS artifacts? There is overwhelming evidence for the Hopewell to have been the Nephites and the Adena the Jaredites.Lot's and Lot's of artifacts that match perfectly with the Hopewell/Nephite timeline. But most importantly the scriptual evidence points to North America/USA as the lands of the BofM !
In one of Wayne May's presentations I remember him saying the Nephites built their cities in the earthworks built by the Jaredites, and that all they'd really need to do was replace the wood timber of the walls. There is a scripture reference that supports this idea. It's found in The Book of Mormon in Ether 13:20-22:
"And in the second year the word of the Lord csne to Ether, that he should go and prophesy unto
Coriantumr that, if he would repent, and all his household, the Lord would give unto him his kingdom and spare the people -.
"Otherwise they should be destroyed, and all his household save it were himself. And he should only live to see the fulfilling of the prophecies which have been spoken concerning another people receiving the land for their inheritance; and
Coriantumr should receive a burial by them; and every soul should be destroyed save it were
Coriantumr.
"And it came to pass that
Coriantumr repented not, neither his household, neither the people; and the wars ceased not; and they sought to kill Ether, but he fled from before them and hid again in the cavity of the rock."
I think this means the extent of the moundbuilders was also the extent of the Jaredites. Poverty Point was their primary trade hub with other parts of the world, and the Olmec Civilization would have been Jaredite colonies, not their direct governed areas. As the Jaredites destroyed each other, the Olmec region lost its support of supplies and so was abandoned. International trade was completely disrupted resulting in the abandonment of the Poverty Point trade hub.
In Ether 14, it's said Coriantumr would take all the people with him from every land he passed through, and Shiz destroyed every city he passed through slaying everyone and burning the cities. People gathered themselves together in armies to join Coriantumr or Shiz. The entire land gets emptied. Therefore the family of Lehi can inherit the land.
Thank you for the upload. However, I noticed there were gaps where the lecture skipped a significant portion starting around 1:12:00
Always excited to see the newest presentation by Wayne may! Thanks for uploading!! :)
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What about the other tribs that wear cloth,as head covers? 1:33:10
Really enjoying watching the things I didn't know about
I thought it was always in North America
I don't know why confusing. 24:02
Are you going to have any East Coat lectures planned for this year.
When you show the menorah at approx. 55:30 that is a 9 branch menorah which was first used to celebrate the victory over the Macabees which was almost 430 years after Lehi left Jerusalem and the 7 branch menorah was sacred and could only be used inside the temple. Do you have any thoughts as to how they would have come to have this symbol?
These parallels with book of Mormon timelines really show plausibility of the Book...that Joseph's timelines match so closely the validated timelines of current archaeology continues that validation. The knowledge of where and who does not matter as much for the verification of the Book of Mormon...at least when compared to the necessity of identifying those people to their history in fulfillment of the prophecy of the hearts of the children turning to their fathers...this is a link to their genealogy and family history...for that purpose it is essential to connect the dots. The Spirit of Elijah will open doors and windows to bring that to pass ..both with the peoples of north America and central and South...all of us need to be connected to our ancestors. The Book of Mormon is one history...there are more yet to be uncovered.
I always learn something new from every one of Wayne's presentations. Thank you!!
We do too!
I am from the Kanawha Valley, West Virginia. Around 1960, a boy dug up a skull, near the river. It was an Indian skull. W.V.I.T. excavated the area, It had been an Adena Village. Many skeletons were discovered. On the mountain above the river was a long wall. Legend says white Indians and dark Indians fought there. The college ran out of funds for the project and strip mining destroyed the wall. This history of these Lamanites and Nephites was destroyed .
@@agreenhill6439 The book of Mormon is nothing but Plagiarism from the KJV Bible that's a proven fact, Joseph Smith was So he didn't know that All the prophets and Apostles were black Hebrew Israelites Yes Negroes all 12 tribes are black people, Enough with the Fake Lies , Joseph Smith never restored nothing especially the Church he Never translated no gold plates because they never existed, talk about being deceived the Mormon church is made up of Millions of people who have been deceived by a white man named Joseph Smith
I couldn’t care less where it all happened but I love hearing these theories and the passion behind each. (I just hope nobody goes inactive over something so… TRIVIAL) I love the Book of Mormon.
It's an open ended invitation that will help you grow and learn and eventually, find the truth.
I find it interesting that Randy Bachman left the church because the first tests of the DNA in the tribesmen of North America indicated that there was no connection to Hebrew ancestry. I've been following the DNA growth and Sciences since it started, only from a distance but I knew that at that time they did not have the ability to link the tribesmen to their ancient past. Now that we have haplogroup markers, something that they hadn't even thought of yet for all intensive purposes. We now know that a considerable number of the Hopewell tribesmen have a haplogroup marker of x1a, which is consistent with every Hebrew group on the planet.
You must understand that the church is run by humans. On his last address to any congregation, Joseph Smith named and pointed out where the people were that were his enemy, and basically who would murder him. They were on the podium behind him as he spoke and he stated that. The two that were with him and his brother were the ones who killed them. I have been studying gunfights for a long time when I finally decided to look at the incident in question. It is painfully obvious that and engage gunfight occurred inside their room which caused all but one wound on Hiram and the blunt force trauma that knocked out Joseph Smith, and he was eventually pushed out the window because he died of a broken neck, not of gunshot wounds by what would be considered today extremely powerful large caliber weapons. All but one of the gunshot wounds, including the 42 John Richards were fired by either Hiram or Joseph Smith. Richard's explained it to John Taylor's Doctor, Who seems to be the first one to enter the room. That he hid in the corner while everything occurred, but he then couldn't explain how Joseph Smith got pushed out the window. Joseph Smith was not shot in any way that would have disabled him. All of this set, I understand that there was a conspiracy within the church who rid themselves of Joseph and Hyrum because they didn't want to get caught doing things that Joseph was vehement Lee opposed to. Again within a decade or so after Joseph death, the church was doing things precisely opposed to directives from Joseph Smith. But it took them a while to manipulate the documents to look like Joseph was somehow behind it. The church survived those decades because that behavior is what got them in trouble the most and still is a sore spot today. As it should be. But that does not mean to leave the church because there's evil people within the church. There are evil people everywhere and there are good people everywhere. You have to have the strength of spirit to maintain your own sanity in the midst of these.
Doesn't The Book of Mormon explain both covenants and deed restrictions associated with the correct piece of real estate?
If you don’t care, you don’t understand…..
@@RustySpur I guess I meant I don’t care because I know spiritually that the BoM came about the way JS says it did. I’m starting to become more fascinated by where it all occurred. The crazy thing is that it could have happened in many places, but the eastern US makes the most sense to me, and I served my mission in what I used to think was in the lamanite lands of the Yucatán.
The only photogragh of Joseph Smith exists..The painting with his hair parted and pulled back is it...Can't send it on comments..but it is available..Thanks
Is this a new presentation or an older one that has been re-posted? Thanks, I always enjoy Wayne’s thoughts and the evidences that he brings forward in his presentations.
One Wayne’s newest presentations given to us during a tour of Ohio in March of this year.
56:10 re the Menorah:
A "regular" temple Menorah has seven branches. A special nine branch Menorah is used for...... Hanukah.
Another bingo.
The 9 branch Menorah was not used until around 400 centuries after Lehi would have left Jerusalem. It should not be there in my opinion. I have asked Mr. May about this and he has not responded as to his thoughts on how it is not an anachronism. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how or why this is there.
Enos 1:21, they had many horses!
What are you trying to say?
@@dcarts5616 hes saying the mormon apologists believes the horse is a tapir, honestly
@@kingimatthews4481 There were 230 of these so called anachronisms. Only about 35 remain. We’ll see what happens.
@@dcarts5616 Go research the Ancient BARGE SUBMARINES, There are 2,000 anachronisms in that one SUB ALONE. times 7, full of live stocks, an bee hives that were fed along the way , given a 8 inch air hole at the top an a bottom plug to let the sewage out, for one year this BS travelling . This was written, .the only remaining 35 anachronisms is the raw sewage that comes out of your comments
@@dcarts5616 you cant make this stuff up , yet people believe Ancient Wooden Barge Submarines took LIVE ANIMALS,AN BEEHIVES FOR ONE YEAR ACROSS THE OCEANS, full of food for them plus the 8 inch hole with a plug for air...
I wish they would use the tools they have now to search.for bodies..etc..first it was central america..then its heartland model..very confusing..why cant the prophet answer this...
It's up to us. Prophet is preaching faith, repentance, baptism, holy ghost which is most what we need as a people.
@@agreenhill6439 How incredibly convenient!
President Russel M. Nelson said about a year ago," that the Headquarters of the Lords church is in the Land choice above all other Land's". Most (all) of the Prophets have stated that the lands of the Bof M are in the USA! It's obvious to those of us who have studied the Heartland theory, find it to be correct.
@Ronald Dunlap As I understand it, the church's final headquarters is supposed to be in Independence, Missouri because that's allegedly where the Garden of Eden was located.
Now as to when exactly church hq is supposed to relocate there Idk other than it is supposed to happen sometime shortly before the Second Coming starts. So, when church hq does move there, then there's apparently a specific amount of time left (that's of significant importance) before the commencement of the Second Coming although Idk if that period of time has ever been defined. I will have to research it. But Independence, MO is fairly heartland, is not it?
Always its up to us..we dont pray enough..we dont study enough..we dont.repent enough...etc etc. Always the focus is on members and not the leaders. Fed up of this...its wrong..its damaging and its a turn off now to me....
I'm a massive fan of this kind of thing but the incredible leaps of logic and conjecture makes this hard to take seriously.
I agree with u a100% and now they come with a movie called lost city of Z
I FEEL the heartland is the place of the Book of Mormon story. I just feel it’s true. It’s right.
Thanks so much for this ❤
Absolutely!
The problem with the Heartland Theory (Limited Georgraphy Model) is the drastic lack of evidence that really matches the history. There are interesting sites to be found there, but they are not BOM, they are Neolithic. You're not looking at BOM sites. You're looking at early Genesis sites. Pre-Noah.
If Adamondiaman is in the Heartland - these are the sites of the people of Adam, Pre-Flood.
For BOM sites, look at where there are depictions of men with beards. You are not going to find that in the Heartland region. You do find that down in the Mesoamerica region.
Thanks George for your comments. There are quite a few sites and carbon dating puts a lot of these things in the Hopewell timeline which matches up with BOM dates.
Are you for real? How much evidence does it take for people to accept truth. South America isn't even doctrinally based and goes directly against the scriptures and statements by Joseph Smith!
And yet Mesoamerican civilizations are of asian/Hindu decent. Not to mention the language is wrong, the DNA is wrong the religon is wrong. The timeline is wrong and they continued to thrive and exist after the nephites where destroyed. And The mesoamerican theries originated in the RLDS and FLDS church's
Alma 23:28,, Aaron is teaching the father of Lamoni and gives him a history lesson. On the west of the Land of Nephi by the borders of their father's
first inheritance. I take that as meaning Lehi? Just a refernce.
Nice insight!
The Book of Mormon land south (Zarahemla) is not in Iowa.
Where is it?
@@darrisellis8810 Central America.
@@TP-vu3tc That is contrary to scripture the Prophets and Joseph Smith.
@@darrisellis8810 Where? Chapter and verse.
Its on Mars
What the flip are you eating and smacking on ? 😂😮
I was going through my in laws things when I found something that looks like what I have seen in some of your videos. My Father in law lived in Missouri Iowa and Illinois . I am interested in selling it if anyone wants to buy it.
Awesome. What is the best way to reach out to you?
@@agreenhill6439 I do not know if my response is getting through I have never used this way of communicating if I dont hear back soon I will try again . I just have not been involved with RUclips. I I do is watch and do thumbs ups on videos. I hope this gets to you.
How do I contact you? Richard Peralta, Logan, UT
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I worked there for the NPS, that is not BOM lands, lmao!
NPS doesn't seem to have all the answers.
@@agreenhill6439 That is what I stated. I was a Archeologist and I did my research, because the LDS church wanted to know. I was a Bishop too, and told them: nope no LDS artifacts was found.
@@happyarchaeologist I understand. Thanks for the clarification. Your input is greatly appreciated.
@@happyarchaeologist What do you mean LDS artifacts? There is overwhelming evidence for the Hopewell to have been the Nephites and the Adena the Jaredites.Lot's and Lot's of artifacts that match perfectly with the Hopewell/Nephite timeline. But most importantly the scriptual evidence points to North America/USA as the lands of the BofM !
So the 2 hour video didn't provide any proof?
31:16 Camells and llamas, my friend. There's arqueological evidence about it.
Fascinating to discover and I think debate is healthy.
I want a divorce
The Bible does not need such fine tuned BS.