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HEDDphone vs HiFiMan Arya & Sennheiser HD800S
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2020
- Shout out to my buddy Alex for letting me borrow his HEDDphones for two weeks for this review, thanks!
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- HEDD Audio HEDDphones: amzn.to/2ZtIZmM
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- Sennheiser HD800S: amzn.to/36HPUvD
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- S.M.S.L. SP200: amzn.to/3cfEUab
- Woo Audio WA22: wooaudio.com/amplifiers/wa22
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- RME ADI-2: amzn.to/2yPb4vu
- Chord Qutest: amzn.to/2YTDJtq
- Denafrips ARES II: www.denafrips.com/ares
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Man such a detailed review! Thank you! I've been needing the comparison between HEDDphone and 800S but no one does it but you!
Thank you Midfi Guy, i was looking forward to your review
The way you described the Arya finally convinced me to buy a pair. Sounds like everything I like in a phone. Thank you.
Thanks for the video. Nice to see a comparison with the Heddphone. Owning Arya and Aeolus myself and I'm pretty happy with this combo at the moment. Looking forward to the DAC comparison. I also appreciate that you give very useful Track information. Already found some very good ones thanks to you.
Much appreciated for the kind words!
I'm really digging the retro style intro. It sets you apart from the other youtubers.
Nice video, very helpful as a HEDDs owner looking at 800S. The flowerpot on the equipment is divine :-)
Thank you so much for this review. It’s EXACTLY what I was looking for. I’m much more interested in hearing an educated audiophile’s impressions rather than hearing someone reading off specs. Along with assessing the pros and cons of different headphones and music preferences, it’s also important to consider one’s system.
I own the 800S and a Cary 300SEI integrated amplifier with Synergistic Research Blue Fuses, Grayhill selector switch, two Bybee iQSEs, 1 NOS TUNG-SOL Made In USA 6sn7 (preamp tube), 2 NOS BRIMAR Made In England 6sn7 (driver tubes), and 2 Genalex Golden Lion 300B (power tubes). Stuart Jones (Chapman Audio) is going to upgrade it through the roof with silver bypass caps, Orange fuses, and other magic.
I’m using a ToneKraft cable from Audio Envy that complements the 800S beautifully. I can’t even listen with a stock cable after being spoiled. And Captain, President of Audio Envy, is releasing V.3 of the ToneKraft in a couple months. He promised it will impart an even more analog character and golden halo to the sound without sounding artificial. I’ll be first in line.
But while the 800S sounds great in my system, it can sound awful with components that don’t complement its sonic signature. I was over at a friend’s apartment last week listening to my 800S through his solid state McIntosh integrated amplifier. And it sounded clinical and lifeless.
Here I am considering the HEDDPHONE TWO, finding this vid, and seeing it’s been 6 months since you uploaded!
Hope you’re doing good and plan to make more vids when you have the free time my man! ✌️
Another fantastic review! Nice job my man! I really enjoy your content. I’ve owned all three of these headphones, but the HEDDphone was just too uncomfortable and had too much clamp. In the end, I still have the Arya, while the others have been sold.
Thanks dude! The HEDD is such a great value for the money but I agree it's not for everybody. Curious if more brands will get on the AMT train
MidFi Guy if they can improve the bass response and make them lighter and more comfortable, they will be a true game changer. But just like you said, it’s a very good first effort.
Is the heddphone fine for someone with a bigger than average head?
Thank you very much for the comparisons and the review of the HEDDphone
It is my preference over the others. While I really like the Arya, I never got friends with the 800s. Though still miss the opportunity to have used a Tube or hybrid. So who knows :)
Love the HEDDphone out of the RME ADI 2 DAC fs > THXAAA789 stack and really want to audition the HEDD with the Violectric V280 in mid future.
Really looking forward to your DACs video!
Good luck with moving
Hope it goes well for you and your family and you can soon enjoy the new space.
Thanks for the kind words. Making these videos is definitely a strain on free time but I like comparing things and answering questions I've always had in this hobby.
Love your reviews as usual. For some reason I hear a buzzing sound on certain moments on this video. Only this video so far but might be my headphones?
Thanks for a great comparison video with hd800s. I decided to keep 800s!
Awesome review!
Describing the HD800 S as giving you brain tickle, love it. I don't own a pair, but I'm considering the Drop HD8XX. I hope we see a lot more from you going forward.
I just purchased the Heddphone and I already have the Arya which I love so I'm looking forward to comparing the 2 myself.
Best intro in the biz right here folks.
wow great video can't wait for the dac shootout!
Got the Arya few weeks back and your comparative review surely impacted my decision. I will say it was one of the best decisions ever audio expenditure wise. I really wish the build quality was better like some beyerdynamic cans. it would make it a 10/10 product but hey, nothing is perfect.
Honestly, while the Arya's build isn't the greatest compared to other similarly priced headphones from other manufacturers, its still built relatively well. Doesn't feel like they're gonna fall apart even if you drop them. The only components that are actually plastic are the earcups themselves, and even then the plastic is of high quality. (The yokes are actually hollow aluminum, which you can tell by flicking them with your fingernail.) Build quality is far better than earlier Hifimans at least.
@@nortonfamily6711 well it's doing pretty well. Recently I upgraded the amp to A90 (previously I used the amp section of dx7 pro which has very good DAC but weak amp). The low end improved drastically on the Arya. Thanks again for your review of Arya!
@@damienriot I use my Arya's with my Denafrips Ares 2 and Burson Soloist 3x amp really makes the music sound analogue and layered smooth and tames the treble no more fatigue makes the vocals sound sweet I love it
great review
Thanks for the good reviews, just wondering if you can borrow a DAP (i.e Astell&Kern, FiiO, Sony, iBasso etc...) that can work with the Arya? If not, we can put it in some future reviews. Thanks a million! More power!
Nice work! For someone who listens to classical and jazz equally as much as rock and pop, which 2 of these 3 would make the best pair?
Good reviews! What are your favorite headphones?
Own the Arya as my open back and Elegia for closed back. Love the combo. They sound so different. Arya makes me smile and say wow. Elegia is very dynamic and feels like you just entered a club. It's missing bass reponae, but with EQ they come alive. Looked at the HED, but could not deal with weight and having two bricks with a headband. Comfort is #1 then sound. Great video.
Thanx 👍💎
Great review as the former 4 way shootout! No overuse of fancy audiophile words other reviewers like to do.
Considered the HEDD, but as one other person said here, confort must be the number one spot. As i'm wearing headphones for hours on end everything above ~500g is just too much to be comfortable. And this one is even above 700g, isn't it?
The Focal Clear besides my Arya is around 450g and although it is nearly as comfortable as the Arya for me, it shouldn't be more heavy than this.
Looking forward to that denafrips vs rme dac vid!
Me too 😁!!
Denafrips hands down
@@cd-rom. Based on what? I think it very much depends on the equipment you pair it with.
Try it yourself. It’s only $700
@@cd-rom. Unfortunately it is not available for try out in NL, the RME is (120 days). The import price is also more close to 950 dollars, which is not spare cash for me, so with the RME similar priced I also get a THX789 like amp for free, preamp capabilities and very advanced EQ. So although the Denafrips is better in terms of smoothness and naturalness, I also read that some reviewers find R2R is better for classical and jazz, while chip dacs are better for speed and dynamics (in this price range. But you are right, if I don’t try it I won’t know, I maybe will. But nevertheless I would appreciate ones personal experience instead of just someone saying “hands down” without any background or explanation. Did you own both?
Dude...where's your DAC shootout video ? Waiting eagerly for it. Quite eagerly actually.
Does the Arya sound better with a balanced cable on a balanced amp as opposed to single ended? I have an Arya with a Topping DX7 Pro which has a balanced output but I don’t have the cable. I’m wondering if it’ll improve sound if I invest in a balanced cable. I know that balanced output has twice the power.
headphone comfort is also about non fatiguing sound. hedd compensates for its weight in its very non fatiguing and smooth nonharsh highs
Which headphone would you say is the most detailed?
I like you're videos, seems pretty humble. I sense no bias, you seem extremely informative for the more casual audiophile. And even for a more extreme audiophile you bring a great comparison of these headphones.
Thanks!! You're right I try to do a more casual style, I'm not at the level of the other guys but I enjoy the hobby all the same!
@@MidFiGuy keep up the exceptional work and educational headphone break downs! We all look forward to it 🙏
MidFi Guy you sell yourself short. You’re definitely at their level. You just have a different style, which is also a good thing.
Your retro intro music is too good...
Where did you buy that amp and dac stand/rack? The one the rme adi2 is placed on.
I had that fluttering sound coming from my z7's left earcup before, I opened it up and it turned out to be a wire hitting the driver, I taped them to the cups using a surgical tape and it flutters no more
Could you maybe throw in the iFi Zen Dac ($130) in the mix of dacs you’re about to review just as a budget comparison reference against the pricier dacs in your roundup? thanks
The schiit bifrost 2 as well if its possible?
You should review the Shure SRH1840. Professionals rave about it, but barely anyone in the audiophile community has reviewed it
It’s bright and lacks bass. It’s not a highly regarded headphone, which is why it has so few reviews.
Will you do a BH mainline amp review?
thnx for the review man....appreciate your hardwark.
Please do have a look at FA-10 vs v280 if poosible
Is there anything flagship apart from the audezes that are warm and less fatiguing. The HEADPHONE is heavy just as the audezes.
Thank you
ZMF Verite.
Very nice
So which one is better? Arya vs HD800S?
Hello,
Do you think the he6se Can compete with these ? Regards, Greg from France
I'm wondering the politeness you perceived on the heddphone was poorer dynamics because it wasn't amped properly; I think those things probably require speaker amps.
No they definitely do not. The Susvara and HE-6 do though. The HEDDphone is no more difficult to drive than the Hifiman HEK series.
Would you mind telling us, which third party cable you showed with the HEDDphone?
I have a Forza Audioworks, which I very much enjoy and yours looks great!
It was an ALO Audio Reference 16. I think this exact model has been discontinued but it was $1k new! My buddy lent that to me as well for the review. Forza is solid too!
Just to add, from my own experience auditioning the HEDD, they sound good through the Nordost Heimdall 2 cable as well.
What do you use to drive HEDD ? I’ve iFi iDSD Micro BL - will it be good to drive it or I need something else if I buy HEDD ?
Violectric 590 pro is the best solution 🙂👍
You should get Sonarworks when you want a completely flat response
In so many reviews headphones are compared to the HD800s. And the Sens seem to come out as good or better. In a number of attributes.
Hi. Did you replace Cayin HA-6A to WA22? What is the reason? I was thinking the Cayin HA-6A is more superior amplifier? Now I am in dilemma. Which one to buy Cayin or WA22. Any brief recommendations? Need to place order in the next 3days. Regards, Kim
It's being fixed he still owns it.
Do you use EQ for your headphones?
I'm curious are you a musician? I haven't seen too many reviewers talking about the importance of timbre and tonality vs all the other stuff. For me it's so important. If an instrument doesn't sound like they do in real life I have such a hard time enjoying it. I guess if I was listening to all electronic it wouldn't be a problem but as I mostly listen to instrumental (lots of snarky puppy and stuff like that) I love to hear good timbre. I have a theory that musicians might listen to to things like timbre and tonality differently than others. I don't know maybe I'm wrong. Anyways great review!
I am on the neverending quest to find the best timbre and tonality while still retaining nice technicalities lol, especially for piano as I play myself. I think it is different in a way. If something doesn't sound right to me I don't like it (I had the Nightowls for a very short time and they sounded waaaaay off).
Please do more videos.
Are you using the revisioned arya in this review?
Very interesting... just came from your 4-headphone review where the Arya seemed to come out on top. Amazing that your description of the Arya is starting to sound more like the way Z-reviews describes it in this context. Curious how the LCD-X would compare to these HEDD's? Trying to decide on a pair, upgrading from HD598's. Feel like I'm getting closer to a decision. Thanks!
10/10 Just for the Roger Moore comment alone! Lol. . Thanks! Great review!
40Hz test tone or frequency sweeps may damage the headphone. It should never be used to test headphones, especially if the volume is turned up beyond 80db to “test” the drivers.
I'd love if someone could compare Arya (or hdv800s) against akg 712. Anyone?
I heard them both. K712 my favourite by a lot.
Hi. Do IEM's sound better than Headphone at same price point?
Starting at about 300, no. Below that, yes.
Great review. But I'd personally eliminate the HEDDphone because it's just so uncomfortable you're not even paying attention to it's sound sig. I Felt like I was wearing a helmet on my head. I've got the HD 800s and Arya Stealth and they are both benchmark HP's at the $1600 price range. And they are different enough to own both
A HEDDache?
It`s not the first one....Precide (Switzerland) made AMTs Headphone for many years
There is no way the Arya can ever be called fatiguing or shouting.
I love the Arya (and own it) but it can get fatiguing sometimes. I switch t my Meze Empyreans when I want a little smoother sound with zero fatigue. Different presentations is all.
Mike S Hey Mike, what would you say the strengths of the Empyrean are? Which genres are best for it? I’m looking to pick one up as an alternate headphone next to my Focal Clears and Meze 99 classics. I recently picked up the classics to evaluate Meze at their budget offerings before making the jump.
It depends on the dac and amp... it can def get uncomfortable
How is 718g even comparable to 400 or 360g? Mids 'distance' on Arya comes from audiophiles bizzare idea that you have to use HEADPHONE amp to drive headphones like they have special ability for low floor noise or low impendance output, thats already there with any modern high quality integrated amp. Give 6-7+ watts of pure class A power (bassicly 100w+ AB class amp) to Arya and you'll have essentially Stax + full body/range & true dynamics.
Your videos are excellent, your description, detail and persona will take you above some other channels in due course...keep them coming. Certainly hope you gain a lot of new subscribers. My only piece of advice...loose the pot pants man! I mean putting them on any HiFi gear is pure blasphemy. You'll loose viewers if you continue such ignorant behavior. Take the the feedback in the positive light it is meant, you'll become a better person...
This is Mid Fi?
My thought exactly. Why does a reviewer called MidFi guy almost exclusively review expensive high end gear? I realize a lot in this hobby is relative and subjective, but by no objective measure is the Hifiman Arya, the cheapest can here, midfi.
Well, it is mid-fi compared to hi-if.
@@piotrosinski-petestradamus6204 no, every can mentioned here is high end
Pel Pan Not to me it isn’t. The Hedd certainly sound like summit-fi stuff.
718 grams and a rattling driver for 1900 bucks? Yikes. Back to the drawing board, I’d say. Can’t see many people buying that.
HEDDphone stuns my ear and neck..-0-;
if poets do some headphone review...
"Don't start a flamewar"...throws gasoline at the comment section xP
The HEDD looks much better than the Arya.
That's a wrong opinion
Lol nice intro. Shook Ones nice choice. Only real gangsta audiophiles knows that. Those heddphones looks ridiculous on your head. They should update the design and weight imo. Gimme Ananda, LCD 2, Elex, T1.2 review. Sundara, DT 1990, HD660s, LCD 1 review as well. Mid fi closed backs would be nice as well. Emu Teak, AFC, DT 1770, Denon D5200 and alike.
Yea dude so many to review. Sometimes I wonder if yet another Sundara review is worth the time & effort, there seems to be dozens already.
@@MidFiGuy Yeah so Sundara reviews but it will be your opinion so worth doing it.
To be fair, Arya is a waste of money. You look at the reviews, try them maybe, you buy them, burn them in for 150-200h and in time you find out that when you reach for a pair of headphones, 90% of the time you won't pick Arya. I didn't realized why until now, but I think you are 100% right. The fact that I need to always turn the volume up and down, and let my brain adjust for the volume, will register in your brain as a mediocre experience. My other headphones are DT880 (600ohm), T50 RP MK3, and HD600, so on paper Arya should stand head and shoulder above the rest, yet HD 600 and DT880 are my most used headphones (in that order) with T50 on 3rd place.
Bottom line Arya loses not to Hedd or other headphones around that price, but it loses to headphones that cost 10 time less. Does perform better in some areas? Sure, Arya can do miracles but miracles made nice stories, not good experience. For example in JL002 - Kobra Ensemble: Summer Rain (Ternheim) at some point the voices start resonate and Arya was the only headphone that was able to reproduce the very small differences in the voices so the resonance wasn't present. Again cool, impressive story... not an impressive overall experience.
Ed gives good Hedd
Arya has better speed than Heddphone? And hd800s better detail retrieval? Lol. Bro, you are high. I have these 3, and the only advantage of hd800 over the hedd is stage and maging and arya is just better in staging and bass.
Tbh I was expecting the HEDD's to obliterate the Arya's in attack & decay based on some posts I've seen but that didn't seem to be my experience. Curious what is your equipment chain?
@@MidFiGuy i have recently purchased the topping A90-D90 stack and heddphone is way better than both- Hedd>hd800(original)>arya in details. Even in my old tube system ECP dsha L2 hedd is better but the gap between the hd800 seems closer since hd800 really shines on this setup.
Based on other reviews, the Hedd was being said to be almost at par with the LCD4 in detail retrieval (headphoneshow, resolve reviews). On soundstage, the hedd CEO was quoted saying they engineered the cups to be large and the heddphones to be that big so that they would shine on soundstage (Canjam 2020). The weight had to be that way so that they wont compromise on perfomance and soundstage. On speed, AMT is considered to be fast, the design allows for increased air velocity and they produce sound with a mechanism that can be likened to an accordian, so I was quite surprised you mentioned the Arya to be quite fast.
So now i am guessing its all subjective, I will need to audition them out to take my pick.
I had already talked to scan uk for a Hedd & RME DAC 2 bundle pre order and will soon be on my way to make the payment. So I am still on the fence.
Anyway, the source, RME ADI 2 DAC > PHONITOR X / THX 789, MidFi Guy i would be looking forward to what you have to say on DACs
@@tendayimavhima try getting the topping A90 instead of 789
@@jekken333 particular reason?
No tv geeks freaking iust when @MidFi Guy said Samsungs 2020 OLED tvs?
LOL... Samsung doesn't make OLED TVs. ;)
The hedd looks weird
Not bad, but they just look ridiculous, in comparison the Abyss 1266 Phi TC looks like normal headphones, they really need to change the shape, make it less bulky and big and possibly reduce weight from this thing.
this headphone is good for that music and that headphone is good for this music. 😂 in short every audio equipment is good for something. there is nothing bad. everything can be rated in between 8.7 and 9.2 out of 10. Why over the years reviewers have become goody goody to everything. Why can't they give clear ratings and preference or group test winner or ranking ? Is it too much internet exposure or are you afraid of not getting review samples. 😂
i listened to all type of songs and music for years and owned few endgame audiophile headphones and using hd800s now ( spend around 5K on audio gear ) , what i see and think it's true that music and songs is ALWAYS after few days or weeks for In her best condition gonna make you bored and need to change audio gear again to enjoy them little again , and this circle will never end music always gonna be boring.
In fact, from my personal opinion about my personal experience.
The only thing that whenever I listen to it all year with any cheap headphone even if it was broken I do not feel bored is to hear the Quran
trenbolone i agree, i have the 800, they sound of course very very good, but i think they are so detailed that at one point you start to listen only the small details and the sound of the headphone instead of the music itself.
Maybe I enjoy Music more from my cheap car system because i have no expectation of quality.
Samsung doesn't sell oled never have
Sorry I was talking about their Galaxy phones but I said TV's right before 😖
Edit- I see you mean amoled vs oled.
I understood what you were saying I just wanted to let you know you. Yes, you transitioned into saying Samsung phones to TVs and then oleds hehe it's cool.
But apple buys their their oled screens from Samsung......
@@callmevil he said tv... apple doesnt have tv... then he said phone.... samsung makes apple amoled screen... maybe he is talking about their camera production... i mean most samsung phones have a setting for their color accuracy... much less complicated than EQ-ing a headphone...
Arya has tooo much energy on top.
MidFi huh?
Rated down...
i threw up my arms when I noticed ur I noticed you had plants on top of ur gear - why man why???? noooo just no don't do that
same story again. praising the timbre, transparency, vocals, accuracy and natural sound of one equipment but preferring ultimately what is colored . why you reviewers are always afraid of what is more accurate. 😂🤣😂
Accurate does not always equal enjoyable, like how a music studio sounds flat and accurate versus a home stereo setup that is fun and exciting or more relaxed.