Even Rick and Mory has to admit that some problems don't need an adventure to be solved, just someone to point in the right direction and help you find it.
@@Leonardo_Mantovani But finally someone managed to do it right, self inserts mostly results in a disaster in so many ways, but not only she is loved by the fans but she moves the plot indirectly in a positive way without taking over the show.
technically she's not using the tone that makes people mad, she's using the tone that makes people think about it, realised it and say "oh damn you're right, how come i haven't thought of it this way", and Rick can be reasonable (i meant this Rick in particular in case someone wants to say otherwise) and learn from his mistakes whenever someone tells him about it
What I love most about Dr. Wong is that she managed to undermine Beth in seconds. She wanted to be the adult in the room, but Wong managed to hit her weak spot: Not making her all that important
She also understands her role as a *family* therapist. Beth is trying to paint a picture, when Morty has his outburst Dr. Wong immediately knows Beth is full of shit and pursues the actual root of the problems - Rick and the effect his antics have on them. And Summer and Morty both stare wide eyed at Beth after Dr. Wong correctly identifies the family dynamic because they both agree
@@l3ftie578I’m a counseling student, and that’s genuinely something we do. Discrepancy between content (what the client says) and affect (the client’s non verbal cues) is a great way of teasing out deeper tension.
I am a psych major considering entering the field of counseling too, and I love learning about these things outside of the lecture hall@@mistyautumnwoods
@@ApexGalehonestly, Beth reminds me of my mother and stepdad in therapy sessions when I was a kid. They’d talk over me, tell them all about how I was the problem, and nothing they did was to blame, and the therapist took my side when she saw my behavior with them, and listened to me talk (albeit I wasn’t allowed to say anything “bad” or I’d be punished). What did my mother do when she couldn’t manipulate the therapist? We didn’t see her anymore.
@@bananaeclipse3324Definitely. I do experiments as often as necessary to figure things out. It’s one of the reasons I don’t date anymore- I have collected enough data to know that I pathologically choose emotionally unhealthy people and that’s bad for me.
@@anjelica948 but you can change that you know. You can learn how to notice signs that a person is bad and try to work around it. I'm not saying you have to date someone but I want you to know that it's okay to try again.
I like how Dr Wong didn’t think the Pickle was a metaphor for a second. She knew that Rick had actually done that and really had the capabilities to do so.
@@theyux1 I like looking at it that way, because Wong's composure is so good that its basically impossible to tell if she actually believed the pickle thing, or if she was surprised when Rick showed up AS a pickle, and frankly the impact it had on the family was more important then determining the objective truth there.
Well, not too long ago the Earth was being run by bug aliens for some time. A scientist being able to turn himself into a sentient pickle doesn’t sound too farfetched after all that
I mean the Earth did get annexed by the Federation so most people by the time Dr Wong appeared the concept of Aliens and advanced technology should’ve been common knowledge by then.
I think this line says A LOT. She calmly states she wants to "discuss" the flamethrower that was meant to kill her, she shows no sign of fear in a life threatening situation (even though this is new to hear unlike everyone else there), and at the end her concern is not for her life or her office... only the painfully obvious observation that her intellect and potential are being wasted. Now, when the conditions became right that's the same sort of motivations that drove someone like Walter White in Breaking Bad... and he wasn't a psychopath. I believe Dr. Wong has all the signs of a textbook psychopath. Rick is a sociopath; the dulled empathy, the impulsivity, self destructive tendencies like risk taking and substance abuse, etc. Wong is something that has the potential to be far more dangerous AND she's one of the few people shown to match the intellect of Rick.
@@firestrikeriii5043 , she shows the characteristics of one... whether they want to go that direction or not is irrelevant. The pieces that are there would fit.
I love how it perfectly balances the annoyances of therapy, people's generally negative view of therapy, and the end result of it if you take it seriously. With slight exception to the whole "fly thing"
And it’s precisely because he is so intelligent, that he understands how he damages other people. It’s why he despises himself. She is a symbol of self improvement that Rick cannot beat because deep down he agrees with everything she says.
@@TheGrifter42 And, on top of all that, if he *did* kill her, it would ultimately just prove her right; the only way he can salvage his ego is if he can assert his genius - she's the one challenge right now that he can't actually win with violence. And the best part is, she isn't even trying to 'win' anything, her only goal is to help him become a better person, which pisses him off so much because on one level, his ego believes that's implying he's not as great as he thinks he is (and fuck that!) but on another level he knows that he actually IS a piece of shit person and since he does care about the other people in his life despite himself, he'd like to be less of a piece of shit person if only so they aren't hurt so much by his shittiness. The fact that they manage to convey this dynamic through the medium of piss jokes and explosions only makes me think someone in the writers' room deserves a raise. :)
the raw power of therapist, the power of " calm down and let's talk about this problem and why does it makes you mad, does it reminds you of something unpleasant..."
If Rick killed the therapist it would prove to his family she was right and that he killed her out of spite for calling him out,also if Rick touch her it would prove he wasn't able to outsmart her in a dialogue and that his only way left to get back at her is with violence,what would be pathetic
@@capertillar4634 That is an issue with access and governance their statement still remains true. Perhaps, it's a social issue you can help champion and thus make the world a better place I mean fuck we desperately need it since mental health issues are barely discussed. Sure, you'll get advocacy for things that have strong visible components but I don't see shit for autism, schizophrenia, torrets syndrome, dyslexia or the many other mild to serious mental health problems hell even depression has a fairly muted discourse on it.
Rick's vulnerabilities are what makes him such an interesting character, like how he's willing to talk with Wong about his problems despite refusing to admit he has them
i love the "therapist hands" she does to indicate she has a concern but in a nonconfrontational way. I'm a social worker and find myself doing it too lol
Dr. Wong is hands down the only character in this series who qualifies as an actual rival or nemesis for Rick specifically because she is not a villain/enemy. He doesn't discuss problems he incinerates them. Because he *loses* when he has to discuss them. I would like to see more of Wong and maybe Rick gets some character growth but I know the show's creators hate sustained plotlines and prefer episodic content even though the arcs in this series have thus far been vastly superior to the episodic content.
If Nothing in life matters, then why even live but here Wong gives us some real truths, its a choice to believe that. its a choice to quit and its a choose to keep going. Honestly this is some perfect advice and I love it
I feel like the end of the show will be in part due to Wong breaking down Rick’s problems and allowing him to finally give up this sci-fi stuff to live with his family like he’s wanted to do since the start
That's what he needs from her. He's always responded well to being called out for his nonsense, but the next step that I'm sure Wong was about to get to is finding an alternative solution to the problem his nonsense is responding to (in the case of the dumb puppets, communication)
@@alexlovelady8249 which wong suggests that shes gotta start being the bigger person and take the consequences of every mistake shes made basically exceeding better then rick and being her own person and I think it's the reason she loves jerry its cus jerry is his own person entirely (granted not the greatest) jerry doesnt have to prove y hes better cus he knows hes not he just sucks at life and that's how he lives with it
@@onepieceking1770 Jerry doesn’t even suck at life honestly, he’s just an average guy who has dreams. They aren’t large but they’re special to him. He’s just bullied by his own family which would make anyone feel miserable
@@alexlovelady8249 true but when I say he sucks at life I'm meaning in the sense of jerry is trying to fit in with the crowds (in a sense like trying to relive highschool if he had a social life there) but every opportunity he gets to have that jerry somehow messes it up or someone else dumps that on him it's like putting a balance somewhere where beth could technically succeed with following in rick's scientific footsteps (which shes proven to do so) or succeed in her way of life (in the way u would put it living the normal life standards like jerry does)
@@alexlovelady8249 exactly, we can even see him have minor successes like cooking, keeping bees, even writing a book, jerry is a normal guy in a chaotic world, and hes unironically held back because the rest of the family having insane standards due to ricks science nonsense, he would honestly be somewhat successful and probably wouldnt have even had his pathetic moments earlier in the series if his family encouraged him
Okay can we mention how Wong kept the Smith family as clients-- even AFTER the rigged flaming chair? Therapists can and do fire clients for plenty of reasons and that would have been a very good one 😂I think Rick was kind of hoping so they wouldn't have to go to therapy anymore. She was smart enough to realize the installment of the flaming death-chair was his way of mentally taking control of the situation because he hates feeling emotionally vulnerable.
I think She realises they REALLY need her input and their probably much more interesting clients than 90% of her other work. A steady 200+ dollars an hour from a family who will likely be able to afford it if Ric is covering the bill (and charging him for any damage he causes to her office) is likely a contributing factor too.
@@Dracattacki actually don’t think that’s worth considering at all, even if it’s true, because it’s clear they’re invested in their relationship with her.
@@Dracattack doesnt make sense cause that means hitting a reset button every single time and you're stuck with reintroducing the same stuff over and over in a maddening loop.
The reason why Wong seems so insightful, is she is an expert in the human brain. Rick is an expert at everything, making him less human, making it harder for him to feel and understand how to deal with human emotion.
Guess the main thing in life we need to really down is honestly stop looking for answers. stop looking at the big picture and do what we can in life to make the best to our ability
Rick is also less of a scientist than an engineer-he doesn't care about the pursuit of truth, he cares about the results he can achieve. Dr. Wong is much more of a scientist than Rick is, and she would never assert it to him, because that would be pointless self-aggrandizement. She wants to help people, while Rick wants to be seen as the smartest, coolest, most dangerous person in the room. That's an obvious sign of insecurity, whether you can do it or not.
What I love about Dr. Wong is the ironic aspect of how she beats Rick: She’s not trying. She’s not trying to outsmart him, she’s not trying to challenge him that she’s more, she doesn’t try to present herself as something Rick needs to topple, she simply is doing her job, and as simple as it is, this is something Rick IS NOT used to. Rick lives in danger every moment and gets so much ego and fun knowing that he can topple any threat becuz every thing that comes after him wants to be a threat to him becuz he’s this perfect asshole that needs to die but Wong doesn’t talk to him in that mentality, she talks to him like a simple person, a normal person with problems. Which Rick thou he tries to denie and blow off, he really appreciates it inside
Another thing is that Dr wong doesnt fear rick at all, she knows that if he kills her it will only prove that shes right. And rick absolutely hates being wrong
Her monologue about the hard work of self-care has lived rent free in my head for years. That repairing, maintaining and cleaning aren't an adventure, they're just mundane tasks we have to be willing to commit to as an assertion against chaos and sickness, and that we all have the freedom to choose the path to well being or the path to decay.
you know what I find Ironic? Beth is the one who wanted the family to go to therapy, everyone else was reluctant. Or in ricks case, literally willing to turn into a vinegar doused vegetable dildo than go. But as soon as they all get there, in one way or another, it all actually seems to help them in some way, and they all get into it... EXCEPT for Beth. She starts getting more frustrated the more Morty/Summer open up. (All this probably because she was secretly hoping the therapist would side with her and gang up on the rest of the family in hopes for moral psychological control of some sort). and when Dr.Wong does her analysis pitch, Beth just tells her "Fuck You".
As someone who went to family therapy as a child, quite often the visit is desired by one or both parents after they’ve failed to make their child develop an unhealthy obedience complex, in the hope that the therapist will just tell their children that they need to listen to their parents more. It’s usually a last Hail Mary attempt to regain an unhealthy level of control over their children, and if it starts to actually make the family more healthy, the original parent won’t like it anymore.
@@RoundusMongusMaking the family more healthy requires parents to be accountable for their actions and words instead of waving the imaginary because “I’m your authority figure” wand to magically make your problems go away.
That's because she never wanted actual therapy for herself, she really was hoping that the therapist would take her side and help "discipline" everyone else in her family in some sort of sick, twsited way
i think shes really the reality check character everyone needs. i've seen a lot of people adopt ricks personality because hes one of the main characters and he's adored but he really is a toxic piece of shit and people idolize him because they find him "realistic" when he's just overly pessimistic and harsh about everything. you dont want to be a rick, and it doesnt make you a better or smarter person because you think the world sucks and trying to be him is going to make you miserable. he's just a character that was made up by people. i'm not really trying to get at anything here but all i'm saying is i think people take his character too seriously
A bit late here, but the big thing about GOOD edgy characters is that they all have one thing in common: They are suffering. They are suffering from a combination of bad luck and their own actions after the fact, caught in a cycle that they can't seem to escape. People who want to be an edgy character don't want to be in pain. They want the cool aesthetic that comes with being a pain-filled mess, without all the baggage. They want people to pity them, but don't want to be pitiful. They want to be the guy who has all the power, not thinking of how much he sacrificed to get there. Including his own humanity.
There are far too many people who idolize and think themselves Rick, but fail to see that the show is demonstrating his absolute dysfunction. Which is why she is so great!!
i love how the teacher is there to stop eating shit, gets turned into a fly by rick, a creature that literally survives eating shit, and is cured by the experience
"Well, Dr. Wong, by the way racist name." My brother's name is Jamal and basically is one of the most stereotypical names to be given to a black guy. And when we first watched this I just remember slowly turning my head towards him and him punching my shoulder as soon as he noticed 😂
I mean yeah that's really weird for Beth to say, white people don't get offended when someone's named John Smith, it's a stereotype because it's common
@@orangeinkius7257Jamal is not a common black name tho. Neither Tyrone. Maybe for black american but they are only 40 millions out of 1 billions Black people worldwide.
I get that you have to be careful with clips, but you missed her biggest thing: her speech to Rick that working on yourself isn't an adventure, but it's worthwhile in it's own way.
Cause there was likely a factual reason as to why he turned himself into a pickle. She hadnt met rick fully then, and as she said, she isnt there to judge. She Met Jerry, and tbh.., its a Fucking jerry.
She called Jerry crazy to his face when he was acting infantile to get out of having to actually deal with their issues, she didn't pass judgement on Rick until she'd met him and once she did she knew better than to take an antagonistic stance - which is different from setting clear boundaries, which she also did, and wouldn't you know it? Rick actually respects that.
@@ZetsubouGintama Rick is as pathetic as jerry's tantrums. Rick is smart, but that does not change the fact that he is his own worst enemy, causes destruction and pain to others, his own family and himself. Refuses to take responsibility and deflect and deny his issues.(A trait his daughter picked up) Rick is as infantile as Jerry, only his behaviors effects of his behaviors span worlds and universes and he has a snarky personality to cover it all up
"I don't pass judgement." "Well TV gives British people prizes for baking, Jerry." Not even the therapist will remain neutral for Jerry when it's quite literally in their job description
That's definitely not in our job description. In couples counseling, the relationship is the patient. If one person is pulling some bullshit, we tell them to stop. That's not a thing, neutrality being part of the job at all. This is infantile deflection and he clearly knows it, so he can cut it out.
Out of all the TV shows and movies that I've seen, Dr. Wong is probably the best description of what a good therapist and good therapy looks like. And to imagine that they still managed to make her funny without resorting to low level stereotypes about therapy and therapists is truly amazing. Either one of the writers has some therapy background (perhaps through education or personal experience) or they got someone to consult on the character of Dr. Wong. In either case, I absolutely love it.
I love how she says "Would you be interested in proving me wrong?" she knows exactly how to get through to him. She's getting him to do exactly what she asks while preserving his sense of control and power. I wish they still put this much thought into her dialogue with the writing.
Dr Wong literally unravel the Smith family the moment they walk in. she knew exactly what is wrong the first moment. her only problem is how to make them recognize the problem
I love how while Rick is the smartest person in most things, Wong clearly has a significantly higher intelligence when it comes to psychology and therapy
I love how whenever Dr.Wong makes a point and they see what she means there reactions are either mind blown and happy or they just give a face and curse like Beth 😂
"You don't shoot Batman in his Batman logo." Actually that's exactly what he wants you to do. The Batman logo is ment to be a target where his armor is the strongest. If he gets enemies to focus on it it will be less likely they will get a shot in that can actually do serious damage like on his face or between the plates of the suit.
Which is why you DON’T shoot there if you want your shots to do anything. It’s an obvious target that is not effected, just like calling rick old and ugly is pointless because he doesn’t care about that shit. That’s more what he was getting at
She's the Shaman to Rick's Wizard. Her Wisdom score is as high as his Intelligence score, and in certain situation being wise has more value than being smart.
1:34 - 1:57, that was a total win! I know that wasn't Wong's intention, but come on how can you not explain that moment in any way but a win? They drop a f-bomb like that on you, and pretty much got them on the ropes.
I love how Dr. Wong immediately looked onto beth, and knew from the start she was really the one who needed the thearapy, way more than summer and morty
its a new and interesting perspective and direction she adds to the show. with all the wacky stuff seen she applies real like therapy work to this god like being.
Even though ANY psychiatrist wouldn't lay everything out this quickly. Hurt people are very quick to deflect and unable to take the necessary accountability to heal. Wong has a very straight forward and concise psycho analysis on the entire Smith family. Wong is a superb psychiatrist.
I still cannot believe Rick and morty of all fucken shows gave probably the most accurate representation of a good therapist and when therapy is working
"what kind of question is that?" "the kind that wasn't designed to attack or hurt you in any way." Such a deliciously passive aggressive comeback. Going to start using it more often!
The therapist is so calm about the fact that he can intergalactically travel through space and time, even though a ufo crashed into her office. How is she sane?
Damn, this ending is AWESOME 😂😂😂, i love how they became like buddies and also that she calls him. The part where he realized he was making progress was so damn cool.
One thing I like about therapy is that you can experiment with your life with someone who has your perspective (if you learn not to lie to your therapist, which is something people struggle with). My therapist didn't make me feel judged when I told him about my secret problem. Instead, he helped me see how there was other solutions I could try if I wanted to without making me feel dumb or judged. It takes time and trial and error, but I'm not kidding when I say therapy really works.
Beth was always a bit too insecure. Makes sense cos she has abandonment issues. She desperately wants approval from her father which is why she rationalises her need for approval by elevating his achievements and downplaying his faults. Makes sense that you would want approval from a God and not from a bumbling, drunk moron who let his family die.
@@kAY-yl5en , plus Wong is challenging all of it, which would naturally lead to someone being defensive. On top of it all, part of Beth's issues are 1) not feeling like a professional and 2) not feeling she is on the same level intellectually as her father. Wong is the consummate professional and one of the few people in the show that seems to be able to challenge Rick intellectually. If Rick were to actually respect her this would be seen as a huge threat to Beth... because she desperate wants that for herself.
@@naejimba the irony is, that Rick came to respect her after their interactions, especially in season 6 where you can see that Rick started going to therapy.
I wish Rick had more sessions with Dr. Wong. It could be at the end of every 3 episode. He could go in messed up, get validation for his actions, the correction he needs and get cured that one day until he relapses in the next episode.
idk how to word this but that dialogue wasnt meant to be between the actual characters. the writers were pointing out that naming the only asian character is a stereotypical name, which was a joke
I legit love this character- pissmaster episode was one of my favorites out of pure 'Holy crap, Ricks evolving as a person and therapy seems to be doing good' I was sure they were going to go for the same 'Rick doesn't need a therapist and scares them away' route.
Probably the most wise character in the entire series. She’s the kind of therapist that everyone would want to have. Though Rick’s initial description of therapists as “agents of averageness” who just try to tell you what words have what meanings is true for many real life therapists, Wong is the exception
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I appreciate that they never made her into a joke.
She offers legitimately good advice and perspective.
Even Rick and Mory has to admit that some problems don't need an adventure to be solved, just someone to point in the right direction and help you find it.
That's because she's a self insert character made by one of the writers
@@Leonardo_Mantovani But finally someone managed to do it right, self inserts mostly results in a disaster in so many ways, but not only she is loved by the fans but she moves the plot indirectly in a positive way without taking over the show.
of course shes a joke. "if its free and fun, do it" thats straight up hedonism and extremely unhealthy.
I love how they actually gave her power over rick too in the sense that she can establish boundaries with him and it actually works.
Dr. Wong. One of the few people in the multiverse that can successfully chew Rick out in a civil manner and live to talk about it.
technically she can’t talk about it, doctor-patient confidentiality
@@AssortedMold268 Which contributes heavily to her being alive, probably.
technically she's not using the tone that makes people mad, she's using the tone that makes people think about it, realised it and say "oh damn you're right, how come i haven't thought of it this way", and Rick can be reasonable (i meant this Rick in particular in case someone wants to say otherwise) and learn from his mistakes whenever someone tells him about it
Because she has literally nothing to gain from it.
She's not trying to outsmart him or best him at what he does. She's simply doing her job.
rick is an extremely intelligent human, he still has human biais that wong can exploit.
What I love most about Dr. Wong is that she managed to undermine Beth in seconds.
She wanted to be the adult in the room, but Wong managed to hit her weak spot: Not making her all that important
“Your hand did a little thing there” like she is addressing an overexcited child or puppy rly killed me
She also understands her role as a *family* therapist. Beth is trying to paint a picture, when Morty has his outburst Dr. Wong immediately knows Beth is full of shit and pursues the actual root of the problems - Rick and the effect his antics have on them. And Summer and Morty both stare wide eyed at Beth after Dr. Wong correctly identifies the family dynamic because they both agree
@@l3ftie578I’m a counseling student, and that’s genuinely something we do. Discrepancy between content (what the client says) and affect (the client’s non verbal cues) is a great way of teasing out deeper tension.
I am a psych major considering entering the field of counseling too, and I love learning about these things outside of the lecture hall@@mistyautumnwoods
@@ApexGalehonestly, Beth reminds me of my mother and stepdad in therapy sessions when I was a kid. They’d talk over me, tell them all about how I was the problem, and nothing they did was to blame, and the therapist took my side when she saw my behavior with them, and listened to me talk (albeit I wasn’t allowed to say anything “bad” or I’d be punished). What did my mother do when she couldn’t manipulate the therapist? We didn’t see her anymore.
"Prove me wrong, show me data" is really great move
My therapist has literally been saying this to me recently. It works too, experiments are far more interesting.
@@bananaeclipse3324Definitely. I do experiments as often as necessary to figure things out. It’s one of the reasons I don’t date anymore- I have collected enough data to know that I pathologically choose emotionally unhealthy people and that’s bad for me.
@@anjelica948 but you can change that you know. You can learn how to notice signs that a person is bad and try to work around it. I'm not saying you have to date someone but I want you to know that it's okay to try again.
@@hayleyurie3997 Oh I know. I just need professional help first, but right now I can’t afford it.
I thought she said prove me wong...
I like how Dr Wong didn’t think the Pickle was a metaphor for a second. She knew that Rick had actually done that and really had the capabilities to do so.
I think more accurately they believed it and challenging that belief would only detract from her objective, which was breaking down the family dynamic
@@theyux1 I like looking at it that way, because Wong's composure is so good that its basically impossible to tell if she actually believed the pickle thing, or if she was surprised when Rick showed up AS a pickle, and frankly the impact it had on the family was more important then determining the objective truth there.
Well, not too long ago the Earth was being run by bug aliens for some time. A scientist being able to turn himself into a sentient pickle doesn’t sound too farfetched after all that
With counting on, that their planet LITERALLY SLAVED FOR SOME INTERPLANETARY GALAXY, the pickle thing doesn't bore her more than that
I mean the Earth did get annexed by the Federation so most people by the time Dr Wong appeared the concept of Aliens and advanced technology should’ve been common knowledge by then.
"Im better than this job" best line
I think this line says A LOT. She calmly states she wants to "discuss" the flamethrower that was meant to kill her, she shows no sign of fear in a life threatening situation (even though this is new to hear unlike everyone else there), and at the end her concern is not for her life or her office... only the painfully obvious observation that her intellect and potential are being wasted.
Now, when the conditions became right that's the same sort of motivations that drove someone like Walter White in Breaking Bad... and he wasn't a psychopath. I believe Dr. Wong has all the signs of a textbook psychopath. Rick is a sociopath; the dulled empathy, the impulsivity, self destructive tendencies like risk taking and substance abuse, etc. Wong is something that has the potential to be far more dangerous AND she's one of the few people shown to match the intellect of Rick.
@@naejimba Dr Wong is not a psychopath nor does she have the textbooks of a psychopath
@@naejimba No
@@naejimba no
@@firestrikeriii5043 , she shows the characteristics of one... whether they want to go that direction or not is irrelevant. The pieces that are there would fit.
Love how they made her a reoccurring character in the show, her guidance is really helping Rick and his family
I love how it perfectly balances the annoyances of therapy, people's generally negative view of therapy, and the end result of it if you take it seriously.
With slight exception to the whole "fly thing"
Low key her advice is helping me too...
@mike-ys9sq maybe try real therapy, my guy
Also Susan Sarandon is just such a gem she needs to be in more roles in general
She’s probably one of the few people Rick respects for their craft too.
She’s one of the few people that could tell Rick what he doesn’t want to hear and NOT die immediately after
In a way, I think that's a superpower
And it’s precisely because he is so intelligent, that he understands how he damages other people. It’s why he despises himself. She is a symbol of self improvement that Rick cannot beat because deep down he agrees with everything she says.
@@TheGrifter42 And, on top of all that, if he *did* kill her, it would ultimately just prove her right; the only way he can salvage his ego is if he can assert his genius - she's the one challenge right now that he can't actually win with violence. And the best part is, she isn't even trying to 'win' anything, her only goal is to help him become a better person, which pisses him off so much because on one level, his ego believes that's implying he's not as great as he thinks he is (and fuck that!) but on another level he knows that he actually IS a piece of shit person and since he does care about the other people in his life despite himself, he'd like to be less of a piece of shit person if only so they aren't hurt so much by his shittiness.
The fact that they manage to convey this dynamic through the medium of piss jokes and explosions only makes me think someone in the writers' room deserves a raise. :)
the raw power of therapist, the power of " calm down and let's talk about this problem and why does it makes you mad, does it reminds you of something unpleasant..."
If Rick killed the therapist it would prove to his family she was right and that he killed her out of spite for calling him out,also if Rick touch her it would prove he wasn't able to outsmart her in a dialogue and that his only way left to get back at her is with violence,what would be pathetic
This is my favorite running joke with Rick and Morty. The fact that there is no joke. Therapy works. If you need help, look for it.
"Therapy works. If you need help, look for it."
That's good, you mind If a use that?
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@@capertillar4634 That is an issue with access and governance their statement still remains true. Perhaps, it's a social issue you can help champion and thus make the world a better place I mean fuck we desperately need it since mental health issues are barely discussed. Sure, you'll get advocacy for things that have strong visible components but I don't see shit for autism, schizophrenia, torrets syndrome, dyslexia or the many other mild to serious mental health problems hell even depression has a fairly muted discourse on it.
I think only 5% of my problems have ever been solved by talking to someone else, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same for others.
Isnt the joke the shit-eating?
Rick's vulnerabilities are what makes him such an interesting character, like how he's willing to talk with Wong about his problems despite refusing to admit he has them
That was a robotic duplicate
@@mesiagamer5217that guys dead this is real Rick now
i love the "therapist hands" she does to indicate she has a concern but in a nonconfrontational way. I'm a social worker and find myself doing it too lol
yes!!!
Dr. Wong is hands down the only character in this series who qualifies as an actual rival or nemesis for Rick specifically because she is not a villain/enemy. He doesn't discuss problems he incinerates them. Because he *loses* when he has to discuss them. I would like to see more of Wong and maybe Rick gets some character growth but I know the show's creators hate sustained plotlines and prefer episodic content even though the arcs in this series have thus far been vastly superior to the episodic content.
If Nothing in life matters, then why even live
but here Wong gives us some real truths, its a choice to believe that.
its a choice to quit and its a choose to keep going.
Honestly this is some perfect advice and I love it
I feel like the end of the show will be in part due to Wong breaking down Rick’s problems and allowing him to finally give up this sci-fi stuff to live with his family like he’s wanted to do since the start
@@tpd1864blake Yep it may be the family he had before but its still his family.
This aged terribly and I'm so happy it did.
@@Summersong2262yeahhhhh
Can we talk about how Dr. Wong can stay patient and composed with Rick and Beth but even she can’t deal with Jerry’s nonsense.
That's what he needs from her. He's always responded well to being called out for his nonsense, but the next step that I'm sure Wong was about to get to is finding an alternative solution to the problem his nonsense is responding to (in the case of the dumb puppets, communication)
Interesting to point that after Beth divorced Jerry,Beth became blaming her kids especially in the first therapy episode
Because like Rick, instead of admitting to her problems, she has to push and blame them on other people
@@alexlovelady8249 which wong suggests that shes gotta start being the bigger person and take the consequences of every mistake shes made basically exceeding better then rick and being her own person and I think it's the reason she loves jerry its cus jerry is his own person entirely (granted not the greatest) jerry doesnt have to prove y hes better cus he knows hes not he just sucks at life and that's how he lives with it
@@onepieceking1770 Jerry doesn’t even suck at life honestly, he’s just an average guy who has dreams. They aren’t large but they’re special to him. He’s just bullied by his own family which would make anyone feel miserable
@@alexlovelady8249 true but when I say he sucks at life I'm meaning in the sense of jerry is trying to fit in with the crowds (in a sense like trying to relive highschool if he had a social life there) but every opportunity he gets to have that jerry somehow messes it up or someone else dumps that on him it's like putting a balance somewhere where beth could technically succeed with following in rick's scientific footsteps (which shes proven to do so) or succeed in her way of life (in the way u would put it living the normal life standards like jerry does)
@@alexlovelady8249 exactly, we can even see him have minor successes like cooking, keeping bees, even writing a book, jerry is a normal guy in a chaotic world, and hes unironically held back because the rest of the family having insane standards due to ricks science nonsense, he would honestly be somewhat successful and probably wouldnt have even had his pathetic moments earlier in the series if his family encouraged him
Okay can we mention how Wong kept the Smith family as clients-- even AFTER the rigged flaming chair? Therapists can and do fire clients for plenty of reasons and that would have been a very good one 😂I think Rick was kind of hoping so they wouldn't have to go to therapy anymore. She was smart enough to realize the installment of the flaming death-chair was his way of mentally taking control of the situation because he hates feeling emotionally vulnerable.
I think She realises they REALLY need her input and their probably much more interesting clients than 90% of her other work. A steady 200+ dollars an hour from a family who will likely be able to afford it if Ric is covering the bill (and charging him for any damage he causes to her office) is likely a contributing factor too.
Its worth considering these might all be different dr.wongs
"I'm better than this job" pretty sure she saw the smiths as a challenge, lol
@@Dracattacki actually don’t think that’s worth considering at all, even if it’s true, because it’s clear they’re invested in their relationship with her.
@@Dracattack doesnt make sense cause that means hitting a reset button every single time and you're stuck with reintroducing the same stuff over and over in a maddening loop.
The reason why Wong seems so insightful, is she is an expert in the human brain.
Rick is an expert at everything, making him less human, making it harder for him to feel and understand how to deal with human emotion.
Guess the main thing in life we need to really down is honestly stop looking for answers.
stop looking at the big picture
and do what we can in life
to make the best to our ability
Rick disassociates from his humanity and Dr.Wong makes him realize he needs it. Even if that annoys him shes usually right hence why he goes back
@@Dracattackthat's an excellent take on their dynamic!
Rick is also less of a scientist than an engineer-he doesn't care about the pursuit of truth, he cares about the results he can achieve.
Dr. Wong is much more of a scientist than Rick is, and she would never assert it to him, because that would be pointless self-aggrandizement. She wants to help people, while Rick wants to be seen as the smartest, coolest, most dangerous person in the room. That's an obvious sign of insecurity, whether you can do it or not.
What I love about Dr. Wong is the ironic aspect of how she beats Rick: She’s not trying.
She’s not trying to outsmart him, she’s not trying to challenge him that she’s more, she doesn’t try to present herself as something Rick needs to topple, she simply is doing her job, and as simple as it is, this is something Rick IS NOT used to. Rick lives in danger every moment and gets so much ego and fun knowing that he can topple any threat becuz every thing that comes after him wants to be a threat to him becuz he’s this perfect asshole that needs to die but Wong doesn’t talk to him in that mentality, she talks to him like a simple person, a normal person with problems. Which Rick thou he tries to denie and blow off, he really appreciates it inside
Another thing is that Dr wong doesnt fear rick at all, she knows that if he kills her it will only prove that shes right. And rick absolutely hates being wrong
Well said!
Her monologue about the hard work of self-care has lived rent free in my head for years. That repairing, maintaining and cleaning aren't an adventure, they're just mundane tasks we have to be willing to commit to as an assertion against chaos and sickness, and that we all have the freedom to choose the path to well being or the path to decay.
I know a lot of counselors and therapists are meant to make you feel relaxed but Dr. Wong's voice is even more relaxing~
Because unlike the real situations this is acting and they have time to perfect the sound.
As someone who's been to Mental Health and I like her to be my therapist
I actually really like Dr. Wong and the type of dialogue/stories she creates when given screen time. She forces self inspection.
I like her to
Dr Wong is actually super cool/badass in her own way. To be able to read the situation of people with 100% accuracy is its own superpower O.O
you know what I find Ironic?
Beth is the one who wanted the family to go to therapy, everyone else was reluctant. Or in ricks case, literally willing to turn into a vinegar doused vegetable dildo than go.
But as soon as they all get there, in one way or another, it all actually seems to help them in some way, and they all get into it... EXCEPT for Beth.
She starts getting more frustrated the more Morty/Summer open up. (All this probably because she was secretly hoping the therapist would side with her and gang up on the rest of the family in hopes for moral psychological control of some sort). and when Dr.Wong does her analysis pitch, Beth just tells her "Fuck You".
As someone who went to family therapy as a child, quite often the visit is desired by one or both parents after they’ve failed to make their child develop an unhealthy obedience complex, in the hope that the therapist will just tell their children that they need to listen to their parents more. It’s usually a last Hail Mary attempt to regain an unhealthy level of control over their children, and if it starts to actually make the family more healthy, the original parent won’t like it anymore.
@@RoundusMongusMaking the family more healthy requires parents to be accountable for their actions and words instead of waving the imaginary because “I’m your authority figure” wand to magically make your problems go away.
Yeah, but that "Fuck You" was metal af
That's because she never wanted actual therapy for herself, she really was hoping that the therapist would take her side and help "discipline" everyone else in her family in some sort of sick, twsited way
That is the best description of a pickle I have ever seen.
i think shes really the reality check character everyone needs. i've seen a lot of people adopt ricks personality because hes one of the main characters and he's adored but he really is a toxic piece of shit and people idolize him because they find him "realistic" when he's just overly pessimistic and harsh about everything. you dont want to be a rick, and it doesnt make you a better or smarter person because you think the world sucks and trying to be him is going to make you miserable. he's just a character that was made up by people. i'm not really trying to get at anything here but all i'm saying is i think people take his character too seriously
Wow those are some really good words you got there and nobody seems to counter argue
A bit late here, but the big thing about GOOD edgy characters is that they all have one thing in common: They are suffering. They are suffering from a combination of bad luck and their own actions after the fact, caught in a cycle that they can't seem to escape. People who want to be an edgy character don't want to be in pain. They want the cool aesthetic that comes with being a pain-filled mess, without all the baggage. They want people to pity them, but don't want to be pitiful. They want to be the guy who has all the power, not thinking of how much he sacrificed to get there. Including his own humanity.
Yeah, he's a fictional character, he's made unrealistic
And the authors didn't create him wanting him to be some guidance to people
There are far too many people who idolize and think themselves Rick, but fail to see that the show is demonstrating his absolute dysfunction. Which is why she is so great!!
@@Law-rence82 Exactly
i love how the teacher is there to stop eating shit, gets turned into a fly by rick, a creature that literally survives eating shit, and is cured by the experience
He hid in the sewer when the Federation took over Earth so no wonder he started eating it
Never noticed her turning the picture around because they all have familial trauma. That's a really good touch.
"Well, Dr. Wong, by the way racist name."
My brother's name is Jamal and basically is one of the most stereotypical names to be given to a black guy. And when we first watched this I just remember slowly turning my head towards him and him punching my shoulder as soon as he noticed 😂
I mean yeah that's really weird for Beth to say, white people don't get offended when someone's named John Smith, it's a stereotype because it's common
I swear there are like a dozen last names that all asian people use.
@@LineOfThy Yeah it's not as if white people just use the name of Jesus' disciples over and over and OH WAIT.
@@entropyapathyfr. i know like 7 people named John
@@orangeinkius7257Jamal is not a common black name tho. Neither Tyrone. Maybe for black american but they are only 40 millions out of 1 billions Black people worldwide.
I love Dr. Wong.
I don’t understand why Beth mentioned that it’s a racist name? It’s literally her name??
@@rocksforlife9866because she's selfish and projects her own faults onto other people to make herself feel better but she is so much like Rick.
@@rocksforlife9866 4th wall break?? But I don’t think it’s racist either it’s a common last name
You and the president
@@rocksforlife9866No!?!
it's just a common last name in any country where speak Chinese (at least it's a common last name in mine)
I love how she's just like:
"Time-lord, You either un-FLY this teacher or you ain't getting NOTHING from me."
I get that you have to be careful with clips, but you missed her biggest thing: her speech to Rick that working on yourself isn't an adventure, but it's worthwhile in it's own way.
I tried and they blocked it that’s why it isn’t it there
lmao copyright can be weird sometimes
I love how despite being so narcissistic Beth and Rick are they still bow down to Dr. Wong
Even Dr. Wong is being a jerk to Jerry. She’s willing to call him crazy for doing puppetry, but not Rick for turning himself into a pickle.
I think Wong respects Rick's intellect and understands God complex.
But Jerry... it just his plain old tantrums.
Cause there was likely a factual reason as to why he turned himself into a pickle.
She hadnt met rick fully then, and as she said, she isnt there to judge.
She Met Jerry, and tbh.., its a Fucking jerry.
She called Jerry crazy to his face when he was acting infantile to get out of having to actually deal with their issues, she didn't pass judgement on Rick until she'd met him and once she did she knew better than to take an antagonistic stance - which is different from setting clear boundaries, which she also did, and wouldn't you know it?
Rick actually respects that.
He's kind of a lot
@@ZetsubouGintama Rick is as pathetic as jerry's tantrums. Rick is smart, but that does not change the fact that he is his own worst enemy, causes destruction and pain to others, his own family and himself.
Refuses to take responsibility and deflect and deny his issues.(A trait his daughter picked up)
Rick is as infantile as Jerry, only his behaviors effects of his behaviors span worlds and universes and he has a snarky personality to cover it all up
Is that man dead?
"It's everything in here confidential?"
Everything but murder.
"Then he's fine"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"I don't pass judgement."
"Well TV gives British people prizes for baking, Jerry."
Not even the therapist will remain neutral for Jerry when it's quite literally in their job description
That's definitely not in our job description.
In couples counseling, the relationship is the patient. If one person is pulling some bullshit, we tell them to stop.
That's not a thing, neutrality being part of the job at all.
This is infantile deflection and he clearly knows it, so he can cut it out.
She’s like a calmer Edna Mode
Yes!!! I was looking for this comment!
Out of all the TV shows and movies that I've seen, Dr. Wong is probably the best description of what a good therapist and good therapy looks like. And to imagine that they still managed to make her funny without resorting to low level stereotypes about therapy and therapists is truly amazing.
Either one of the writers has some therapy background (perhaps through education or personal experience) or they got someone to consult on the character of Dr. Wong. In either case, I absolutely love it.
4:05
“Rick would you be interested in proving me wrong?”
Damn she’s good! 😂
Can we just agree that Doctor Wong needs a RAISE?
She makes 200 dollars an hour. She's fine
@@idkmanp9573 She has to put up with Rick, 200 dollars is pocket change
@@idkmanp9573She is a normal human having to put up with human that has god complex but ACTUALLY capable of being god-like.
I love how she started to be the confused but normal woman into understanding what is Rick's shenanigans and still normal
I love how she says "Would you be interested in proving me wrong?" she knows exactly how to get through to him. She's getting him to do exactly what she asks while preserving his sense of control and power. I wish they still put this much thought into her dialogue with the writing.
I like how Rick actively calls on her for advice as his therapist ( even if he won’t admit that’s what she is to him)
Dr Wong literally unravel the Smith family the moment they walk in. she knew exactly what is wrong the first moment. her only problem is how to make them recognize the problem
I love how while Rick is the smartest person in most things, Wong clearly has a significantly higher intelligence when it comes to psychology and therapy
High intelligence stat vs high wisdom stat.
"I'm better than this job" she's a underrated character and I love her :P
"I'm better than this job" yes, yes you are dr wong
I love how whenever Dr.Wong makes a point and they see what she means there reactions are either mind blown and happy or they just give a face and curse like Beth 😂
"You don't shoot Batman in his Batman logo."
Actually that's exactly what he wants you to do. The Batman logo is ment to be a target where his armor is the strongest. If he gets enemies to focus on it it will be less likely they will get a shot in that can actually do serious damage like on his face or between the plates of the suit.
Which is why you DON’T shoot there if you want your shots to do anything. It’s an obvious target that is not effected, just like calling rick old and ugly is pointless because he doesn’t care about that shit. That’s more what he was getting at
Batman is a grown man cosplaying the only thing he wants to do but can't is grow up and get therapy for his many issues
I would kill for wong to have her own arc bro
I love how since she can't blink normally with the glasses they make her pupils blink.
Dr. Wong
President Curtis
Birdperson
This show has some of the BEST side characters
She's the Shaman to Rick's Wizard. Her Wisdom score is as high as his Intelligence score, and in certain situation being wise has more value than being smart.
"You really not see what's happening here?"
*"Tell me"*
The delivery is so fucking good. Wong is handling Beth like a child.
"Well, Dr.Wrong, racist name btw" 💀
And she never explains why it’s racist….
@@CactusCowboyDanthat always annoyed me
Wrong, it isn't "Wrong," it's "Wong"
@@CactusCowboyDan because beth assumed wong is a chinese only name and dr wong isn't chinese
@@piplup2009 is
Hands down the most responsible and genuinely good side characters who doesn't want to kill Rick but instead is helping him in a way he needs it most
You know, medias usually suck at representing therapy. But this is actually quite accurate.
1:34 - 1:57, that was a total win! I know that wasn't Wong's intention, but come on how can you not explain that moment in any way but a win? They drop a f-bomb like that on you, and pretty much got them on the ropes.
Rick could genuinely benefit from seeing her regularly if he wasn’t too high and mighty to admit he needs therapy
My favourite side character her and Rick interactions are fun
I love how Dr. Wong immediately looked onto beth, and knew from the start she was really the one who needed the thearapy, way more than summer and morty
She can play rick like a fiddle. Convinced the man to prove her method doesn't work and then got him to understand that it really was the kill move
its a new and interesting perspective and direction she adds to the show. with all the wacky stuff seen she applies real like therapy work to this god like being.
I like how the only time Dr. Wong seems to be at the end of her patience is Jerry with his sock puppet.
Even though ANY psychiatrist wouldn't lay everything out this quickly. Hurt people are very quick to deflect and unable to take the necessary accountability to heal. Wong has a very straight forward and concise psycho analysis on the entire Smith family. Wong is a superb psychiatrist.
One of the best characters in the show shes wayyy too underrated
I still cannot believe Rick and morty of all fucken shows gave probably the most accurate representation of a good therapist and when therapy is working
Literally screaming "all jokes aside, therapy is a valid treatment"
Guess Wong is the only character who is smarter than Rick 🤣
In DnD terms, Rick is 30 Int 20 WIS, she is 30 Wis, 20 Int.
Raw intelligence Vs Emotional intelligence
She has a higher EQ.
"what kind of question is that?"
"the kind that wasn't designed to attack or hurt you in any way."
Such a deliciously passive aggressive comeback. Going to start using it more often!
I’m glad a lot of people hate her. It goes to show how immature they are.
Dr.Wong needs her own show
Agreed.
The therapist is so calm about the fact that he can intergalactically travel through space and time, even though a ufo crashed into her office. How is she sane?
I think she just get used to it
Damn, this ending is AWESOME 😂😂😂, i love how they became like buddies and also that she calls him. The part where he realized he was making progress was so damn cool.
I honestly hope we see more of her 😂
One thing I like about therapy is that you can experiment with your life with someone who has your perspective (if you learn not to lie to your therapist, which is something people struggle with). My therapist didn't make me feel judged when I told him about my secret problem. Instead, he helped me see how there was other solutions I could try if I wanted to without making me feel dumb or judged. It takes time and trial and error, but I'm not kidding when I say therapy really works.
I like that wong is the only human that really help rick out like dude had a really slow but good change in how he acts
Now that I think about it, Wong is pretty cool. I like how accepting she is of Ricks (As Jerry would put it) "Sci-Fi bullshit."
Dr. Wong is an amazing character but has anyone looked at her door more carefully? Dude, how do you even think of specializing in that?
The fact that she stays in business suggests there's some demand for it
She is one of the best characters of the show!
We need more scenes with her!
Hopefully we get more of her
The fact that Rick went to HER says alot
She demanded respect and asked for Rick to properly book session. And rick did it all?
Beth was so insufferable in this
Beth was always a bit too insecure. Makes sense cos she has abandonment issues. She desperately wants approval from her father which is why she rationalises her need for approval by elevating his achievements and downplaying his faults. Makes sense that you would want approval from a God and not from a bumbling, drunk moron who let his family die.
@@kAY-yl5en , plus Wong is challenging all of it, which would naturally lead to someone being defensive. On top of it all, part of Beth's issues are 1) not feeling like a professional and 2) not feeling she is on the same level intellectually as her father. Wong is the consummate professional and one of the few people in the show that seems to be able to challenge Rick intellectually. If Rick were to actually respect her this would be seen as a huge threat to Beth... because she desperate wants that for herself.
@@naejimba the irony is, that Rick came to respect her after their interactions, especially in season 6 where you can see that Rick started going to therapy.
I wish Rick had more sessions with Dr. Wong. It could be at the end of every 3 episode. He could go in messed up, get validation for his actions, the correction he needs and get cured that one day until he relapses in the next episode.
She’s so good
I love Wong so much lol
I had no idea what I wanted to do in university until I remembered Dr Wong lol.
“Tv gives British people prizes for baking” she’s so real for that
I love how she feels authentic and doesn't really question any weirdness coming from the family
By far the best character in the show
"Well, Dr. Wong, btw racist name"
Did a white woman just tell a chinese lady that her real name is racist somehow?
idk how to word this but that dialogue wasnt meant to be between the actual characters. the writers were pointing out that naming the only asian character is a stereotypical name, which was a joke
I legit love this character- pissmaster episode was one of my favorites out of pure 'Holy crap, Ricks evolving as a person and therapy seems to be doing good'
I was sure they were going to go for the same 'Rick doesn't need a therapist and scares them away' route.
Probably the most wise character in the entire series. She’s the kind of therapist that everyone would want to have. Though Rick’s initial description of therapists as “agents of averageness” who just try to tell you what words have what meanings is true for many real life therapists, Wong is the exception
She is good, maybe she make believe that psychology is not a waste of time, sometimes
People have a way overblown view of physiologists. They are there to help you reflect on your own issues and fix them, not fix you themselves
Typical mother on therapy tring to find problems in thier kids instead in herself
"Jesus, Wong! Boundaries."
Dr. Wong is honestly my favorite character. You can be smart and emotionally aware
I absolutely love that Dr. Wong can very kindly and patiently handle anyone on the Smith family except Jerry.
"Is that man dead?"
I appreciate how most of her dialogue starts with 'I' statements.
Reminds me of the relationship between lucifer and his therapist 😄
I need a Therapist in real life like Dr. Wong
I love how, essentially, both Rick and Jerry avoided therapy in their own ways
Dr. wong is my favorite character.