What awesome timing! Our church just purchased an X32 about 6 weeks ago. I'm the musician (keyboards), we do not have a sound engineer. Anyway, it fell on me to wire everything up. I should mention we do stream our services. I took things as far as I could based upon my learnings from yours and other RUclips instructional videos. However, I finally had to call in a professional for help. He helped me with all of my questions regarding the X32. We are now good to go audio wise. However, he said we were completely antiquated how we were doing our audio for our video streaming. He recommended this device and said this would make us state of the art. Although, I personally am not sure what it even is or does, I just found it amazing that a couple of days later here you are doing a video on it. Outstanding!!😊
Not a coincidence. The ATEM is a tool that can combine video signals and audio signals, provide layers and other features while encoding your broadcast and even sending it to the internet. There are a number of versions of this device and they work really well when setup properly.
Thanks for this! Can we ask how you wire from the desk to the switcher? Which output are you using and which cable? We normally XLR out to an audio interface into the computer, but we always have issues having to adjust audio delays
I’m actually going out the local XLR outputs 11/12 and into the ATEM Mic1. This video shows the standard ways to get audio out and if you are going into a computer directly you might just stick with the USB routing option. Also below is a link to the cable we use if you want to go into the ATEM. Video: ruclips.net/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/видео.htmlsi=CLPxwRqLqiHXf3lx Cable: Disino Dual Female XLR to 3.5mm Y-Splitter Cable, Unbalanced XLR Female to 1/8 Inch Mini Jack TRS Stereo Aux Interconnect Audio Mic Breakout Patch Cord - 10 Feet/3 Meters
Use test reference tone. I am using the tone of my Zoom F3 Field Recorder. I have found that in line mode the line inputs need a Gain boost of +13,44dB. I have found the correct fine tune. The limiter is applied only on the input part of the signal at 99%
@AllamHouse I have found that this is a reference level a kind of "cloud lifter" and after that adjust with the fader. All audio settings are done digitally that's why it is so easy to strange distortions.
Yes you should set the mini up for line in levels or it distorts just as it did for you in your first example. To use the mini for a CD players line out signal or a similar audio stream you can use the two onboard inputs for that. If you need more line in level inputs you can get that with embedders you hook up to the HDMI cabels beween the Atem and the camera. In total that gives you 6 stereo channels for audio out of the mini. This is probably the most inexspensive high quality audio solution for livestreamed audio we have so far.
Yeah, if you are doing standard production it is a great option especially when you grab the SDI version to step up the production across long distances. Most of my viewers are running 16-48 channel soundboards so they end up only using one stereo input coming from their mixing console. Either way, it is pretty amazing.
Thanks for this video. I have just proposed this exact setup to my church but I also included the option of using a dedicated analog-to-digital box to convert the signal from our M32 to digital and getting into the streaming computer directly. That would be picked up by OBS and not depend on the ATEM for audio at all. Is there any advantage or disadvantage to doing it that way?
There are a few different ways to handle this setup and two that I prefer over your proposed setup. The reason I might pick one over the other is due to cable length or other location factors that could sway me one way or the other. 1) Send the audio from the console into the ATEM as explained in this video. I personally use a dual XLR cable to 3.5mm headphone jack so the cables plug into my local outputs on the console and travel on balanced cables into the ATEM. This allows the ATEM to handle the combination of the audio and video and any adjustments can be made in that device. Both audio and video are then sourced inside OBS and off your signal goes. Keep in mind, if you have the ATEM Mini Pro, it can stream directly to the internet for you and you don’t need OBS. 2) Sending audio across USB into OBS keeps the signal in the digital realm and has less conversions and gain settings needed. You can use the card on the back of the console and route your broadcast mix out the card to the OBS machine. This video walks through the three options to get audio out of the console and the necessary settings to make them work. ruclips.net/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/видео.htmlsi=vxuwBUKi-If3T2I9
I would do the following steps to troubleshoot. 1) out headphones in the X32 and solo your mix to see if you have hiss there. 2) check the cables between the X32 and ATEM to see if they are running near power cables and picking up electric noise. 3) my guess is you are hearing the noise floor in your ATEM. This is caused by sending too low of a signal into the ATEm from the. Card and then turning things up in the ATEM to compensate. I always recommend getting your gain set properly for each input and then using compression and limiting to raise the output level of your broadcast mix before it leaves the console.
There are three main ways to get your mix out of the X32 that I describe in the video below. Many people use a 1/4” to 1/8” TRS cable, but I use the dual XLR to 1/8” to run a balanced cable. ruclips.net/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/видео.htmlsi=NEK8zb8qgXo3h0xM
In the setup described it all stays in stereo because I am using two linked MixBUS to build the mix in stereo and the Mic1 (and Mic2) inputs on the ATEM are stereo inputs. I use a cable that is two XLR to one 3.5" TRS cable to get the audio from my console to my ATEM.
I've had to pull it down a bit more; the big problem is less the levels coming in, but a rhythmic clicking sound coming in constantly. By bringing down the gain in Mic1, and then adjusting the output from the X32, it's less worse, but still not great. I haven't found a complete solution.
I would check the following items… 1) X32 sample rate. Make sure it is set to 48.0k in the settings tab 2) Put headphones in the X32 and solo your broadcast mix. Confirm there is no clicking happening at the console. 3) Connect your X32 to the Mic2 input and see if it clears up the issue. Sometimes the Mic inputs can go bad. 4) Try different cables and make sure they aren’t running next to electrical cables potentially picking up noise. I use a Y cable that is 2 XLRs into 1 3.5mm jack providing balanced cables leaving the console and going directly into the ATEM.
@@AllamHouse Thanks for the suggestions. i've used different cables, but what isolated the ATEM as the issue is connecting an output from my laptop directly to the ATEM Mic1 input -- i got the same clicking there. That also eliminated the possibility of a ground loop issue, as the laptop was running on battery. I'll try the Mic2 input, as well.
Thanks for the video, this is Interrsting, we use the atem mini pro, we set the mic 1 on atem at about -2, this shows atem metering peaking at -1. And on RUclips we see around -0.5 loudness. Don't hear any distortion this way, and I believe we had times when we were peaking at 0 on atem and RUclips showed 0.0 loudness.
That is very interesting. Since the recording a few weeks ago I have reviewed our stream volume and was able to push 4dB more on the ATEM without clipping. Many people just toss the cables in and run with the stock settings and that is when you get clipping.
I would begin with putting on some headphones and soloing your mix at your audio console (prior to the ATEM). make sure it sounds "wide" there and that you are sending a true stereo signal. Then, if you have a monitor attached to your ATEM as Multiview, you can have the program out audio sent to that screen and I stick my headphones into our screen to listen to the audio there in the ATEM to see how it sounds. Since you are then sending to Wirecast you would need to try and solo it at Wirecast or see if there are any settings there that might be changing your audio from stereo to mono.
What awesome timing! Our church just purchased an X32 about 6 weeks ago. I'm the musician (keyboards), we do not have a sound engineer. Anyway, it fell on me to wire everything up. I should mention we do stream our services. I took things as far as I could based upon my learnings from yours and other RUclips instructional videos. However, I finally had to call in a professional for help. He helped me with all of my questions regarding the X32. We are now good to go audio wise.
However, he said we were completely antiquated how we were doing our audio for our video streaming. He recommended this device and said this would make us state of the art. Although, I personally am not sure what it even is or does, I just found it amazing that a couple of days later here you are doing a video on it. Outstanding!!😊
Not a coincidence. The ATEM is a tool that can combine video signals and audio signals, provide layers and other features while encoding your broadcast and even sending it to the internet. There are a number of versions of this device and they work really well when setup properly.
Great tutorial 👍🏽
Thanks for the feedback. Let me know if you have other questions.
Thank you so much for this video!
exactly what im looking for.
That’s great. Let me know if you have other questions.
Thanks for this! Can we ask how you wire from the desk to the switcher? Which output are you using and which cable? We normally XLR out to an audio interface into the computer, but we always have issues having to adjust audio delays
I’m actually going out the local XLR outputs 11/12 and into the ATEM Mic1. This video shows the standard ways to get audio out and if you are going into a computer directly you might just stick with the USB routing option. Also below is a link to the cable we use if you want to go into the ATEM.
Video: ruclips.net/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/видео.htmlsi=CLPxwRqLqiHXf3lx
Cable: Disino Dual Female XLR to 3.5mm Y-Splitter Cable, Unbalanced XLR Female to 1/8 Inch Mini Jack TRS Stereo Aux Interconnect Audio Mic Breakout Patch Cord - 10 Feet/3 Meters
Use test reference tone. I am using the tone of my Zoom F3 Field Recorder. I have found that in line mode the line inputs need a Gain boost of +13,44dB. I have found the correct fine tune. The limiter is applied only on the input part of the signal at 99%
Thanks for the suggestion.
@AllamHouse I have found that this is a reference level a kind of "cloud lifter" and after that adjust with the fader. All audio settings are done digitally that's why it is so easy to strange distortions.
Yes you should set the mini up for line in levels or it distorts just as it did for you in your first example. To use the mini for a CD players line out signal or a similar audio stream you can use the two onboard inputs for that. If you need more line in level inputs you can get that with embedders you hook up to the HDMI cabels beween the Atem and the camera. In total that gives you 6 stereo channels for audio out of the mini. This is probably the most inexspensive high quality audio solution for livestreamed audio we have so far.
Yeah, if you are doing standard production it is a great option especially when you grab the SDI version to step up the production across long distances. Most of my viewers are running 16-48 channel soundboards so they end up only using one stereo input coming from their mixing console. Either way, it is pretty amazing.
@@AllamHouse That was not at all what I said. It is so much cheaper and more flexible like I do it.
When we do a firmware update it changes back to microphone. Be sure to check it after you ATEM firmware updates
That is good information. Thanks for sharing with the community.
Thanks for this video. I have just proposed this exact setup to my church but I also included the option of using a dedicated analog-to-digital box to convert the signal from our M32 to digital and getting into the streaming computer directly. That would be picked up by OBS and not depend on the ATEM for audio at all. Is there any advantage or disadvantage to doing it that way?
There are a few different ways to handle this setup and two that I prefer over your proposed setup. The reason I might pick one over the other is due to cable length or other location factors that could sway me one way or the other.
1) Send the audio from the console into the ATEM as explained in this video. I personally use a dual XLR cable to 3.5mm headphone jack so the cables plug into my local outputs on the console and travel on balanced cables into the ATEM. This allows the ATEM to handle the combination of the audio and video and any adjustments can be made in that device. Both audio and video are then sourced inside OBS and off your signal goes. Keep in mind, if you have the ATEM Mini Pro, it can stream directly to the internet for you and you don’t need OBS.
2) Sending audio across USB into OBS keeps the signal in the digital realm and has less conversions and gain settings needed. You can use the card on the back of the console and route your broadcast mix out the card to the OBS machine. This video walks through the three options to get audio out of the console and the necessary settings to make them work. ruclips.net/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/видео.htmlsi=vxuwBUKi-If3T2I9
Hi, mine has a hissing sound, i have a behringer x32 and atem mini, and the have set the mic to line, yet no change
I would do the following steps to troubleshoot.
1) out headphones in the X32 and solo your mix to see if you have hiss there.
2) check the cables between the X32 and ATEM to see if they are running near power cables and picking up electric noise.
3) my guess is you are hearing the noise floor in your ATEM. This is caused by sending too low of a signal into the ATEm from the. Card and then turning things up in the ATEM to compensate. I always recommend getting your gain set properly for each input and then using compression and limiting to raise the output level of your broadcast mix before it leaves the console.
How you connected the Atem to the X32? Aux Out? 1/4 Balance to 3.5 Atem?
There are three main ways to get your mix out of the X32 that I describe in the video below. Many people use a 1/4” to 1/8” TRS cable, but I use the dual XLR to 1/8” to run a balanced cable. ruclips.net/video/xGt1z5I7blQ/видео.htmlsi=NEK8zb8qgXo3h0xM
Is the signal still stereo from x32 going into atem mic 1 input? Or has it become mono?
In the setup described it all stays in stereo because I am using two linked MixBUS to build the mix in stereo and the Mic1 (and Mic2) inputs on the ATEM are stereo inputs. I use a cable that is two XLR to one 3.5" TRS cable to get the audio from my console to my ATEM.
@@AllamHouse awesome thank you🙏🏽
I've had to pull it down a bit more; the big problem is less the levels coming in, but a rhythmic clicking sound coming in constantly. By bringing down the gain in Mic1, and then adjusting the output from the X32, it's less worse, but still not great. I haven't found a complete solution.
I would check the following items…
1) X32 sample rate. Make sure it is set to 48.0k in the settings tab
2) Put headphones in the X32 and solo your broadcast mix. Confirm there is no clicking happening at the console.
3) Connect your X32 to the Mic2 input and see if it clears up the issue. Sometimes the Mic inputs can go bad.
4) Try different cables and make sure they aren’t running next to electrical cables potentially picking up noise. I use a Y cable that is 2 XLRs into 1 3.5mm jack providing balanced cables leaving the console and going directly into the ATEM.
@@AllamHouse Thanks for the suggestions. i've used different cables, but what isolated the ATEM as the issue is connecting an output from my laptop directly to the ATEM Mic1 input -- i got the same clicking there. That also eliminated the possibility of a ground loop issue, as the laptop was running on battery. I'll try the Mic2 input, as well.
Thanks for the video, this is Interrsting, we use the atem mini pro, we set the mic 1 on atem at about -2, this shows atem metering peaking at -1. And on RUclips we see around -0.5 loudness.
Don't hear any distortion this way, and I believe we had times when we were peaking at 0 on atem and RUclips showed 0.0 loudness.
That is very interesting. Since the recording a few weeks ago I have reviewed our stream volume and was able to push 4dB more on the ATEM without clipping. Many people just toss the cables in and run with the stock settings and that is when you get clipping.
So, does ATEM convert the mix in a Mono mix?
No, the inputs labeled mic1 and mic2 are TRS connections which keeps a stereo mix.
@@AllamHouse thanks you I’m trying to understand what my livestream doesn’t sound wide, it sound like mono. I’m using wirecast and X32
I would begin with putting on some headphones and soloing your mix at your audio console (prior to the ATEM). make sure it sounds "wide" there and that you are sending a true stereo signal. Then, if you have a monitor attached to your ATEM as Multiview, you can have the program out audio sent to that screen and I stick my headphones into our screen to listen to the audio there in the ATEM to see how it sounds. Since you are then sending to Wirecast you would need to try and solo it at Wirecast or see if there are any settings there that might be changing your audio from stereo to mono.
Thank you for your response! Happy new new year