Adjusting a carburetor on a stihl MS461 and similar models...
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- this is a really basic rundown but one I have been asked many times... most saws are electronically tuned but there are still some good old adjustable carb saws going strong... hope this helps and thanks for watching 💯
One note for carb adjustments, If the screws or screw is before the carb (inlet) its the fuel your adjusting, if they are after the carb (outlet) like most saws, trimmers, and etc, Your adjusting how much air it gets and this works for four wheelers (which typically have one screw on the outlet that adjusts air) dirtbikes and even car carbs are all like this. Its just a helpful tip that can help you understand what your machine is or isnt getting enough of💙
Good explanation of carb basics John. Most saw users don't know how to tune a saw.
John, as always thanks for the video. Here is a guess: Leerlauf Anpassen is German for Idle Adjust, Hence LA = Idle Adjust.
I have actually been taught that and I was searching for it in my head while doing this video and all that came to mind was Leider Hosen 🤦♂️ and that has the wrong initials so I bailed lol
@@johnscustomsaws LOL
This was a good subject to touch on.... lots of people have some strong opinions on this one. Thanks John!
Oh I'm sure they do and I'm sure I will hear about it... But honestly if they don't have some sort of credentials or evidence to back it up it just goes in the long list of shit I don't care about 🙄😂
@@johnscustomsaws 😂😂😂
Yes to podcast and yes to more in-depth carb video!
Podcast sounds great! From my experience Unless it's way below freezing 🥶 my saw has a tendency to keep me from freezing. Great information awesome channel 👏
Great Video John. Appreciate you making these videos.
No problem my man... im not the best at explaining things and this cold spell in Minnesota is driving me mad... I have so many wild saws to run but I need it to warm up... hang in there man I appreciate the support
@@johnscustomsaws cold air is more dense air. More power!!! Nows the time to run them.
@@FishFind3000lol im not worried about the saws bro I hate freezing my ass off 🥶
@J.C.S. Podcast sounds like a good idea... I'd listen
Great video. I've watched many carb adjustment videos on RUclips and they all seem to touch upon what you said, that they all make it look easy. You're in depth explanation answered all my questions. You mentioned upper and lower limit RPM's, just curious as to why don't you use a tachometer to dial in the factory settings?
This is a great video and explanation, that is helping me get my MS460 carb reset after cleaning and putting a rebuild kit in.
learning the the difference to four stroking and up against the rev limiter coil are important to saw adjustment
Podcast(s)???? HELL YEAH!!! Man I put Kensie's (bayou country powersaws) onto my phone so I can ensure I don't miss anything, listen to them at least 2-3X (while working) would LOVE seeing someone in the powersaw tuning community do a dedicated podcast (kensie's are more "spur of the moment", general podcasts), like one on porting or one on holistic-engine-approach (IE how porting is only part of the equation, how a certain level of porting is "too far" IF you do not begin to alter/upgrade other components IE carb etc) Would be awesome, I vote a BIG +1!!!!
Thanks for doing this video.I learned some Great tips and am going to change up the way I do some things.
Good work John
Huge thanks for the detailed explanation on this - much appreciated 👍
I'd listen to a podcast of yours 👍
Awesome man... I don't really know what a podcast is but I would love to talk to different people and have them share their stories and experience... I think it would be awesome to squash all the drama to have these saw builders myself included to talk the shit out instead of hating just because they are competition... I think most the guys that hate on each other would realize they have a lot in common and would get along
@@johnscustomsaws i kinda like that idea man!!
I would listen to your podcast
Yes please on the podcast
Pod cast sounds great
Love podcasts
Nice job explaining John. Very difficult to keep it simple while not going into the finer details. Most can't hear the blubbering sound of the saw leaning out at idle, which makes it harder to teach.
Exactly my man... I literally was thinking of how I could do a voice over so you could hear me and the saw but it just didn't work
@@johnscustomsaws Keep it up cuz, You're crushing it. Kudos
Another really helpful video... Cheers
Thank s
I'm really not in to the saws then self's but more the engines. I'm coming up with ideas for a really sick Frankenstein motorized bicycle kit
JOHN, cool name lol. For real you describe things like me so very easy to fallow and some times wish you went farther lol. Keep up the good work.
Great video! Podcast might be nice but having a geeky terminology guest in a video would be cool! I am more of a video guy but everyone’s different.
Good vid John.
Thank you!
Brilliant video. Thanks again
A podcast would be cool!
Good job-related
Thank you!!!!
Hey John, thanks for another great video. I follow you on IG but I don't spend much time on there. But I have been bingeing your videos since I found them. I mess with saws a little, mainly just rebuilds. Would love to try some porting one of these times. Maybe sometime in the future I may see if I can get a saw done bye you, when you have time and I have funds. Lol Honestly the way you explain things makes perfect sense. Really appreciate the insight from a pro!! Keep it up man, thanks!
Thanks man... just email me and I can tell you how I would do the cylinder work and you can do it yourself and see the difference... I honestly doubt I will ever take on new customers... at best I will sell built saws on my website but even then I have to get thru the endless waiting list... its why I do these videos so you guys can get the info and have at it... I will eventually go further into detail and Guilty of Treeson has the 200t video I go into fine detail on that build... might be worth a look
@@johnscustomsaws Awesome man, thanks! I've got an 046 I may try first, as my guinea pig. I've seen the 200 video on Jake's channel, im gonna give that a shot on one of mine once I feel I've got an idea. Really do appreciate the videos man. I find some of the other people a little hard to watch. Lol I'm sure, it looks like you're slammed which is great. Thanks again.
@@johnscustomsaws limb reaper is bad ass man id be proud to run one of your saws, if you dont have haters your not doing something right
@@johnscustomsaws you should consider doing saws for us dummys like me will have to spend alot of money i dont have on tools just to try porting and what not
@@joshuap7501 I want to eventually do top-ends ready to bolt on... ported and machined and you guys install yourself... the issue is that I can't guarantee them because I am not installing them... everyone thinks they are a badass mechanic but thats just not the case... so I dont want to ruin the reputation I have for quality work because people aren't assembling their saw correctly... I go back and forth my man
Excellent video
Thanks for the clarification on the carb. A lot of bad info out there. A podcast would be cool. Just pick a topic and ramble away!!! I’ll listen on my long driver to work. I’m running out of Percision rifle and golf podcasts.
Great video, thanks, . The little round screen inside the carb is it necessary ?
Great video as always, this is one thing I struggle with for sure. I agree you make it look easy but it is certainly not.
Hahahahaha I just coughed up my cup of coffee. (The horse comment)
Thanks John, great video
Loving the content been watching from the beginning! I’d be all over that podcast if you started one!
The Minnesota Saw God with another killer video! Killing it john love your content,keep up the hard work 🔥🔥
2- cycles love rich
Jon I see a 441 in your videos, I’d like to see some of the 441. I personally have one would like your thoughts on it
i have an in depth video on instagram breaking down the 441... at the moment its in a bad way... ran nitrous on it before i understood the secret to running NOS and i gernaded the cylinder... busted the base off the jug... sooooooooo... she needs a bit of work lol... the 441 isnt a great saw honestly... i like mine obviously but it has had so much work done its not even really a 441 anymore... different intake and carb... gutted all the mtronic parts... different flywheel and muffler... different side cover with captive bar nuts... veined crank... it goes on and on... even then its a lean running single ring high rpm firewood saw... it has its place but with a big bar a 461 or 460 would eat it for breakfast... just the reality of it
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Good info hay have you done a ms 391 that is ported one out? And did we miss out on the coil swap on the 880 & the 881 did it work? If not no harm In asking maybe Donny walker in Canada if he don’t know he probably knows some one who know s but a good job on explaining your worm up method after porting and the card adjusting 😎👍👍👍👍👍👍😎
I haven't done a 391 just maintenance and repairs... And the coil swap I was right on it but someone has already done it apparently I'm just late to the party on that 1 lol... But at least we know It Doe's work
went to your channel and could not find spacific video on the red plastic plug removal ?
Whats average recommended turns for 461 putting on bark box exhaust . Like 1 1/4 and 1. Cant really fine any instructional videos or how to tune to the bark box
I need help bad. First of all I followed your saw dyeing tutorial and shit turned out mint. I’ve since been doing the same to other crews members saws. But I’m running a standard 462 and they have metal inserts where the carb adjustment is. I can’t find out anything on how to get past the adjustment limiters
Lol i go off the same way when I get engine splanning
John, where can people buy one of your saws (not intended for any kind of wood cutting)? Do you have a storefront or is it hidden somewhere in your insta?
I want one wen I grow up just like that....I'm only 43 and my wife....well you no
I would have lower idle , , than you have. I think they start cold better.
Great video 👍 quick question, where would you tach a stock 261 and 362 at on the max rpm as a baseline, before tweakin in the wood?
Are they adjustable carbs? Most are mtronic but they are definitely out there and if they are I set those pretty rich... the 261 especially i run them really rich
@@johnscustomsaws yeh both adjustable carbs 👍
Any suggestions for someone in mn to build me a saw I know I asked you before and you said you aren’t taking on new customers anyone else good you recommend locally?
What saw are you looking to get done?
Hey fella I appreciate the info ... do you have a website or a way for someone like myself that lives in Moscow Ohio to order a saw through you ... I would like to have a conversation about a build I think really only you or Ironhorse could do... thank you stay safe frosty and free buddy
Hi John , after a muf mod would it be betr to use a digital tach ? Thanks for the vids 👍👍
You definitely can... I set it to 13600 at WOT 13400 if you run 50:1... then make any fine adjustments if needed... I like to tune by ear and verify with a tach... just how I do it
what is the difference between ms460 and ms460 magnum
Can you still be lean on the H even if you tune it to the recomended RPM? I have a 395xp with a muffler mod and i tuned the H to 12000 which is 500 below the max stated but it doesnt 4 stroke at the top or when i pull it out of the cut. thanks
Yes absolutely... So one thing is if you do a muffler mod you usually have to add some fuel... I do it on the low setting... but just because you are at the factory settings does not necessarily mean the saw is tuned correctly... There is a lot to it to be honest this video is very basic
Please do the podcast! There's a lack of this type of thing in that format. Also, on the 372XP you just did, was that an x-torq? If so, did you remove the strato dividers? I did that on mine and it caused my high jet to be more than 1.5 turns out, but it seems to make sense, since you're nearly doubling the portion of air that requires fuel.
Yessir it was an x torq but they didn't have dividers actually... I thought they did too but I guess they changed that now 🤷♂️
@@johnscustomsaws if we can confirm can I buy an intake from you?
How much for me to send you my ms461 and beef it up?? It's a 2017 saw I bought it in 2020 because it was 15% off brand new, I doubt I have 8 tanks of fuel through it.
That thing sounds mean as fck I have it going through two 15 in Subs 2,8 in mids and highs lol oh damn sounds like its rite in my front room
Lol I have listened thru a decent Bluetooth setup but not that good... I bet it sounded pretty gnarly 🤘
@@johnscustomsaws hell yea dude up stairs thought I had my bike and the running .blaah hahaha
@@johnscustomsaws but yea dude u make some sweet clips u explain shit well. I been learning a lot.
Would the carb on the 044 and the 046 L and H be 1 or 1 1/4 out?
John have you had any issues with the carb needles walking out after removing the carb limiters? I was talking with a guy who said Stihl puts them in there because they don't run a needle springs anymore to keep them in place, and part of the reason for the limiters being there is to keep the needles from moving. I've never had an issue with the saws I've worked on, just seeing what your take is on that .
i got that problem and i don't know what to do because my carb limiters are damaged
I needed a whole week to realize what hapening with my carb because every time I adjust carb it couldn't work then I removed plastic and saw it that screw is moving while my saw is working I'm thinking to put a bigger screw
Got a question. Will a bark box fit a ms 441?
No the 441 has a 1 piece muffler... I swapped my 441 muffler for a 044 muffler but I had to modify it quite a bit... thats how I have a barkbox on my 441
@@johnscustomsaws thx! For the information 👍
NEWBIE-NOTE / PRO-TIP: The tips of these H & L jet-needles are often VERY tiny sharp tips (that are blocking-off the H or L jet), anyways DO NOT put significant pressure on the screws when bottoming-out (putting them to fully closed, full CW turned-off fully closed), if you continue CW turning - which it WILL let you - you will bend the needle tip at end of adjustment-screw and future adjustments will be VERY wonky!!
Unless you remove the limit caps you can't over-tightem them... if you want to makw your own videos on how to do this stuff please go ahead... I don't want these "I know better so here is the right way..." comments... It just confuses people... not trying to sound like its my way or the highway.... but I feel I have put my time in and been in the trenches proving myself and even tho I am new to RUclips you calling me a newbie is as far from reality as it gets... you aren't seeing the analytics like I do... there is more to it than you think... I can't go into fine detail on everything and make every video 3 hrs long people lose interest and then it is no good to anyone... but I would ask that you compare resumes before claiming you are avpro and im a newbie please
@@johnscustomsawsto be honest, I think he was just adding to the video by bringing up a point you didn't cover. I don't believe the intention here was to step on your toes and say you don't know as much as he. Most of your videos are vague to say the least, not that you aren't giving out good information and insight. Your videos aren't for the novice, but seem to speak more to the more experienced sawyer. Which is fine. Sometimes the basics are not needed, but you shouldn't get offended if someone is adding to the conversation for those that don't have a clue.
Hello John can u please help me I need help for a crankshaft. Thank uuuu
Hey, did you hear about some guy hoarding 500i’s?
Nope 🤷♂️... sounds like a real dick move to me
All i could think all video is how ugly your air filter cover is 😂
Turn the idle down dam