It's always helpful to know how to do even some of the simplest things like this, especially for new brewers like myself because of the money invested in the equipment, you want to make sure that you're not going to do something wrong or miss any important steps 😊 Thanks always for the great videos 👍
@@scoobtoober2975 The main thing I wanted to get across was you don't have to go buying special acids to do it, or wasting star san, the main thing about passivation is the air dry. Cheers!
I work with marine stainless a lot and citric acid (the active part of Barkeepers Friend) is better than any other acid you can easily get in Aus for stainless. It will also clean up any rust that's formed and stop it getting worse. There's no reason to use anything else. If it's bad you can soak it in the stuff for a few days in a bucket - I've fixed up rusty stainless shackles this way. The idea is to dissolve and remove any free iron (and iron oxide) at the surface. For stainless to be properly stainless (especially in coastal areas) the whole surface needs to be one unbroken chrome layer a few molecules thick. If there's iron grains they'll form galvanic cells and eat away at the anodic chrome layer. You don't need expensive 316 either - even cheap 18-8 stainless things that are handled and cleaned all the time (like cutlery or pots and pans) don't rust because you are knocking the iron oxide off as it forms so it ends up naturally passivated. For those curious, stuff like CLR uses Phosphoric Acid, which doesn't dissolve iron but instead alloys it to make iron phosphate - this is a bit better than plain iron but still nowhere near as good as a solid chrome layer for stainless. Finally you don't want to leave plain iron or mild steel stuff soaking in citric acid long term as it will (slowly) eat away at it.
And if you find mold in a bulkhead, head, galley, whatever, that citric in a spray bottle is better than bleach. And if you're stuck with hard water for some reason (like maybe you live in the Thames Valley), that very same citric will eat carbonate and soap scum all day long.
I am glad to know I am not the only one who cleans and dries. I have never had an issue. “Passivation” is a relatively new term. It came around after my stainless equipment.
Great to see how others clean there brew rig. Let's face it it's 90% of brewing beer cleaning - might as well make it as easy as possible. I'm gunna get some barkeepers friend!
While I don't need yet another piece of brewing gear, I am srsly considering a gen4 65L purchase once they are available in the US. I'll pacify the heck out of it!
Thanks for the informative video Gash, I've been using Bar keepers friend for years and using a similar method to you for cleaning. I've never thought that I had passivate my all vessel using this metod. Hope you recovery is going well as I know what it's like it taken me a while. Cheers
I do pretty much the same. I like to use the barkeepers friend liquid version. The liquid is a citric acid oxalic acid blend. The spray also works really well too. Great video 🍻
Thank you for mentioning the air dry stage. Too many times I’ve seen people load up their brewer sections that come into contact with the wort, with starsan and then fill up the brewer or plug in the starsan dripping pipe connection. If you do this you are contaminating your beer with sanitizer.
Hi Gash , thanks very much for the information, I have made a order for Bar keepers friend, oh and I know how you felt with COVID my wife and I have both got it, even stopped us going away on vacation 👍
Interesting video Gavin. I love how you call it pacifying. In British English that has an entirely different meaning. I was imagining you having to chill out a really angry Brewzilla 😂
I must have missed the part where this was only necessary in the gen 4, I have the gen 3, for memory when I got it last year I just put some pbw and stellarsan thru it and dried it out and let it sit for a while before using it for the first time and its still sparkly clean inside.
Great video, mate. Just bought one of these units - still have the washout, registering, logging on, calibration, etc. I used to do extract and have some tins to use up, so I'll look on your site and see if you have a part grain/extract video. Also, I haven't come across anyone making a "do not do this..." video for any of these type of units yet. Do you have a video or have a list of points that will cause an unhappy brew day for a newbie, please?
How long can beer be left in a pet bottle until the co2 escapes through the walls or until the o2 produces oxidation due to the porosity of the plastic?
Not all pet bottles are the same, most of the beer ones are made to protect the beer. I wouldnt age a beer in pet for years, but you'll be fine up to a year easy. Cheers!
Never have I ever passivated any of my stainless all in one systems. It is always recommended but I think it's pointless. Cheers gash. Patiently waiting for the gen4
yeah it hard to read in direct sun, they all are though, I didnt move it out of direct sun for the rest of the shots, I just changed from my camera to my phone, oh there may of been one shot that wasn't outside, 95% were?? Will find out how it goes in the future, not that I ever brew in the sun though
Your Wi-Fi login procedure and registering the unit was priceless!!
It's always helpful to know how to do even some of the simplest things like this, especially for new brewers like myself because of the money invested in the equipment, you want to make sure that you're not going to do something wrong or miss any important steps 😊 Thanks always for the great videos 👍
Glad to help cheers mate
"When's the last time you've pacified your knives and forks?" 🤣 love it! Cheers Gash. G4 looks pretty cool!
😁 Cheers mate! lol
Then agian you don't boil your forks in a pot for 2 hours. Some of the dodgy stainless is questionable. I think it's good measure.
@@scoobtoober2975 I do some pretty rough things to my cheap arse saucepans..
@@scoobtoober2975 The main thing I wanted to get across was you don't have to go buying special acids to do it, or wasting star san, the main thing about passivation is the air dry. Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork cheers, thanks
Your videos are such a good resource for us new brewers! Nice pace and a wonderful personality. A big thank you from Sweden.
I work with marine stainless a lot and citric acid (the active part of Barkeepers Friend) is better than any other acid you can easily get in Aus for stainless. It will also clean up any rust that's formed and stop it getting worse. There's no reason to use anything else.
If it's bad you can soak it in the stuff for a few days in a bucket - I've fixed up rusty stainless shackles this way.
The idea is to dissolve and remove any free iron (and iron oxide) at the surface. For stainless to be properly stainless (especially in coastal areas) the whole surface needs to be one unbroken chrome layer a few molecules thick. If there's iron grains they'll form galvanic cells and eat away at the anodic chrome layer. You don't need expensive 316 either - even cheap 18-8 stainless things that are handled and cleaned all the time (like cutlery or pots and pans) don't rust because you are knocking the iron oxide off as it forms so it ends up naturally passivated.
For those curious, stuff like CLR uses Phosphoric Acid, which doesn't dissolve iron but instead alloys it to make iron phosphate - this is a bit better than plain iron but still nowhere near as good as a solid chrome layer for stainless.
Finally you don't want to leave plain iron or mild steel stuff soaking in citric acid long term as it will (slowly) eat away at it.
And if you find mold in a bulkhead, head, galley, whatever, that citric in a spray bottle is better than bleach. And if you're stuck with hard water for some reason (like maybe you live in the Thames Valley), that very same citric will eat carbonate and soap scum all day long.
Haha love the comment about ‘when did you last pacify your knives and forks?’ 😂
I am glad to know I am not the only one who cleans and dries. I have never had an issue. “Passivation” is a relatively new term. It came around after my stainless equipment.
Definitely, it was never much mentioned in a home brewery. Cheers!
Hanging out for your first brew on this video
Long cut of the video is complete, the short cut for youtube will get done in the next few days. Cheers!
Great to see how others clean there brew rig.
Let's face it it's 90% of brewing beer cleaning - might as well make it as easy as possible.
I'm gunna get some barkeepers friend!
It's good shit!
While I don't need yet another piece of brewing gear, I am srsly considering a gen4 65L purchase once they are available in the US. I'll pacify the heck out of it!
Hahaha awesome! Cheers mate!
Always good content Gash, been watching since the extract days! watching this with a beer getting pacified! LOL 👊
Well I hope you're feeling more relaxed now hahaha Cheers!
Super helpful. I’m going to passivate my kettles now
Glad it was helpful! Cheers!
Thanks for the informative video Gash, I've been using Bar keepers friend for years and using a similar method to you for cleaning. I've never thought that I had passivate my all vessel using this metod. Hope you recovery is going well as I know what it's like it taken me a while.
Cheers
Thank you very much mate, its been an excruciatingly slow recovery, but I think I'm getting better! Hope you're well mate, cheers!
Finally a good explanation! Cheers!
Glad it helped!
Looking forward to the brew day with the Gen 4 Brewzilla, with whirlpool. Cheers.
It will be uploaded for patreons tomorrow the long version, the youtube version will take me a few more days . Cheers!
I do pretty much the same. I like to use the barkeepers friend liquid version. The liquid is a citric acid oxalic acid blend. The spray also works really well too. Great video 🍻
Cheers mate, thanks for taking a look!
Thank you for mentioning the air dry stage. Too many times I’ve seen people load up their brewer sections that come into contact with the wort, with starsan and then fill up the brewer or plug in the starsan dripping pipe connection.
If you do this you are contaminating your beer with sanitizer.
Yes you never see the air dry stage mentioned much. Cheers!
Hi Gash , thanks very much for the information, I have made a order for Bar keepers friend, oh and I know how you felt with COVID my wife and I have both got it, even stopped us going away on vacation 👍
It's awful mate, I hope it doesn't get bad for you two, I've still got symptoms 4 weeks after testing positive, it sucks! Cheers and thanks!
Interesting video Gavin. I love how you call it pacifying. In British English that has an entirely different meaning. I was imagining you having to chill out a really angry Brewzilla 😂
Yeah mate just me tripping over my tongue as usual lol 😂
Great video Gash. Bar Keepers Friend is the best cleaner, it cleans so many things.
It really is! Even the wife is a convert, she loves it more than me. lol Cheers!
I must have missed the part where this was only necessary in the gen 4, I have the gen 3, for memory when I got it last year I just put some pbw and stellarsan thru it and dried it out and let it sit for a while before using it for the first time and its still sparkly clean inside.
You missed nothing, its the point of this video. you don't need too.. I keep getting asked all the time how to. Cheers!
Great video, mate. Just bought one of these units - still have the washout, registering, logging on, calibration, etc. I used to do extract and have some tins to use up, so I'll look on your site and see if you have a part grain/extract video.
Also, I haven't come across anyone making a "do not do this..." video for any of these type of units yet. Do you have a video or have a list of points that will cause an unhappy brew day for a newbie, please?
All good. Nice video. Yeah I wouldn’t use bar keepers friend on plastic fermenters.. LOL. It’s a bit abrasive.
Saying that, I still used to scrub the hell out of them with 3m pads if needed :)
More sensible advice! BKF is awesome, I use it all around the house! 🍺👍
It sure is! Cheers mate!
How long can beer be left in a pet bottle until the co2 escapes through the walls or until the o2 produces oxidation due to the porosity of the plastic?
Not all pet bottles are the same, most of the beer ones are made to protect the beer. I wouldnt age a beer in pet for years, but you'll be fine up to a year easy. Cheers!
Never have I ever passivated any of my stainless all in one systems. It is always recommended but I think it's pointless. Cheers gash. Patiently waiting for the gen4
Cheers mate thanks for watching!
Great info 👍
Thanks for watching! Cheers Jigsaw!
For cleaning purposes only, would Barkeepers friend (or even pure citric acid) be able to replace PBW as the cleaning agent?
yes for sure
Thanks for the video. Grabbed my can o bartender friend this arvo.
Good choice! Cheers mate!
Hear there soul's screaming away hahaha ture metal head 🤟🤟
Cheers Phil hahaha
If you do happen to have rust on it, what is the best way of getting it off?
Scrub it off, it shouldnt be deep, if it's past surface rust then you have bigger problems. Clean it off and air dry! Cheers!
I cant find bar keepers friend in norway, is there anorher product i can use?
It's mainly Citric acid so you could start with that? Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork thanks alot
Screen's pretty dim and hard to read outside by the looks. Hope it's better inside.
yeah it hard to read in direct sun, they all are though, I didnt move it out of direct sun for the rest of the shots, I just changed from my camera to my phone, oh there may of been one shot that wasn't outside, 95% were?? Will find out how it goes in the future, not that I ever brew in the sun though
Finally... ;)
lol Cheers!