Hanging Drywall Ep.106
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2021
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Thank you, be safe, and be grateful.
When the mud guy IS the sheet hanger, you get much more attention to detail and a greater quality of work.
I was just thinking that and you already wrote the comment.👍
And if the guy sanding is the guy putting the mud on, better odds that only the right amount of mud will be applied.
Oh yeah we did the finishing too and that should be up in a bit
Facts I love to try to get exact as I can.
@@jackmarkham9344 hey Look it’s Jack!
The best way to learn to hang board properly is to be the taper on a poorly hung drywall installation. Always complete your task as if you are the next trade to follow....
Yes .i always tell apprentices to go ask the plasterer how it was and if any screws were past flush
Absolutely agree. You dont care so much until you are the guy there to fix it.
Why that's just crazy talk! I am an Electrician and practiced that philosophy. Much to the consternation of many.
Amen!!
Hell yeah always
This remins me of helping my future father in law install drywall in his downstairs garage. He was a diesel mechanic. Anyway he was a humble, quiet man. (Finally! I was helping someone do a construction actvity who was not full of pride!)
As we struggled with the ceiling boards, I asked him about a T post. He had never heard of that. So I made a tall T post out of 2x4s. It helped so much! He really liked it. We always got on very well.
When we were taking a break we paused with our sodas. We could hear the ladies yakking upstairs but he didn't go upstairs or anything. He stayed with me. After a few quiet minutes I asked, "We are hiding, aren't we?" He smiled and said yes. Then we finished our project.
Nothing wrong with a little "hiding" and a quiet, humble understanding between men
Story would be better if you had a beer
We call it strategic maneuvering rather than hiding.
Nails? Wow. Stopped using nails 20 years ago.
I JUST USE THEM TO NAIL ON CORNERBEED
They just nail it up to hold it then screw it off because it’s much easier and faster than trying to hold in place and drive a screw.
@@jdcustoms6663 I have been boarding for 20 years. Putting screws in is easier and better.
@@sovereignrebel1253 Agreed. Nails were better than screws when they were the only real option. I've not done 20 years worth of sheetrock, but I've, probably, literally never put a nail in a single sheet - Not even hanging pictures.
@@oneofmany1087 Why, though?
One of the things I did before my contractor did the dry wall was to photograph all the walls. It gave me a good reference locating wires, pipes etc. for any future work.
Now that the drywall is up are you going to stop making the same comment every video?
And BTW, no way you are finding those photos in 25+ years.
Get some archival prints made up and have them stored by the title company with the house's other documents, along with an M-Disc. Keep another set with the plans in the house. You could even put those in a dedicated inset cabinet in an under-utilized section of wall. It doesn't have to be perfect, but you might save someone (or yourself) a drywall job if they have to go fishing for a repair or retrofit.
This is super helpful in case there were any mistakes made. I'm a plumber, I was trimming out a job that a couple of my coworkers roughed in, and they missed connected the hot water supply for the lav to the main hot trunk line. Because of the pictures, I was able to locate and tie into the hot shower supply three feet away in a closet. Saved a lot of time!
@@kozemchuk true boss maneuver there
@@TheOwenMajor Yeah, I can't find the pictures we took 14 years ago...
I liked leaving an 1/8" gap between sheets of drywall so I could force mud into that gap, which I figured protected the wood better than a thin layer of mud over a tight joint. To all you people thinking about doing your own renovation...notice that the ceiling goes up first. I've watch so many TV programs of people trying to install drywall and they always cover the walls first. You want the walls to support the ceiling all around the edge of the rooms. Notice also that they raise the bottom sheet on the walls a 1/2" up off the floors. Newbies always rest it on the floor which leaves a 1/2" gap at the ceiling.
Ceilings are always first 👍🏽
I haven't seen drywall being nailed on in 30 years I've forgotten
Easier to get it started, 4 nails then switch to screws. My forman did it and REQUIRED everyone else to also... not sure how much time it saves in reality.
I learned that way, but since the autofeed cordless screw guns, I bet we're twice as fast on lids. I don't remember the last time I used a nail.
@@timcorbett9629 I get mixed reviews about the auto feeds, from pros they say they jam alot or if it disengage you have to use a regular gun to put the screw in or just remove tge screw, alot use a regular cordless screw gun designed for drywall work
And as fast as they grab in put screws in I only see the benefit of those belt fed guns is for a mid teir installer like me as I dont hang drywall alot anymore
@@kareemt4526 There is a small learning curve, and I always have a screw driver handy. Haven't had too many troubles with jamming, but I do clean the tool occasionally. I only use the autofeed on lids, cause I can manually feed screws on the tip just as fast, but not while holding the sheet up. I was the first to adopt the autofeed on our crew, and I was doing 6 or 7 screws per 1 of the manual guys. I'm not doing this full time though, probably 5 or 6 houses a year. Maybe a few other renos as well.
Agreed, Start with setting the board with nails. Then screw it off.
Drywall guys are something. My buddy and I finished my basement and did most of the drywall on the walls. I asked a neighbor who does drywall for a living to help finish it. He also said he help with the ceiling. My buddy and I would struggle to balance the sheet on our heads and get a couple of screws in it. While we finished one sheet, this guy alone was throwing up full sheets, holding them with his head and hammering nails. I think he did 3 or 4 by the time we got one up. We just stopped because we could tell we were just in his way. We just followed and screwed his sheets. Impressive stuff.
back in '77, I had just started my chiropractic practice. I had a patient who identified his profession as, "Flathead." "What's a flathead? I asked. "I hang drywall." He said. "When I am putting up drywall on the ceiling, I hold it up with my head as I nail it. That's why they call us flatheads."
The old holding the board up with your head trick seems like a good idea when you young but when you get back neck and shoulder isues later not so good
As a framer who has dabbled in drywall with my handyman business, I can say, it's way more labor and time intensive than most people think, and I have much respect for those who do it well!
I rarely accept jobs that make me have to do a lot of drywall and mudding lol
@@malaquiasalfaro81 That is why you should know a guy
You say the hangers did a perfect job, and from my seat it looks like they did. I must point out as well, from my seat as a carpenter who jas also hung a few sheets of drywall himself, it sure looks like your work is just about perfect as well. When a house it square plumb and true, the hangers have far fewer problems to contend with. The lines and cuts show up against the framing backdrop in this video, and while work is always work, I am ready to bet your hangers enjoyed working on your project due to your overall experience, the respect your trades applied (plumb electrical boxes and 90° plumbing extrusions etc.) and the pickup work you put in. Way to go, that was VERY satisfying to watch.
Yes 1000 times. This is exactly my thought. The first guy looking out for the next guy, and so on. That's the beauty in this process. That's the collaboration that I absolutely love. Having the integrity to do everything right, because even though all the work gets covered, everything underneath makes that perfect cover possible.
Oh yeah this job was great the last house we had to do was 2 inches out of square
@@jackmarkham9344 ouch! Caulking and paint make a carpenter what he ain't. Lol ;-)
One more thing shows their experience: they go around obstacles using a single sheet with a cutout in it, avoiding joints that line up with corners. This goes a long way to prevent cracking in the future as the structure moves. See 9:20, 15:15, 15:36 for examples. This requires a bit more planning and thinking, but actually makes the job faster *and* of much higher quality.
When you see a guy do that, you hire him and treat him like cake.
@@buk6708 treat him like 🎂? eat em? 😄
(*I know what you meant)
Was really appreciating the front door seams.
I'm looking above my window, where a bunch of curtain rod screw holes (and a quake or three) have launched a crack towards the ceiling.
It’s probably because he’s also doing the mudding himself too lol
200 dollars a screwfeeder , try it guys , work easy with collated screws!
Yeah but its twice as expensive and never really pays for itsself due to the price of the screws needed
@@jackmarkham9344 Pays for itself in time saved though for sure, unless you're the guy in this video. I am definitely far from the guy in the video.
@@kevinharaldcross yeah thats me and the boss he says its too expensive and wont pay for itsself so he tells me not to worry about getting one
@@jackmarkham9344 Sub-contract drywaller here. It's cost-effective to buy these screws if you slam on sheets. I work for 0.24 foot squared and throw 200-250 sheets a week using collated strips. I buy two boxes a month. Tack and go usually with my main screw feeder and then switch to hand screwing to tie down. I'm pretty fast at hand screwing so I've found it to be a good system for working.
ECs videos on other tradesmen are done with so much class, reverence and respect. I just love watching this channel-so informative and relaxing. Brings back memories of past jobs, experiences, friendships. It’s practically a national treasure and a wonderful homage to the trades.
With a father, and step father, and Uncle all involved in construction, and having spent a lot of summers working on all types of projects, watching these videos brings back such memories - I can close my eyes and know what each of those rooms smells like during each phase of construction - thanks for the memories !!
Yep, my dad and brother and I sitting on the stack of plywood in the sun, eating sammiches and listening to Paul Harvey at noon sharp!
Definitely the phase that transforms the project from rough to finish. It's also one of the most physically demanding trades. No planeing or filling on the stud walls? Impressive!
I'm so glad you clarified that green plasterboard is NOT waterproof! As a tile setter so many times in the UK I arrive on a site to be told there's no need for me to waterproof (tank) the wet areas, because the builder has installed green plasterboard already! They just don't get it!
Green board is mold resistant not water proof. Here in California you cannot have green board under tile in wet areas like floors and showers/baths.
In Ontario, Canada it's code to drywall over greenboard. It just has to be "moisture resistant". Crazy.
@@thebigmacd it shouldn't be in wet locations.
@@robertopics that's what our code says. It's nuts, but it meets code here. No requirement for waterproofing.
9.29.10.4. moisture Resistant Backing
(1) Ceramic and plastic tile installed on walls around bathtubs or showers shall be applied over moisture resistant backing.
@@thebigmacd just imagining the sheer number of showers without fiberboard makes me shutter. Fuzzy walls all around...
As someone who is relatively new to being a homeowner it's been wonderful seeing the how's and why's for the construction process.
Drywall also has glass fibers in it that acts as rebar. If you look at a snapped piece of drywall you will see a bunch of hairs and fibers
Fireboard does. Regular rock . . . not so much.
Having hung drywall for a year straight, collated screw strips are a time and shoulder saver! I haven't seen nailed drywall in so long. LOVE this series. Always a pleasure to watch.
I've hung a lot of drywall and I haven't seen someone nail like that in a long time.
right? I thought screw guns were the norm... They are in AUS...
Not to mention all the damages into the plates with the hammer... :( really bad practice. Use screws people!
Only using nails to tack it up. Cap the nail with a screw afterwards. When I started in 1979 we nailed everything.
Yeah darrens been nailing for 20 years and he wont teach me how because he says theres no future to it
@Jack, just watch him if you want to to it yourself 🤷 lol there's nothing wrong with learning. Just make sure if you're going to do it on one of your jobs you use the right nailing pattern. In Ontario, you have to double up nails in pairs in the the field of the board 👍
This was thought to give the performance of 1 screw. 2 nails to 1 so they don't pop
Two gringos hanging rock, what is this voodoo. Having been in construction a long time hanging rock is probably the hardest thing I've ever done and these dudes made it look easy, real pros. Try hold a full sheet of 5/8 over your head, set a tack, and nail at a weird angle is freaking hard.
Just use a board jack. Or a well placed broom or two.
@@muaddib667 lol only jack I saw was his helper. I had to make the joke.
i hung for 4 years in my 20"s. I could stiff arm a 12' 5/8 sheet over head with no assistance. No jacks, no props. It is faster, not necessarily easier. Getting board on the wall is how you make $$, piece work. I think about that now and ... nope. Let someone else do it. :)
made my arms hurt just watching them
Harder then concrete or masonry, blasphemous lol
Drywall nails with wooden studs work very well. But there are areas of the world where studs in 99% of residential buildings are steel sections. That's one scenario where you have to use screws. I've seen people so seasoned that they can install drywall screws freehand using high-torque impact drivers and ordinary Philips bits. They feather the trigger just right, and it's always a treat to see them in action.
I was always thankful there were men that worked in this trade.
My phone butt-dialed my physical therapist just watching these guys. Not sure how their shoulders and lower back hold up. Always happy see good tradesmen at work!
Hangers and plasterers are some of the strongest dudes on the site. They earn every penny.
@@fromulus I bet block masons are in the running for that.
@@andrewalexander9492 them too, don't want to forget the masons.
My parents had their home built in '62-63. It was drywalled and then skimmed in hard plaster. Even today those walls are flat, smooth, and beautiful.
I’ve remodeled two houses with that same construction. Wire lath was used in the inside corners instead of paper tape. 100% hand nailed. Extreme more durable as compared to today’s drywall. Of course no telling how much additional labor would be needed.
@@davem3789 i was just at the old house yesterday (my daughter and her husband bought it a few years ago and are getting it ready to put on the market) and I paid particular attention to the walls. They are still spectacular. Flat and smooth as glass. They guys who did the work were very skilled.
I'm suprised they're not using an auto feed drywall drill or a drywall lift.
those two tools would cut the speed of this install in half.
Thinking the same thing. I didn't know people still used nails, I hate using nails. I use 2 guys, 2 collated drywall guns, and a lift. 2 types of lift actually. Goes way, way faster
I thought the same thing (lift), but they way they're working, it would just add complexity and time. (solo, the lift is a must.)
If it cut the speed in half surely that would make it take twice as long?
Best way is 2 mexican guys, collated screws for the lids only, no wimpy boy lifts. Those screws are expensive and not faster on walls if youre good. The guys in the video still use nails, have a router but still use a drywall saw, dont secure door frames before cutting it out and didnt flip all of the sheets first, so they still waste a bit of time
Union carpenter here metal framer/drywall hanger awesome video good clean work
In Massachusetts, most custom homes are "blue board" and plaster skim-coat.
Smooth wall takes a home to another level.
Trackdog90, more labor, more money = more quality!
This isn't a custom home, it's a spec build.
Spec build yes...custom/high-end also
@@GaryT1952 I wouldn't say it's exactly "high end". Scott puts a lot of time and effort into many of the details that *he* does, but frankly, for some of the stuff, especially subcontracted work, he sometimes takes a cheaper, lower quality route.
First dodgy looking thing I've seen on this project - nails and no glue. So many fasteners!
Glue holds the boards to the framing, the screws are just clamps while the glue cures.
Drywall router is so helpful. Will never go back.
I haven't done drywall in 20 years but I have added cat5 and other outlets , and I'm definitely getting a drywall router the precision and speed would be worth every penny
@@gabewhisen3446
I bought a used one.. Thinking i would try it. The bearing was shot. Loved so much.. Went and bought a new one. So much quicker and precise. Little bit of a learning curve. But not complicated.
Darren has a good eye and a good hand. He's quick, efficient and good. Those are very rare attributes
And when they are done with taping, just before priming paint, go around and slap each stud with the flat of your hand on about 2' intervals. It is amazing how many "nail pops" will show up on wood framing. You can catch them at that point and not have to deal with them a year later. Saves a lot of money and frustration.
Better yet you can glue and screw and avoid it all together.
This homeowner will be dealing with nail pops for a very long time.
If your heart is dead set on slapping the sheetrock wich by the way only has a 400 psi rating i would definitely let the sheetrock guys perform that task after the skim coat so nothing has been sanded yet . I am of the mind if the sheets were hung properly they will settle with the house nicely you may have some pops down the line years later . If your looking for longer lasting materials that stand up longer and take more abuse call your local plaster tradesman. Also be careful slapping the sheetrock because you could upset more than a few nails
Save your hand lol,
Many states it is code to use only screws without any nails !
I really appreciate how he only puts the nails in on the tape lines.
My house has some nice ugly nail pops on the tape lines. I'd rather see zero nails on any drywall project I'm involved in.
When I hanged drywall back in the 70's, we always glued our ceiling & side walls and it prevented nail pops and when the house settled there were less cracks from settlements, I guess I'm old school!!
Yeah well, I used to think that too. I expect I used up hundreds of cases of DSA20 through my hanging career, and always thought it kept the nail pops down. My second career has been home renovations and I've demolished out lots of baths and kitchens in '60s and '70s era houses. In all cases the glue is completely hardened, fossilized, and separated from the back of the rock. Lots of walls banging against the studs freely if you bump on them.
He's fast, great father and son team !
Yeah thats cool except he aint my dad XD
Watching these two gentlemen hanging drywall was Zen like. Great way to start my Saturday morning drinking coffee and watching sheetrock go up. Nice.
You can tell the fella in the tartan shirt is a old timer, he’s almost the only one nailing the sheet rock, all the other guys use automatic screw guns.
Very nice of the sheetrock guys to open up the holes for spotlights, that almost never happens here in Sweden.
At most they leave a nail somewhere near the center, usually nothing at all.
20 years ago I helped build row houses in Pennsylvania, or town houses we called them. As a firewall between the units they required two layers of drywall on each side of one continuous wall from the foundation wall up into the eaves.
Great to watch someone who's mastered a specific trade.
Man I tell you, your guy is tops. It really is an art to say the least. That is for sure hard work when you are over your head as well.
It is just so wet in our area with the 6 to 8 feet of rain a year that i just do not like or trust dry wall. I use concrete board. I finish the concrete board like dry wall. For me it is just more durable and water resistant as well. I just never liked the repairs that were always needed for dry wall as well. We use a lot of wood on the interior walls like plywood sheeting as well. I know this is different than up in the former USA but for us here in Chile building new houses wood is king.
So the only places I am not using wood of some sort is in the bathrooms where we have moisture and humidity.
Love the channel and videos. Jim in Chile.
Around here we need to put vapor barrier before the sheetrock. Also we only use screws
Watching trades in action is a thing of beauty. 14:21, he takes a second to enjoy the view while cutting.
Cordless tools get better and save so much time! But you still need drywall saw, rasp for shaving to fit, chalk-string to snap lines, straight edge and drywall T square and sometimes shim strips (not always a wall that was planed and square). Tape measure and plenty of sharp blades for the utility knife. PS just helped someone out with a ceiling...those panel lifts work great!
You asked the question: how good is good enough? Well, to me, nailing drywall is not good enough.
Thats just because you can’t properly hammer a nail
@@jackmarkham9344 your wrong...who the hell wants nail pops??? I don't care if you're the billy the kid of hammering, those nails will give way....true professional installers, will never nail
@@daleon96 cqfd
@@daleon96 to each their own i suppose
@@jackmarkham9344 How do you avoid the nail pops? Doesn’t that just happen regardless of how well it’s installed? They were all over the place when I bought my house.
No substitute for drywall installers with experience like these guys.
These guys did amazing work. My arms and shoulders are sore just watching them hang that board on the ceiling
Drywall lifter and collated screws for me , work smart not hard , I'm nearly sixty and had my fill of struggling with boards overhead , no sense in ruining your body as a youngster chasing pennies only to end up old and wrecked when you get to the other end when all you can do is sit and count that pile of pennies rather than being able to enjoy them .
I hear you on that!!
Lots of moisture on the West Coast. Is vapour barrier not code on the warm side of the building envelope there?
Been wondering that myself.
Personally, I think it's a mistake not to have a vapour barrier
They worked so well together it seemed like a choreographed dance.
Never been more humbled watching a man work. Being a DIY-er I have attempted drywall a lot... gee whizz I am hanging up my tools. This will forever be contracted. And we haven't even gotten to the mud yet. Wow.
Surprised they aren’t using a self feed screw gun
Those things are awesome!
I agree always use one whenever I plasterboard. I'm in the UK.
Same here! that thing would’ve paid for itself in a day!!!
Maybe, but they aren't losing that much time; notice how quickly Dude is hammering in vs. drywall gun. All in all, pretty pro and pretty quick.
No these are real drywall guys.
Hanging the drywall really transforms the interior of the house, it has a different look, sound, and feel to it
It echoes inside after you drywall a house.
Let's not forget that this building is square way beyond the average home and quite a bit of work went into making sure it was very close tolerance as evidenced by the planing of the faces of any studs that where even a bit out of line.
And earlier the layout was painstakingly checked over and over to make sure it was right and if it wasn't it was done over again, (note; the stairs early on).
I maintain that it can be done just as quickly as poor work or out of tolerance work is done if the competence level is high enough and you must reward it too. All the subs have been extraordinarily competent from the very start in this series and this is my reason for watching.
I love hanging drywall the best.
I built my own house and hung 343 sheets myself ! Brought back memories! Lol
Come on.
Interesting they don't glue the wall board. Anywhere there direct contact with wood, we dab 3 or 4 spots of glue. Holds substantially better than screws or nails, allows sheet to lay flatter, no chance of nail or screw pops, no spotting required, faster hanging. It's superior in every way. Except tearout. Makes removal more difficult.
I was of the same thought tim
I've never seen anyone glue up drywall in the pnw
@@matthoughton1006 well, to clarify, you screw off the perimeter, those all get taped anyway. And I do push the center and make sure there's good contact, even look from behind if you can. Maybe put a set in the middle of the sheet if there's enough bounce you think it might not be touching. PL200 is made specifically for this purpose.
Hi Scott, Darren, and Jack, what a team those guys are, I'm realy impressed. Old walls here were sometimes plastered whith black lime an horse hair, as a base coat, real thick in places to level old walls up, and ceilings were plastered in black lime too, and trying to get them white using whitewash , was near impossible,until PEP paint ( plastic emulsion paint ) became available probably lat 1940s ,early 50s , I'm not certain on that date, but that paint revolutionised decorating, and D IY, . Thanks for the video, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart.uk.
Another great video, Scott.... Hats off to your video people who film and edit this content as well!
I'm in the middle of a much smaller drywall project myself. So this is timely, as I need the motivation to float it, texture, and paint it. Taping and bedding has been completed, just need to add some mud to even out the joints. (Flooding due to a frozen pipe that required significant demolition of flooring, but only the bottom 12 inches or so of the sheet rock in two rooms and a hallway.) I'll be using the 8-inch knife today, and may get to the 12-inch knife on a couple of surfaces later in the day. Oh, and to let you know how small my project is, I only had to buy 3 sheets of 1/2-inch for the entire project. Lots more blades for the box-cutter than three, though!
It’s still hard work!
It saddens me to see hangers still using nails, and no glue. There is no place for nails in drywall. Period. Even if they make it slightly faster, the problems they cause aren't worth it. Same with glue, yes, it slows us down, but the benefits outweigh the speed all day. My hangers were resistant to changing over to screws only, but once they did they realized it works out faster, and it's easier on your shoulders because you can screw the boards off as you go and don't spend 4-6 hours at the end running a screw gun. There are also glues on the market now that make it much faster, and cost effective to glue. I use a product that you apply with a foam gun, and it's long enough that we can do lids from the floor. Another advantage is you use less screws because one per stud in the field on 8' walls is plenty, and two on 9'.
Yeah. Using nails is such a bad idea. And glue is a must. Plus using a collated screw gun is cheap to buy and the screws don't cost much more than loose screws. And screwing is way faster.
Thank you! I came here to say this. Maybe on the walls, where the nails are only in shear. But even on the ceiling?! C'mon now, we're better than that. Screws aren't that expensive. I've fixed too many old houses with saggy drywall and nail head craters. At least with screws you can take it out and put it back in a few inches away.
Great work to everyone who has had a hand in helping you create this awesome house especially the gentleman hanging & finishing your sheetrock for you from what I have watched im willing to bet you got a diamond in the rough with them .
Seeing this excellent work makes me proud to be part of the trade.
God bless.
Guessing Bullnose Corner bead is going in? Corners of drywall sheets are Offset back slightly to accomodate the fit for them. Love the video, thanks for sharing EC and Crew
Cordless and corded both have there places.
Someone that has never hung sheetrock is watching this thinking that looks pretty easy.
Professionals always make it look easy. I was in lawn maintenance for many years and I was also a mover for a few years. And in both jobs I had customers try and give me advice on how to do my job. I would be polite and listen. I know they just want to help but I was a professional and I knew why what they were suggesting wasn't right. If you hire a professional for a job, let them do it.
There are times where every the professionals can't see what a novice can simply from the standpoint that that's how it's always been done. It isn't often, but it does happen. I've been on both ends of this.
I don't agree. Pros cheat all the time.
And I’m betting that happens more than ever now that RUclips’s made experts out of everyone on everything.
First- I don't think they make this look easy. My shoulders ache just watching them. It would take me a long time to get this strong and this competent with a hammer. Second - I have seen "professional" installers put drywall in backwards, insulation backwards, puncture tub liners, and much else. A lot of folks holding themselves out as "experts" can't even read the instructions on the pack of shingles.
That said - I sympathize with customers telling me how to do my job. That's happened to me before in my profession. It is frustrating, but it is their choice sometimes how the work I perform is done. I just tell them the risks and hazards I am trying to avoid in doing it my way. If they want to risk it, I usually let them.
@@furtim1 There are some terrible roofers out there. I don't think they ever read the pack of shingles.
I once walked into a job for a very particular retired engineer who was very precise about the way he wanted things done. He wanted to install the plasterboard himself and when I entered to fit the kitchen it became quite clear that he'd read the standard 30cm spacing for drywall screws as 30mm. My god there was more screw than gypsum on the wall. Aha we had a good laugh and he took it like a champ and assured me he was definitely more precise on the civil jobs he used to work 🤣 I always wondered how long it took him to do the one wall.
Our previous house was built in 1908 and had lath and horsehair plastered walls. And, as I found out after removing an original set of shelves in what was the morning room, about 1/2" thickness of variously coloured paint on the wall. We also found the old hearth and frame for the copper which stood in the scullery and would be used for washing clothes, dishes, dogs and probably children. 😂
After hanging all the lids, I would get a feeling of relief and my second wind knowing it's just the walls from there on out. Did drywall work with my dad for many years with his company. Great trade to learn.
I actually prefer hanging lids.
Great crew. Some home owners will pay the extra money to glue the drywall. On a spec house, I understand why you didn’t.
If you glue the drywall it will help prevent cracks while the house is settling. Saves you from headaches if it's a spec house under warranty.
My first jobsite was at 1997 summer. Owner especially wanted to have sheets put with nails. It was first and last time when i installed interior sheetrock with nails.
The classic definition of professional vs. amateur is that amateurs trade time to save materials while professionals trade materials to save time.
I remember helping my dad with a remodel where we took down the wood lathe horse hair plaster and replaced it with drywall. problem one was getting the old stuff down, dusty, nasty work. Problem two was the studs were not on consistent centers. Problem three was matching up plaster to drywall. From time to time I've run across a compromise product, button board that was a replacement for both wood and expanded metal lathe to speed up the installation of plaster walls.
Did quite a bit of replacing plaster with drywall. Finally found, that if the ceiling is high enough, would leave the plaster up, screw new 2x4's perpendicular to the ceiling joists and then install the drywall. Cost a little more (2x4's and screws) but saved so much time.
I have never heard that definition, it's incredibly apt.
@@kozemchuk Best version of it I got from Mark Novak, a gun smith, his youtube channel is Anvil. When he first came up on my radar. Anvil was a sub channel at C&Rsenal.
When you see a guy nailing perimeters, he's been hanging for a a long time.....these are kind of hanger that tapers like to follow. Good job fellas 👏
Why is a nail preferred over screws on the perimeter? I’ve only ever done my own remodels and always used screws with good enough results, but I likely just didn’t know any better.
@@locke3141 older guys that have been hanging for many years, learned to nail perimeters. Then screw off the fields. Watching this guy reminds of my dad hanging drywall. There's no right or wrong way. Its all in preference of how you like to hang it.
@@johnc6655 makes sense. Almost like if you see nails, you can guess they have been doing it and can expect a certain level of skill then? I can see the benefit of using both. Looks like you could use nails to get the sheet held in place and come back with screws to finish up. Looks like that’s what these two guys did.
Nails on perimeters pop. Every time.
I hated nailing as those nails are sharp! But I see what you mean and that is a skill. Here, code is glue and screw for ceilings. And that drywall adhesive is a PITA when it doesn't stick to the joists. I also learned about P2H vs P2RS screw bits: Reduced size#2 for drywall screws seats better. Who knew?
Great video. These boys are hard workers, the sheets are heavy and to hang all day would certainly take it out of you. You work with great skill gentlemen, because you make it look so easy.....and it isn't!
I haven't seen someone use nails on sheetrock in 20 years. Takes me back to watching my dad remodel my basement when I was 9. Thanks for the great video!
No bottles of pee inside the walls?? These can't be real sheetrockers
Oh so very true
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They’re saving it for the empty mud buckets. Maybe a deuce as well💩🤣
I've had rockers put all the scraps inside the interior partition empty stud bays. I asked them what the hell they were doing and they said they did it all the time. I told them to remove it all and scrap the job the way they should. Good thing I happened to be on the job that day. Never hired them again!
Reading all of the goofy comments about nail pops kinda makes me laugh. The nail will only pop if you tear the paper when you nail it. If you do then you need to put another nail right beside the one where the paper tore with the second nail head covering half of the first one. I'm sure Darren would tell you this because he knows what he's doing. If you ever had a nail pop then they did it wrong period. Darren could also teach you, stay on the white side, when carrying dry wall keep your arm straight, use your legs to lift, keep your back straight, for lids just roll it over your head and one guy goes high while the other stays lower watch your feet and walk right up the bench. Every person in this series is a journeyman.
Actually wood shrinks and swells with changes in humidity, and nails pop, haven’t seen a house nailed in 30 years.
@@carls6359 This house isn't nailed. Sometimes large people also run up and down the stairs. Nails won't pop unless the paper gets torn. 45 years experience talking here.
that move with the tape measure @13:23 is nice
Their work is amazing to watch. Very skilled guys. Love your narrating, as always, Scott.
Ah the corded utility knives they are annoying so happy I switched to cordless
😂😂 LMAO
Hahaha!
Can we take a moment to realize how strong this kid is. Dry wall is the one trait I couldn’t do
Much thanks kind stranger
These two guys have my respect. I found that hanging drywall to be the hardest of all trades.
It's an absolutely delight to see a pair of professionals working together professionally. I think I want to get myself one of those drywall hammers..
If drywall is the mid-point of a project, and they're releasing videos of the spec house once a week, does that mean this series will wrap up in 2023?
you can rest assured, there aint no rocking necessary to get them sleeping at night! this was the most interesting video i have ever seen on sheet rock hanging...................g
Damn right. Wanna sleep tight folks? Hang some drywall for a day or two....
I learned A LOT just watching these guys in fast-motion video. Thanks!
This is such a prime example of what Scott preaches time in and time out; lay the groundwork for the next guy. Yes, this man is incredible at hanging, and Scott's precise framing and pickup gave him the beautiful canvas to provide the best possible outcome. Look at how square all the butts align? The gaps are perfect. There are none but the slightest deviations. And that is why we do the job 100% from start to finish because every ripple effects the next wave. I love this.
1/8 over measure is called out as "heavy" and under is called out as "light"
Yep.. to the 1/6" in. we used the terms "Strong" and "Minus"
I use fat and skinny
If it's 1/16th over/under an 1/8th it's heavy or light. For example 2 5/8" heavy would be 2 11/16".
I didn't see them glue any sheets. I thought todays standard is to glue and screw. Why do nails pop?
Was wondering the same thing. Never seen someone drywall without glue. The glue does all the work and the screws (or nails) only hold it in place until the glue sets.
To answer your question we just dont use glue ive worked with darren for 9 months and all we’ve done was nail and screw darrens good with the hammer to he doesn’t bust the nails when he puts them in but that is years of experience For that guy
Glue is not necessary imo. Never had a problem nor has any of Canada for that matter.
That's the first time I've seen a drywaller chaulk a line on sheetrock. Usually we use are tape and razor blade to score scribe and a line.
As a retired painter, I have worked behind numerous drywall hanger in my part of the country, Western PA North off Pittsburgh. All Studs and Joists have construction adhesive applied before the panel goes up and screws are all used. Different specs, different codes, different part of the country.
I’m surprised your not gluing the drywall..... your gonna get nail/screw pops
Built and or finished hundreds of homes never had a issues with pops IF it is hung correctly on dry lumber. Once in a while on the final push list the cabinet guy screwing in the cabinets had a pop but his cabinet are also sucked into the wall. We do a 1,3 and 5 year warranty inspection and I think we have had 1 maybe 2 sheetrock call backs( not counting dents and dog chews) in 10 years and hundreds of homes.
It's not a matter of if those nails will back out, it's a matter of when.
@@chriswise1232 I think all these people that are having issues with screws and nails popping on sheetrock need to find better rockers. Or dry in your houses and let them settle for a few weeks before you screw into wet wood.
@@tysleight True. Half the people commenting are flabbergasted someone would have the temerity to actually bring a hammer to a drywall job. The tens of millions of houses that were drywalled after WWII up until the 90s were all hand nailed, first with #4 fruit box nails and later with the cupped head nails. Flat framing is key, as well as correct methods. Scott had a whole video showing him going around prepping the house, straightening this and that. That drywall job will never be a problem.
The issue is often production rockers overdrive the screws, so the paper has torn, but by the time this shows up, the home is out of warranty and any nail pops are up to the homeowner to fix. A friend of mine bought a house in a new development, and after a couple of years living there wanted to paint. In the master bedroom alone we had 36 nail pops to fix. Now, having the screwgun set the screw correctly carries a risk of it not being driven far enough on occasion, but that is easily fixed at time of taping by carrying a screwdriver and giving the screw a tweak if your taping knife hits a screw head.
Guy in the plaid shirt has hung a couple boards in his time and from the ending of the video looks like he's taped and mudded those couple aswell.
I can't think about drywall without thinking about this guy called "Big-un". Some years back I ordered a load of drywall for a basement remodel job and they told me the guy who would deliver it was called "Big-un". Well, so-what, I thought. When "Big-un" showed up and carried 2, 4'x12' sheets of drywall off the truck and down into the basement at a time I was stunned. The man was huge! About 6'4", no neck and arms that hung down almost to his knees. He politely told me to stay out of the way and single handedly carried about 50 sheets, 2 at a time, into the basement bare handed. Big-un indeed.
I would pay to see that guy perform that feat!
It's like that with many delivery guys. I used to install spas and hot tubs, and my partner and I got pretty good at carrying in the tubs, up steps, through doors etc, and the homeowners would always want to "help". But the "helping" would throw off our balance, so we tasked them with calling out what was coming up such as stairs, doorways (I was the one who ended up going backwards nine times out of ten) and having them set down moving blankets where we needed to rest the load.
From what I understand, USG invented sheetrock as a substitute for wood lath, it came in 4" strips (if I remember right). It wasn't until later that they realized they could manufacture entire sheets and cover the walls completely with it, and do away with most of the plastering done in our homes. A hard trade off for them at the time, because they also supplied most of the plaster at the time. Market economics ended up making the decision for them I suppose. I think there is still a place for quality plaster (especially Lime) in our homes, but definitely not for production building. Technology doesn't so much have to 'replace' old techniques, I think the the two (production and old craftsmanship) can be viable options. Photography is a good example of this. Film photography didn't die when digital came around (even though many seemed to want it to) but it found a new life as a craft of its own, that is rewarding in many different ways than digital photography (developing chemistry, printing in darkroom, the physical nature of it, ...). Ok I'm rambling now, keep up the good work.
We see that the main thing here is replies about nails and screws. Been hanging sheetrock for 43 years. Use nails and screws. You don't have to screw everything. Nails do not pop as much as people think. And by the way......screws do the same thing some times. These guys did it right...tack and screw. And always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!use nails in corners and joints. Just like these guys did it.
Why nails for corners and joints?
I'm not a pro, and I mean no disrespect to you, but in 2021 there is absolutely no need for a single nail on a rock job. That's my opinion. The only excuse is being set in your ways and scared of change. Sure not every nail will pop, but some will. I'm so tired of viewing houses only a few years old and seeing at least 1 nail-pop in every room. Multiples usually.
My whole house is 5/8" I told the hangers "I don't care how big the scrap pile was absolutely no joints over or under the windows and doors" the trim carpenters appreciated that, it made their job a lot easier as they didn't have to deal with a butt joint.
You got some good subs Scott. That’s 80% of the battle right there
Our home was built in 1953 and I'd bet that it was the crew's first experience with drywall cause it looks horrible, lol. You can see tape seams,nails,bad cuts around trim. The amazing thing is that no one bothered to go back and fix any of it in the last 60 years before I bought the home. As I remodel each room I'm fixing their errors. Alots changed since this old place was built. The home I had before that was a company house built by the coal companies in West Virginia in 1914 for migrant coal miners. The home had 2 bedrooms and a kitchen. A bathroom and laundry room were added on once outhouses went out of fashion. It was originally heated by a wood burning cookstove in the kitchen and 2 very small fireplaces. One in each of the other rooms. The entire house was built from southern yellow pine with plaster and lathe interior walls. If those walls could talk I bet they'd have some stories.