Renault Scenic E-Tech 92 kWh 1000 km challenge
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"We're charging at only 93kW. Any Leaf owners in here?"
Yes 😢 I did manage to get 46kW peak on my 2018 the other week. I'd kill for 93!
I got 47kW two months ago after buying it :) already sold it because I only figured later about the shitty EV system it has
good call. total junk@@danisantos3255
@@danisantos3255 You should have spent atleast ten minutes on googling before buying a Leaf :)
French cars are mostly fwd. This scenic is a very good looking car with no real drawbacks. Interior is also better than model y to me.
I did think about the scenic but went with an enyaq 85 Coupe instead. Yesterday I plugged in at 31% and it hit 125 kW right away, by the time I got to 40%it was doing 129 kW, the scenic looks like it slows down much quicker.
@@enyaq_gorm Enyak is also a great choice. I will be in the same situation when I will have to replace our Peugeot 5008 HDi.
It seems to be 400A limited for the peak burst. Perhaps when you start charging at higher SoC you will see the 150 kW due to higher pack voltage. Try 20 or 30% for example.
Great summary at the end, Björn! Neither better nor worse than competition. I think it's great that there is another acceptable car out there joining the pool from which to choose from😊
Quite a thirsty fellow though, don't you think?
Countdown in French it was so funny!😂😂😂
nöff nöff nöff 🤣
@@LittleSpot 🤣🤣🤣
you should try changing the soundmode to "club" it makes the sound VERY much better
Great test and decent result. Looking forward to 5008 Long Range
Very good navigation system, that is what every car should have
French reset brings back memories to 2014 when i had a Renault Zoe. They had a leap but they let it slip. Too bad...
It’s infotainment system is really good compared to competition
Nissan has a good Android Automotive one too and Tesla is probably the best one out there.
Your french countdown was actually not too bad, 8/10.
I really like the Scénic btw, it's just Mégane big sister (or brother?) which I own and love (yeah I know charging speeds can be annoying...). Great vid' !
I‘m looking forward for my Scenic in Oktober 24 😊
Getting mine in a few days 😬
Had mine 5 weeks .. brilliant car
@@mdshovel That’s good to hear. What spec and colour did you go for?
@@mdshovelI am also interested. Getting mine in October as well.
In what country did you get it ?
In Romania a Scenic with 150hp costs more than a Model Ys performance. Literally dead on arrival
Brilliant car ... had mine for 5 weeks now in UK - Red Iconic with HK sound etc. As much as I hate to say it, but better than my previous Volvo XC40 Twin EV. in almost every way Obviously not as fast, but more than enough for normal driving ... and much, much more efficient. Looking across their range - Renault have really stepped up. ... I think if you changed your charging strategy for the trip, you may get down to 10hours or less
Our Scenic will come with the long range tire option (the 19" rims), which the WLTP range is based on. Wonder how much difference it will make. I guess wind resistance is more dominant in a test run like this. Thanks for doing these tests!
I did order my Scenic iconic with the free downgrade from the standard 20 inch to 19 inch.
Made this choice for comfort and consumption
@@jeffnapoli1705 Same here. Also, tires will be cheaper.
No choices in UK. You get only what each trim level has a standard spec. But my Ionic has been great so far
Really weird that it only comes with 7kW charger in Norway, it's 22kW as standard here in Sweden.
Maybe due to the fact that Norway has an IT grounding system
The price in Norway + the three phase charger (no 11kWh either if you opt out!) is rather comparable to the price in Sweden (when removing the VAT, but the currency exchange rate varies of course), so I think it is great that you can have the possibility to opt out. Seems like the possibility to delete the three phase charger is available in Norway, Italy and France, but not Sweden, Denmark and Germany. As far as I can remember from surfing the different Renault pages.
22kW in UK too, despite almost noone having 3 phase at home
Same. 22kw in UK
@@austin2planks plenty of 3 phase chargers at supermarkets though.
J'ai adoré le 9 9 9 MILLE !
Thank you Bjørn and greetings from France!
Not bad, but Enyaq and ID.4 were much faster while having a smaller battery.😆 It is a solid car with a nice design, but competition is very good.
Speed isn't everything
@@mdshovel Imo if you make a bigger battery I expect the car to make 1000 km quicker. Otherwise it must be inefficient or slow charging. To sell a bigger battery without any advantage isn't useful economically for manufacturer and customers too because they need to pay more for energy.
@@M-hq9xz the advantage is in the 500km range.
And Model Y rwd was faster than all of them with an even smaller battery
@Twin.motors nope. The latest ID4 did it in 9:45. That's faster than both Model Y SR and LR, although I expect the LR would have been marginally quicker in warm conditions as its more efficient.
FWD is better for regen than RWD. Weight transfer improves traction on regening wheels. I'd say that the same principles apply as for fossils - RWDs suit for "aspiring" drivers and FWDs for people who don't care or want to think about driving. Behaviour is just more predictable and "worst case" failure requires generally less skill to manage with FWD (understeer vs. oversteer, not taking ESP into account).
Bjørn Nyland, awesome video keep it up bro
good job on the French countdown👍
"Schmutz", "Stau". I love your random german words 😀
A really interesting statistic to add to your spreadsheet would be the number of kWh each vehicle used to complete the 1000 km (plus approx cost). So you could compare (for example) the RWD Tesla Model 3 with the Scenic. I realise you can calculate a figure, but by adding a simple formula to your spreadsheet or indeed changing the Wh/km heading) we could see a helpful statistic. With thanks.
Is this a troll message? He lists Wh/km on the page which is EQUAL to kwh/1000km... If you see 210Wh/km there, that means in 1000km 210kWh was used....
@@arda_ Suggest you read the whole message before you comment (header). Not everyone is as smart as you.
Would be nice to indicate the amount of kWh charged in the battery. It is not only consumption, it take account of the battery heating management system, and the losses. Just because consumption doesn't always reflect costs/charges, especialy with Tesla.
@@moa2252 yes, and including a vampire drain on teslas will make the numbers comparable to others on this performance chart.
@@rpgfightin4ever nearly no vampire drain atm! So this does not change anything in terms of consumption
Historically Renault has been a FWD brand. And it has some advantages over RWD especially to prevent skids from the rear if under a powerful acceleration...
I wouldn't agree an EV should only be RWD or AWD
You waste some rear storage space if you go for RWD instead of FWD, if you don't need instant rigorous acceleration, there's no need for RWD, even in terms of turning circle, the Scenic is quite well with 10,9m.
Thanks for the drop Bjorn
13:05 i think the safety score dropped so quick because the car reads the speed limit and mr bjorn was over the limit ;)
A lot of scenic on the road in France, look like it’s a success ! Great French accent ! 😅
I like this 1000 km test, but in real world not many people is concerned for driving 1000 km in a day. And if you do that on hollidays, I think spending 1 hour more, it isn't a problem.
It is not accurate at all. I drive across Europe 2000km all the time, it would be nice if I could reach the results Bjorn gets. But reality is a lot more complex and no way you get smooth calculated sailing when you are trying to get somehwhere
There's still a lot of people that outright dismiss electric vehicles for long range trips. So these tests are certainly a very good documentation that it's actually not that bad. Though it does depend massively on the car, location (country), time of day/week and weather
I used to own a petrol Renault Scenic year ago. Mechanically it was OK and it was spacious but most things electric on the car failed, sometimes multiple times. An electric window would fail every 6 months and cost about £200 to be fixed at the dealers. The drainage from the windscreen would always block and redirect the water into an area where the electric fan lived making it sound like a boat propellor. The dashboard also failed. The idea of buying a purely electric Renault would give me the shivers.
Thanks for the test. I thought this car was better.
On 19 inch wheels consumption at 120km/h is somewhere between 21-24,5 kWh/100km.
Still very high, on Model Y RWD I get 15-17 kWh/100km
@@xXxM4nuxXx indeed, unfortunately Renault sticks to induction motors like a maniac
@@xXxM4nuxXxBut you also don’t get proper door handles like those motorized in Scenic. And also many other like parking sensors, radar, Apple Carplay and so on. But you get an ugly car. 😊
Getting mine in a few days can’t wait. Same Alpine model and the matte grey which is only available in Alpine. Looks way better than the metallic grey imo. Why is it only 7kw over there? It’s 22kw in the UK
Renault is starting to have really good cars. They need to figure out their service centers as electricians there are usually old obsolete men.
"Renault is starting to have really good cars."
It has a bit to go to be able to really compete with a modern car like a Tesla.
Overall it's just average
@@yourcrazybear Actually Renault have much better cars than Tesla .. but I get it : you are another Tesla fan boy ! So keep living in la la land
@@garnray8568 "@yourcrazybear Actually Renault have much better cars than Tesla .."
No. They don't.
"but I get it : you are another Tesla fan boy ! So keep living in la la land"
Personal attacks are never valid arguments.
Very solid!
Really good information. Very useful. You are the king of real world experience, and satisfying catchphrases :-)
Will this come to the US? I would have never considered an ICE Renault, but this EV looks and performs great.
5:45 you made us crazy with that fly 😅😅
Kløfta = Cleavage, never head that one 🤣
They need to increase the efficiency, not battery capacity.
I'll say again here: I'd buy this Renault Scenic over a Model Y.
Better interior quality
Enough interior space for a full family.
Good range for the large battery and good price.
Better technical services than Tesla
Android and Car Play.
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And BUTTONS!!!!!!
Doesn't look like better interior quality to me, but haven't been in the car. Sound system needs to be upgraded, even the Harman Kardon sound upgrade only have 9 speakers...
@@Arpedk A sound system doesnt necissarily get better with more speakers😂. It becomes harder to manage the sound actually. Amp, DAC and speaker quality is most important
Yeah same here. The Model Y is objectively the better car but I personally wouldn’t want to own one and would totally prefer the Scenic.
@@katchaontheflipside So we just ignore that Bjørn called the sound system horrible...
@@Arpedk No? Where did i say that?
Guys absolutely bonkers
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RMT family shows the adapter (how it breaks) and how it works, looks like a good product.
Nøff % at the end 🙂
A bit thirsty but overall a really good result.
I agree that Model Y and for me also Enyaq (even more than ID4) would be better options...
Depends if it s important or not to have a nice car and a not too long car (more usable in city) ; and a good software (vs id4/enyaq even in 5.0) ; and sensors and a lot of garage near your home (vs model y).
@@etienned2354I am not sure having lots of Reno garages close is actually an advantage as these guys can barely figure out 0.9 engines in Dacia and Renaults and now you expect them to fix advanced electronics! Good luck with that 😊
@@filippxx No severe problems with the 0.9 tce. The 1.2 tce was another story.
Built quality, reliability, software and the very big space you get in not very long car, and at least in my opinion the most beautiful car out of the bunch, these are all big advantages over the other brands. But it's a fact that the design also makes it a bit thirsty on the motorway. On the other hand in the city or on roads with 90 km/h speed limit it is still very efficient. Charging is also not the fastest, but also not too bad. So it depends on what you want. But I would certainly go for build quality, reliability and design
@@flo_h_96 at 90 very efficent?! Are you talking about the same car?
Filter Nylands Range-tabel "summer" & "90 km/h" and the Renault Scenic shows up on place 95 of 134. And there are also some 10-year-old vehicles and vans included!
Great video Bjørn, I was wondering if you could do a review of Polestar 4 soon :D
That charging rate would drive me mad I think. I’m doing too much long distance driving to be that patient.
Consumption and charging speed is really bad.
Are you going to test Peugeot E3008 soon?
And 5008 also....
all depends on how you drive these scenics and most certainly renault has better builds then most cars out there in this category vw with there little screens as your dash is ridiculous would take a reno any day of the week over a vw and twice on a sunday
nøff!
Hi. Does anyone know if this car has camping mode and vehicle to load?
After you AC charged did it sort the issue with it not taking a DC charge ?
Yes
As a Leaf owner....🤤
We will have to see how is the efficiency of the 3rd gen Leaf, will be similar in size to this Scenic.
Wonder if the Ariya has a better battery chemistry than the Scenic since it can charge faster than this one and with more power towards the end of SoC, even on a slightly smaller battery.
I don't think so, the scenic has a NMC battery it should definitely be able to charge way faster. Other cars with such a huge NMC battery can easily charge at 200 kW. Vut I think it is on purpose bc slower charging is better for the battery and I think Renault wants to make the batteries last as long as possible. Especially as NMC batteries have a shorter life anyways with a lot less charging cycles until they reach 80% or 75% remaining capacity than a LFP battery
@flo_h_96 I wonder if that's necessary though, since Ariya charges faster with less peak speed, has a bigger buffer and even then, to cycle that NMC battery enough to get to 70% usable due to degradation you'll have to reach like 20 years of normal use of the car, at that point the rest of the car is as old as the battery, not a problem really.
Finally good music again! Good sh*t!
Me like the music 😎
Having the charging port in front right is identical to back left.
You just park front side instead of backside.
No need to park on a strange way :-)
Unless the cable doesn't reach as a bonnet is longer than rear wing...
also .. unless in UK with RHD where the charger port is on the left front wing !!
Not really! Because it is an additional source of danger if you have to reverse out of the parking space into moving traffic - you actually learn this in driving school, which is why it is recommended to park backwards.
14:58 112 is the Common number to ring when in emergency Police or ambulance or fire department or even Customs
Correction, the chargeport is correctly located.
Please update on WTF with charging if any response from Manufacturer.
I think it is for Renault lovers as there are others cars out there that are similar but better.
But maybe Renault offers huge discount when buying...?
Leasing not that cheap in Germany though...
There is very few cars with as good infotainment system as this. It blow VW and many others right out of the water. For most people this is lots more important than charging speed.
What other car offers:
- Good fast Android infotainment
- Wireless Carplay/Android Auto
- Very practical space in front and in the back
- Big boot
- 22kW AC charging
- Good looking inside and out
- huge battery for the price (41-43k € in Germany)
@@arda_vs enyaq/model y, scenic does not have a "big boot", but a small boot
@@arda_it starts at €49k for the big battery tho.
@@etienned2354the boot of the scenic is basically the same size as the one in the Enyaq but the Scenic is overall quite a bit shorter than the Enyaq so the boot size is outstanding in the Scenic especially if take in consideration that it doesn't compromise the leg room fir the rear seats but is class leading there as well
I don't understand what's weird on French cars. I tend to consider German cars as being badly conceived, so those that get used to them don't understand that it can be done differently.
And about not showing the range when your batterie is getting empty, Renault has always done that since the first computers got into their cars back in the beginning of the 80's. So as soon as you got under 5L of fuel, no more range to force you to refuel.
Another excellent video Bjorn. But I think the consumption is one of the worst I've ever seen. 28 kw / 100 km. That is double the Model Y/3. Owners would be paying twice as much for energy and twice as long charging. That should have been mentioned in the video for prospective buyers.
The MY RWD and LR consume respectively 236wh/km and 254wh/km in the same test. Tesla’s consumption is better, but in comparison the Scenic is doing pretty well. Some Dutch Scenic drivers are reporting anything between 170wh and 220wh per km.
@@djnosafety That's impossible. I've owned 3 Tesla's over 6 years, I have 2 Tesla's right now, a 2023 MYP and a 2021 M3SR+ LFP. Collectively I've driven 120k kms. In slow driving I average 11-13 kwh / 100 km. I just did 2 x 850 kms driving at 120 kph on average with 4 SC charges and I averaged 14 kwh / 100 km. I did a 500 km trip from Switzerland to Germany on the Autobahn driving 150-190 kph and still the car had a consumption of just 16 kwh / 100 km. Speed is the #1 factor that consumes energy. So 28 kwh / 100 km is horrible.
@@SwissSchweiz I’m just referring to Bjørn’s spreadsheet at the end. So, comparing apples to apples, and using the data from that spreadsheet, the Scenic’s consumption is not that bad in comparison. Just take a look at the other competitors in that spreadsheet as well.
@@SwissSchweiz Simply impossible going Autobahn speeds for that long and averaging 16kWh. Either your car is underreporting, you were driving down a hill for 100s of kilometers, there were incredibly strong winds pushing you or you are not taking the average speed into account.
TB’s own spreadsheet proves you wrong.
@@arda_ Firstly, I said that it was a road trip, I wasn't doing full autobahn speeds all the time. It was a 600 km trip, 2/3rds through Germany, keep in mind that there is a lot of construction on the autobahns right now, so it includes a lot of slow downs and then I drove part way through Austria and Switzerland. On that trip, yes I absolutely did around 16 kwh / 100 kms. I do a lot of road trips in my M3SR+LFP, and on real world road trips above 200 km's, I always get 10-16 kwh consumption. Even my MYP on Swiss 120 kph highways I'm getting 15-18 kwh consumption. I've even rented other Tesla's in USA and Canada and have never seen consumption on any Tesla above 20 kwh. Perhaps on a very very cold highway drive it can happen, but I've never seen it after 6 years and 3 Tesla's.
Ton français n'est pas trop mauvais @TeslaBjorn
For those who wonder why it's FWD - it's comes down to packaging, therefore the car has quite some space in the back, not being used for a motor+inverter. Also FWD makes driving a little safer, also underlined by the weight distribution slightly to the front.
I’d disagree this car is average. Everything taken into account (and it’s half the price to lease in the UK compared to the Y LR and half the price to insure), the range (yes it drops off at 120, but keep it to 100 on motorways, but range is still huge), build quality, styling and importantly the excellent Google software, I’m not surprised many reviewers are saying it’s one of the best EVs you can buy and a Tesla beater.
must be a good vehicle whens its won the car of 2024
It's definitively not a Tesla beater.
@@yourcrazybear as a 6 year Tesla owner, S and 3: I dunno it’s close, especially for the UK price difference on lease.
consuption is already at 90 way too hight!
Filter Nylands Range-tabel "summer" & "90 km/h" and the Renault Scenic shows up on place 95 of 134. And there are also some 10-year-old vehicles and vans included!
@@yourcrazybear It's a Tesla killer, if only for the price and design.
That problem at the end is very concern... you should go more deep.
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What is the goal of the 1000 km Challenges?
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Always Be Counting Down En Français 😀
Too many steering column stalks and the gear shifter looks like it might snap off easily.
Right?
It will definitely not snap of. This is still the car with the best built quality compared to its rivals
Personally, I find not worth considering a 50k EV in 2024, that has less than 150kW peak charging, 40min 10-80%, only 7.4kW AC, can't use A/C while charging, lame performance, etc.
Peak charging isn't everything, there are cars with less peak charging than this Scenic and gets more kWh into the battery in less time.
AC is always available. It doesn't hurt the charging speed.
@@Cosmycal that's why I took care in specifying 10-80% charging. Still, high peak charging can be useful in case of short charging stops.
@@moa2252 Bjorn the wiseman claims otherwise
@@EPicurux I have a scenic, and AC is available while charging with no effect on charging speed. Bjorn is not right if he says so (did not watch the video yet.. will do!)
I hate rear drive wheels. I prefer FWD or AWD, that for me much beter only FWD.
I dont understand how a new 2024 ev can't at least match the efficiency of an older EV like the Model Y. Decent time but disappointing for the massive price tag they're asking
Yes, compared to all the other cars on Nyland's list, the Renault doesn't fare well. The question that still remains is how consumption will change in winter. Will it get even worse?
How do it come, that You use so much German Words?
Renault are so far behind they need a telescope to even see Tesla.
Not really, they sold more than 2,2 million cars in 2023. With a greater profit than Tesla. Tesla sales I think can only drop in the future. The model is old, there are many other options. The hype will slowly fade. But maybe I’m wrong.
Renault has absolutely nothing to envy from Tesla. Renault's financial figures are much better than Tesla's. And Renault makes very beautiful cars compared to Tesla, which has stuck with the same ugly and outdated design for 15 years.
@@TT-wq3uf did you watch the video?
@razvanlex Tesla makes the most margin per ev of any volume manufacturer. Renault FSD, Renault Bot aren't progressing all that well either. Did you watch the video and how old their tech looks, how slow the charging speed?
@@mikee6114 But you realise it's not all about the charging speed. Not all people use cars the same way.
Its French not surprised the quality is suspect.
Hahaha, the built quality and reliability of this is better than of all the competitors.
It could have been worse, it could have been american! 😂
Yes, suspectly good in comparison with many other EV’s.
There is already a update on some scenics to see the dc speed. It will come soon 🤞
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