Programming Metal Drums in Reaper?
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
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I'm Glenn Fricker, engineer here at Spectre Sound Studios. I love making records, and after doing it for sixteen years, I want to pass on what I've learned. On my channel you can find tutorials on how to record guitar, bass, real drums and vocals. There's reviews and demos of tube amps, amp sims, drums, mics, preamps, outboard gear, Electric Guitar, Bass Guitar, and plugin effects.
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Half of us are "Still Evaluating" Reaper
Lol, for 1263 days
Having paid Reaper, I feel like jesus haha
@@lettsplay8124 Haha! Only 100 or so more days than me. Thing is I actually bought it, but I lost the key due to an inconvenient PC restart... never gonna get that $60 back now
@Lars Norberg not if you never update! MUAHHAHAHAH
@@felixstuemke4164 same but idk how to use it
For anyone wondering. The reaper action he uses to create the double bass is called "Split notes on grid"
That's the one !
And thank you for that little nugget.
Yes!! Always great when Glenn and Scott collaborate! Two of the best!
Nice seeing other channels I sub to in the comments, makes me feel like I'm learning from the right guys❤
@@BruceKnouseMusic that's great to hear!
Exactly what I needed today, being drum illiterate but with albums worth of Black Metal riffs.
Awesome! That was my goal: take all the experience of my drum playing days and lay it out so people could learn how to approach drumming like a real drummer !
Same. For a long time, I drums were a completely different world for me. In my band, I was the primary songwriter. I played bass and did lead vocals, but I wrote everything except the solos (the lead guitarist wrote that himself) and the drummer (who wrote her own drum parts.) For anything that I wanted, it wasn't a problem, I could normalyl describe it to her. But if I couldn't, I'd sit behind her kit and tried to figure it out while we looked at each other, me thinking "I know nothing about drums!" and her looking at me like "Why do you know nothing about drums?"
Think like a drummer: Unga bunga weed, beer
Just beer for me xD
😂
Drums are often the hardest instrument in a metal band, and metal drummers (good ones) have the strongest work ethic. Meshuggah wouldn't exist without Thomas Haake. The attack of the instrument is super unforgiving compared to other instruments. Practicing drum rudiments for hours alone is not fun, it's more like being in the military or Olympic athlete, than anything remotely "fun" or musical (Ex drummer, current guitarist here)
After years of not being present whilst learning, I come round and there is an abundance of absolute Gold, now I'm getting back to it for real! So grateful to you Scott and Glen. This is Awesomeness Absolute! Thank you, very much appreciated from this side of the pond!
Gleennnnnnnnn getting into Drum Samples, now Drum programming, soon you'll start to play bass man ! Just kidding, Scott is great ! always very helpful info. Great producer, Dark Funeral shirt!
Thanks man! \m/
There are already AI bass programs for guitarists.
Olha quem está por aqui 💖🔥🤘😎🤘
@@senhorlampada Opaa aqui eu bato cartão ! Hahahahahhaa...
A Big bravo to Glenn for spreading the knowledge out...and a big bravo to Scott for his great courses! I happen to know Scott and i have to say that he is definitely a great teacher...having a very deep knowledge on everything he says!
Thank you, man! One day would love to see Stigmatized Drums as a standalone plugin ... that'd be so cool!
When Glen gets so excited about the topic that he constantly talks over his guest... 🤣
just what I was asking for, thank you Glenn
Wonderful!!!! This is awesome, thanks Scott and Glenn!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is exactly what I was looking for today on youtube! Kinda metal magic
It’s also a good tool to write what you have in your head before passing on to a session drummer (or your bands drummer) it makes the process so much quicker and less pointing and grunting to get your views across.
@Soy Orbison it’s a tool not a performance.
Scott's info is always the best and always a go to for recording metal. And I haven't even bought anything from him yet
lol Glenn doing a video on programmed drums
That’s because most of this audience is using programmed drums.
@@SpectreSoundStudios yeah i completely understand, it was more of a meme than an actual criticism, it seems like a great course
Content has been spot on lately!
Nice knowledge to learn more for me, thanks glenn
This guy... I bought his guitar course a while back when I bought an Axe Fx. It was critical in helping me find the sound I heard in my head. He also packs a ton of information in his courses. Really priceless if your'e recording music
Wow man, thank you very much for the kind words, I honestly don't even know what to say!
Good stuff!
picked up this course, thanks for the heads up Glenn.
Thanks man, please let me know what you think of it and don't forget to join the Discord!
Reaper crew.....Assemble!🤘
I've never drummed in my life but I have seen loads of youtube drum tutorials just to learn how to program them more effectively. :)
I really liked Scott Elliot previously, but now I know he's a drummer guitarist(like me), he's achieved AWESOME status!!!!! Keep rockin' , Dude!!!!! \m/
Haha thanks man!!
I program in guitar pro 5 because it's so fucking fast when you learn they key commands (faster than gp6 and gp7) then I put them into reaper and go from there
how do you do it?
@@kumpesasanda9869 write your drums in as normal, then export to midi then drop that file into reaper and use your desired drum program like superior or whatever. When I get the drums right I bounce them to a wav and put that on a track to save some ram.
I also use a lot of synth tracks so this helps to write synth, piano or anything really even midi bass or guitar should you desire it
Real Drummers > Programmed Drums all day
But I definitely have a hell of a lot of fun programming drums, not gonna lie about it.
Cool to see you covering this stuff, Glen.
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I find programmed drums good for writing and having an idea to pass to my drummer to properly record, I’m not great at articulating my ideas most of the time not playing drums myself so it is invaluable tool for me to use.
I'd take real drums over programmed drums any day of the week. It's just that I can't find anyone to play them. lol
@@andreasatlars4281 Well, thats really the biggest reason any of us go for programmed drums, isn't it?
There simply aren't enough drummers to go around.
And even if you find one willing to work with you, there's no guarantee they'll be interested (or skilled enough) to play the genre of music you wanna play.
There are wwwwaaaaaaaaay more guitarists/bassists/vocalists than there are drummers.
And then like the other guy above you said, EVEN IF there were enough drummers, EVEN IF they were all top of the line, perfect timing in any genre, not everybody has the equipment and know-how to adequately record a drum kit.
Anyone can plug a guitar into an audio interface and go to town, lol.
@@EndlessMeece I hear you. I'm feeling a bit burned out about being in a band in general atm.
@@andreasatlars4281 Burned out from being in one, or burned out from trying to form one?
Ok, that demonstration sold me on the course
Cheers man, hope to see you in the Discord ! :)
Just paid for Reaper and committed to finally learning a DAW and sticking with it!
A year later I followed the link and it's gone. Any way to find the tutorial nowadays?
Does anyone know where Scott's courses can be found now? He's not on Pro Mix Academy.
Where has the course gone? The link is dead
Glenn, how would you approach mixing programmed drums? Should you create different midi tracks for kicks, snare, cymbal, etc. so you can process each sound differently?
Where did the course go?
Dumb question, how do you load your samples and what plugin was used?
Sounds like this course would be perfect for me to learn some stuff that I know nothing about... oh look, I seem to have bought it :)
Wow man, thank you!
Having been a drummer myself, I always take into consideration the limitations of a drummer and the dynamics they play. Especially in Metal, it's always about what the drummer ISN'T playing that matters most.
Great stuff!!! Off subject next time you review a bad microphone can chef Glenn reveal his secret family recipe for barbecued microphone!?!?!🎸🔊🤯
I have Studio One, would the course apply?
Hey Glen, I wonder what you think the best format to listen to music is? Like do you prefer vinyl CDs or do you prefer RUclips etc. I notice more dimensions to Tool songs on certain formats. On cassette tapes, there is just a right and a left but on Amazon music, it sounds like there is a front right front left Ext. There is a drum roll in the song “Third Eye” that the sound spirals around you. On some format this drum roll is just panned left then right. Tool does a lot of cool things with there music. You have to have the correct format along with the correct speaker setup to hear it. Like Dolby 5.1. Or 7.1
So how did u select every other note that fast.
Is this course still available?
i really want to take advantage of this but i have no idea how to set up the midi take so that it simply samples the drums. I would really like a tutorial on how to set this thing up
All I learned from this video is that you have to be a drummer to program drums. Let's use midi grooves further guys. I am a programmer, and before starting to work in a new development environment for me, I print out the keyboard shortcuts and put this sheet in front of me ... The same is with the DAW, study the documentation, print the hotkeys and work.
We are gonna do it, we might as well do it right. Gonna try another Reaper function, use ReaTune to send notes to midi,based off of the bass, ya know single note. Yeah I know that the bass will likely need to be redone, especially if the song is going to be proggy. My thinking is actual drum hits per note. It does require thinking more compositionally beyond what the riffs are and likely a bit of a rhythm challenge, why you ask? 4 independent limbs.
This is pretty much how I figured out EZ Drummer too. Just think how would you play something, don't go crazy, four arms drummer crap, be less precise. In the end, you will pull it through effects, it will sound great!
Scott and Glenn in the same video = instant click
haha cheers man :)
Nice shirt Scott! ;)
Thank you much! :D
Bit late coming to this, but what happened to the course?
Is there actually a way to send specific notes to a different VSTi? Cubase drum maps work like that - you can have a "main" VSTi and then send Hihat notes to a different VSTi, allowing you to use multiple libs and VSTi with a single drum map that way.
So uh.. how about changing that velocity?
All drummer jokes aside, being able to think like a drummer as a guitarist is quite the valuable tool. The drumming videos I watch have far more influence on my playing than any of the guitar playthroughs I watch. Then again, I'm kinda a freak of nature, so take that as you will... lol I'm probably the only person you'll ever hear talk about practicing paradiddles on a guitar lol. As for the usefulness of such a thing... The Jury's still out on that one...
That could be quite interesting , especially if you alternate between two different strings
@@ChernobylAudio666 It can be done in an endless multitude of ways. I've yet to find the bottom of that particular rabbit-hole. It's great for legato runs, chunky stuff, sweeps, etc. . Adding extra rhythmic inflexions can spice up pretty much anything.
One of the most useful song-writing tools I've found is the use of off-kilter, Konnakol-like rhythms that sum up to multiples of 4 when placed in a sequence (a-la Meshuggah). Frankly, learning Konnakol (the timing system used in Indian music) is the most valuable musical skill I've ever acquired.
If you've never heard what Konnakol can sound like in the context of Western music, you should check out Freak Kitchen (Mattias Eklundh). It's a treat for the ears. At worst, you'll never look at music the same way again lol.
yes this what I needed! I have been struggling with my homerecordings. Nothing sucks more like then not being able to add great sounding drums to some nice composition you have made. In my case I always record all the guitars and bass. Drums and vocals are my weakness. I just ordered the course and I am looking forward! Question: I have Reaper ad Superior Drummer 3. Even though I have SD3 I still want to know how to program drums that fit and sound awesome with the riffs I wrote on guitar. I wonder if Scott has tips on using SD3 for guitarist/composers? I have watched a lot of other videos on youtube but none seem that specific. Thanks!!!!
I usually start by going through the midi loops and finding something that kinda fits then change it to match perfectly. It’s more realistic since those midi loops were played by a real drummer and have slight timing variations
is he telling us which drum program he's using? have I missed something or we have to pay to find out?
If you can't beat them, join them! 😅
I mean, programmed drums are a huge opportunity for musicians who don't have the room and /or money for a drum set, or even the time/mood to learn drums. So there's really nothing to "beat", it's great that they even exist. Real drums with a bit of sampling are always better for metal, of course.
@@ptr_does_music7042 cool story bro I never said anything about that though
@@ptr_does_music7042 laughs in garageband
There's an easy way to draw multiple notes fast in Reaper. Set the grid to the note division that you want (I always have a floating toolbar with all of the note divisions clickable). Then, set a key on your keyboard to draw notes under the mouse cursor (I forget the action, just search for it). Ding ding, draw notes by dragging your mouse and holding down the key (I use "z" in the midi editor window) as needed. Your welcome.
Nice tip!!
I would love to be able to record live drums, but I just don't have the space (or drums). I might need to take this course.
Aside from the technical aspect, this'll help you understand us weird-ass drummers :D
I actually turn off my snap to grid too, little inaccuracies make it sound less machinated than even the "humanize" function for some reason. Here's a reference (100% freeware mix as well, except guitars recorded through my Kemper) ruclips.net/video/apdOD50AgIQ/видео.html
Glenn, i play bass, drums and the keyboard but idk how yo play guitar, i wanna learn how to play it but in the meanwhile I'm planning on programming guitars, just the di sound and then add some amp emulator, I guess that it would sound pretty close to recording a real guitar, take the di and adding the same Amp emulator, what do you think?
Will work just fine, get the Solemn Tones Odin II (that's what I use). Great for rhythms and leads
2 things i noticed help me program drums a bit better, first take notice of where the drum pieces are and that humans are not tentacles monsters. second, make a blast beat track saturated AF and annoy your self to make sure you don't "WANT" blast beats everywhere this will save all your other tracks from being saturated. (the cure for blast beats is too many for 7 minutes strait!)
Roland SC-1 Sound Canvas !! woohoo
and before that the MT-32 !!!
we were using an MC-500 MK II Live and an Apple II SE in the studio
Life in the "beforetimes" :D
GLENNNNNN. I would love to see what you could add to drum programming. I think that because your endgame is real drums, you would present a very unique take on the whole approach.
Seems like as good a place to ask as any- I'm currently in the middle of switching over from ProTools (i've been using version 8 for like ten years lmao) to Reaper, anybody know of a good guide for ex-PT users? Maybe also a good set of starter plugins etc to replace all the stuff PT had built in.
I was trained on protools back in the day like 20 years ago in audio school and used protools le 10 years ago for hobie recording at home but now that LE is not supported any more on windows 10 am now torn between leasing the protools at $30/month now or trying Reaper. Good luck buddy.
Anyone else have the problem that some of the parts are not downloadable? SendOwl seems to have no way to contact them about this issue :/
Would shoot an email to support@promixacademy.com and ask!
@@ChernobylAudio666 this worked really fast, thanks for the support and I'm hyped watching the full course
@@s.m1242 Great man, hope to see you in the Discord! (should have gotten a link for that when you purchased)
Too bad this course doesn´t seem to be available anymore ;(
Scott is a killer
No, you killer man!
Hahh. 27 years drumming here and picked up guitar in 2018. I miss drums. But I suck at the programming as I have no patience to learn the software...Id rather get a controller and beat them out. I need to get a minimum a little ekit. Id have an acoustic if I hadn't had to worry about sound or eviction since 07. Which was the last time I touched a kit. Sadly. I can feel the rust in my soul. But guitar has given me the softer side of music more emotional. So that is what I've been doing on my channel. Almost 3 years playing guitar. All ambient and slow bluesy.
Never played double bass. Never. I liked my single kick. It was years of mastering my own technique. Nicko M helped in 89. Hahah Paiste Clinic in SA Texas....
Scott is cool
thank you!
I make things super easy for myself by having my drummer play everything on Roland drums. Then I just quantize/correct mistakes
Hey Glenn, love the Robotech shirt!
What I need is EZ singer. When’s that coming out?
lmao
That's where I just call my friend Dom to help me :D
Download my new app, Simply Vocals today!
Today we got learnt
haha, legit lol from me on that one
@@ChernobylAudio666 Just went to your channel...... My yard will not be getting done today.
@@scotthayes83 The yard will always be there tomorrow :D
my guy has the same dark funeral shirt that i bought a while back
I'm sure that this is the first time anyone on this channel has ever referred to the Rosanna Shuffle.
Perhaps... but it's worth knowing how to play and program :D
ooh. I LIKED this....and I'M A DRUMMER!
Cheers!!
+10 pts for that Mospeada shirt
Glenn! I have a potentially interesting question. I am a guitarist first, but I have been playing drums almost as long. I currently program drums, as I don't own an acoustic kit, but I do own a very old and kinda shitty E Kit. What would you recommend as far as recording/programming drums? Is there a benefit to recording them on my crap ass ekit? Thanks in advance!
It's all about workflow and efficiency. If you can get your ekit setup to work with your computer, programs, etc, and it works consistently all the time and you can play the beats at a decent accuracy easily and quickly, the ekit would probably be the way to go. If you find yourself always struggling to get the ekit to work, or it doesn't seem to gel well with the program, etc., then doing it the way I show in Reaper might be the better way to go :)
@@ChernobylAudio666 Yooooo! Thanks for the reply! See, I write drums that are *slightly* above my skill range sometimes, so I can see the appeal of doing some on my kit and filling in the gaps.
Also, I like that you mention that non drummers program shit drums because they understand how the human body interacts with a kit. Very excellent.
@@lettsplay8124 There's about 3-4 hours of information about drums, drumming, and how drummers play... really tried to empty my brain of all my drumming days! :D
Check to see if you can record the ekit as midi and then you can use sample packs, idk about your kit but the default sounds on mine suck ass
@@syllphrena same
Sorry for stoopid question but is this be applicable in Pro Tools or only Reaper
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Yes
The specific technological changes (shortcuts, etc) are specific to Reaper, however everything that I talk about (thinking like a drummer, learning the beats, programming the beats, etc) can be done in any DAW with any drum software.
@@ChernobylAudio666 Thanks Scott, huge fan, got your Guitar Masterclass. This is exactly what I need, Thanks for the prompt reply, I know what I'll be asking for Father's Day \m/
@@darraghcannon6689 Cheers man, thank you for the kind words and support!
So far, real drums with microphones is sounding the best. I haven't tried all the plugins yet, but from what I am hearing with my ears, real drums just sound better to my ears.
First you’re selling drum samples and now you’re doing tutorials on programming drums? Who are you and what did you do to Glenn Fricker?
Seriously though, as someone who lives in a one bedroom apartment with no way to record actual drums, I appreciate tutorials like this. Would I like to be able to record actual drums? Sure. I think a lot of people who watch the show are in a similar boat to me, where we’d like use real drums, but we just don’t have the option to do so. Thank you for understanding, Glenn.
I got Glenn down in the basement... this new guy, though, he's not bad!
Cats and dogs, living together... mass hysteria!
Jamstix. In every DAW.
Been using cakewalk because its FREE.... maybe I should learn Reaper
Reaper is also *free* you can purchase the license for $60 though if you want to support the developers.
So glad I don't feel like a complete tool. When he said 127 I knew he was talking about the hit velocity, and then the drum demo comes on and I'm thinking...'Hey that's like Rosanna' lol. If you're not a drummer, trying to make it realistic with realistic beats and feel is the hard part.
I recently asked my old drummer how he made our rendition of Carol of the bells sound almost real using the stock Cubase vst 5 drum machine, other than using multiple instances and tracks for rolls. He said one word. Velocities.
@@ChernobylAudio666 absolutely. I wish he hadn't moved away. We're still friends. Anyway, we finally got our together to mic up his kit for a Beatles tribute album and he warmed up by playing the song I mentioned, for the first time, as if he'd been practicing it all his life. There's a joke between us. When we were real young I said, "I'll stick to the easy shit like lead guitar." he thought I was kidding. I was dead serious.
I have Studio ONE, but my R2D2 could always use more knowledge....faaaaak these are always great
can you randommize the velocity?
Nope, not possible.... :D
@@ChernobylAudio666 hahahahah
Gotta do each note individually
@@Nicksperiments was a joke
Watch this course, even if you a drummer who kows how to program drums properly. It'll teach some neat tricks about Reaper.
But anyway, if you play only one instrument, learn the others, too. It will make you a better musician. Understanding how other instruments work and what their role will make you better song writer. You'll learn to do better arrangements. And great arrangement can save A LOT of time in the mixing. Not to mention more interesting music.
Couldn't have said it better myself dude, 110%
Whats flam?
A sticking rudiment where the first note is slightly lower in volume than the second. I talk about it in MDPM :)
STTTICKK MAKKE NOISE
32nd
Fodas.
Finalmente, caralho.
hardest thing for me to do is programming drums and making them sound human...really liked them shortcuts in Reaper...I still have Reaper 5.99999...maybe I should upgrade
I speak in detail about how to do that in the course... I think that video turned out being nearly 2 hours in itself... literally everything I know and could think of. You should be fine in Reaper 5.9, by the way. I mean I still use the Reaper 5.0 Nitpicky Edition theme!
Anyone who loves music loves a well recorded and well played drum kit. But imagine a world where you have to depend entirely on access to a drummer in order to create music at all. Especially in a demanding genre like extreme metal, where drummers are high in demand and skill is not as common as we'd like it to be. Or, sometimes your drummer moves to Eastern Europe and never comes back. The current possibilities to make music on your own and use it to find a drummer later have never been more promising. And this course is how you learn to not suck at it.
I feel like that "moves to Eastern Europe and never comes back" was meant for somebody I know...
@@ChernobylAudio666 maybe it was meant for someone we know, but like has he done the vocals yet so we can hear the rest of that epic song you have been mixing?
@@scallionboy8679 Yes, back in April. Then I did the vox for the song included in Scott's drum programming course. So you should definitely check that out too. 😂😁🤘🏻
@@EmperorWelkin 😆 excellent. I look forward to both. Nice work dom. That's a great tune. Was never able to stream it live though but it sure helped me through some long paperwork jobs.
@@scallionboy8679 Thanks, I'm excited to see it come together. I was out of the game for tool long. Scott pulled me back in like the mafia. Hope to get back in serious practice and make more music with Scott. He's been a beast from the start.
Cool, I loath programming drums, so time consuming, ha ha. Plus I'm not a drummer so all my shit sounds like 80s rock with double kicks. Anything to speed up the process and make them sound more organic would be huge. $100 isnt too bad, will likely get this one as I'm making the switch from protools to Reaper.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Or you grow old enough to mature, see different sides of the argument, and change your mind. Changing your mind was easy to do before the internet, but now people hold you accountable to thinks you said 10 years ago in a video. Funny how that works.
Beep Boop Bop Boop
lol "Stick make noise"
Just admit it Glenn, programmed drums are kinda cool. Especially if you don't have the money for a kit or recording equipment.
He knows that and it's cool of him to have me on the channel, I appreciated it. :)
@@ChernobylAudio666 Didn't expect you to respond to my comment, love ur vids and tutorials! :D
mixcraft is great for programing drums
Mixcraft has a pretty good piano roll for sure
@@ChernobylAudio666 yeah I like that the humanize function has the ability to offset the timing and randomize the velocities I still haven’t figure out how in cubase yet to offset the timings
Just use an MPC its tactile
really cool video but i wish u interrupted him less
8:18 "How the fuck are you doing that?" lol
Magic! xD
@@ChernobylAudio666 HAHAHAHA!!! Word.