@@douglasb5046 I guess it's what we were taught in flight school, so we stick with it... I wouldn't know whether these digital logbooks are certified in the same way as for example a jeppesen log for IFR and MEP commercial entries (EU.FCL.050)
Oh bless you, you thought the spotters were out for the Belugas! They were hoping the blasted things would get out of the way so they could watch the Flying Reporter depart.
That’s a great gadget. Fortunately the airliner I fly has an E tech log which ads it all up which is a major blessing on a 13 hr flight going from -8 UTC to plus 8 !
Jon, this is obviously a very accurate system, but you will still have to enter figures in your aircraft paper logbooks and personal logbook and decide how to round up or round down the times unless you want to write the seconds in. For all the group aircraft I have been involved in, we have always charged based on Tacho hours. The reason being that the Tacho in the rev counter is normally set at a fixed rpm of for 1.00 Tacho hour for a constant rpm of for example 2,400. Thus whilst taxiing and runup it clocks up slower, thus encouraging people not to rush checks. Also if you fly the aircraft at 2250 rpm it will clock slightly less than 1.00 and at 2550 rpm at slightly more than 1.00. Thus those that fly the engine at higher revs and use more fuel pay more. Most aircraft engines operate between 2200 and 2600 in cruise but the fuel consumption varies quite a lot. The rev counter is marked on the back the Tacho giving Rev setting. Of course a non turbo engine & C/S prop is another story. In our old Comanche, for economical flights we did fly slightly over square at 55% power which was approved in the manual. This still gave 140kts, but to really motor we flew at 75% to get 165kts+.
FYI, the system allows you to print out tech log compatible pages, that stick right into your techlogs, they're especially formatted. They round up and down as required and your hours for aircraft, engine and prop are automatically populated in the cloud.
Very interesting system. It's nearly the same as Sky Demon is doing with the automatic logbook. Offblock, start & landing time and on block. Only the "start engine" must be set manually. But for owners, the magic box is very interesting. Thanks for the video! Happy landings and greetings from Munich 🇩🇪
I too struggled with doing the hours/mins math right after a flight. My instructor showed me if I drank a glass of water and rehydrated between wheels down and pens up, I was way faster and more accurate. I soon started hydrating during the flight as I obviously was sub-optimal in the air. The school didn't like water in the cockpit, but the risk of a spill vs the risk of my shrunken brain missing something fatal seemed an interesting call.
If/when you upgrade to a glass panel like the Garmin G3X all of these features and more are built in, free and easily downloaded and stored. The data is all kept on a SD Card that pops in the front of the unit. For a flying club the upload to the cloud would be very handy for all the reasons pointed out.
I find reading details of the device, they created a cash cow, then designed a costly box around it. Totally bypassing the fact every device known has Bluetooth, and could simply create a file on your device, the second you turn the key, just like it connects to your vehicle. Relying on tower data to wifi to access cloud base is fine for backup, just as your device does right now, Android/iPhone. But cloud base entity is not bulletproof. Then of course, software updates are required, and we know how this can cripple data. Seems outdated already, where if data was saved to your phone in RealTime, it should also share this data to the company/owner of aircraft at the same time to their phone or device used, where cloud base is not the direct source required to get it. Then, your device within range of Laser printer automatically prints out current status. No mentions what type of document was created, as in PDF, or some strange unknown app not workable on device. Somewhat strange that this was not demonstrated,, printed out, vs attention given to active tower traffic outbound, and changing oil. Just know, if oil was not dropped within 20 minutes fully heated, you did more damage than good changing it ice cold, giving garbage time to settle out and stay behind glued in. Vs hot, till last drop, adding fresh oil to push out trash. Doing oil pan inspections, every oil pan when changes were done by owners, has solid Grey cheese two inches deep, impossible to remove cold, but running engine re-melted blended it in with new oil, and repeated over & over till one day, connecting rod can't take a joke. Also affecting wear of oil pump. Thought some might value that bit of data. Avoiding the dreaded cornfield approach tactic. Many times the area I get to on weekends, there's no cell tower or wifi within reach unless I drive 20 miles getting to a roadside village. Very few businesses have public wifi, so a Pub or Hotel might be the only choice for chow & wifi. I see note where the glass cockpit provides it all. Now that was smart tech right up front. But for a device purposely made to bleed funds feeding it endlessly, and has full intent to not use common sense technology might also not be fully American made, or their owners. Which I didn't see revealed who mfg it. Hopefully Not China. I wouldn't touch it period. Cheers, and advantage at this age, just looking out the window, eliminates cheap, keep off the grass signs.
I read a disparaging comment about the creator of the video as to how the creator chose to include additional content at the beginning. I found the addition to be unique and interesting. I believe the creator spent an appropriate amount of time on topic and explained the new equipment very well.
That may have been an error and your British card will be taken away. You pronounced Beluga without changing the A to and R music to my yanky ears. LOL. Great video, thank you for sharing. Neat little device.
Very interesting and informative video once again Jon, I don't have my PPL quite yet but its at the top of my bucket list once life allows me to obtain it. I deal with cloud hosted data systems as part of my job so this was particularly interesting to me, seems like a great solution for saving time and any stress involved in manually recording things. Really enjoyable watch :)
The unit shown in the video is configured for Fixed Wing aircraft, and uses GPS derived speed to determine the stages of flight. There is also a helicopter version which also utilises atmospheric pressure to determine lift-off into the hover (collective raised), and touch down (collective lowered)
You have the same function in Garmin G3X, as mentioned before in comments, but that also provides flight data to your iPad with Garmin Pilot, but also every second, several engine data during the whole flight and load it up to a cloud.
Thanks. Yes, a few people have pointed this out, and I'm looking at this for my aircraft. Can you print out the logs from the G3X directly into your aircraft logbook with flight times all calculated for the engine, prop and airframe, or does that bit have to still be done manually.
Here in Australia all the aircraft logbooks stay with maintenance organisation the has one simple document called a maintenance release which remains with the aircraft and times are recorded as hours and the decimal point of an hour.
Not quite true, MR has to be with the aircraft during flight. Maintenance logs are often left with the LAME for simplicity, some owners like to keep them though.
The older pa28s seem to hold up so much better. Im currently on an integrated program and am out in america, and we fly archer txs, and I'd previously been working towards a ppl in the uk, mostly on the C150/2, but a bit in warriors and tomahawks. Alternator failures seem to be quite a common thing, and the standby G5s and Aspen 1000s. Still feels like cheating having a g1000 though in an sep, especially the ones with autopilot. The oldest ones in the fleet are around 3,000 hours, but they just don't quite seem to be holding up as well as the 70s and 80s built ones found in pretty much every UK school. I'm loving learning to use the modern avionics though
I can see this perhaps being useful for schools etc but as a private owner/pilot Skydemon does all of this for no extra charge and you don't have to transfer anything into your pilots log book, only the aircraft engine/flight data as you would here too.
Cloudbase is great, the flying school I trained at (North Weald Flight Training) have it on their planes and it works so well. I've just joined a flying group now though and it's back to manual tech logs!
I do wish they continued using the "Super Guppy" name, it suited the airframe perfectly. I can also remember the one at Bruntingthorpe. I was there testing the day after some very high winds and their resident guppy had squashed an MGF!
Up to about 15 years ago airline pilots were filling in the flight times and manually adding them in the aircraft TechLog ... with, of course the consequent errors. The airline I fly for had to employ a full time person to correct all those ham-fisted pilot errors. Then the airline convinced the CAA that their electronic collection was more accurate - we still record flight times, but no longer add them up in a running total - that's all done behind the scenes electronically.
Great video. A nice insight into private aircraft ownership. Interesting run time gadget but not sure about that antenna though. Looks like it is just held on with a sticky pad. Odd choice of location too. I would have thought it would be more secure and cause less lift disturbance if it were bolted onto the fuselage?
The antenna is mechanically secured with an M10/M12 mounting bolt, with the adhesive foam pad providing a waterproof seal. The antenna is a combined GPS / Cellular unit and can be mounted anywhere that it has a clear view of the sky.
It may just be an ambiguous label but as someone who designs and manufactures custom GPS tracking and data communication systems i couldn't help but notice the GSM labelled antenna connection. GSM is the 2nd generation 2G network that many countries around the world have completely phased out. It is still operational in the UK, and up until a couple of years ago i sold systems that ran on the GSM 2G network but as we are getting closer to the UK wide shutdown of 2G i now use 4G LTE modems instead. They just cost a lot more. Does that unit actually use the 2G network or is it just mislabelled? Antenna connections for 4G devices are usually labelled LTE
The unit uses both GSM and 4G LTE depending on which service is available. The antenna ID labels on the front panel were chosen to match the identification markers on the antenna leads which are GSM and GPS respectively, thereby reducing any ambiguity. - These days GPS is more correctly referred to as GNSS, but we still say GPS without any ambiguity
@@alank.3519 Thankyou, appreciate the response. It wasn't a criticism in any way, just a genuine question. It's surprising how many systems that use 2G voice channels and WAP for data are still being sold. When i see GSM labels nowadays it's usually on kit i'm upgrading. GPS is a different ballgame though, that label is still a current and correct term, arguably interchangeable with GNSS. but that usually refers to devices with multiple/all network capability. Very few consumer level devices are able to receive signals from every satellite constellation. Each network uses different frequencies and encoding methods and none of them offer any real advantage over any of the others so the additional cost in having all network capability isn't really justifiable for most users.
Interesting device but I do wonder about cost. They justify the per flight cost with a message about underreported blocks time, however I've never seen any rental lose time that way. The occasional 0.1 from background ops is part of the general maintenance costs.
Fairly trivial functionality that the avionics could do. When you say you've never had problems with the plane, how much does the annuals typically cost?
My favourite Casio calculator could add/subtract in degrees, minutes and seconds and... Time calculations in hours, minutes and seconds. You would love it.
I would swear i saw that tomahawk somewhere for sale. Must be very common paintjob. Anyway, it looks interesting but now you have to count precise numbers. Ouch. No 5 minutes rounding.
Very clever device. But I wonder, you said that it also knows who is flying the plane. How does CloudBase know who is actually at the controls? And it registered when you set the parking brake. But how does CloudBase know, I mean I do not think your Piper has a flight data bus, or does it?
In groups and syndicates etc, they would use the cloudbase booking system (included in the subscription) The aircraft owner/group trustee could then match flight logs with the bookings.
There's a pricing calculator on their website but it was disappointing to not have an example price mentioned in the video rather than vague terms like 'cheap'. As an example if you used your plane 10 times a month the price would be £12.50 per month plus £1.50 per flight
I hunted all over the website and couldn’t find the prices. Whether that is good value depends on how much you dislike doing paperwork of course. For schools and syndicate aircraft I can see this is a real boon. For individual GA pilots owning their own plane I don’t think its worth it; most of the information is automatically in Skydemon and once you get a routine I don’t have an issue with filling in the logbook
@@geoffreycoan It's not very obvious but towards the bottom of their homepage under the section "Save Money From Day 1" there's a calculator on the right with some values already filled in. Just change them to your own circumstances. I'd agree that this seems fantastic for clubs but really not necessary for individual GA pilots
I understand the video is promotional. But made me thinking: How good of a pilot one can be, failing with simple math and keeping flight records...? To earn your PPL you have to be able to do more complex calculations... 😊
When a pilot has to grapple with the mixture of incremental decimal hours from the Hobbs / Tacho to an accuracy of only 0.1 hour, and conversion between Local Time and GMT (Zulu) there is a great potential for errors to creep in. Surely avoiding these potential errors at the end of each flight is more important than making the pilot practice his mixed modulus arithmetic skills? 🤔
The only way the system can realistically be financed is by subscription. - Each month there is a fixed cost associated with providing world wide, round the clock cellular network access, and the data for each flight delivered by the "little box" requires a minimum of two text messages, an outgoing data message and a confirmation / acknowledgement in return.
What is a tech log book? Just a list of all the flights a plane has done? That isn't a thing in FAA-land, at least for General Aviation. I don't see the point, I guess, for privately owned and flown aircraft. Seems like a neat solution to a problem that pretty much doesn't exist in the more sensible parts of the world ;) That draggy antenna mounted on the fuselage would be a hard sell too.
@@thomasdalton1508 No, not for privately owned/flown aircraft. There may be AD's that are due based on a certain number of hours flown, but you just write those due times down and check against the tach during preflight. Takes 2 seconds and doesn't carry a monthly cost.
This is a bit of an advertorial. You don't mention whether you actually paid for it or this is a freebie in return for the review. Also, why on earth don't you include the actual costs? Sorry, but this is not one of your better videos.
Hi. There is a mandatory paid promotion label at the start of the video and I added another large paid promotion label in bold text at the 8 minute mark as I began talking about the product. The review was paid for and prominently labelled. This video will remain on RUclips for many years and in that time, inflation and the company's prices will undoubtedly change. Rather than list hard prices in the video, I chose to refer to the modest monthly subscription and a small per-flight charge which accurately reflects the price model. The prices also differ depending on your application and usage. The company will be happy to answer any questions any viewer has about the pricing. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the video.
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Do you still manage a physical logbook? If so, do you just copy the entries by hand or do you print out sheets from the cloudebase homepage?
You can print them out, and they're formatted to stick right into the aircraft tech log books.
@TheFlyingReporter yeah okay that's pretty clever, gotta say
Mine is still hand written but to be fair it's a little while since the last entry...
Nope. Designed myself a database and never went back to archaic paper. Have no idea why in 2025 pilots, esp young ones, are still using paper
@@douglasb5046 I guess it's what we were taught in flight school, so we stick with it... I wouldn't know whether these digital logbooks are certified in the same way as for example a jeppesen log for IFR and MEP commercial entries (EU.FCL.050)
Oh bless you, you thought the spotters were out for the Belugas! They were hoping the blasted things would get out of the way so they could watch the Flying Reporter depart.
Haha. Love it.
That’s a great gadget. Fortunately the airliner I fly has an E tech log which ads it all up which is a major blessing on a 13 hr flight going from -8 UTC to plus 8 !
Jon, this is obviously a very accurate system, but you will still have to enter figures in your aircraft paper logbooks and personal logbook and decide how to round up or round down the times unless you want to write the seconds in. For all the group aircraft I have been involved in, we have always charged based on Tacho hours. The reason being that the Tacho in the rev counter is normally set at a fixed rpm of for 1.00 Tacho hour for a constant rpm of for example 2,400. Thus whilst taxiing and runup it clocks up slower, thus encouraging people not to rush checks. Also if you fly the aircraft at 2250 rpm it will clock slightly less than 1.00 and at 2550 rpm at slightly more than 1.00. Thus those that fly the engine at higher revs and use more fuel pay more. Most aircraft engines operate between 2200 and 2600 in cruise but the fuel consumption varies quite a lot. The rev counter is marked on the back the Tacho giving Rev setting. Of course a non turbo engine & C/S prop is another story. In our old Comanche, for economical flights we did fly slightly over square at 55% power which was approved in the manual. This still gave 140kts, but to really motor we flew at 75% to get 165kts+.
FYI, the system allows you to print out tech log compatible pages, that stick right into your techlogs, they're especially formatted. They round up and down as required and your hours for aircraft, engine and prop are automatically populated in the cloud.
Very interesting system. It's nearly the same as Sky Demon is doing with the automatic logbook. Offblock, start & landing time and on block. Only the "start engine" must be set manually. But for owners, the magic box is very interesting. Thanks for the video! Happy landings and greetings from Munich 🇩🇪
I too struggled with doing the hours/mins math right after a flight. My instructor showed me if I drank a glass of water and rehydrated between wheels down and pens up, I was way faster and more accurate. I soon started hydrating during the flight as I obviously was sub-optimal in the air. The school didn't like water in the cockpit, but the risk of a spill vs the risk of my shrunken brain missing something fatal seemed an interesting call.
I take a plastic bottle of frozen water and sip it whilst I fly along. No spill!
@@douglasb5046 - these days I only fly in virtual reality, so can sit with a beer :)
If/when you upgrade to a glass panel like the Garmin G3X all of these features and more are built in, free and easily downloaded and stored. The data is all kept on a SD Card that pops in the front of the unit. For a flying club the upload to the cloud would be very handy for all the reasons pointed out.
I find reading details of the device, they created a cash cow, then designed a costly box around it.
Totally bypassing the fact every device known has Bluetooth, and could simply create a file on your device, the second you turn the key, just like it connects to your vehicle.
Relying on tower data to wifi to access cloud base is fine for backup, just as your device does right now, Android/iPhone.
But cloud base entity is not bulletproof.
Then of course, software updates are required, and we know how this can cripple data.
Seems outdated already, where if data was saved to your phone in RealTime, it should also share this data to the company/owner of aircraft at the same time to their phone or device used, where cloud base is not the direct source required to get it.
Then, your device within range of Laser printer automatically prints out current status.
No mentions what type of document was created, as in PDF, or some strange unknown app not workable on device.
Somewhat strange that this was not demonstrated,, printed out, vs attention given to active tower traffic outbound, and changing oil.
Just know, if oil was not dropped within 20 minutes fully heated, you did more damage than good changing it ice cold, giving garbage time to settle out and stay behind glued in.
Vs hot, till last drop, adding fresh oil to push out trash.
Doing oil pan inspections, every oil pan when changes were done by owners, has solid Grey cheese two inches deep, impossible to remove cold, but running engine re-melted blended it in with new oil, and repeated over & over till one day, connecting rod can't take a joke. Also affecting wear of oil pump.
Thought some might value that bit of data. Avoiding the dreaded cornfield approach tactic.
Many times the area I get to on weekends, there's no cell tower or wifi within reach unless I drive 20 miles getting to a roadside village.
Very few businesses have public wifi, so a Pub or Hotel might be the only choice for chow & wifi.
I see note where the glass cockpit provides it all. Now that was smart tech right up front.
But for a device purposely made to bleed funds feeding it endlessly, and has full intent to not use common sense technology might also not be fully American made, or their owners.
Which I didn't see revealed who mfg it.
Hopefully Not China. I wouldn't touch it period.
Cheers, and advantage at this age, just looking out the window, eliminates cheap, keep off the grass signs.
I read a disparaging comment about the creator of the video as to how the creator chose to include additional content at the beginning. I found the addition to be unique and interesting. I believe the creator spent an appropriate amount of time on topic and explained the new equipment very well.
That may have been an error and your British card will be taken away. You pronounced Beluga without changing the A to and R music to my yanky ears. LOL. Great video, thank you for sharing. Neat little device.
Very interesting and informative video once again Jon, I don't have my PPL quite yet but its at the top of my bucket list once life allows me to obtain it. I deal with cloud hosted data systems as part of my job so this was particularly interesting to me, seems like a great solution for saving time and any stress involved in manually recording things. Really enjoyable watch :)
The unit shown in the video is configured for Fixed Wing aircraft, and uses GPS derived speed to determine the stages of flight. There is also a helicopter version which also utilises atmospheric pressure to determine lift-off into the hover (collective raised), and touch down (collective lowered)
You have the same function in Garmin G3X, as mentioned before in comments, but that also provides flight data to your iPad with Garmin
Pilot, but also every second, several engine data during the whole flight and load it up to a cloud.
Thanks. Yes, a few people have pointed this out, and I'm looking at this for my aircraft. Can you print out the logs from the G3X directly into your aircraft logbook with flight times all calculated for the engine, prop and airframe, or does that bit have to still be done manually.
Here in Australia all the aircraft logbooks stay with maintenance organisation the has one simple document called a maintenance release which remains with the aircraft and times are recorded as hours and the decimal point of an hour.
Not quite true, MR has to be with the aircraft during flight. Maintenance logs are often left with the LAME for simplicity, some owners like to keep them though.
The older pa28s seem to hold up so much better. Im currently on an integrated program and am out in america, and we fly archer txs, and I'd previously been working towards a ppl in the uk, mostly on the C150/2, but a bit in warriors and tomahawks. Alternator failures seem to be quite a common thing, and the standby G5s and Aspen 1000s. Still feels like cheating having a g1000 though in an sep, especially the ones with autopilot. The oldest ones in the fleet are around 3,000 hours, but they just don't quite seem to be holding up as well as the 70s and 80s built ones found in pretty much every UK school. I'm loving learning to use the modern avionics though
Cloudbase looks like a really interesting device. My aircraft logbook has suffered the same messy corrections as yours over the years!
It was the bane of my life...
I can see this perhaps being useful for schools etc but as a private owner/pilot Skydemon does all of this for no extra charge and you don't have to transfer anything into your pilots log book, only the aircraft engine/flight data as you would here too.
I learnt to fly at Hawarden and spent a lot of time on apron November , the beluga was a common sights
Cloudbase is great, the flying school I trained at (North Weald Flight Training) have it on their planes and it works so well. I've just joined a flying group now though and it's back to manual tech logs!
Hi Jon Paul in Orpington another great video always so well produced and interesting keep up the great work you are doing for aviation
Very good videos, hug from Portugal.
The UK is so beautiful. I'd love to fly around there one day.
This can be huge. It will probably allow you to print out your logs and paste them in book.
I do wish they continued using the "Super Guppy" name, it suited the airframe perfectly. I can also remember the one at Bruntingthorpe. I was there testing the day after some very high winds and their resident guppy had squashed an MGF!
The Super Guppy is a different airframe entirely, and is based at El Paso Intertnational in Texas (USA).
The MS XL spread sheet is very easy to use
That's brilliant, why has that not been thought of sooner ?
Up to about 15 years ago airline pilots were filling in the flight times and manually adding them in the aircraft TechLog ... with, of course the consequent errors. The airline I fly for had to employ a full time person to correct all those ham-fisted pilot errors. Then the airline convinced the CAA that their electronic collection was more accurate - we still record flight times, but no longer add them up in a running total - that's all done behind the scenes electronically.
Used to live in Saltney, Beluga's (and G.A) were common overhead spots ❤
Great video. A nice insight into private aircraft ownership. Interesting run time gadget but not sure about that antenna though. Looks like it is just held on with a sticky pad. Odd choice of location too. I would have thought it would be more secure and cause less lift disturbance if it were bolted onto the fuselage?
The antenna is mechanically secured with an M10/M12 mounting bolt, with the adhesive foam pad providing a waterproof seal. The antenna is a combined GPS / Cellular unit and can be mounted anywhere that it has a clear view of the sky.
Oh, your PA28 is neighbor to Tyrell’s Classic Cars of of this here RUclips
It may just be an ambiguous label but as someone who designs and manufactures custom GPS tracking and data communication systems i couldn't help but notice the GSM labelled antenna connection. GSM is the 2nd generation 2G network that many countries around the world have completely phased out. It is still operational in the UK, and up until a couple of years ago i sold systems that ran on the GSM 2G network but as we are getting closer to the UK wide shutdown of 2G i now use 4G LTE modems instead. They just cost a lot more. Does that unit actually use the 2G network or is it just mislabelled? Antenna connections for 4G devices are usually labelled LTE
The unit uses both GSM and 4G LTE depending on which service is available. The antenna ID labels on the front panel were chosen to match the identification markers on the antenna leads which are GSM and GPS respectively, thereby reducing any ambiguity. - These days GPS is more correctly referred to as GNSS, but we still say GPS without any ambiguity
@@alank.3519 Thankyou, appreciate the response. It wasn't a criticism in any way, just a genuine question. It's surprising how many systems that use 2G voice channels and WAP for data are still being sold. When i see GSM labels nowadays it's usually on kit i'm upgrading. GPS is a different ballgame though, that label is still a current and correct term, arguably interchangeable with GNSS. but that usually refers to devices with multiple/all network capability. Very few consumer level devices are able to receive signals from every satellite constellation. Each network uses different frequencies and encoding methods and none of them offer any real advantage over any of the others so the additional cost in having all network capability isn't really justifiable for most users.
Interesting device but I do wonder about cost. They justify the per flight cost with a message about underreported blocks time, however I've never seen any rental lose time that way. The occasional 0.1 from background ops is part of the general maintenance costs.
Fairly trivial functionality that the avionics could do.
When you say you've never had problems with the plane, how much does the annuals typically cost?
I don't need your expertise (!), but would love to hear more about your in TV.....
My favourite Casio calculator could add/subtract in degrees, minutes and seconds and... Time calculations in hours, minutes and seconds. You would love it.
Ok for clubs and schools, but I consider book keeping a priority for ppl users, it forces you to keep abreast of the various mandated records.
I would swear i saw that tomahawk somewhere for sale. Must be very common paintjob. Anyway, it looks interesting but now you have to count precise numbers. Ouch.
No 5 minutes rounding.
Very clever device. But I wonder, you said that it also knows who is flying the plane. How does CloudBase know who is actually at the controls? And it registered when you set the parking brake. But how does CloudBase know, I mean I do not think your Piper has a flight data bus, or does it?
In groups and syndicates etc, they would use the cloudbase booking system (included in the subscription) The aircraft owner/group trustee could then match flight logs with the bookings.
@@TheFlyingReporter Ok I see. Thank you!
So how much does it cost?
CloudBaseGA Low Utilisation (aircraft expecting
Great video as always.. what's the ICAO codes for both airports please ...if anyone knows?
EGNR EGST
Fantastic! Much appreciated. Happy flying! Keep the superb videos coming :-)@@TheFlyingReporter
What mad pilot does the walkaournd anti-clockwise? :D
Erm... no comment 😅
So,how much is it
There's a pricing calculator on their website but it was disappointing to not have an example price mentioned in the video rather than vague terms like 'cheap'.
As an example if you used your plane 10 times a month the price would be £12.50 per month plus £1.50 per flight
I hunted all over the website and couldn’t find the prices. Whether that is good value depends on how much you dislike doing paperwork of course.
For schools and syndicate aircraft I can see this is a real boon. For individual GA pilots owning their own plane I don’t think its worth it; most of the information is automatically in Skydemon and once you get a routine I don’t have an issue with filling in the logbook
@@geoffreycoan It's not very obvious but towards the bottom of their homepage under the section "Save Money From Day 1" there's a calculator on the right with some values already filled in. Just change them to your own circumstances.
I'd agree that this seems fantastic for clubs but really not necessary for individual GA pilots
I understand the video is promotional. But made me thinking: How good of a pilot one can be, failing with simple math and keeping flight records...?
To earn your PPL you have to be able to do more complex calculations... 😊
When a pilot has to grapple with the mixture of incremental decimal hours from the Hobbs / Tacho to an accuracy of only 0.1 hour, and conversion between Local Time and GMT (Zulu) there is a great potential for errors to creep in. Surely avoiding these potential errors at the end of each flight is more important than making the pilot practice his mixed modulus arithmetic skills? 🤔
I don't like how a little box is a subscription. Just one more cut bleeding us. Oh well welcome to aviation
The only way the system can realistically be financed is by subscription. - Each month there is a fixed cost associated with providing world wide, round the clock cellular network access, and the data for each flight delivered by the "little box" requires a minimum of two text messages, an outgoing data message and a confirmation / acknowledgement in return.
@alank.3519 ah, I see.
No cost on maintenance
What is a tech log book? Just a list of all the flights a plane has done? That isn't a thing in FAA-land, at least for General Aviation. I don't see the point, I guess, for privately owned and flown aircraft.
Seems like a neat solution to a problem that pretty much doesn't exist in the more sensible parts of the world ;) That draggy antenna mounted on the fuselage would be a hard sell too.
How do you keep track of maintenance requirements? 100 hour checks are a thing in FFA-land, aren't they?
@@thomasdalton1508 No, not for privately owned/flown aircraft.
There may be AD's that are due based on a certain number of hours flown, but you just write those due times down and check against the tach during preflight. Takes 2 seconds and doesn't carry a monthly cost.
I dont miss those stupid vests on UK airfields. 🤣
Keep a separate paper records logged as it doesn't require power and can't be hacked or erased ...
No such thing as a game changer.
You even have a MiG-23 over there 🙂
I too am curious on the story behind that MiG-23...
How many £10,000s does this little device cost?
Nothing of the sort. Details at cloudbasega.aero
They prefer not to say.
Link only.
Log hours in hours and 10ths(decimals) of an hour. A lot less trying on the brain. Every 6 mins is 0.1 of an hour for example.
It's not the video subject, but the Beluga looks too big to have only two engines .
I know right, but then I suppose you remember that the wings it carries are light for their size.
Sorry you lost me after I heard monthly and per flight fee
Nothing to be sorry about. If it’s not for you, it’s not for you. It’s peanuts though.
Did a monthly fee or "Pay As You Go" charges put you off getting a mobile phone?
@ Apple and oranges
This is a bit of an advertorial. You don't mention whether you actually paid for it or this is a freebie in return for the review. Also, why on earth don't you include the actual costs? Sorry, but this is not one of your better videos.
Hi. There is a mandatory paid promotion label at the start of the video and I added another large paid promotion label in bold text at the 8 minute mark as I began talking about the product. The review was paid for and prominently labelled. This video will remain on RUclips for many years and in that time, inflation and the company's prices will undoubtedly change. Rather than list hard prices in the video, I chose to refer to the modest monthly subscription and a small per-flight charge which accurately reflects the price model. The prices also differ depending on your application and usage. The company will be happy to answer any questions any viewer has about the pricing. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the video.
@@TheFlyingReporter how can you describe £500ish a year as “modest”?
Compared with SkyDemon at £90…
Ant PilotAware at peanuts?
I don't know where you're getting £500 year subscription fee from.
downvote for clickbait title. 45 seconds in and still haven't said what it is -- that's a do not recommend.
Your attention span belongs on TikTok.
@@simeon2851 I have stuff to do. I don't need to get jerked around to find out whether a video is interesting to me or not.
It's a paid promotion for a data-logger.
Watch more than 45 seconds maybe?
He treated you to six minutes of flying before the sponsored content started. Sue him!