Bish your wife gets railed by other men, ofcourse you of all people would believe everything you are told. "Dont worry babe, I don't like the big one" XD L Ratio lmao fell off.
Destiny i really want to know your opinion on this. Casting couch hd or net video girls porn company manages girls in a similar way. They fly girls out and some of them are not aware they are there for porn and then talked into doing it. They are convinced to do it but at any time they are allowed to leave if they want. Sounds very similar to what andrew tate did. Also they are lied to that the porn was for only a couple people to see when it was posted to there website
@@chandlerolinger1165 bro you cannot be serious. Those are completely setup. Next you're gonna tell us the bangbus guys are actually driving around picking up random girls. The huge distinction even if we grant you leniency here is that in your example they weren't kept in the studio and forced to join the business. In the tate case that is exactly the claim with supporting evidence.
James, don’t give up when times get tough, you’re doing a benefit in the political space. Your commentary voice is immaculate. Plus james isn’t a womans name!
Ah yes, the weakness in Destiny's position is that he investigated Tate while Daniel cleverly made sure to ignore everything Tate has ever said and wrote in order to defend him. Truly a master stroke on his part.
destiny lost this debate so bad, he talks about how coercion and being exploited is emotional yet don't care when pornstars like mia khalifa talked about it on porn company just to prove his point.
@@EM-fo6yr are you apart of the Romanian case against Tate? Why do you think 1 month after being arrested the courts would release evidence they have for public consumption before their actual trial of whatever their equivalent is? Please I'm lost on that perspective.
@@EM-fo6yr Can you answer my questions, Daniel? The Romanian prosecutor has leaked some of their evidence not all & they are investigating more. And they Tate's gift of gab had them self-snitching. But those don't make logical sense to you. My opinion of how I view the ton information out there so far doesn't need to wait for a trial.
@@EM-fo6yrcause you typically dont enter a trial with simply one or two pieces of evidence or angles of attack. You gather as much as you possibly can to hook line and sinker your case with as much of the story as you can possibly gather, with the anticipation that a good enough defence can make any one piece of evidence seem doubtful, but with multiple corresponding pieces of evidence your case becomes stronger. I feel like im describing how addition works, look at literally any court case for any trial at any point in history, this is how they all work
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@@hamzarehan1838 When he said “tate” he clarified he was including working on half of tate. The same way we might say a president does X but really their team or whatever is the one who actually does stuff
Which makes this Daniel clown the biggest duncebag I’ve seen in a while. What a ridiculous person. Religious indoctrination causes irreparable damage to the brain.
This women came up to me at the supermarket and said she was being sex trafficked and pointed to a guy wearing a “I’m a sex trafficker” t shirt and she showed me a video clip of her family asking for her back but there was no radiator involved, she wasn’t chained to a radiator so I think it was all fine tbh.
Except none of the girls did anything of what you mentioned. So what's your point? I know you're just being disingenuous and taking a literal understanding to make the opposing view sound ridiculous. It's called Straw man. But at least be smart about it. It's too obvious.
Daniel's debate points 1. What even is sex trafficking? 2. America bad 3. Andrew Tate is playing a character, therefore is absolved of any crime he confesses to. 4. Women lie, therefore, not guilty.
And rest of charges for are not only Traffiking charge for are Criminal organisation lead and Money laundering are Accuse for and That is There so they Are not only 1 crime are many 🤔
@@JA-be7me if you consider being brainwashed An Ignorant right. Then I guess.😂But no, I def don’t. none of those opinionated points of Daniels in the original comment are proving his argument what so ever. It really just shows how ignorant an desperate he is.
I think Daniel's answer to the last question is enlightening. He doesn't believe coercion is a thing unless it's physical. So you could threaten something all day long to get someone else to do something, but unless you physically follow through with the threat it's not coercion. What a nauseatingly ignorant perspective.
Here is the thing, and why a lot of destiny debates frustrate me so much, He doesn't believe that, he started from the idea that tate is a Muslim and therefore he must defend him and saying that sex trafficking or rape is only real if there is physical force seems like the best way to do so, but it's not something he actually believes in, it's just the path of least resistance to the conclusion he already decided its the truth, that tate did nothing wrong. That's why these debates are always so fucking unproductive, it would be interesting to explore the moral system of someone who actually believe that, but they don't, its just convenient for them to believe it so they do, but if the situation changes they will flip their beliefs because its not about principles, it's about being right. It's the way teenagers argue, and it never leads to anything.
@@Zhyro00 That's why it's important to look at these debates from a third-party perspective. Sometimes you'll *NEVER* change the mind of someone you're talking to/debating, because they've already made up their mind and no amount of evidence will change it. However, these debates can still be productive for the people watching it, because they can see how flimsy and insane their views are.
The truth is - and it's something you and your millennial generation are going to disagree with - words are words. Threats aren't violence - they're warnings. My childhood in the 80s was adults telling children if they don't get off the lawn they'll run the mower over them. If they talk like that again they'll knock their head from their shoulders.... They were a warning. Words are vibrations in the air - your reaction to those words were not an assault. Until someone lays hands nothing has happened and that's the way it should be.
@@Sagan_Starborn sorry steve but when adults did that to you they were being aggressive and if you were constantly shaken and threatened with violence u probably were being abused by adults around you. its just tough for your generation to accept , but as humans progress we learn more as a species and how to develop. sorry you were part of a more violence one
props to tate, true genius of marketing. the dude said "im muslim now" and recruited 300 million loyal dogs to defend him at all costs cuz he's now "brother tate"
No matter if Andrew Tate is found guilty or not, the fact that he is riding the line that closely, is probably a good sign that you shouldn't be defending him this reverently.
Whether or not if part of trafficking.. he still beagged about it.. and not paying tax, and being fall guy..for the mob.. so like his gonna be clipped for something.. for some immoral , or something more on the moral side.. either way
@@TR13400 And please, don't go on spreading those things if you are not a 100% sure that the same statements are true or not, just ask Muslim scholars, or try to get a deeper look into that.
@@alphonseelric8722 Muslims scholars agree that Mohammed married a 6 year old girl. Are you saying Mohammed was not a PDF or are you saying that Muslims do not worship him?
poor Destiny. When he realized his opponent had spent no time researching the case he must have felt like someone prepping super hard for a bake-off, only to see the opponent walk in with a cup of instant-noodles
@@247gamer6 literally it’s that simple huh… you can’t say it’s like any job cuz in any job they post a job with a description and that’s it. He was literally saying you HAVE to sleep with them first or it won’t work… like how can you defend him after that lmao Andrew is trash. I feel bad for Tristan
@@247gamer6 how exactly do you know he tricked them into sex work? If we’re going by the video that everyone is talking about, he specifically said that he told them the truth upfront of what he was trying to do. What part of that is that tricking them? I don’t understand
I listened to this live and I really enjoyed the fact that Daniel could not and would not answer the questions posed by Destiny. He's definitely gonna need to see a doctor with the broken ankles he sustained from the amount of pivoting he did.
Guess thats how R. Dawson felt when he DESTROYED Lestiny on their debate, actually it was more like Lestiny getting 2 hour of geopolitical and history education for free!
destiny lost this debate so bad, he talks about how coercion and being exploited is emotional yet don't care when pornstars like mia khalifa talked about it on porn company just to prove his point. Destiny also lied multiple times.. "Andrew tate SAID he will throw girls on the window" yet when cited talked about a police women saying it.
"you can't cite any evidence cause it doesn't exist!" Female Debater: "Here's a large amount of cited evidence and testimony" "Well I don't like this evidence."
This is one of Destiny's best debates in quite a while. Prepared, articulate, pointing out the ramblings of the opponent. Pausing Factorio = Destiny at his full power.
As a Muslim man it's fine to celebrate if someone converts to Islam but to put him on a pedestal and defending him as if he is some modern prophet a when he has not devoted any time or energy to covert his life style
Sadly Muslim community is much harsher on people born as Muslim than individuals who convert. People like Andrew who continue to sin like drinking premarital etc after converting and brag about it are put on a pedestal however Muslims who sin ever so slightly are judged very harshly by the community. Even though as much as people don’t like to admit it all Muslims sin some are just better at hiding it than others.
Pretty much I mean the dude's argument is basically if there is some level of dishonesty and deception between an adult content creator and viewer or between two people having sex then it should also be sex trafficking or that because it's not considered sex trafficking then what tate did was just fine It's like saying people should be charged for theft for stealing a pen from work the same way a robber should be charged for stealing millions of dollars from a bank or that the robber shouldn't be charged because the employee didn't when he stole the pen
Yeah... Very little actual legal analysis going on here. Props to Destiny (not a lawyer) for actually citing the statute under which Tate was charged, knowing the elements of that offense, having some understanding of the individual terms within each element, and applying the available facts to those elements. No engagement whatsoever from his opponent.
The fact that he's citing "due process" as an inalienable american right that applies to anyone on the planet, while not being sex trafficked somehow isn't because americans forcing their laws on other countries which is the only reason a country wouldn't want a british people aren't allowed to hold a whole untaxed slavery ring inside their country.
Cuz he is in a character........ There's a clip of him saying he could split the rarths core with his bear hands, u seriously telling me u can watch that and somhow tell urself its not satire ?
@@ggrogan there's a clip of him admitting to kidnapping woman then forcefully flying then over seas then forcing then to make p0rn ? Wow plz show me, cuz tge last time I checked even the victimes called this entire thing bs 💀
I can't believe this Daniel guy claimed that intentionally witholding a person's passport when they are in a foreign country isn't coercion because they're free to try to ask for help or tell the police. I hope he was being facetious there or he's actually insane.
"How can you take evidence from the prosecution as evidence?" Imagine if the court was like "well, you're the prosecution so how can we take any evidence you have as evidence"
Imagine being a lawyer and saying your client is innocent because the government is a bad actor and one time they attempted to ruin a civil rights leader. It's really really disconnected. The judge would ask for evidence that this is happening in this case, like photos, documents, papers, recordings, etc. This is what Destiny is requesting, and the Daniel guy really thinks that the history is evidence.
1st off the lawyer doing that shit would quickly find himself under review of the lawyer association, and 2nd , no lawyer would do that, unless they're a crazy ideologue using the trial to push some narative to the wider society.
@@hobes9799 I assume they meant the competition didn't know anything when he stated he was unfamiliar with the police officer arrested with Tate. Not that destiny knew nothing.
Daniel: opens up debate by saying a 15 year old can’t consent Tates first girl was 15 when she was first trafficked Daniel: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that Later Daniel: what you think these women are childlike and cant understand what’s going on? Well honestly… quite a few were literally children my dude Mfw he literally implies that if they didn’t attempt a potentially lethal escape that they must not have felt trapped
Yeah dude, I just got there and that last bit is insane. You can absolutely entrap someone without explicitly threatening them/touching them. Now, it's super hard to prove (which helps prevent false charges), but body language and coded language can absolutely be considered entrapment. The problem is you would need others to testify/admit to doing this.
@@CEWIII9873 as a muslim. Daniel is definitely delusional and should not be apart of the muslim community. I feel like andrew is not actually muslim. But he said he is muslim to get easily fooled people to support him.
@@luciddoggo5094 and those kinda arguments the Nazis also brought to justify gassing the jews since in their Bible it says prophet Isaac of 37 years old married Rebecca of 3 years old! But WEIRDos (Western Educated Industrial Rich Democrat) never use their brain before judging others!
It's fucking crrrriiiiiiinggggeee literally I'm cringing it's such a punchable face, except I don't wanna have skin contact on any level with him so I'd need a 10 meters-long bat instead
Daniel Haqiqatjou, hands down my favorite bad faith actor, describing the sort of abuse he’d consider sex trafficking as if he hasn’t openly advocated for Islamic sex slavery during a prior Modern Day Debates appearance.
This Daniel guy. Along with everyone else defending Andrew Tate actually do a great job in moving me further towards His guilt. They absolutely stink at providing anything that would lead me to doubt him being a Trafficker. I’d respect them 100x more if they had any ounce of Humility.
Logic would state that Andrew Tate could only be "a trafficker" if there was evidence . What evidence has been presented ? What evidence are YOU presenting ? It's amazing to believe that people are convicted, based on 'feelings' . Please don't talk about humility when you have no sincerity .
@@nobody.6451 Not based on feelings. Destiny does a great job explaining this. It's not "just feelings." Legal precedent has shown that someone feeling like they have no options is the same thing as them not having options, if they've been manipulated to think that way. The trafficking evidence has been presented, there's texts, plane tickets, and Tate's own words.
I was watching live and my absolute favorite part was the q&a portion in the end where a viewer asked “Daniel, if the accusations about the Tates are true would that change your opinion of them?” And instead of answering yes or no he went on a 5 minute rant about Julian Assange lmao
@@itscebby8882 That's the manosphere for ya. A cult for the worst influencers you can imagine. Men are too darn easy to buy, you only need to tell them what they want: that they're threatened by women and that you can turn them into rich, super macho douchebags....and they'll worship you as their Lord and Savious forever after.
One critical issue I see Daniel, Sneako, and other Red Pill Tate fans have in trying to understand the definition of “sex trafficking” is they don’t seem to notice or understand the use of “OR” in the definition. They seem to think it’s “and” with the components and believe it has to be all of that definition. That’s not what it says… It says “OR” and there are fairly clear legal standards defining what the range is for each of the terms and legal PRECEDENT (previous similar cases) to refer to.
@@LARESCIV My point still stands. Daniel, whether red pill or not, made the same mistake as the others I mention in this message. He misunderstands “or” in the definition for “and” which is incorrect. In simpler terms, he seems to believe that you need to prove that someone did all parts of the sex trafficking definition to be guilty rather than one of the outlined attributes. This is the same mistake made by the Red Pill community & Andrew Tate apologists in their arguments about this subject. So whether Daniel is a part of the community is irrelevant to my actual point.. It’s the same mistake.
@@PPEcon If what AT did is sex trafficking then everytime you do something sexually without asking for permission to do it with the person you arent married with, you are then a sex trafficker too, the definition is obviously too vague to be taken in full as properly defined, this is also why it's thrown around so often, cause it's limits arent precise enough.
@@LARESCIV You are just wrong. The definition is right there. Like is stealing too broad of a definition? what if I drop my wallet and another person grabs it before I can catch it? is it still stealing? Andrew Tate lured girls by claiming to marry/love them, he took money they earned and lied about it to them. Like sorry dude but there is no way on God's green earth that you can convince a woman (who had never worked in the sex industry before) to sell her body and then give the vast majority of money to you. Let alone get 70+ women to do this. It's pimping through and through.
Destiny always ends up debating people that can't debate but man this was bad even on those standards. The number logical fallacies that this dude completely fell down over and over again was actually impressive.
The way he basically said that he’s defending him for being Muslim and would defend the women as well but they’re not Muslim and then had no choice but to say so quickly after that he wasn’t defending him for being Muslim just made me cackle when I saw this live because of how many points Destiny made to show that Andrew is not actually Muslim and is at best a bad actor
You did not understand what he said.. He said that he used to condemned Andrew Tate in the past for his actions that are inconsistent with Islam, but he is defending him today for two reasons, first because he believes he is innocent of the sex Trafficking charge, and second because he is a Muslim With the same logic, today he condemns the cam girls for their actions that do not agree with Islam, but if in the future they become Muslim and then find themselves in a situation in which they need someone to defend them even though they are innocent, then Daniel will do the same thing, he will defend them because they are Muslims who need someone to defend them. Because they are innocent... But Daniel never said that he would defend a Muslim despite his being a criminal or not innocent, just because he is a Muslim. Islam forbids defending falsehood and commands telling the truth even if you are going to condemn yourself. Daniel said that if Destiny was in the same position he would have defended him, because he really believe that there are not evidence to convict Tate with the charge, regardless him being Muslim or not.
@@mmmmohmm I understand perfectly you just tried to expand on the point to make it seem more legitimate but we both agreed on what he said and high is that that is the only reason he is defending him. Let’s also not skip over the fact he thinks he’s innocent but couldn’t defend Tate out of a paper bag.
God, watching this was an exercise in patience. This guy wouldn’t answer a single question, he kept bouncing around to different topics and ignoring every question asked of him. The only thing missing from this debate was an explanation of what an NFT is
he also would just completely contradict himself and change his arguments while acting like the didn’t over and over again lol this dude is just such a complete dumbass
it's amazing that all Haqiqatchu's fanboys are bigging him up on his channel for how brilliantly he dismantled Destiny. The cognitive dissonance is incredible over there.
@@rickflose what do you mean? Do you actually think that Haqiqatchu made any coherent or even relevant points in that debate? He's a clown who is only defending Tate because Tate is a Muslim and he's not bothered by misogyny.
@@y.o.1207 His only two points were "What Tate did should not be illegal" and "Tate's charges are politically motivated". For the first one its irrelevant in a debate of whether or not what he did _is_ illegal, thats a separate argument if you think yes its illegal but it shouldnt be. The second one he didnt bring any evidence, he threw out 2 or 3 examples of politically motivated charges, conveniently ignoring the thousands of people arrested for rape each year who are legitimate rapists.
@@y.o.1207 to add to what Tony rightly pointed out, Haqiqatchu's only real argument was a pretty pathetic 'what about the western porn industry'. Totally irrelevant and deeply misunderstanding the western porn industry.
One of my biggest pet peeves with debates is people crying or screaming about getting interrupted then continue to interrupt other people over and over again.
If I can I would record them interrupting and play that clip right back at them when they complain about being interrupted. The lack of self-awareness man
This is literally all of Destinys debates. This goes back years and years of debate. Heck even the Jontron debate was like this. Destiny has been saying that it is very frustrating that almost all of his debate opponents have not done even a small amount of research.
@@RanEncounter It makes sense. Destiny's style where he hammers the fact that he has the dominant point from an evidence point of view is a minority take. Unless you hammer that really, *really* well, the fact that you have evidence is only one small part of the larger argument to sway opinions, and rhetorically having facts isn't very convincing by itself.
@@groundtrader173 did you watch the research stream lmao? do you have brain dmg? His research was quite extensive, and made it quite reasonable to assume andrew is guilty
I will give this guy credit though.. there's not many people who can get absolutely dumpstered in 2 debates previously and still have the balls to come back completely unprepared for a third debate. Kudos
If you look at his channel, people are praising him and seeing it as him winning. These debates are pointless when it comes to getting to the bottom of things. People are just too biased.
@@rizkiagustian7640 They are not pointless there's always a portion that will support their creator on both sides but there is also a portion in the middle that is undecided (usually 10-25%) who often has their mind made up by the end. You also see some debates stomp so hard occasionally that even a creators audience won't feel good about it and will second guess, with posts saying "I hate destiny... But X did poorly here" etc and vice versa
@@dm_1236 Keep coping I guess lol although to be fair it's not surprising Destiny won the Liberalism vs Islam debate, super soft ball topic. Basically do you want the greatest living conditions the world has ever known, or a superstitious babbling text written by primitive humans who didn't even know germs existed and pretended they spoke to God? Gee what a tough call!
@@dm_1236 how did destiny lose that???? the Muslim literally couldn’t think of a valid reason as to why a Muslim would be oppressed in a liberal government society
I always appreciate the non-sensationalist titles on videos for Destiny's more formal debates, it doesn't boil down the whole video to one emotion Destiny was feeling or one stupid point from the opponent. Thanks August!
Jesus Christ, every once in a while there's a debate that makes me realize that if I had to do what Destiny does, I'd have probably unalived myself. This is one of those debates. Daniel might be legitimately remedial and I hope that he gets the help that he needs. Maybe a caretaker?
There was a period when Destiny gave up on actually debating people. Instead, they would call in and ramble and Destiny would respond "okay..." while playing video games the entire time. I cannot say I blame him
I’m embarrassed for Daniel’s complete ignorance to the case whilst also disappointed for Steven that he put so much effort into the research only to wipe the floor with this guy easily. Why would you debate publicly with so little knowledge?!?
Daniel is a known griefer, only here to promote the "US bad, Islam good" worldview. If you watch his other debates, he tries to shoehorn "US is bad, because they did these things to muslim countries like malaysia, etc" into everything, even if it is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Research is thus completely irrelevant
Dude's argument is basically if there is some level of dishonesty and deception between an adult content creator and viewer or between two people having sex then it should also be sex trafficking or that because it's not considered sex trafficking then what tate did was just fine It's like saying people should be charged for theft for stealing a pen from work the same way a robber should be charged for stealing millions of dollars from a bank or that the robber shouldn't be charged because the employee didn't when he stole the pen
1:10:00 that is Daniel's most craziest response that he's done in this whole debate. He says that we have to take people at face value for what they say not moments before he says the Tate is playing a role so we shouldn't take what he says at face value because he's playing a role. That's crazy.
Are you people stupid? Daniel says we should take people at their word and that we shouldn't judge everything Andrew Tate says on its prima facie value BECAUSE Andrew Tate himself has explicitely stated that not everything he says is to be taken seriously. There is absolutely nothing inconsistent about that position.
@@mitchellboeck bro are you stupid? I have seen alot of his videos he's a very religous Muslim. Yeah he has some crazy takes but your re*****d if u really think hes a criminal.
If she was there against her will being abused and coerced to do things she doesn't wanna do, I don't see why she wouldn't seek help. They all had their phones. They had access to the internet...
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Both phones and the Internet can be restricted and tracked. To say it would be easy to leave is a huge stretch when all we’ve seen is the girls standing outside the gate that was guarded. Whether you love or hate Tate, the lack of common sense was the cringiest thing about the Internet
@@Jolts30 The burden of proof is on the claimant. I'm only questioning the ridiculous claims. Just saying it's possible to restrict those things isn't actually an evidence. Also, "cringe" and "common sense" are value judgements. Good luck using them in court. PS: You and Destiny fanboys remind me of the trial scene from Idiocracy. This is actually hilarious.
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Obviously that’s where the burden of proof is….No one’s said it isn’t. 😂 These Tate fans who excuse every possible evidence as “they could obviously leave” or “Tate would never”. Tate did some fucked shit for sure at least from what he’s self reported. Now it’s just what can be criminally proven in court once the 180 day investigation concludes. If there’s absolutely nothing, then Tate fans shouldn’t be worried 😏
This guy is wrong about keeping employees salaries secret. If a corporation demands employees not talk about their salaries with each other, that’s illegal. He’s full of crap.
59:59 “I thought the debate was about Andrew tate?” 😂😂😂😂 Dude opening statement was spent talking about MLK, assange, the fbi, the western world, and later talked about the hub😂😂😂😂.
Well obviously the judge wasn't prepared either. Tate's still not convicted with anything. You're obviously wrong about what constitutes evidence. Sucks to be a bigot.
It's so sad you did so much preparation for this then %90 of this conversation just wind-up sounding like an on-the-spot debate with an random Andrew fan
Just so everyone knows, Daniel believes child marriage is a positive good and that you can get married to a 5 year old if she has a medical condition where she went through premature puberty.
Wait, you’re telling me that a guy who glorifies a culture of religious oppression of women will back a guy who glorifies secular oppression of women? You’re telling me that a guy that views women as lesser and subservient to him will defend a guy that views women as property? No way man. Crazy…
Hiquiqa's opening statement that basically said I condem his actions but as his new Islam brother I HAVE TO DEFEND HIM is essentially the most tribalistic motive you could have when entering a debate regarding accusations against an individual. Destiny on the other hand doesn't really care that much about Tate either way but knows a lot about him since both him and Andrew are extraordinary internet algorithm boys. But Destiny is coming with facts, proper context, knowledge of the law and of the specifics surrounding the charges
You'd have to be willfully ignorant to not know the "balcony quote" exists. It's incomprehensible that he came to this debate on this, with no knowledge of what the prosecution is claiming their evidence is. He literally hasn't looked into it at all. How could he even have formed a legit opinion?!?!?! Why would you come to a debate about it?!?!?!
Steven is back in fine form here tonight. Spitting out facts and holding his feet to the fire. I was getting worried, thinking he may have lost his edge, but nope he just tucked it away until he's finished Factorium
Tate: "You have to treat the women as equals with a dominating force, especially using your bottom b*tch" Destiny: "There's that pimp terminology, showing sex trafficking behavior" Opponent (paraphrase): "how do we know, that THAT isn't the standard, for running a cam business, or any business of sexual nature. Stop targeting Tate" This guy is running on half the RAM of a 2GB Hard drive. Gawd DAYUM
daniel if he was being prosecuted for first degree murder: "Your honor, the prosecution proved that I had the motive and intention to kill that guy, these are subjective states of mind and are worthless. Therefore, I'm innocent of committing first degree murder"
It seems his argument is, "He didn't do it", "if he did do it, it's because the laws are being controlled by America to bring Tate down", "Ok maybe he did that but what is sex trafficking anyway? It could be anything"
I actually think like most of the tate copies and tate himself become Muslims for the multiple wives thing which from most sources heavily discourage having multiple wives since you can't love them the same. This of both Sunni and Shia sects of Islam. I went through a rabbit whole just to find one that says it's okay while find like so many that discourage it.
@@CEWIII9873 you don't understand how much I had to go through just to find one source on it being okay. God it was a lot. I'm a muslim as well so like I did the first thing and sourced the quran which then got me going onto a shady website to get that one peice of evidence supporting it.
@@glowtail3744 I have my bones to pick with Islam, although there are aspects I respect, but it is galling to me that we have this "soft" Islam where anyone can say anything, do anything and conduct themselves in whatever manner, say they are "Muslim" and other Muslims defend them! I miss the hardcore Muslims from the Bush era...
Muslims to each other on a daily basis: Hypocrite, you don't know Allah Muslims when a con artist with actions completely against Islam: he's my brother I love and support him
he did bad stuff and admitted it on his own to his audience, people like him because he is straightforward and nobullshit. he tells it to young men as it is because nowadays they are being cuddled and someone has to wake them up and put them back on their purpose. you all like celebrities and influencers which 1 of them have not done something questionable or borderline illegal? the way you guys behave like you are pure and are without sin is pathetic, your enemies won't show you the same grace when they try to cancel or deplatform you or cancel you out of your livelihood.
I just like the dude. I hate the cringe fanbase like 11 year old boy yelling at woman = funny, but Andrew is genuinely hilarious. He is literally playing a character to all of your faces, there is tons of video of him and his brother just hanging out, traveling, etc in vlog form and watching those was like watching the best vlog RUclipsr the site has to offer. He has a good sense of humor, he is quick whitted and can hit punchlines reliably. Obv if tate traffics girls fuck him but there is due process. My opinion will be made after the trial. And it’s not a good look for people to shit on him/ act like he’s guilty just as a rule of thumb of how people should be treated in legal battles publicly. You ask “why do people defend tate”, because he is just as guilty for this crime as you are. Until the trial is over it is braindead to make opinions
I hate people that interrupt.. interrupt.. and interrupt.. then say “don’t interrupt me” trying to make the other person look bad for letting you interrupt them. That’s crazy
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That's a clever title Mr. Gnome.
Bish your wife gets railed by other men, ofcourse you of all people would believe everything you are told. "Dont worry babe, I don't like the big one" XD L Ratio lmao fell off.
Destiny i really want to know your opinion on this. Casting couch hd or net video girls porn company manages girls in a similar way. They fly girls out and some of them are not aware they are there for porn and then talked into doing it. They are convinced to do it but at any time they are allowed to leave if they want. Sounds very similar to what andrew tate did. Also they are lied to that the porn was for only a couple people to see when it was posted to there website
Why as nobody is talking about Andrew Tate says he gave 7 passports
@@chandlerolinger1165 bro you cannot be serious. Those are completely setup. Next you're gonna tell us the bangbus guys are actually driving around picking up random girls. The huge distinction even if we grant you leniency here is that in your example they weren't kept in the studio and forced to join the business. In the tate case that is exactly the claim with supporting evidence.
Thanks for coming on again, Steven! That was one of the juicier debates I've gotten to hear in a while!
No problem James!
MIDDLE GUY GIGACHAD
Hey James, you have facilitated some of my favourite debates and I appreciate that.
James, don’t give up when times get tough, you’re doing a benefit in the political space. Your commentary voice is immaculate. Plus james isn’t a womans name!
Love the platform and your hosting. Keep it up!
“andrew tate didn’t break western law because i hate western law” is a bold strategy lets see how that works out for him
It did not work out well for him Pepper. Not at all!
No way, he said it... Did he genuinely say it and not realise that's not how law works? XD
At least he’s honest lmao, moozlum clown
That's a bold strategy cotton. Let's see how it plays out for him
But Tate broke Islamic law in multiple ways as well so idk what's his point.
Ah yes, the weakness in Destiny's position is that he investigated Tate while Daniel cleverly made sure to ignore everything Tate has ever said and wrote in order to defend him.
Truly a master stroke on his part.
The virgin eenvestigaytooooooooor
edit: vs the chad ignorer obviously
destiny lost this debate so bad, he talks about how coercion and being exploited is emotional yet don't care when pornstars like mia khalifa talked about it on porn company just to prove his point.
@@EM-fo6yr are you apart of the Romanian case against Tate? Why do you think 1 month after being arrested the courts would release evidence they have for public consumption before their actual trial of whatever their equivalent is? Please I'm lost on that perspective.
@@EM-fo6yr Can you answer my questions, Daniel? The Romanian prosecutor has leaked some of their evidence not all & they are investigating more. And they Tate's gift of gab had them self-snitching. But those don't make logical sense to you. My opinion of how I view the ton information out there so far doesn't need to wait for a trial.
@@EM-fo6yrcause you typically dont enter a trial with simply one or two pieces of evidence or angles of attack. You gather as much as you possibly can to hook line and sinker your case with as much of the story as you can possibly gather, with the anticipation that a good enough defence can make any one piece of evidence seem doubtful, but with multiple corresponding pieces of evidence your case becomes stronger. I feel like im describing how addition works, look at literally any court case for any trial at any point in history, this is how they all work
Daniel "Sex trafficking is so vague"
Destiny "let me read the definition for you"
Daniel "Well Martin Luther King..."
like that surprised me hhh
Are Very Clear Law about Traffiking so are If you Promised Ring on Finger with Marriage Exclusive Relationship's and Move to Rumania from other Country Then end up in front of Webcam are Traffiking Law is Very Clear 🇪🇺🇸🇪
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@@hamzarehan1838
*policewoman working for tate brothers
@@hamzarehan1838policewomen working for andrew tate
@@hamzarehan1838 When he said “tate” he clarified he was including working on half of tate. The same way we might say a president does X but really their team or whatever is the one who actually does stuff
"Andrew Tate did nothing wrong, but also, if everyone was Muslim he wouldn't have been able to do such awful things" is certainly a bold take.
Which makes this Daniel clown the biggest duncebag I’ve seen in a while. What a ridiculous person. Religious indoctrination causes irreparable damage to the brain.
The Boldest
TFW when Muslim defend a guy who makes money off cam girls. Nice meme.
When did Daniel say Tate did nothing wrong? His whole argument was about the ambiguity in legal codes and not well defined sex trafficking term!
As a Muslim myself, I have 3 words- Osama Bin Laden
when he questioned if threatening to throw someone off a balcony was standard practice in the cam industry my brain popped
Jeb are you running again in 2024 😿
He also said its totally normal and acceptable to lie and defraud your employees lol
Andrew tate didn’t even say it hurrr durrr
That’s classic religion apologists tactics
If Daniel Haqiqatjou was being sex trafficked by Andrew Tate he would still defend him.
This women came up to me at the supermarket and said she was being sex trafficked and pointed to a guy wearing a “I’m a sex trafficker” t shirt and she showed me a video clip of her family asking for her back but there was no radiator involved, she wasn’t chained to a radiator so I think it was all fine tbh.
yup
always moving the goalposts
It really demonstrates most people have NO integrity when it comes to an idea in which they believe...
Except none of the girls did anything of what you mentioned. So what's your point? I know you're just being disingenuous and taking a literal understanding to make the opposing view sound ridiculous. It's called Straw man. But at least be smart about it. It's too obvious.
@j.r.r.tolkien8724 If you claim strawman then you should be able to steelman. So, go ahead.
Daniel's debate points
1. What even is sex trafficking?
2. America bad
3. Andrew Tate is playing a character, therefore is absolved of any crime he confesses to.
4. Women lie, therefore, not guilty.
And rest of charges for are not only Traffiking charge for are Criminal organisation lead and Money laundering are Accuse for and That is There so they Are not only 1 crime are many 🤔
He’s right
He's right,, he has many good points
@@algorithm1635 in what Use female as a asset are Human Waist 🧠☠️🤡
@@JA-be7me if you consider being brainwashed An Ignorant right. Then I guess.😂But no, I def don’t. none of those opinionated points of Daniels in the original comment are proving his argument what so ever. It really just shows how ignorant an desperate he is.
Tate fans love talking about power and control but can’t fathom Tate using that power for the things he literally said he used it for
I think Daniel's answer to the last question is enlightening. He doesn't believe coercion is a thing unless it's physical. So you could threaten something all day long to get someone else to do something, but unless you physically follow through with the threat it's not coercion.
What a nauseatingly ignorant perspective.
Here is the thing, and why a lot of destiny debates frustrate me so much, He doesn't believe that, he started from the idea that tate is a Muslim and therefore he must defend him and saying that sex trafficking or rape is only real if there is physical force seems like the best way to do so, but it's not something he actually believes in, it's just the path of least resistance to the conclusion he already decided its the truth, that tate did nothing wrong. That's why these debates are always so fucking unproductive, it would be interesting to explore the moral system of someone who actually believe that, but they don't, its just convenient for them to believe it so they do, but if the situation changes they will flip their beliefs because its not about principles, it's about being right.
It's the way teenagers argue, and it never leads to anything.
@@Zhyro00 That's why it's important to look at these debates from a third-party perspective. Sometimes you'll *NEVER* change the mind of someone you're talking to/debating, because they've already made up their mind and no amount of evidence will change it. However, these debates can still be productive for the people watching it, because they can see how flimsy and insane their views are.
The truth is - and it's something you and your millennial generation are going to disagree with - words are words. Threats aren't violence - they're warnings.
My childhood in the 80s was adults telling children if they don't get off the lawn they'll run the mower over them. If they talk like that again they'll knock their head from their shoulders....
They were a warning. Words are vibrations in the air - your reaction to those words were not an assault.
Until someone lays hands nothing has happened and that's the way it should be.
@@Sagan_Starborn If threats aren't violent then why are they illegal
@@Sagan_Starborn sorry steve but when adults did that to you they were being aggressive and if you were constantly shaken and threatened with violence u probably were being abused by adults around you. its just tough for your generation to accept , but as humans progress we learn more as a species and how to develop.
sorry you were part of a more violence one
props to tate, true genius of marketing. the dude said "im muslim now" and recruited 300 million loyal dogs to defend him at all costs cuz he's now "brother tate"
More like sheep's
@@fringetravelideas chill with the racism
@@karayi7239 Muslim is a race now?
@@flyingh3adhigh no it isn't. and you're pretty dumb if u don't know what i mean.
@@fringetravelideasyet we aren’t the ones or the source of the degeneracy happening in the world and the globohomo agenda
No matter if Andrew Tate is found guilty or not, the fact that he is riding the line that closely, is probably a good sign that you shouldn't be defending him this reverently.
Whether or not if part of trafficking.. he still beagged about it.. and not paying tax, and being fall guy..for the mob.. so like his gonna be clipped for something.. for some immoral , or something more on the moral side.. either way
@@optionvice8926 That was the most brain-dead incoherent rambling I’ve heard in a while. Can you even say something remotely coherent?
Muslims literally worship a PDF file. You think they care? Lmao
@@TR13400 And please, don't go on spreading those things if you are not a 100% sure that the same statements are true or not, just ask Muslim scholars, or try to get a deeper look into that.
@@alphonseelric8722 Muslims scholars agree that Mohammed married a 6 year old girl.
Are you saying Mohammed was not a PDF or are you saying that Muslims do not worship him?
poor Destiny. When he realized his opponent had spent no time researching the case he must have felt like someone prepping super hard for a bake-off, only to see the opponent walk in with a cup of instant-noodles
@@247gamer6 literally it’s that simple huh… you can’t say it’s like any job cuz in any job they post a job with a description and that’s it. He was literally saying you HAVE to sleep with them first or it won’t work… like how can you defend him after that lmao Andrew is trash. I feel bad for Tristan
You can see the life leaving his eyes when he realized that xd so painful
@@IForgetWhatISay that is not what he said
@@247gamer6 he did not just meet these girls online. They were his girlfriends that he knew prior to starting the business
@@247gamer6 how exactly do you know he tricked them into sex work? If we’re going by the video that everyone is talking about, he specifically said that he told them the truth upfront of what he was trying to do. What part of that is that tricking them? I don’t understand
"If andrew tate was christian would you be defending him?"
"... yep"
lmao this guy is delusional
I think its worse. I think he meant it, but only to say he would defend Tate regardless of religion. Imo thats even more simp like and shameless.
inshallah my brothers, lets rise up against the evil capitalists
I guarantee if Tate were Christian Daniel would use him as an opportunity to crap on Christianity.
@@Pancakegr8 what are your reasons for making that claim?
He definitely wouldn't be bothered about him at all. All Muslims I've spoken to are now on Tates side all of a sudden. I wonder why.
I listened to this live and I really enjoyed the fact that Daniel could not and would not answer the questions posed by Destiny. He's definitely gonna need to see a doctor with the broken ankles he sustained from the amount of pivoting he did.
Destiny does this as well
@@24kNick Destiny was pivoting, but pivoting from terrible arguments like "Were MLK's charges politically motivated or not??"
the level of delusion you must have to actually think this blue haired willy wonka won this debate LOL
Do you mean... he was doing the classic "retreat and pivot"?
He answered what an NFT was though.
Imagine spending hours researching a topic only to have your opponent show up and not know a single thing 😂.
I 5hink he is 8nntje spectrum
Which research? Watch Vice Documentary as research. Any way who watch people with Blue hair and take them serious? Lol. Clowns world.
Guess thats how R. Dawson felt when he DESTROYED Lestiny on their debate, actually it was more like Lestiny getting 2 hour of geopolitical and history education for free!
@heisenburger
Destiny won objectively
@@G_Singh222 what destiny lose boy
What's funny is Daniel actually thinks he's making legitimate points
No he knows he is full of shit he is like that I’ve seen a lot of his debates
What isn’t funny is how many people think he won the debate
This is what being forced to side with certain opinions because of a religion does to your brain, you have to agree with the dumbest stuff.
destiny lost this debate so bad, he talks about how coercion and being exploited is emotional yet don't care when pornstars like mia khalifa talked about it on porn company just to prove his point. Destiny also lied multiple times.. "Andrew tate SAID he will throw girls on the window" yet when cited talked about a police women saying it.
They get taught to speak with confidence & the world will bend.
"you can't cite any evidence cause it doesn't exist!"
Female Debater: "Here's a large amount of cited evidence and testimony"
"Well I don't like this evidence."
Some people just can't take a woman seriously. Especially when they have blue hair.
This is one of Destiny's best debates in quite a while. Prepared, articulate, pointing out the ramblings of the opponent. Pausing Factorio = Destiny at his full power.
It's because he lost an in-person debate to Daniel before, so he made sure not to mess around this time - and on such an easy topic this time too
@@dodge5804 Muslim vs liberal debate just search up destiny versus Daniel
@@scaryjoker which debate are you talking about? can't be 'Does Liberalism Require Domination of Islam?' - so which one was it?
@@kiikinaarnawel305 They agreed to a topic beforehand.
The factory must be built
This felt like Destiny barged into a maternity ward, and started debating a child fresh out of the womb.
Don't insult a new borns intelligence.
As a Muslim man it's fine to celebrate if someone converts to Islam but to put him on a pedestal and defending him as if he is some modern prophet a when he has not devoted any time or energy to covert his life style
Yh. This was so hard to watch. "Maybe these are the standard business practices of cam girl business"... what?
@@Earthad23 Is it not by degenerate westerners?
Sadly Muslim community is much harsher on people born as Muslim than individuals who convert. People like Andrew who continue to sin like drinking premarital etc after converting and brag about it are put on a pedestal however Muslims who sin ever so slightly are judged very harshly by the community. Even though as much as people don’t like to admit it all Muslims sin some are just better at hiding it than others.
@@sakuranatsuni5838 no I believe he stopped drinking actually. But yeah the rest is true
Muslim and I agree. It's disgraceful the mental gymnastics some Muslims are doing to support Tate
This is one of the most lopsided debates Destiny has ever had. He absolutely steamrolled him on every single point.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
inshallah daliban, may stephhen reaps the oats of a hundred children
Pretty much I mean the dude's argument is basically if there is some level of dishonesty and deception between an adult content creator and viewer or between two people having sex then it should also be sex trafficking or that because it's not considered sex trafficking then what tate did was just fine
It's like saying people should be charged for theft for stealing a pen from work the same way a robber should be charged for stealing millions of dollars from a bank or that the robber shouldn't be charged because the employee didn't when he stole the pen
@@redaderoua8816 Great analogy. Daniel doesn't seem to understand the difference between organized crime and petty crime. Big oof there
And like always Daniel will make doctored videos claiming he won. Fuck Daniel Pikachu
I'm a criminal lawyer and just that first clip of Daniel told me that listening to this would be a huge waste of time. Thanks editor.
lol for real
Yeah... Very little actual legal analysis going on here. Props to Destiny (not a lawyer) for actually citing the statute under which Tate was charged, knowing the elements of that offense, having some understanding of the individual terms within each element, and applying the available facts to those elements. No engagement whatsoever from his opponent.
@@flemjam Destiny might not be a lawyer that's true, but you do acknowledge the fact that Destiny is a girls name?
@@asmbeats5369 jlp is that you?
The fact that he's citing "due process" as an inalienable american right that applies to anyone on the planet, while not being sex trafficked somehow isn't because americans forcing their laws on other countries which is the only reason a country wouldn't want a british people aren't allowed to hold a whole untaxed slavery ring inside their country.
It's hilarious how Daniel simultaneously believes every word that comes out of tates mouth, but also doesn't believe them cause he's a "character"
Cuz he is in a character........
There's a clip of him saying he could split the rarths core with his bear hands, u seriously telling me u can watch that and somhow tell urself its not satire ?
@@Ceoofedging what about the clip where he admits the everything he says is how he truly feels
@walrusguydude996 could also be a part of his character. He also said he had a 50% chance to beat a white shark in the ocean with his bear hands.
@@franklingoodwin I can see why u take this $hit seriously, clearly u don't know what sarcasm and jokes are 💀
@@ggrogan there's a clip of him admitting to kidnapping woman then forcefully flying then over seas then forcing then to make p0rn ?
Wow plz show me, cuz tge last time I checked even the victimes called this entire thing bs 💀
conspiracies are awesome because you can feel like a genius, truth sayer, and rebel when you're just making shit up lol
Except now it seems most conspiracy theories are actually turning out to be true
Fr if Andrew was leaking info of the matrix they would literally just send assassins to take him out instead of making up an entire trial
@@sandersGG lmao fr send in some hit squad of 6 and hes outa there
@@kamii_999 yep
@@sandersGG not how it works but anyways his part of the "matrix " himself
I can't believe this Daniel guy claimed that intentionally witholding a person's passport when they are in a foreign country isn't coercion because they're free to try to ask for help or tell the police. I hope he was being facetious there or he's actually insane.
Neither, he just doesn't actually believe anything he says. He just talks online because he likes the attention.
He is a rape denier,,, he will say she can close her legs
@@giodroid27 It's pretty standard fare for immigrant labour in SA and other oil rich undemocratic countries. Some of stories are horrific.
I very much doubt that he was being facetious.
@IIOO lmao what?
"How can you take evidence from the prosecution as evidence?" Imagine if the court was like "well, you're the prosecution so how can we take any evidence you have as evidence"
Imagine being a lawyer and saying your client is innocent because the government is a bad actor and one time they attempted to ruin a civil rights leader. It's really really disconnected. The judge would ask for evidence that this is happening in this case, like photos, documents, papers, recordings, etc. This is what Destiny is requesting, and the Daniel guy really thinks that the history is evidence.
1st off the lawyer doing that shit would quickly find himself under review of the lawyer association, and 2nd , no lawyer would do that, unless they're a crazy ideologue using the trial to push some narative to the wider society.
@@hamzarehan1838 Its evidence of Tate's criminal organization threatening the workers.
I think that was done many times in court.
@@hamzarehan1838 I don't know Hamza, did bin Laden personally fly the planes into the buildings?
Sometimes evidence comes in multiple steps like a chess move. Some cases are complicated.
The funniest part by far is when destiny realized he didn’t know anything about the facts of the case
Wtf?
@@hobes9799 I assume they meant the competition didn't know anything when he stated he was unfamiliar with the police officer arrested with Tate. Not that destiny knew nothing.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 oh ok...i can understand that, thank you for clearing that up :) sorry Nikolas if that's so
There is no facts of the case. Just bunch of Vice Documentary talking point. No charges has been filed. Only speculation now
Daniel: opens up debate by saying a 15 year old can’t consent
Tates first girl was 15 when she was first trafficked
Daniel: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that
Later
Daniel: what you think these women are childlike and cant understand what’s going on?
Well honestly… quite a few were literally children my dude
Mfw he literally implies that if they didn’t attempt a potentially lethal escape that they must not have felt trapped
Well Muhammad raped a 9 year old, so I wouldn't hold out hope that Daniel sees that as a problem.
Yeah dude, I just got there and that last bit is insane. You can absolutely entrap someone without explicitly threatening them/touching them. Now, it's super hard to prove (which helps prevent false charges), but body language and coded language can absolutely be considered entrapment. The problem is you would need others to testify/admit to doing this.
Huh?
@@echospace7347 huh to who?
Nice try liberals😂she was 16 and he was 21, in europe, many countries the legal age is 16.
My guy wants to ban pornography but he is defending a possible cam business... Ok guy
yup
The religious only have double standards
@@CEWIII9873 as a muslim. Daniel is definitely delusional and should not be apart of the muslim community. I feel like andrew is not actually muslim. But he said he is muslim to get easily fooled people to support him.
Yeah in his debate with Inspiring Philosophy he said that its ok to take a 7 yr girl for your sex slave 😅😂@EsotericHeretic
Specifically a sex trafficking cam business
Daniel was coping so hard throughout this entire debate
@@holorenSHORTS Same goes for Destiny
at least he wasn't strawmaning the whole time like Destiny
@@nadermanna name a strawman kid
@@nadermanna name 3 example and I'll cashapp you 5 bucks.
@@armaan1091 who are you
Everytime Daniel smiled thinking he was doing well was just precious
He found the whole situation of human trafficking funny... These people don't belive in rape they would say a 5 yrs old asked for it.
@@luciddoggo5094 and those kinda arguments the Nazis also brought to justify gassing the jews since in their Bible it says prophet Isaac of 37 years old married Rebecca of 3 years old!
But WEIRDos (Western Educated Industrial Rich Democrat) never use their brain before judging others!
@@luciddoggo5094 there were no Nazi atheists? 🤔
It's fucking crrrriiiiiiinggggeee literally I'm cringing it's such a punchable face, except I don't wanna have skin contact on any level with him so I'd need a 10 meters-long bat instead
@@justadude9110 What? Where did that come from? How did you get here?
Daniel Haqiqatjou, hands down my favorite bad faith actor, describing the sort of abuse he’d consider sex trafficking as if he hasn’t openly advocated for Islamic sex slavery during a prior Modern Day Debates appearance.
Tam Khan is also dubious
He never advocated for sex slavery
@@umaryusuf537 judging by how he looks he kinda needs it tho.
How dare you call his faith bad!? Ya 'iilhi!
@tylerbanns9515 your not making a argument
This Daniel guy. Along with everyone else defending Andrew Tate actually do a great job in moving me further towards His guilt. They absolutely stink at providing anything that would lead me to doubt him being a Trafficker. I’d respect them 100x more if they had any ounce of Humility.
Have no idea if he is…just hate conspiracy theories ..
That isn't how the law works lmao
Logic would state that Andrew Tate could only be "a trafficker" if there was evidence . What evidence has been presented ? What evidence are YOU presenting ?
It's amazing to believe that people are convicted, based on 'feelings' .
Please don't talk about humility when you have no sincerity .
@@nobody.6451 Not based on feelings. Destiny does a great job explaining this. It's not "just feelings." Legal precedent has shown that someone feeling like they have no options is the same thing as them not having options, if they've been manipulated to think that way. The trafficking evidence has been presented, there's texts, plane tickets, and Tate's own words.
I don't know about the other defenders, but if Daniel's logic is too high, idk what to say man lol
I was watching live and my absolute favorite part was the q&a portion in the end where a viewer asked “Daniel, if the accusations about the Tates are true would that change your opinion of them?”
And instead of answering yes or no he went on a 5 minute rant about Julian Assange lmao
Assange is also a rapist
or brought up a literal hollywood interpretation of sex trafficking
Imagine a well known whistleblower known for uncovering US war crimes being compared to some goofy ass redpill RUclips streamer lmao
@@itscebby8882 That's the manosphere for ya. A cult for the worst influencers you can imagine. Men are too darn easy to buy, you only need to tell them what they want: that they're threatened by women and that you can turn them into rich, super macho douchebags....and they'll worship you as their Lord and Savious forever after.
Truly a microcosm of the entire debate
One critical issue I see Daniel, Sneako, and other Red Pill Tate fans have in trying to understand the definition of “sex trafficking” is they don’t seem to notice or understand the use of “OR” in the definition. They seem to think it’s “and” with the components and believe it has to be all of that definition. That’s not what it says… It says “OR” and there are fairly clear legal standards defining what the range is for each of the terms and legal PRECEDENT (previous similar cases) to refer to.
Daniel is against red pill btw
Daniel is anti redpiller he has a video specificly attacking redpill ideology , dont be ignoramus
@@LARESCIV My point still stands. Daniel, whether red pill or not, made the same mistake as the others I mention in this message. He misunderstands “or” in the definition for “and” which is incorrect.
In simpler terms, he seems to believe that you need to prove that someone did all parts of the sex trafficking definition to be guilty rather than one of the outlined attributes. This is the same mistake made by the Red Pill community & Andrew Tate apologists in their arguments about this subject.
So whether Daniel is a part of the community is irrelevant to my actual point.. It’s the same mistake.
@@PPEcon If what AT did is sex trafficking then everytime you do something sexually without asking for permission to do it with the person you arent married with, you are then a sex trafficker too, the definition is obviously too vague to be taken in full as properly defined, this is also why it's thrown around so often, cause it's limits arent precise enough.
@@LARESCIV You are just wrong. The definition is right there. Like is stealing too broad of a definition? what if I drop my wallet and another person grabs it before I can catch it? is it still stealing?
Andrew Tate lured girls by claiming to marry/love them, he took money they earned and lied about it to them.
Like sorry dude but there is no way on God's green earth that you can convince a woman (who had never worked in the sex industry before) to sell her body and then give the vast majority of money to you. Let alone get 70+ women to do this. It's pimping through and through.
Daniel can’t just assume it’s a political hitjob. He needs evidence
Destiny always ends up debating people that can't debate but man this was bad even on those standards. The number logical fallacies that this dude completely fell down over and over again was actually impressive.
The way he basically said that he’s defending him for being Muslim and would defend the women as well but they’re not Muslim and then had no choice but to say so quickly after that he wasn’t defending him for being Muslim just made me cackle when I saw this live because of how many points Destiny made to show that Andrew is not actually Muslim and is at best a bad actor
No one can really tell for sure if he's acting as a Muslim you don't know what's in the hearts, stop being du*b
His talk on rights of women dependant on religion is wrong anyways and its mainly some aspects of rulings with mainly modern conservativism mixed in
You did not understand what he said.. He said that he used to condemned Andrew Tate in the past for his actions that are inconsistent with Islam, but he is defending him today for two reasons, first because he believes he is innocent of the sex Trafficking charge, and second because he is a Muslim
With the same logic, today he condemns the cam girls for their actions that do not agree with Islam, but if in the future they become Muslim and then find themselves in a situation in which they need someone to defend them even though they are innocent, then Daniel will do the same thing, he will defend them because they are Muslims who need someone to defend them. Because they are innocent...
But Daniel never said that he would defend a Muslim despite his being a criminal or not innocent, just because he is a Muslim. Islam forbids defending falsehood and commands telling the truth even if you are going to condemn yourself.
Daniel said that if Destiny was in the same position he would have defended him, because he really believe that there are not evidence to convict Tate with the charge, regardless him being Muslim or not.
He defends his brother in faith for something thats is completely against the faith in itself
@@mmmmohmm I understand perfectly you just tried to expand on the point to make it seem more legitimate but we both agreed on what he said and high is that that is the only reason he is defending him.
Let’s also not skip over the fact he thinks he’s innocent but couldn’t defend Tate out of a paper bag.
God, watching this was an exercise in patience. This guy wouldn’t answer a single question, he kept bouncing around to different topics and ignoring every question asked of him. The only thing missing from this debate was an explanation of what an NFT is
he also would just completely contradict himself and change his arguments while acting like the didn’t over and over again lol this dude is just such a complete dumbass
Destiny should have watched his debates vs the athiest guy/alex beforehand
Being too proud to admit you’re wrong is far more embarrassing than actually being wrong.
Ohhhh hell, I just came from that dumpster fire to this video and the first comment I see is ‘NTF’ 😂😂
@@hamzarehan1838 Sure, sure
Tell me, is that why you peo ple go around sta bbing innocent people as they go on about their business?
it's amazing that all Haqiqatchu's fanboys are bigging him up on his channel for how brilliantly he dismantled Destiny. The cognitive dissonance is incredible over there.
And vice versa
@@rickflose
what do you mean? Do you actually think that Haqiqatchu made any coherent or even relevant points in that debate? He's a clown who is only defending Tate because Tate is a Muslim and he's not bothered by misogyny.
@@bengreen171 yes he did
@@y.o.1207 His only two points were "What Tate did should not be illegal" and "Tate's charges are politically motivated". For the first one its irrelevant in a debate of whether or not what he did _is_ illegal, thats a separate argument if you think yes its illegal but it shouldnt be. The second one he didnt bring any evidence, he threw out 2 or 3 examples of politically motivated charges, conveniently ignoring the thousands of people arrested for rape each year who are legitimate rapists.
@@y.o.1207
to add to what Tony rightly pointed out, Haqiqatchu's only real argument was a pretty pathetic 'what about the western porn industry'. Totally irrelevant and deeply misunderstanding the western porn industry.
One of my biggest pet peeves with debates is people crying or screaming about getting interrupted then continue to interrupt other people over and over again.
It's so frustrating when people that freak out or make a point of calling out getting interrupted will turn around and interrupt themselves
If I can I would record them interrupting and play that clip right back at them when they complain about being interrupted. The lack of self-awareness man
Comparing Andrew Tate to Emmitt Till is a bold strategy
Emmitt was the pimp back in the day.
Well they're both world champion kickboxers.
@@flyingh3adhigh what do you mean by that
Emmett Till was a kid Dummy
His Dad well .......
@@Caesarsinclairjr17 Emmet did have 6 Bugghatis
This debate was actually disappointing. Destiny did so much research on this stuff and Daniel didn’t talk to him about one good point.
Surprised there aren't more comments on this. Not even halfway through right now and not sure there's any point finishing.
This is literally all of Destinys debates. This goes back years and years of debate. Heck even the Jontron debate was like this. Destiny has been saying that it is very frustrating that almost all of his debate opponents have not done even a small amount of research.
@@RanEncounter It makes sense. Destiny's style where he hammers the fact that he has the dominant point from an evidence point of view is a minority take. Unless you hammer that really, *really* well, the fact that you have evidence is only one small part of the larger argument to sway opinions, and rhetorically having facts isn't very convincing by itself.
Research? You meant watch Vice Documentary on Tate? I'm done with these Blue hair people. We're ling in clowns world.
@@groundtrader173 did you watch the research stream lmao? do you have brain dmg? His research was quite extensive, and made it quite reasonable to assume andrew is guilty
Loved this debate between Destiny and a Brick Wall 😭😭
A tomb roof
i dont know whos dumber destiny fans or destiny
@@dropshipincanada idk, but you definitely went out of your way to find my 7 day old low upvote count comment so the dumbest one of all is prob you 😭
@@powerofheeho the fact that you actually got triggered and wrote entire paragraph shows a lot 🤣
@@dropshipincanada where do you see I'm triggered? i wrote 1 sentence? wow you really have a refrigerator temperature's IQ lmao
I think I sprained my medula oblongata when I tried to do the mental gymnastics required to compare Andrew Tate to MLK.
😂😂
Man. For a split second I thought it meant he is literally debating Tate. A man can dream. A man can dream.
It’s just crazy how “blue haired, they/them” is their go to insult lol the fact they actually believe it’s offensive is hilarious.
Seriously, how can they say it without being embarrassed?
@@trash3570 again they gotta convince themselves that it’s top tier comedy that you’re just offended by. It’s soooo delusional 😂
1:33:32 here
When Destiny told him how stupid that turban looked I was dying. Daniel was not expecting that
@@TonyCox1351 Not only that but he actually complained with no embarrassment at all. Just amazing.
I will give this guy credit though.. there's not many people who can get absolutely dumpstered in 2 debates previously and still have the balls to come back completely unprepared for a third debate. Kudos
Absolute skull of pure lead, impossible to get any information through it
If you look at his channel, people are praising him and seeing it as him winning. These debates are pointless when it comes to getting to the bottom of things. People are just too biased.
@@rizkiagustian7640 They are not pointless there's always a portion that will support their creator on both sides but there is also a portion in the middle that is undecided (usually 10-25%) who often has their mind made up by the end. You also see some debates stomp so hard occasionally that even a creators audience won't feel good about it and will second guess, with posts saying "I hate destiny... But X did poorly here" etc and vice versa
@@dm_1236 Keep coping I guess lol although to be fair it's not surprising Destiny won the Liberalism vs Islam debate, super soft ball topic. Basically do you want the greatest living conditions the world has ever known, or a superstitious babbling text written by primitive humans who didn't even know germs existed and pretended they spoke to God? Gee what a tough call!
@@dm_1236 how did destiny lose that???? the Muslim literally couldn’t think of a valid reason as to why a Muslim would be oppressed in a liberal government society
I always appreciate the non-sensationalist titles on videos for Destiny's more formal debates, it doesn't boil down the whole video to one emotion Destiny was feeling or one stupid point from the opponent.
Thanks August!
this!
this dude's whole arguments are just "trust me bro" and "people aren't that stupid"
Jesus Christ, every once in a while there's a debate that makes me realize that if I had to do what Destiny does, I'd have probably unalived myself. This is one of those debates. Daniel might be legitimately remedial and I hope that he gets the help that he needs. Maybe a caretaker?
There was a period when Destiny gave up on actually debating people.
Instead, they would call in and ramble and Destiny would respond "okay..." while playing video games the entire time.
I cannot say I blame him
Guys like Daniel make me realize that there's a very fuzzy line between insanity and stupidity. I genuinely can't tell if he's retarded or deranged.
I’m embarrassed for Daniel’s complete ignorance to the case whilst also disappointed for Steven that he put so much effort into the research only to wipe the floor with this guy easily. Why would you debate publicly with so little knowledge?!?
Views. Negative or positive, will show a net gain.
Daniel is a known griefer, only here to promote the "US bad, Islam good" worldview.
If you watch his other debates, he tries to shoehorn "US is bad, because they did these things to muslim countries like malaysia, etc" into everything, even if it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Research is thus completely irrelevant
They genuinely don't realise how little they know. Dunning Kruger gone wild.
Same thing I thought. I don't know how he does it and stays calm with these unprepared know nothing people. On the other side... I love watching it :D
Daniel is pretty much completely ignorant in all of his debating its sort of his trademark move.
Dude's argument is basically if there is some level of dishonesty and deception between an adult content creator and viewer or between two people having sex then it should also be sex trafficking or that because it's not considered sex trafficking then what tate did was just fine
It's like saying people should be charged for theft for stealing a pen from work the same way a robber should be charged for stealing millions of dollars from a bank or that the robber shouldn't be charged because the employee didn't when he stole the pen
1:10:00 that is Daniel's most craziest response that he's done in this whole debate. He says that we have to take people at face value for what they say not moments before he says the Tate is playing a role so we shouldn't take what he says at face value because he's playing a role. That's crazy.
I believe that's a self TKO.
"THERE'S NO BAD MUSLIMS"
Wild! And the way he looked down he had to have known he wasn’t making any sense.
He’s coping so hard
Are you people stupid? Daniel says we should take people at their word and that we shouldn't judge everything Andrew Tate says on its prima facie value BECAUSE Andrew Tate himself has explicitely stated that not everything he says is to be taken seriously. There is absolutely nothing inconsistent about that position.
I will not be surprised, if this Daniel guy ends up in prison for some shady stuff.
wow you know nothing ab daniel LOL
@@netanelohimwarren3629 yea, if you've seen some of his other stuff you'd know it's pretty likely that he will be.
@@mitchellboeck bro are you stupid? I have seen alot of his videos he's a very religous Muslim. Yeah he has some crazy takes but your re*****d if u really think hes a criminal.
@@netanelohimwarren3629 daniel-chan does seem shady
Liberals talking about shady stuff ... wow!
It's not like you people are castrating 3 year-olds and giving pole dancing lessons to 7 year-olds ...
I hate people that base their arguments behind their belief system and then play the victim card when someone confronts them on their belief.
He actually said “she can go out on the street of Romania without a passport and say help me help me” 😂😂😂wtf
After she's been threatened with bodily harm by a Romanian police officer
If she was there against her will being abused and coerced to do things she doesn't wanna do, I don't see why she wouldn't seek help. They all had their phones. They had access to the internet...
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Both phones and the Internet can be restricted and tracked. To say it would be easy to leave is a huge stretch when all we’ve seen is the girls standing outside the gate that was guarded. Whether you love or hate Tate, the lack of common sense was the cringiest thing about the Internet
@@Jolts30 The burden of proof is on the claimant. I'm only questioning the ridiculous claims. Just saying it's possible to restrict those things isn't actually an evidence.
Also, "cringe" and "common sense" are value judgements. Good luck using them in court.
PS: You and Destiny fanboys remind me of the trial scene from Idiocracy. This is actually hilarious.
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Obviously that’s where the burden of proof is….No one’s said it isn’t. 😂 These Tate fans who excuse every possible evidence as “they could obviously leave” or “Tate would never”. Tate did some fucked shit for sure at least from what he’s self reported. Now it’s just what can be criminally proven in court once the 180 day investigation concludes. If there’s absolutely nothing, then Tate fans shouldn’t be worried 😏
This guy is wrong about keeping employees salaries secret. If a corporation demands employees not talk about their salaries with each other, that’s illegal. He’s full of crap.
59:59 “I thought the debate was about Andrew tate?”
😂😂😂😂
Dude opening statement was spent talking about MLK, assange, the fbi, the western world, and later talked about the hub😂😂😂😂.
Don't forget Emmett Till. Can't really compare the likes of Tate to a 14 yro boy getting abducted, brutally mutilated and lynched.
the mental gymnastics tate fans perform is olympic level
Holy shit Daniel figuring out mens rea/motive in real time is crazy to see.
it wasnt murder your honor! she slipped and fell 5times on a knife on the ground while i was holding said knife
This guy seemed REALLY unprepared for how much damning evidence was already floating out there on the internet in this case.
Meh
He did not know it because he did not want to look for it and therefore question his beliefs...
Well obviously the judge wasn't prepared either. Tate's still not convicted with anything. You're obviously wrong about what constitutes evidence. Sucks to be a bigot.
Then why destiny couldn’t show it..
It's so sad you did so much preparation for this then %90 of this conversation just wind-up sounding like an on-the-spot debate with an random Andrew fan
"Destiny Debates Andrew Tate"
Me: 😀
"...with Daniel H."
Me: 😔
Read the whole name of the video guys
How did yall think he was debating Tate? He's in jail.
@Woolwoven You think he would use a jail phone to Debate Destiny?
@@holorenSHORTS lololol
I mean it was clear how this would work after the opening statement. Damn Daniel you get an F for missing the subject of the debate by half a mile.
Damn, Daniel got so defeated when destiny wanted to play the clip. Hilarious
Just so everyone knows, Daniel believes child marriage is a positive good and that you can get married to a 5 year old if she has a medical condition where she went through premature puberty.
Wait, you’re telling me that a guy who glorifies a culture of religious oppression of women will back a guy who glorifies secular oppression of women?
You’re telling me that a guy that views women as lesser and subservient to him will defend a guy that views women as property?
No way man. Crazy…
normally i would roast destiny for playing factorio during a debate but he was so well prepared for this i can’t even get mad
Hiquiqa's opening statement that basically said I condem his actions but as his new Islam brother I HAVE TO DEFEND HIM is essentially the most tribalistic motive you could have when entering a debate regarding accusations against an individual.
Destiny on the other hand doesn't really care that much about Tate either way but knows a lot about him since both him and Andrew are extraordinary internet algorithm boys. But Destiny is coming with facts, proper context, knowledge of the law and of the specifics surrounding the charges
You'd have to be willfully ignorant to not know the "balcony quote" exists. It's incomprehensible that he came to this debate on this, with no knowledge of what the prosecution is claiming their evidence is. He literally hasn't looked into it at all. How could he even have formed a legit opinion?!?!?! Why would you come to a debate about it?!?!?!
"Deception is immoral but it isn't illegal."
- Muslim brother
I’ve made it a point in my life to never use the R slur but Daniel is really pushing it
I know his drip is awful but how dare you imply he looks like a rapper my dude that the highest insult smh /s
Don't denigrate r****ded people by comparing them to Daniel.
@@jakoporeeno4654 why are yall not writing the word retard ?
Steven is back in fine form here tonight. Spitting out facts and holding his feet to the fire. I was getting worried, thinking he may have lost his edge, but nope he just tucked it away until he's finished Factorium
Dyson Spherium.
This was a complete and total annihilation! Been awhile since I've seen someone get crushed this hard.
Same. Daniel is a master debater. Destiny is just the latest to be destroyed, he annihilated Aron Ra and other famous liberals before.
@@noname19816 Ultra cope.
@@noname19816 Aron Ra, liberal? Are you high...
@@noname19816 mega tremendous giga cope
notice how he says " these kind of logs are highly selective" before he even reads it? That's literally his entire problem in one sentence.
Donation: "Do you support CP, Daniel?"
Daniel: "No, pornography goes against the morals of Islam."
Destiny destroyed this cat while playing video games and writing emails , while his opponent was using his very last brain cell lmao
Using your very last brain cells is still not doing much if the grand total of the number of braincells you have is two.
@@aSSGoblin1488 don’t ruin it for me, I want to believe what I said lmao
@@bargaingoldandsilver i take it all back. pardon. 🤣
Destiny is ray-cist. Prejudiced against Daniel due to his skin colour. He was called out on it during the debate
Do people with Blue hair have brain cell? Just asking. I was told people with Blue hair have mental health issues. Just asking
Daniel when he smiles looks like someone you would cross the street to avoid, creepy AF. He is so unbelievably BAD FAITH
59:20 the moment Destiny realizes Daniel has literally no idea what he's talking about is incredible
Tate: "You have to treat the women as equals with a dominating force, especially using your bottom b*tch"
Destiny: "There's that pimp terminology, showing sex trafficking behavior"
Opponent (paraphrase): "how do we know, that THAT isn't the standard, for running a cam business, or any business of sexual nature. Stop targeting Tate"
This guy is running on half the RAM of a 2GB Hard drive. Gawd DAYUM
Guy claims he’s this religious person yet constantly makes copes for prostitution
This is a good point by him.
That's a great point by Daniel actually.
daniel if he was being prosecuted for first degree murder: "Your honor, the prosecution proved that I had the motive and intention to kill that guy, these are subjective states of mind and are worthless. Therefore, I'm innocent of committing first degree murder"
It seems his argument is, "He didn't do it", "if he did do it, it's because the laws are being controlled by America to bring Tate down", "Ok maybe he did that but what is sex trafficking anyway? It could be anything"
damn, Daniel's thesis defense for Tate is fucking outrageous. kinda getting flashbacks of being on killstream.
in the name of allah, fuck these hoes, is basically his main idea. the hell man.
Did my man’s just compare Tate to MLK? 😂
Dude even managed to bring up Emmet Till.
@@b_ail1999 saying whatever to dickride this dude! They’re lost in the sauce man smh
35:11 "Tate is not luring people for marriage. He's shown that he is very interested in marriage because he has multiple wives"
Bro... I died 😂😂😂
In all fairness, a fundamentalist would answer in such as fashion...
I actually think like most of the tate copies and tate himself become Muslims for the multiple wives thing which from most sources heavily discourage having multiple wives since you can't love them the same. This of both Sunni and Shia sects of Islam. I went through a rabbit whole just to find one that says it's okay while find like so many that discourage it.
@@glowtail3744 yup
pretty shallow reason to adopt a religion
@@CEWIII9873 you don't understand how much I had to go through just to find one source on it being okay.
God it was a lot. I'm a muslim as well so like I did the first thing and sourced the quran which then got me going onto a shady website to get that one peice of evidence supporting it.
@@glowtail3744 I have my bones to pick with Islam, although there are aspects I respect, but it is galling to me that we have this
"soft" Islam where anyone can say anything, do anything and conduct themselves in whatever manner, say they are "Muslim" and other Muslims defend them!
I miss the hardcore Muslims from the Bush era...
Muslims to each other on a daily basis: Hypocrite, you don't know Allah
Muslims when a con artist with actions completely against Islam: he's my brother I love and support him
Destiny nailed it, the next stage of Tate defense was people saying what he’s doing isn’t human trafficking.
"now we are told that women are like children" BRO THEY LITERALLY WERE CHILDREN 🤣😭🤣
Idk why people defend Tate. You can argue the semantics of each crime in general but in relation to Andew, that boy did the bad stuff 😂
he did bad stuff and admitted it on his own to his audience, people like him because he is straightforward and nobullshit. he tells it to young men as it is because nowadays they are being cuddled and someone has to wake them up and put them back on their purpose.
you all like celebrities and influencers which 1 of them have not done something questionable or borderline illegal? the way you guys behave like you are pure and are without sin is pathetic, your enemies won't show you the same grace when they try to cancel or deplatform you or cancel you out of your livelihood.
I just like the dude. I hate the cringe fanbase like 11 year old boy yelling at woman = funny, but Andrew is genuinely hilarious. He is literally playing a character to all of your faces, there is tons of video of him and his brother just hanging out, traveling, etc in vlog form and watching those was like watching the best vlog RUclipsr the site has to offer. He has a good sense of humor, he is quick whitted and can hit punchlines reliably. Obv if tate traffics girls fuck him but there is due process. My opinion will be made after the trial. And it’s not a good look for people to shit on him/ act like he’s guilty just as a rule of thumb of how people should be treated in legal battles publicly. You ask “why do people defend tate”, because he is just as guilty for this crime as you are. Until the trial is over it is braindead to make opinions
Ehh it’s more due to allegedly or gray area or on the flip side of innocence or lack of context
It’s so funny that all his stans basically say “yes okay, he did those things, but..” 💀
@@gixch we all know it’s a character
I try not to be too inflammatory, but its actually crazy to me how guys like this LITERALLY dont see women as people, it blows my mind
Daniel seems to be intentionally conflating being FOUND guilty with PLEADING guilty. Also, by doing this, he is in fact poisoning the well.
It's painful to see when Destiny realizes Daniel knows nothing, he put it all the effort for a guy like this
The second he started an intro with a prayer I knew this was gonna be hilarious
Very liberal of you 👍🏼
Excellent video title, very accurate, very truthful.
Yeah, this was exactly what i was looking for ..
Took me 2 seconds of thinking to realise I was clkck baited and that's 2 seconds and a click I'll never get back. Down vote this video to hell
It's accurate, but super misleading.
Like 'destiny debates abortion with your mom'.
Lmao, how else would they title it?
@@Alienxmilk Destiny Debates Daniel Haqiqatjou on Andrew Tate
I hate people that interrupt.. interrupt.. and interrupt.. then say “don’t interrupt me” trying to make the other person look bad for letting you interrupt them. That’s crazy