Not a bad album "per se": it just had the bad luck to come after Somewhere in time and 7th Son! But if you listen to some randomic playlists of maiden (I mean with songs not ordered by timeline), tracks from No Prayer do not seem so bad in the end.
@@TheChadTI Yes, he was. I have albums of Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Black Sabbath and Whitesnake that Martin Birch produced. He was such an amazing producer.
@Richie Simons true, did you know however, that mother Russia is considered the song that pushed a lot of bands into the goth metal genre. It has a great rock feel to the songs though.. mother Russia though was very gothic
Indeed...but what else would they say after he decided to leave 🤷♂️. Adrian's solos are little songs by themselves, very memorable....master musician.
That transition at 1:33 with Martin saying “Janick’s more off an aggressive player” and then they pop up that silly video of him playing a toy guitar in a pool made me chuckle hard. So glad they added Jan, seriously. He brings so much to the table and established himself as a masterpiece composer in the band. Love this era
Jan is a GREAT songwriter and a good guitarrist on studio albums, my """problems""" with him are: 1 - his guitar tone which I absolutely hate (Adrian, on the other hand, has THE BEST guitar tone in heavy metal!); 2 - he's INCREDIBLY sloppy live...in spite of his attempts to counteract this sloppiness with his awesome stage presence, which I love, I hate when he butchers Adrian's former solos...all in all, still a great addition to Maiden...I think the three guitars line-up works incredibly well
I kinda get why maiden went basic for abit. Must have been a relief to do things simple for a while after years of over the top gigs and records. Best band of all time!
I think many bands have reacted with a "basic rock album" after a "perhaps too pretentious rock album". metallica with the black album went that way somehow I think. it's not the way I personally like, I think basic is magic when it is what it is, basic, and not thought to be basic. anyway thanks for commenting and sorry for being late, please subscribe for more stuff and iron maiden debate! :-)
@@HangTheDjTVthat's a great point. I really like that. Being basic for the sake of being basic is just as bad as being complicated for the sake of it, or speed for the sake of it etc
I love this album also. It reminds me of Piece of Mind in its approach. This was the last of their straight forward albums. Although I am happy with the present Maiden, I love what they did with this album. It is a vital part of their catalog...a beast of an album. I just listened to this album 3 times today, back to back, while riding my bike here in Japan....by the sea.
Piece of Mind?! Not even close! Their last straight forward album was Seventh Son of a Seventh Son! And No Prayer For the Dying was far from a vital part of their catalog! They haven't played ANY of the songs from that album for MANY YEARS!
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Very underrated album. I really like the raw sound and even the No. 1 hit single was fun. It was so different from 7th Son which is why it got so much hate. It's a solid album but maybe only for connoisseurs.
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Man if Adrian’s solos were just put in there this album would have been flawless. Adrian Smiths always been my favorite guitarist in Maiden and he’s in my top ten of all time. Just wish he would have at least been on this one.
In truth Martin Birch felt rather uncomfortable and uneasy recording with the mobile unit in Steve's barn. He obliged to Steve's wishes, but both he and Rod Smallwood were not happy with the decision. So was Dickinson. No Prayer is a great album, but the production indeed is much less good than the previous albums.
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The issue with this record was no Adrian Bruce changed his vocals (I didn’t mind) But mainly it followed seventh son which was a lose lose They couldnt top that so changing course was a smart choice at the time
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Adrian didn’t want to go backwards … hence why he left … this album was “ok” and I’m one of the biggest Maiden fans alive. The stripping down things really didn’t work out well …. But where they missed Adrian the most is in his lyrics and song writing.
Janick brought an amazing energy to this album. It’s definitely more frenetic than the composed style of Adrian. I’m in hog heaven with all three of these guys in the band. I love them all, they all bring something very special to Maiden.
I don't think Steve is running Adrian down at all. Janick was used to being the sole Guitarist in White Spirit and Gillan so was used to doing solos. All Steve said was Adrian initially was more rhythm and harmony which in his book he talks about being a front man in Urchin he was happy doing. Joining Maiden he had to quickly adapt and play more solos which he did brillianty and as Steve said he was a great songwriter and backing singer. Hardly doing him down.
@@gazelliott2414 Unfortunately that's what being the controlling person in a band is about at times, you're trying to hold together a vision it often involves being a bit of a control freak, when someone lets you down it feels personal.
This interview always bothered me, where they're discussing Jannick vs. Adrian. I appreciate that Jannick was the new guitarist and they need to move on from Adrian, but Steve's comment that Jannick was more of a "natural lead player" hasn't aged well for me. While I hear Jannick's leads as somewhat on-the-edge and scrappy, Adrian's leads are all virtually perfect - memorable and singable. The perfect complement to Dave's on-the-edge bluesy rips.
Probably another case of "if you pay me enough I will agree with everything you say..." lol as far as Martin Birch is concerned.... I'm sure he would have rather been in the Bahamas lmao
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Here we are years later and the Adrian VS Janick argument is still going. There is NO comparing those 2 because they are 2 different lead players. There, enough said!
Atonal isn't the same as out of key. He's more of a noise maker, but I'd rather have that different style in there than both guitarists sounding exactly the same. Also "better" is subjective.
@@davidoriordan1393 Yeah. And Nebula Rain clearly don't know what he's talking about, because Janick's guitar playing sounds more like Dave's, although much sloppier. Adrian's guitar playing is in a more blues sounding way. Janick is a Dave wannabe. So he's basically saying that he rather wants a Adrian and Dave duo than a Janick and Dave duo. 😂
This was where I lost interest in maiden. Janick was sounding too much like Dave, And in my opinion vastly inferior to Adrian. And who knew eh, Adrian said the sound they were going for was a step back. Thats what I thought too.
Yeah, apparently Steve wanted to go back to the more ‘raw sound’ of earlier albums ‘cause they were getting mixed reviews on their ‘prog’ sounding albums (SIT and Seventh Son) 🤷🏻♂️
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I love Steve Harris but he did talk some bollocks after Adrian left. For me, Adrian’s solos were the most carefully crafted and melodic in the band and while I think Dave is technically as good, Janick isn’t anywhere near. Just my opinion.
Adrian wasn’t a natural lead player???!!! On Killers he plays fantastic solos and they are ALL a million times better than ANY of Janick’s sloppy messes.
I've been a Maiden fan since 1982. No Prayer for the Dying was a horrible album. That's just my opinion, everyone is entitled to one. First song was good and it went way downhill from there. The tour was fantastic. Fear of the Dark wasn't much better. There's a reason why Bruce left. The song writing returned on X Factor and Virtual XI, and of course Brave New World is simply epic.
Lol! There's worse songs on the X Factor and Virtual XI! And by the way. Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter is the ONLY Iron Maiden that had ever reached number 1 on the British music charts!
Next to worst album (worst being Final Frontier) for me. Production was the worst, Steve is kidding himself here. Also hear the excuses for the sound issues. Bruce wasn't happy either. Thank god they got much better yet again.
Nope. The X Factor and Virtual XI were the worst Maiden albums of all time! (Fact) The Final Frontier is the best album after Brave New World in the 2000s! (In my opinion).
@@thewildbruce5612 nah mate, the X Factor is a masterpiece. Virtual is admittedly weak but Futureal and Clansman are decent. Brave New World is Excellent. Final Frontier is just sub par.
I love "No prayer for the Dying"!
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Not a bad album "per se": it just had the bad luck to come after Somewhere in time and 7th Son! But if you listen to some randomic playlists of maiden (I mean with songs not ordered by timeline), tracks from No Prayer do not seem so bad in the end.
Adrian adds such an important dynamic and creativity to the band he, was sorely missed in their middle period
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I totally agree with you! Iron Maiden was much more metal with Adrian! He was sorely missed in the 90s.
Man. I miss Marvin. Can't believe he's been gone for over a year now! RIP Martin Birch. You were the greatest producer of all time. 😔
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Martin added a warmth and dynamic to Maiden that Kevin S just can't capture. My opinion.
He was wasn't he? So great.
@@TheChadTI Yes, he was. I have albums of Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Black Sabbath and Whitesnake that Martin Birch produced. He was such an amazing producer.
Are you talking about Marvin Gaye??😂😂😂
Always loved this album, I loved how it was raw and yet amazing..
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@Richie Simons true, did you know however, that mother Russia is considered the song that pushed a lot of bands into the goth metal genre. It has a great rock feel to the songs though.. mother Russia though was very gothic
Adrian “wasn’t sort of a natural lead player when he joined?!!” Could be, I guess; Adrian is one of the best hard rock/metal soloists of all time!
Indeed...but what else would they say after he decided to leave 🤷♂️. Adrian's solos are little songs by themselves, very memorable....master musician.
His solos for me were the most absolute memorable and thought out, I mean dang.
Up the Irons!
Underrated as hell this album !
I love it
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I was quite disappointed upon hearing it. But wasn't surprised either. With Adrian gone.
Hooks in You as a single? That would have been awesome
No prayer for the dying has always been my favorite Iron Maiden album and always will be.
Wow.
liar
do you use drugs ???
That transition at 1:33 with Martin saying “Janick’s more off an aggressive player” and then they pop up that silly video of him playing a toy guitar in a pool made me chuckle hard.
So glad they added Jan, seriously. He brings so much to the table and established himself as a masterpiece composer in the band. Love this era
Masterpiece player? He some great songs to his name but he’s not as good as Dave and Adrian. That’s just fact
@@zenvultra NOTHING involving someone’s appreciation of a manifestation of art is a “fact” my friend
Jan is a GREAT songwriter and a good guitarrist on studio albums, my """problems""" with him are: 1 - his guitar tone which I absolutely hate (Adrian, on the other hand, has THE BEST guitar tone in heavy metal!); 2 - he's INCREDIBLY sloppy live...in spite of his attempts to counteract this sloppiness with his awesome stage presence, which I love, I hate when he butchers Adrian's former solos...all in all, still a great addition to Maiden...I think the three guitars line-up works incredibly well
I kinda get why maiden went basic for abit. Must have been a relief to do things simple for a while after years of over the top gigs and records. Best band of all time!
I think many bands have reacted with a "basic rock album" after a "perhaps too pretentious rock album". metallica with the black album went that way somehow I think. it's not the way I personally like, I think basic is magic when it is what it is, basic, and not thought to be basic. anyway thanks for commenting and sorry for being late, please subscribe for more stuff and iron maiden debate! :-)
@@HangTheDjTVthat's a great point. I really like that.
Being basic for the sake of being basic is just as bad as being complicated for the sake of it, or speed for the sake of it etc
that was a consequence of the blood grunge! glad that crap went away pretty quickly.... nu metal is still around!
I love this album also. It reminds me of Piece of Mind in its approach. This was the last of their straight forward albums. Although I am happy with the present Maiden, I love what they did with this album. It is a vital part of their catalog...a beast of an album. I just listened to this album 3 times today, back to back, while riding my bike here in Japan....by the sea.
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Piece of Mind?! Not even close! Their last straight forward album was Seventh Son of a Seventh Son! And No Prayer For the Dying was far from a vital part of their catalog! They haven't played ANY of the songs from that album for MANY YEARS!
Still remember the first time I heard the album
Great times
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Incredibly curious of your reaction and feelings upon hearing this when it was released!
I remember seeing them on this tour, Victoria Hall Hanley, it was amazing, still the best gig I have ever been to.
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Running silent running deep.. lov it .. smith + Dave . Is the best..🇦🇺 iron tomo G.Day irons.......
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Very underrated album. I really like the raw sound and even the No. 1 hit single was fun. It was so different from 7th Son which is why it got so much hate. It's a solid album but maybe only for connoisseurs.
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Excellent album, stripped down, more rock-oriented with some great songs including one of my all time favourites from IM, Hooks in You.
It's a kick ass record and it got me into maiden and metal.
Great album
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Rest In Peace Martin.❤️
RIP
no prayer is such a fun rocking album
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@@HangTheDjTV I'm sorry but The Assassin was terrible. That awful chorus for one.
I absolutely LOVE this album!!!!
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@@HangTheDjTV no
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dude 8th album and STILL years away from some really killer albums!
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Steve has looked 46 for 40 years
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He was about 34 in this clip 😂
Hes looking his age now.
Man I miss Martin producing/engineering.
He definitely was the sixth member.
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He retired too early. 1992- Fear Of The Dark was the last one. Unless he done the couple live albums after I’m not sure.
Man if Adrian’s solos were just put in there this album would have been flawless. Adrian Smiths always been my favorite guitarist in Maiden and he’s in my top ten of all time. Just wish he would have at least been on this one.
Love this album not over blown a proper stripped back album
In truth Martin Birch felt rather uncomfortable and uneasy recording with the mobile unit in Steve's barn. He obliged to Steve's wishes, but both he and Rod Smallwood were not happy with the decision. So was Dickinson. No Prayer is a great album, but the production indeed is much less good than the previous albums.
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Seen them 8 times on this tour uk
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That was 30 years ago but Steve Harris looked the same as he is today 😆
Hasn't changed hairstyles or choice of apparel at all
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Yeah, he almost did not age at all. Some wrinkles here and there but he still looks the same as in the 80s and the 90s.
Look again, hes looking his age now.
@@deadlynightshade1658haa, no way. Hes looking his age now. And fer good reason, hes worked his arse off .
The issue with this record was no Adrian
Bruce changed his vocals (I didn’t mind)
But mainly it followed seventh son which was a lose lose
They couldnt top that so changing course was a smart choice at the time
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RIP Martin “Juggler” Birch you will be always remembered!!
Saw this tour. Birmingham NEC, Anthrax supporting
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"Mr. Steve Harris Very Nice.."
🎸🤘🤘🤘👍👍👍
RIP Marvin
I miss his touch in the modern maiden records
HOOK IN YOU was originally planned for single? I never knew that!!!
And Adrian Smith wrote it before he left the band in 89'.
have you checked the new Maiden Man video we've uploaded?
@@a.kguitars930 Actually Bruce and Adrian co-wrote it, like they've done with a lot of other Maiden songs.
0:35 Never seen Janick play that blue Charvel guitar (the one next to Steve’s chequered bass)
Adrian didn’t want to go backwards … hence why he left … this album was “ok” and I’m one of the biggest Maiden fans alive. The stripping down things really didn’t work out well …. But where they missed Adrian the most is in his lyrics and song writing.
Adrian was fired, didn't leave
RIP Martin.
RiP.
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Janick brought an amazing energy to this album. It’s definitely more frenetic than the composed style of Adrian. I’m in hog heaven with all three of these guys in the band. I love them all, they all bring something very special to Maiden.
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No. They had much more energy from 1981-1989. After that, they became mellower.
Steve running down Adrian here he is obviously pissed that he left. Knowing how gifted Adrian is.
Yeah there's no need for that. Adrian was and is central to Maiden.
@@garymitchell5899 steve can be an asshole at times same as bruce
I don't think Steve is running Adrian down at all. Janick was used to being the sole Guitarist in White Spirit and Gillan so was used to doing solos. All Steve said was Adrian initially was more rhythm and harmony which in his book he talks about being a front man in Urchin he was happy doing. Joining Maiden he had to quickly adapt and play more solos which he did brillianty and as Steve said he was a great songwriter and backing singer. Hardly doing him down.
@@gazelliott2414 yes but bruce in particular comes off as a complete know it all dick head to me.
@@gazelliott2414 Unfortunately that's what being the controlling person in a band is about at times, you're trying to hold together a vision it often involves being a bit of a control freak, when someone lets you down it feels personal.
This interview always bothered me, where they're discussing Jannick vs. Adrian.
I appreciate that Jannick was the new guitarist and they need to move on from Adrian, but Steve's comment that Jannick was more of a "natural lead player" hasn't aged well for me.
While I hear Jannick's leads as somewhat on-the-edge and scrappy, Adrian's leads are all virtually perfect - memorable and singable.
The perfect complement to Dave's on-the-edge bluesy rips.
oh, yes, actually this album really deserved a documentary. (It was ironic, just in case).
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great and rare stuff… shame it was edited…
if music sounds industrial censorship appears! ;-)
Can I play with my-self.
The prophet stroked his crystal balls.
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Can I play with my nads?
Martin birch god blles you family
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Would be great without CANIPLAYWITHMADNESS every minute.
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Probably another case of "if you pay me enough I will agree with everything you say..." lol as far as Martin Birch is concerned.... I'm sure he would have rather been in the Bahamas lmao
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HI THERE, this is great, would you know what programme that this was recorded for?or even what channel?
Adrian solos were 10 times better than Janick though
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Agree
You can add another 0 to that number.
@@MrDantres Or two 0!
Here we are years later and the Adrian VS Janick argument is still going. There is NO comparing those 2 because they are 2 different lead players. There, enough said!
Adrian leaving - the lineup change with the largest negative impact this band has ever experienced, even larger than Bruce leaving.
Disagree. Maiden was more than any one member.
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Yeah. I totally agree with you. Maiden truly lost their identity, when Adrian left the band. And even more, when Bruce left the band.
I prefer adrian to janik definitely.
Smith > Gers
I dig this album, but did they know at the time that it would be considered their worst album?
Still better than The Book of Souls
@@bernabefernandeztouceda7315seriously? I think you need to upgrade your headphones😂
@@metalEric69 nah, I wanted to say senjutsu
Hardly. The album was almost played entirely live. Fun fact: no prayer was the album with the most played songs live on the tour since Piece of mind
Great album but I don’t need my albums to sound “live”.
Janick’s a more natural lead player?
He can barely solo in key.
Adrian’s lead playing is far better than Janicks.
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Atonal isn't the same as out of key. He's more of a noise maker, but I'd rather have that different style in there than both guitarists sounding exactly the same.
Also "better" is subjective.
Yeah. Adrian is a much better guitar player than Janick will ever be!
@@nebularain3338 “noise maker” isn’t really good enough when you’re playing in a band with Dave Murray and Adrian Smith
@@davidoriordan1393 Yeah. And Nebula Rain clearly don't know what he's talking about, because Janick's guitar playing sounds more like Dave's, although much sloppier. Adrian's guitar playing is in a more blues sounding way. Janick is a Dave wannabe. So he's basically saying that he rather wants a Adrian and Dave duo than a Janick and Dave duo. 😂
This album was extremely disappointing. The beginning of the end really. Gers sucks like a wacuumcleaner.
This was where I lost interest in maiden. Janick was sounding too much like Dave, And in my opinion vastly inferior to Adrian. And who knew eh, Adrian said the sound they were going for was a step back. Thats what I thought too.
Yeah, apparently Steve wanted to go back to the more ‘raw sound’ of earlier albums ‘cause they were getting mixed reviews on their ‘prog’ sounding albums (SIT and Seventh Son) 🤷🏻♂️
Janick was still a pretty good guitarist and a composer actually. But yes, Harris lost the plot completely on this album.
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I love Steve Harris but he did talk some bollocks after Adrian left. For me, Adrian’s solos were the most carefully crafted and melodic in the band and while I think Dave is technically as good, Janick isn’t anywhere near. Just my opinion.
Oh so there's Janicks Gear... ;)
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Adrian wasn’t a natural lead player???!!! On Killers he plays fantastic solos and they are ALL a million times better than ANY of Janick’s sloppy messes.
That being said_ Killers had some songs that were played live for a few years, with far more time to be improved before entering the studio.
Exactly. Adrian brought alot of the prog influence. Think Somewhere in Time. Janick is just awful
1:28 Bullshit mate
I've been a Maiden fan since 1982. No Prayer for the Dying was a horrible album. That's just my opinion, everyone is entitled to one. First song was good and it went way downhill from there. The tour was fantastic. Fear of the Dark wasn't much better. There's a reason why Bruce left. The song writing returned on X Factor and Virtual XI, and of course Brave New World is simply epic.
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why the record gets too much hate, it still has the only bad maiden song: Bring your daughter
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Lol! There's worse songs on the X Factor and Virtual XI! And by the way. Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter is the ONLY Iron Maiden that had ever reached number 1 on the British music charts!
Disaster.
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And one year later they made Wasting Love 😂🤢
Correction: A few years later
That's a good song anyway.
Good song with a killer solo😁
Referring to the mainstream looking music video which Bruce is calling crap here, but then they made one. Song is not bad
@@FroMarty I remember he also said once you can't make metal with synths and keyboards. Then they did Somewhere in time and Seventh son😁
Next to worst album (worst being Final Frontier) for me. Production was the worst, Steve is kidding himself here. Also hear the excuses for the sound issues. Bruce wasn't happy either. Thank god they got much better yet again.
tough times for the band I guess!
Nope. The X Factor and Virtual XI were the worst Maiden albums of all time! (Fact) The Final Frontier is the best album after Brave New World in the 2000s! (In my opinion).
@@thewildbruce5612 nah mate, the X Factor is a masterpiece. Virtual is admittedly weak but Futureal and Clansman are decent. Brave New World is Excellent. Final Frontier is just sub par.
@@PhasebandVirtual XI is better than you think, trust me