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Missing 411 | The Disappearance of Stacy Arras | The Lore Lodge
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2022
- In July of 1981, Stacy Arras was on a horseback riding trip through Yosemite National Park. By the time the trip was over, she was a Missing 411 case. Welcome back to The Lore Lodge…
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As a former 14 yr old girl of the exact same size Stacy was, and as someone who in adulthood has worked with many 70-year old men, I believe that a certain sort of 70-yr old man could definitely overpower Someone of my former teen size.
I’m a 4’10 teenage girl and i’m definitely not petite and my 70 year old grandfather could 100% overpower me. Old blue collar or military men keep that strength a lot of the time even in their old age
Great idea, where did she go? They only ever found her camera lense ?
Yeah, I was thinking the same. While it's obviously not as unbalanced as a teen girl vs. a man in his prime, the old guy easily still have the advantage in terms of pure strength. The girl would have the advantage in speed and endurance, but I don't think it's accurate to make a blanket statement that a 70yo man overpowering a 14yo girl is unlikely.
Of course it's still pure speculation that anything like that happened.
Dude, there are many 70+year old men that could easily over power most adult women and some adult men. Just because someone is older doesn't automatically mean they're physically weak or incapable. The term "old man strength" exists for a reason.
As a male nearing his prime who has done combat sports since I was 15 (13 years), I understand, yeah - there's definitely a bunch of 70 year old men who could best me in contests of raw strength.
Learn to fight - but beware that it will reduce your dating pool because it will intimidate most men. Only men who can fight better will see it as 'pretty cool' - nobody wants to be emasculated lol - alas, we don't always have the luxury of having a better fighter back us up. Best to be competent, fit.
Take comfort in this: Even a 10 year-old boy can generate the force necessary to knock out an adult male.
You'll be out-reached, so learn oblique kicks to keep range and ankle stomps to prevent chase - Very Importantly: *never kick above the belt*, if they can catch your leg it turns into a contest of strength. It doesn't favor you.
You'll also be trying to overcome a range advantage - so you'll be moving into the fire, learn to use your elbows and knees in event that you end up clinched up (Muay Thai as a foundation).
Most importantly, don't trust Women's self-defence classes, they're benefiting from the inbuilt anxiety that weirdos exist.
Learn to strike, and as much BJJ as you can (skill focused but still ultimately strength based unfortunately)
I hold this perspective because my sister in law (brother's wife) was a comptetive kickboxing and karate instructor.
This stuff scares me and my brother so badly that we've raised my little sister to be able to compete with trained fighters.
Ladies, if you have a daughter or a sister, learn to fight so you can train and spare with them yourselves.
Good luck! 👍
When he said, “your mom’s a h*” at the end to whoever is hiding information, it took me so off guard but in the BEST way possible. Also, great intro music!
Really? Juveniles.
@19:40
@@wmluna381 It was probably a Vine reference ruclips.net/video/zPB8KgQ5yoQ/видео.html
@@wmluna381 You alright, kiddo?
@@wmluna381 I agree. It was totally uncalled for.
My girlfriend is a nurse, and she talks about "Old man/woman strength" all the time. Old people can be way stronger than they look.
Very true. When my Grandmother held my hand to get up from a chair, she almost pulled me down!
They also get injured very easily. I can’t believe a 70 year old guy could over power a girl and walk away completely uninjured/un disheveled. 70 year olds in the 80s were often are very well put together, so dirty pants/shirt would probably stand out even on a hike.
Just look at Kreese from Cobra Kai
@@settame1 That depends on how in shape they are, their overall health, strength, etc. It makes sense that he coould overpower ber and them blame dirty pants, being a bit desheveled, etc. on something else. Also if he had knocked her out or something there wouldn't have been any way for her to fight him, so he wouldn't be disheveled
@@settame1so many assumptions. That old guy is the most suspicious person in this case and should have been investigated.
I’m so glad that wendigoon did a collab with you because I would never have found this gem of a RUclips channel. I love this type of content, keep it coming bro
He’s a blessing of a man
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Agree
I AGREE
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My ex-husband, who was a policeman, talked about "old Man" strength. He was surprised that feeble old guys had such strength.
Last thing to go.
My husband talks about this too. Definitely think the old guy could have done this
Also old guys from back in the day are way different than a good bit of older men now. My husband is 13 yrs older than me so 56 and I promise you, you wouldn't believe that if you met him. Works 50 hours a week plays full court basketball, works out so forth and so on. So I'm with y'all about the old guy. You don't just dismiss someone because of age
@@heathermckoy817056 isn't exactly old and I'm the same age as you.
@@whackadoo I agree with statement. So let me rephrase "in my experience where we live if you make it 50 you got one foot in the grave".lol there's no in between here your young then old then dead that what we got! I don't make the rules!
Stacy was a childhood friend of mine. We grew up across the street from one another, walked to school together, went through communion together, spent summers running around, climbing trees, catching tadpoles. All the things kids did in Saratoga in the 70’s. First of all her last name is pronounced Air-us. Her disappearance destroyed her family. Her mother died from the heartache and stress. I have no idea what happened to her I only know she wasn’t an active participant. She never would’ve done this to her friends and family.
My father is 75 and is 6 foot 200+ pounds. He might not chase you down, but if he gets his hands on you most grown men would have problems with him. Don't let age fool you.
The truth is, the files probably contain "details that only the killer would know" and they can't risk letting a book author publish them because then excuses can be fabricated to cover those details. That would indicate to me that (1) they feel sure that she was killed, and (2) the evidence is something that can be deflected if the perpetrator knows about it.
He needs to milk as much BS as he can from an obvious abduction case for the sake of views
Yeah be cause it's them behind the murders
@@mrniceguy3660 milk as much bs from an obvious abduction case? You realize this happened over 30 years ago right? Dont be a moron dude.
it happened over 30 years ago. They arent going to arrest anyone. They have no reason to withold any information.
@@Benji-jj2bg it's not likely, true, but they still have to consider the possibility that they can find the perpetrator. There's no statute of limitations on murder and if they decide to release all the info just because it's unlikely, that can affect investigations in other old cold cases. Lawyers will argue that it implies that there is a de facto statute of limitations on murder.
i think this case has sadly simple answer, 1. mountain lion. or 2. the old man did something to her, but he had som me sort of immunity or power that meant he could not be prosecuted. a similar thing happened in my area, and the reporting was quite similar.
the woman escaped him during his attempted kidnapping/ attack and everyone knew it was him. the police refused to even question him and the news couldn’t publish his name.
his house was attacked and the attacker literally found her hat which he had taken from her. the police still did nothing.
he was a former senator or high level official of some sort, i can’t remember the details but all the 40+ year old people in my area know the story well
My suspicion in this case is that she got kidnapped and the NPS just couldn't find her. Can't be SURE this is the right answer without more info, but it seems to fit the facts.
Perhaps!! It's not so o much federal government !! As individuals with ins ,as reals life you deals with s very everywhere on occasions!! Don't panic about it go too someone else ECT.
You can’t break into someone’s house to find evidence because you can also plant evidence that way. It breaks the chain of custody and someone taking that hat to prove he did it alone made it impossible to prosecute the case.
I think you're reaching heavily on the second part but I feel like a lot of these are due to cougars they take their kills with them so that would explain them not being found. That being said it's pretty rare to be killed by a mountain lion especially for food.
To be fair, my grandpa is 80 and he could definitely overpower a 5'5" 14 year old girl. She could maybe outrun him, but overpower him physically in a fight, not even close. So to say she could overpower a 70 year old man unless he's in top physical condition is ridiculous.
Agreed.
Absolutely
100%
But could he over power her without a scratch?
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Ever notice that people who go missing, are always by themselves. One of the Marine maxims, that we were taught is "One is none and two is one.". Which is what we mean by the Rule of Two. Always make sure that there is at least two of you and that you are NEVER out of sight of each other.
How do you guys 💩?
@@mzlww Find somewhere convenient, dig a Cat Hole with your E-Tool or trowel. Drop trou and take a dump, then bury it. Privacy and sanity, are two things not issued in the Corps.
Some people, like myself prefer the peace and quiet of being alone while hiking. And you're in far more danger in a car anyway, so just getting to the trail head is more likely to kill you.
Honestly if Mr mysterious old man had a firearm, he could make her do pretty much anything or go anywhere. Most people will do literally anything you tell them to at gunpoint, even up to the moment they understand they'll most likely be murdered, they continue to comply.
"Never get taken to a secondary location" was a message my parents engrained in me lol. It's better to be shot where you are then be taken somewhere where something far worse may be waiting for you
@@Slyfoxx Oh absolutely. If they kill you for trying to flee, they were definitely going to kill you later, after doing god knows what else.
@@Ratkill Exactly. You also have a far greater chance of survival if you get shot trying to flee, since they'll probably be focused on escaping, rather than "finishing the job" so to speak. That's considering you'd be in public; If that's not the case then yeah you're kinda sol either way lol
@@KORGOTW that didn’t happen so much it unhappened things that did.
@@KORGOTW That is a completely BS story😂
I hate to tell you this brother, but as someone who does a bit of OSINT from time to time, journalists are often very lazy and just act as stenographers for the police or other orgs. Case in point: for years and years, the aurora theater shooter was associated with the character of the joker. It was believed he had dressed up as the joker, that he had some sort of mark david chapman belief about the movie and was wait8ng to be taken inside it, that sort of thing. Years later we realize this was entirely fabricated. It was made up by the cops. The shooter wore a goofy mall ninja tactical getup, one cop said "he kinda looked like a superhero" to another cop who made some assumptions. One game of telephone later and a cop is telling the press this dipshit kid was dressed as the joker and had some weird obsession with the character.
Anyway, point being: dont get too hung up on veryinor details that can be explained by literally everyone being kinda bad at their job
Very true, we can't forget how incompetent and how malleable human memory is
exactly. this kind of dumb shit happens so much when it comes to reporting and interviewing that everything needs to be questioned multiple times before anyone ever thinks that what is being reported is in fact correct. especially right after anything happens because nowadays the most important thing to the media is being first. not being accurate. and that goes for ALL news organizations. I don't care who it is. they all are in a rush to get their story out first so that they get the clicks and the ad revenue. as far as they are concerned they can put out an update a month later after no one cares any longer and no one is paying attention any longer. which means whatever schlock was reported first is what people believe to be true. and usually it isn't.
It drives me nuts how many otherwise very decent coverage of cases gets sidetracked and distracted by "omg this is different than this report 30 years ago so WHO'S LYING AND WHY" or when some agency doesn't hand over everything with a smile it's "what are they hiding". Much reporting is piggybacking and if one report leaves out or includes a minor detail, whoever copies that does the same. But during any investigation, there are generally a bunch of reports coming out so one person excluding something that is fairly irrelevant isn't some attempt to hide facts. Another point is that witness statements can differ, not only by whoever is reporting the statement but the statements themselves can change, and sometimes quite a bit. A person gives an interview to police but then talks to a local reporter and maybe they've added something that police didn't ask about or they only give a general statement with few details.
As for some of the refused FOIA requests, this idea that they were hiding some serial killer back in the 80s and are still trying to keep it under wraps is kind of hilarious. The most likely reason is usually the one and in this case, I'd go with yes, it got filed under law enforcement but a lot of it is just gone. There was a bunch of agencies working together at a time long before information was centralized and there's probably very little "meat" to it anymore, at least without a good amount of searching. Something no one cares much to do for someone who isn't officially investigating it in the first place. In many cases, it's easier to get the info because it at least happened in one city or area, if not all fell under the same department. But the idea that the national parks service somehow - a group of thousands spread across the entire country and decades of time- is concealing the woods monster or a renegade psychopath with a love of the outdoors or that the parks service themselves snatches someone from time to time to sacrifice to mother nature makes for much better discussion.
The aurora shooting was a DHS FBI mossad collab
@@kcsunnyone oh man! I always wondered when I'd encounter one of you people in the wild! what an honor! So, Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, or are you just on /pol/?
I would understand if they withheld information based on suspicions that a crime took place but wouldn't they specify that there is/was a criminal investigation? Also handheld radios did exist back then so that's a possibility. It really is difficult to narrow down what might have happened without information like the weather data and other stuff.
I also appreciate how you don't just regurgitate what's said in the Missing 411 books and how you try to go directly to the source for information. A lot of people who talk about the stuff you do won't do that and it gives you a lot more credibility imo.
Thank you! We definitely think Paulides is on to something, but it’s equally important to verify.
a couple thoughts I had may explain this. unfortunately as soon as he asked the question of who would take the girl I immediately thought about a young pretty blonde girl out by herself in the wilderness and that there are absolutely sick disturbed people out there who literally hunt for that opportunity and it always ends horribly for the poor girl. which means they may be refusing the freedom of information request because they do suspect a crime took place and they are being really careful about what information is released. the reasons being that if they were to find a suspect they don't want any information out to the public which they could use against the suspect during the interrogation. at that time in America there were an insane number of serial killers and rapists prowling anywhere and everywhere in this country. which brings me to the other reason they don't want any information like that to come out to the public. money. if people were to hear and think a serial killer was stalking a major national park then a whole lot of people would stay away and not visit or camp or anything which would cost the park an astronomical amount of money ahort and long term. short because no one would go while said person was on the loose. and long term because the park would then always be associated with that killer. so keep it as quiet as possible and act like everything is situation normal.
I agree with your second paragraph!!
You often say, “as the crow flies.”
Her is a fun fact, crows don’t actually fly from point-A to point-B in a straight line. They actually follow the routs of landmarks like roads and rivers or even the edges of tree lines etc.
They only fly in straight lines when they are released at sea. In that case they will fly in a straight line to the nearest land.
This explains why |I was always getting lost following people's verbal directions as a child! 😅
I know they didn't think it was feasible that she went swimming or ended up in the water but I still feel like they should've searched the surrounding bodies of water in case she fell in for any reason and honestly just to make the search as thorough as possible because she could still be there and they would never know or care to check for some reason
My guess is that the government lost the requested information and they don't want to admit it because it will trigger an audit or something like that. Government resistence to cooperate with thr public is often just a tactic they use to cover their own Incompetence
For those of you that don't know this information Yosemite National Park has its own armed Federal officers. There is a jail and a federal court house and a full-time judge.
yeah, Park Rangers... are sometimes law enforcement personnel.
Yes. Many government agencies have law enforcement arms. Almost all of them with the exception of the CIA and the FBI are trained at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) in Brunswick, GA. Trust me, they’ve been well trained, just like other federal law enforcement officers.
I was in the area that day Stacy disappeared. I parked my car at Tenaya Lake and hiked to the top of Clouds Rest. It was partly cloudy that day and I noticed just a few hikers. When I got back there was a small helicopter at the parking lot with a few search and rescue people who just got there later in the afternoon. I asked what was going on and they told me they were looking for a missing girl. I really don’t remember seeing any dogs especially bloodhounds. Years later I was in a search and rescue team and got involved with searches with 100 searchers, this time there was just a few so this must have been the start. Outside of finding the search and rescue team and the helicopter there was nothing out of the ordinary I noticed that day.
Is this a confession?
@@zyrrhos huh?
My guess is the FOIA request was turned down because the files either have some kind of unknown (to the public) evidence listed, or it displays incompetence from the police dept and they don’t want to sued by the surviving family.
Yes that’s my hypothesis as well
Whenever the government refuses to release benign information, I tend to think they know exactly what happened, and someone important was at fault.
Out of all the times I’ve been to Yosemite, once and only once, they weren’t conducting a search for someone. And I’ve been going since the early 90s.
Disappearances have been happening there since before it was even a national park. As a matter of fact since my grandma started going there is maybe late 40s early 50s, there is this thing the campers do and have done since she could remember…..everyone in the camp grounds yells out for a little boy named Elmer. It’s eerie….it echos throughout the park….
Elmer was a bear that started that kids game I think that after everyone screamed Let The Fire Fall the kids were all amped and wanted to keep screaming something. Those old traditions are gone in Camp Curry.
the stacys mom intro to a missing persons case 😭😭😭😭
I like the camera angle. your production quality is greatly improving, interesting work as always man
At least Paulides interviews families/witnesses. National Park service wanted at least 2 million dollars to compile the list of missing people so Paulides started compiling missing people in the parks.
I think they might have left the old man's name out at the time because police didn't believe he was a suspect and didn't want a case of vigilante justice
You’re articulate, thorough, added with some appropriate humor and editing, and I appreciate these videos. Thank you
This amazes me how someone can disappear without a trace. I believe the national parks can put out a list of missing people without costing 1.4 million.
Dude, there are many 70+year old men that could easily over power most adult women and some adult men. Just because someone is older doesn't automatically mean they're physically weak or incapable. The term "old man strength" exists for a reason.
especially someone who is clearly pretty active... old people dont just up and decide to start hiking when they aren't physically used to it
Nebraska has had mountain lions for years and tried like hell to cover it up. Game and parks wouldn't budge on it until my classmates parents got pictures of one sitting on their front porch like it owned the place. There had been cattle getting whacked and that costs the farmers dearly. I also remember a time that if you saw one you weren't allowed to shoot it, even if it was causing depredation. I'm not sure but I think that was rescinded shortly after the picture was not only sent to game and parks but circulated through the local community (high school included). Rightfully so if you ask me, that's a hard living to make.
EDIT: I'm from Clay and Nuckolls county. Said sighting was in Clay.
Hell now we got em on license plates lol
Kansas denys it too
One of my grandpa's neighbors (Merrick County) went out to check his pivot with his dog. While he was checking something the dog yelps and bolted back in the truck. The neighbor thought it was odd but wasnt worried. He finished what he was doing and went home. Later he was checking game cameras he had set up and caught a picture of a mountain lion the around the time the dog freaked out. We figure the dog ran across the mountain lion. This was several years before game and parks admitted mountain lions were in Nebraska.
maryland denies it too. Pretty much everyone in western MD thinks theyre there. My dad thinks he saw one off the side of the highway and talking with local hunters they say they've seen them. I could see them being there, lots of deer and wilderness. Coopers Rock WV makes me think there are ones there too
My husband sends me pictures of them outside his workplace at least once a year.
Apparently we got bears, too. They said it was a pig, but from the picture, it had to be a pretty big pig... it was on the eastern side of the state. Sherman, if I'm not mistaken.
I worked emergency dispatch with the NPS as well as 911 dispatch with three county law enforcement agencies. The NPS Public Information Officials are unique in their release of details to the public and the media. They are more tight-lipped. They're on-camera news updates and interviews are vague and they use circular language. We were briefed by incident officials and we left those meetings with intel contrary to what we experienced directly from on the ground personnel.
My daughter is 17 and a lil smaller than Stacy but trained in boxing and Tae Kwon Do. My hubby 69, grandpa 73, our neighbor, and several other men I know, the oldest being 82 could all over power her. All these men hunt, camp, hike. And anytime they're in those environments, they have weapons from various knives to machetes to guns so even if it was a person she could over power, if they have a weapon then....
what ? your husband is 69 and grandpa is 73? what the actual fuck...also 70 years old with a 17 years old daughter like wtf is up with you people ? my sis is 27 and i m 28 and our parents are 51 and 54
When ever I see someone stonewalling on innocuous info like this, I don’t assume conspiracy, I assume they just lost it and dont want to admit that. I’ve done the same thing myself more times than I’d like to admit. 🤷
Great presentation!
That said, as a listener, I don’t get the mystery on this one. A grown man admits to being alone with her, walking for half an hour, then waiting another few hours before alerting people and starting to look for her. The region had multiple lakes around which were not searched. Do I really need to explain what almost certainly happened?
Never assume malice when incompetence will suffice
Kinda have to wonder if it isn't a case of the old man himself not knowing his own age (several elderly relatives of mine would give diffrent answers whenever asked, only one of them could have been considered a sketchy person), but it seems more like poor reporting.
I was thinking the same. It wasn't unusual for elderly not to know their real age or even birthdate
@@theunknownfragment5473 OR... notably... 70, 72 and 77.... this could mean the sources were given something handwritten, that was photocopied, and the info was passed around by people who were NOT actually ever in a position to ask the man.
I think if they search areas that she might have climbed to get pictures of either the camp, valley or sunset they might find something. If I was searching for her I would walk around & look at vantage points that would make good spots to take a picture, that also have potentially dangerous drop offs, ledges or spots that if a person fell would be covered by vegetation or wedged between boulders possibly even the bottoms of any deep canyons where a person could free fall for a long distance.
That intro was fucking wild lmfaooooooo😭
Listening to this man tell a story makes me so grateful for Mr. Ballen!
A newspaper not taking down the name of a person doesn't surprise me at all. I remember when I used to watch Rooster Teeth, they talked about an article done about them where the founders of the company were interviewed, and one of them (I believe it was Matt Hullum) was never named, even though they used direct quotes from him.
Love your videos! This is my favorite format! Really loved that intro. Got my notifications on, can't wait for the next missing 411 video.
Her disappearance is one of the strangest of the past 40 years.
There's a TON of "strangest" disappearances besides Stacy.
@@icantthinkofaname15 you've researched it yourself?
I just found your channel and I absolutely love it. I absolutely love how thorough of an investigation you do on every video you put out. I have learned new things about old cases. Great channel.
Stacy arras is a really strange case. One thing to remember is that paulides does other research, and I don't always trust what they release on file. So whilst the lens cap isn't an important detail don't rule out so quickly that it wasn't found. Saying that I dont think paulides gets everything right either.
The older man was mean to be her grandfather from what I recall. But memories hazy
An excellent video, you are so thorough with finer details 🧐👍
I’m trying to figure out where the mention of a lens cap being found crept into the narrative. In M411 Western US pg 119-121 Paulides cites Butch Farabee who wrote no clues were found. Paulides also states the most logical destination that Stacy was hiking towards being the Sunrise Lakes. There is no mention of a recovered lens cap here…maybe he stated this elsewhere? I have heard that detail many times but now you’ve got me wondering where it was first claimed 🤯
My wife is a nurse/caretaker and she has told me countless stories of how strong elderly people can be. She has even told me several stories of people who were bedridden overpowering multiple nurses with just their upper body. A man in his 70s who was in good enough shape to go on an outdoors trip could definitely overpower and 15 year old 120lb little girl.
The new intro music is absolutely epic. Love it!! 🤘😎
we need a Lore Lodge Cold Opens compilation cause that was stunning
Awesome interpretation!
Thoroughly enjoyable.
Really like this format!
Now I can’t stop watching a death battle episode of a 14 year old and a 77 year old man play out in my head.
I don't think that man hurt her. He sat on a rock to rest and she went ahead. He was seeing her turned his head to look somewhere else looked back and she was absolutely gone.
A 70 year old man would be able to overpower a 14 year old girl 98% of the time
@@sbek1337 that is absolute bullshit. 70 year olds lose most of their ability to even move. Especially before modern medical advancements when that was past the Average life expectancy . This ain't avatar, mf ain't pulling the king Bumi "wrong choice" FFS
@@sbek1337 Not necessarily. Plenty of older men (older people in general) in that age range are almost freakishly strong. It's the reason "old man/old woman strength" is a term. I'm not saying for certain that he did something to her, but his age does not by any means rule the possibility out.
Hey man I swear I found you months back, liked the videos and subbed and now I’m having to do it all again. The matrix is working against you brother. Lol glad to be back!
i think this is the best intro ive ever heard
Okay I have 4 theories.
1. She ran away and had some supplies stuffed away somewhere else made it to a road and was randomly picked up there. I sure there are plenty of dirt road or trails and have heard cases of women being picked up, murder, and tossed miles away. Along horrible communication between law enforcement. She was never found or her body is considered a "Jane Doe".
2. Probably the most likely one, she just drowned in the lake and her body got tangled up in some brush underneath the water. Whatever was left was eaten by wildlife and washed downstream.
3. She was attacked by a wild animal park Rangers found her first and hid the body along with any evidence to avoid a lawsuit or bad press for not warn visitors of any possible dangers animals. But how no one else saw or heard and attacked is suspicious but not unlikely.
4. Why was there a seemingly frail old man in the middle of the woods? The fact no one knows his name or age is weird. He probably killed her and when later interrogated gave everyone fake names and ages. When he was no longer considered a suspect booked it out town. Law enforcement didn't realize until later and to avoid the backlash of letting the killer of a 14 year old girl walk right out of custody have been keeping information about the investigation from public view.
Is the start of this the official opening song for the channel? It's banging.
It is! We just got it recently from one of our followers, and we're very excited about it
@@TheLoreLodge can you release a full version if there is one?
@@kriegenjoyer6913 that’s up to Kalen, we’ll ask him!
As someone who works for the US Forest service, there is in fact law enforcement detachments within the park service and Forest service. so they do have rights to keep files from anyone if the choose to do so. They operate like the military.
Why didn't they check the lake? If she was planning on going swimming it would have made sense that she wanted to wear her flip flops. And even if she didn't she could have fallen in. It seems like they looked into several possibilities that were a lot less probable than plain old drowning. It's like they don't want to find people if they might find a body because of the bad press. It's like the Disney parks.
Course they checked the lake
When you hear someone being labeled as "elderly", you get an impression that they are weak and gentle with things. They wouldn't be able to do a lot of excessive physical activity. This man in his 70s was a senior but I don't think he could be described as elderly if he was on this similar trip and going on hikes. And that is weird that nothing is being released, at least I haven't heard anything that it was a possible criminal case. Instead they left it open for imaginations to take off with it. People deserve to know that it is a suspected foul play case in the least. They could've lied and said it was a bear attack or whatever if they wanted to cover up a cougar attack. This case wouldn't be on so many peoples minds today if it weren't for the withholding of information and the downplaying of that "elderly" man. It's just rotten. I wonder if this older man is a family member of someone in the Park services or the media. It's coming off that way to me. I like the saying: "That which is hidden will always reveal itself", I hope this happens soon for Stacy.
That first 8 seconds has got to be best opening to a missing 411 video ever!
Thanks dude. Now I have Stacy's Mom stuck in my head.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the beauty of which was that intro
Right at the beginning of the video I was telling my wife, "the only thing they found was her camera lens cap". Now I learn there was nothing found. Has anyone out there read the book "The Yosemite Mafia"? DP recommended it.
hahaha the stacey's mom reference had me weak!
Quick note on him saying he can't take seriously anyone claiming the Parks Service is a law enforcement agency: The National Parks Service is indeed an agency with law enforcement powers, and fairly broad ones at that, within its specific jurisdiction. It runs not one but two different law enforcement bodies: the United States Park Police and the United States Park Rangers. Both are real, full police services with arrest, investigation and other powers, and they're armed of course.
German Shepherds can be trained just like a bloodhound. Especially in search and rescue teams.
Yeah it seems like when he's outside his wheelhouse he just makes things up
The US Forest Service is law enforcement. They are a very interesting organization. They have almost unlimited power and jurisdiction. They are a federal agency with very little oversight because most people (like yourself) consider them just friendly park rangers. They fly extremely far under the radar. This is why Missing:411 exists. Paulides and others typically have an almost impossible time trying to get any information from them. They seem to not follow FOIA guidelines and deny information to investigators.
I think there’s actually a show on Hulu that goes over the cases they specifically solved in Yosemite that started around that time. It is legitimately a law enforcement organization.
Let's be clear: 70 is NOT "old." I know a number of 70 yo men strong enough to easily overpower a teen, boy or girl.
As a matter of fact, my 84 yo granddad literally decked a 20-something-yo man at an outdoor gathering who was getting foul-mouthed and said something disrespectful toward my grandmother. One punch.
That intro alone got the fastest sub I've ever given lmao good one
I think its hilarious how most of the video is serious with one extremely funny joke in the beginning, middle, and end each.
I only knew you from your tiktoks and then I saw you with Wendigoon I was like OH MAN ITS THE ROME GUY HELLO! Now I sub.
Love your new look
The second you said Mt. Pocono perk I nearly choked on my water. I'm litterally from the Mt. Pocono area of the Poconos. 🤣🤣
Just wanted to say that I love the song reference at the beginning, lol.
"...the federal government is not your friend." Honesty and correct thinking gets you a new subscriber.
Yeah I heavily disagree with how trusting he is of some institutions, such as the Catholic, Muslim, and Jewish Churches and the things I kinda see with them when they receive deserved skepticism, but Ill always stick around cause what matters more than anything is he doesn't like the feds. No matter the issues I have with religious institutions he simps for their power is minimal compared to the bastards we're owned by
he s christian just like me you wird atheist (soorry for the pleonasm), we dont simp for the chruch we re literaly part of the church . also just like me i m 100% sure he knows that the church does sketchy stuff sometimes(even me as an orthdox know that)@@ShrexyGuy
@@VladRadu-tq1pg imagine calling me atheist lmfao. That's a bigger joke than the pedo worshipping islamics.
Your own church doesn't even claim Christianity. They claim to be the true Jews. Look at Bible with Brother. He doesn't just say the false ideology, he elaborated on it.
Edit: I bet you're the kind of person who woulda bashed Jesus when he was calling out the frauds leading the synagogues too. And I'm by no way equating myself to Jesus by saying that, but his message on calling out the utter hypocrisy of the church leaders is loud and clear. If to you I'm an atheist for that, I'm happy to be viewed that way
nailed that intro 🤜🤛
I realize this segment is from archives In reference to #stacy arras but I felt compelled to express after reading an article from a newspaper archives that Stacy and her Father we’re coming into camp on horseback with an all men riding group. I knew father and daughter were coming into camp on horseback, but I didn’t know that it consisted of all men (with the exception of Stacy) I feel that it’s peculiarly important and curious why it wasn’t mentioned rod being same sex. Strange
The ending bit 💀💀💀
That song y'all use is a banger.
I really enjoy your channel and I definitely appreciate all the work and research you put into each episode. I’m just wondering how come it seems in the last 6 weeks or so you are just telling the same missing 411 stories that
Dave Paulides had already told?
I only askbecause there is another channel I watch that also did the same. When I asked him why the change in his content, he said when he started telling a few missing people cases or unexplained cases, he said apparently the algorithm almost doubled his subscribers. Same for you? Just curious, I still enjoy your channel!!
Good investigation bro
As a former law enforcement officer, i would just like to point out that the National Park Service itself is not "law enforcement", BUT the NPS absolutely does have two very legitimate, very real, law enforcement branches - United States Park Rangers and United States Park Police. Those are 100% legitimate federal law enforcement agencies. But yes, I do agree that it is extremely unusual that they would not release that information. It stinks of some kind of cover up.
Yeah, but probably covering up incompetence rather than malice.
Youre opening one liners are seriously the fuckin best hahah❤
The intro to this one was crazy brother
I'm not convinced David had that conversation with the Parks Service over his FOIA claims. He's always exaggerating his encounters and tales. Let's be clear, he's a great storyteller. But, I've also looked into many of his claims, and often the slightest bit of research wrecks his claims. I am convinced he's telling that tale to enhance the non-existent mystery to his 411 project.
the intro is funny af and good video
Holup…you open the video with a Stacey’s Mom reference? Brother, you’re a genius
I don’t think a girl who would want to run away would have listened to her dad’s suggestion of putting on different shoes, maybe the man didn’t know his own age, very interesting case
My grandpa at 70 years old was still working as a Forklift driver and helping me move furniture. If he tried to fight me, (5'4 but heavier than her) i would lose. No contest. Do not underestimate old men!
I think the authorities screwed up so badly that it's so embarrassing that they cover it up
My Dad is 75, and not in peak shape, but he could easily overpower a 120lb 14 year old (he's about 5'11" and 185-190lbs). Guess it depends on the size of the man - did the video mention that? I could have missed it.
Most 75 yr olds I’ve seen/know couldn’t do that
no he can't stop the 🧢
Bullshit meter's going through the roof
@@bigdaddydominator5446 I'll be sure to let him know that next time he's complaining about being old!
@@CarlosSpicyWang you're watching conspiracy theory videos and THIS is what you find unbelievable? Seems legit.
That intro was hilarious 😂
Be careful about additional details not in reports. Pilades has actually interviewed alot of these families and gotten additional info.
Be careful with your spelling.
@@markhemming318 It's nothing too much to be concerned with. It's not like reading this (which a player actively chooses to write like this for every post):
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Exactly
Bro 😂I'm just lookin for background noise to sleep too, and the first four secs of the vid made me drop my phone 😂
I'm a new subscriber and the common denominator in every case is the National Park Service!!! Just my opinion.
Ok that intro was great 😂
Kinda tempted to actually go to some of these parks and hike there with a GoPro to see what happens
the intro 😭😭
The age dispute could be easily explained if the old man had a significant stutter. If that was the case, it could have been difficult for him to clearly state his age as a stutter could easily make it sound like he was saying he was 77, leading to the confusion.
Stacys Mom intro killed me LMFAOOOO