@@nevillecottee7629 Sorry but you can have 10 opinions but if you aren't tying proper half or full cleat hitches, your opinion is still WRONG. The fact stands that the method shown in this video of cleating, even though it wasn't a proper cleat hitch to begin with is going to make you lose your hand. Never put your hand inside that line unless you are perfectly happy with losing said hand when wind or wave shifts 50 tons of yacht the other direction and your hand is caught in against the cleat by the retreating line. That goes just as much for the cleats, be they on the boat or a pier, as they do for properly running the lines around the winches. There is always 1 correct way and 10 wrong opinions.
As someone who has spent a lot of time working on big and small commercial vessels I can safely say tying a slip knot on a cleat is a bad idea and is frowned upon in the boating community. Use the method OXXO. The first O is just a wrap around the base of the cleat followed by two Cross patterns XX (not hitched) and followed by a final wrap around the bottom, O. This way if you need to flick the line off the cleat either from your boat or the dock it can be done much faster and you don’t need to un-tye any actual knots. It can also be untied one handed which also comes in useful. Just my two cents.
Any demonstration vidoe out there? I think i understand it but the last O is kinda the part im confused about? So you make a full turn then do two figure eigjts or cross loops. Then do another full turn to finish it?
I tie 2 spring lines. Mid boat cleat to the front dock cleat, and mid boat cleat to the rear dock cleat. That way my boat doesn't move front to back at all
the biggest issue people have with spring lines is thinking that it's the mid-aft or mid-forward cleat on the boat as mentioned by No_wake. Not that they are wrong it's just common thinking and limits other options. A spring line can come from the stern and even limited use from the bow if done properly. Often the line tied to hold the stern is also limiting the movement of the boat because its short so additional line plus bow line tied properly will have the same effect or better then 4 lines
When you tie off to a cleat you should really make a full wrap around the cleat before starting your knot, this is especially true for large boats. That allows you to hold the boat in place much more securely and easily before tying off. By immediately tying off, you run the risk of the boat drifting/moving and your fingers getting caught up in the rope.
in many situations the half cleat hitch is acceptable. It depends both on conditions, wind, the pier or jetty you are tied up to, as well as the boat you are docking.
This is one of those videos that (as a greenhorn) I will save and rewatch it until the moment I’m no longer a beginner. So well made! simple, objective and devoid of ego.
Read Chapmans’s and learn how to tie a proper cleat knot before making a video about tying a cleat knot! There’s always another way to do something, but in this case I have to ask why? I was a dock master years ago and it amazed me how few skippers and crew knew how. I’ve seen my share of inexperienced skippers make make mistakes and panic moves due to wind and current while someone is attempting to make fast to a cleat, ripping the line out of the persons hand or parting the line that’s attached to a cleat. Once I even saw a skipper rip a piling right out of the water! My point is, never teach your crew to use their hand to make a loop in the line so close to the cleat! A line that’s cleated too soon or a mistake from the skipper could cause serious injury or amputation. Just learn to tie a proper cleat knot and you will know more than 90%of boaters.
Thanks Sean for all the great info. As a new 1st time boat owner of a bowrider I've found all your videos and tips extremely useful. Be glad your not here in mid Missouri or Id be chewing your ear off constantly with questions. Here's a few items I thought I would share on my first outing with the bowrider, maybe you could consider them for future segments....Took the boat on a first run up the river, bad choice, got stuck a few times in low conditions, cant see the bottom, and tore up a brand new prop. Maybe segment on whats the right depth finder, my next new purchase. Props, my second new purchase, how to determine which one and the right pitch another possible segment. Oh and due to all the mud in the river, my Spedo is now not working, maybe a segment on clearing out the Pito intlet on the lower unit, testing the spedo, and then back in business. Keep them coming, cheers.
The half hitch's might work for small boats, but on work boats with more displacement, if the weight of the boat pulls on that line, you'll have a line that is jammed on the cleat and you might half to cut it to get loose. One round turn, two figure eight's and a half hitch on top was how i was taught at the California Maritime Academy, a half century ago. That'll work. If you're working with a small light boat, you can get away with the half hitches, but why use them at all, when the figure eights will work better?
cleat was not tied properly in this video. If not done properly, (this is not it) a strong wind causing the boat to pull against the cleat will tighten the line so much that you can not get it undone.
This is the best instructional video on how to tie a bow line I've ever seen out of countless channels I've seen. Thank you for sharing your intelligence with us and taking your precious time in life to teach us.
Haha i know right...The man literally does this for a living...That being said, I'm not gonna be able to retain this knowldege...only way I'm gonna learn this is in person with help.
The what not to do knot🪢 is called a ⛓️ chain sinnet n is only used to eat up the extra loose line in order to keep it out of the way n neat and tidy. This keeps it from being a tripping hazard after a proper cleat hitch has been used
2:10 is a good instruction of how NOT to tie a boat to a cleat. Ideally, the line goes back to the boat, and you use the cleat on the boat instead ("control the boat from the boat" principle, no need to even step on the dock to arrive or leave). Either way, if you use a hitch, use the cleat hitch after OX (the line will fall neatly side to side, won't jam, much unlike this inverted, insecure and just plainly wrong knot no skipper will teach you), or just do an OXO or OXXO as others have suggested.
Kirk, that is the way we have done it for years. I am going to remake this video because you and others have pointed this out. Great to learn even after years in the industry. Do you have a good reference video for us to use?
Without a full wrap around the cleat first is no bueno. The rat's nest to untangle that when leaving is crazy. Full wrap, figure eight then lock it. Done. Won't jam up.
With my pontoon boat, I only have 2 cleats on each side. and the dock slip I will be at this summer is only the length of the boat 20 feet. Is it best to tie 2 long lines, bow to stern cleat and stern to bow cleat?
You could to that, but you'd also want to have short lines at the bow and stern to the cleat opposite them. Depending on the prevailing winds and the orientation, I would suggest 3 lines. 2 short to the cleats on bow and stern, and one long one from the rear boat cleat to the front dock cleat, or vice/versa.
@@SeanHorsfall "How to Cleat a Line: Three Ways | Expert Advice". Also Len's cleat line hogs up the cleat and leaves no room if you need to put another line on it.
I'd rather go over the cleat on the dock first instead of going around the base of it first. In the video it; looks to me that the line could chafe on the wood as the boat moved causing damage to the line. By going over the cleat first the line should not rub or chafe on the decking material.
@@boatinglessons Not all cleats are placed the same either. Some places have placed their cleats upright on the pilling's while others have them on the edges of the decking and or even way back on top of the decking. All kinds of variations give us something to think about when we dock some place different. Again, thanks for the video, the lessons and knowledge that many of us need.
His mistake in this video is obvious and well-documented by knowledgeable commentators. Everyone is entitled to a few mistakes. His videos in general are quick, to-the-point, correct and educational without trying to be entertaining. I can only imagine the depths of his embarrassment.
I disagree about how you tie to a cleat! Your way will lock the line if the line experiences a hard straight. Plus your way places all the strain on the ear of the cleat. It is better to make a complete round turn on the base of the cleat so all the strain is on the base. Then all you need is 3 figure eights on the ears, you can then wrap any leftover line around the cleat (unless you have more than about 4-5 feet, then flemish the line on the dock). This method will hold the line without locking the line making it difficult to undo!
@@GREGPDOHERTY You are correct I don't think you should ever use a hitch on a cleat. I spent 22 years in the Coast Guard & 15 years in the merchant marine field. I was taught if a half hitch on a cleat was placed under heavy strain the line could lock itself. I have seen line that got so hot because of the amount of strain that the nylon melted. Plus if you do not take a full round turn on the base of the cleat you are putting some or most of the strain on the ear of the cleat. By taking a full turn all the strain it placed on the base of the cleat. If you make a full round turn and at least 3 figure eights the line will hold fine. If you are leaving the boat over night or longer make a few more figure eights. If the boat is going to ride out a storm you should double the number of your lines.
Your passes around a cleat are wrong. I have been a Captain for quite a few years and the locking arm/line should be flush with the rest of the cleat. You are showing a motor boat I don't care as long as I tie knots way...
@@boatinglessons I apologize if my comments were strong but I work both sail and motor and some of the callous ways people tie their boats up does not go well with me. Some of it I must say is appearance but there is strength in appearance. The locking turn when it is flush and correct leaves no need to take anymore passes as long as the boat isn't riding out a hurricane!
Adding hitches to a “herreshoff” type cleat is unnecessary and potentially dangerous, especially if a boat must be repositioned or adjusted. A single hitch after a full turn and crossover is enough and doesn’t endanger anyone’s fingers. The additional loop prior to two half-hitches on a ring cleat is interesting but not really necessary, either.
Sorry, what is going on with all these instructional videos showing people to tie cleat hitches with multiple locks on both horns (or sometimes even more than that??), rather than figure 8s with a single lock at the end. Further, if the lock is on the same side as the incoming/working end of the line (the end of the rope that’s tied to the boat), you can run into all kinds of trouble-especially in cold weather or tidal settings. Imagine tying up with damp line and coming back to stiff line after a light morning frost, a bit of wind and wave action has pulled the now frozen line on the cleat quite taught…you know have to work your locking loop free with your fingers or a marlin spike WHILE the working end of the line is moving around underneath or next to the rope you’re fiddling with as the boat bobs about. At a certain scale, this inconvenience turns into pinched or crushed fingers. And then, once that’s managed, you have to dick around with one or several more locked in loops of line frozen to each other and the cleat itself. If they are simply figure 8s over and around the cleat horns as they should be, you can simply pull one direction or the other to work the line loose. The ability to do this is exactly what the locking loop prohibits. Also securing a loose hitch with multiple overhand knots, even with bites in them…same issue. If anything goes awry, those overhand knots have to be worked apart while their tied right on the line thats under tension and moving around.
That said, is most common to lock on the same horn that the line come in on as you can pull it towards you as you’re already in that side of the cleat BUT these are the kind of things to consider when adapting a hitch to different situations…NOT (knot?) adding more and more locking loop hitch’s around multiple horns…
Never seen that as a proper way to tie off to a cleat. I’ve been boating for 50 years in the Northeast. Use a cleat hitch. And for newer boaters, please, pull your fenders in when underway- don’t be a “fender offender”! Times are changing I guess!
Just a note, if you put a life jacket on, even for an information video, secure it properly. Slipping it over your head and leaving it umbucklednis absolutely useless and gives people the wrong idea when you are putting yourself forward as an expert.
listen, If you are showing up for a casual conversation with some friends or in his case, customers who are interested in buying boats from him,... and just giving some helpful advice on how to get started and dock, or tie off to a slip... and You first Buckle your life preserver tight as can be... you're going to get laughed at and are taking things way too far and serious!! he is doing a casual video about dock lines.. not actual use of a life vest... lighten up people
I would have been beat, fired or worse if I had tied to a cleat the way you show here. I dont even know what that was but it wasnt what I was taught on the Bay of Fundy in aquaculture, commercial fishing, Whale Watching or commercial shipping.....mus5 have been taught wrong in all those industries by all those different professional mariners.
Not the proper way to tie off to a cleat. You risk losing your fingers and you only need the half hitch on the final turn which locks it into place. All of the rest is just you trying to lose fingers and ultimately chafe the line unnecessarily because of the way you laid it on with all of those hitches. Your line will last half as long doing it that way.
I have problems with every single method you propose for fixing to rings and cleats -- to fix to a ring use an anchor bend and to fix to a simple cleat use a cleat hitch. The approach you show at 2:10 for attaching to a cleat is v.bad. Why not just demonstrate a cleat hitch? When belaying to a cleat, be this on a dock, pontoon or your own boat the correct method is - for example if the cleat is on a dock or pontoon and a line is run from the boat through it's fairlead to the dock: Step 1 take the rope around and under the horn of the cleat furthest from the boat's fairlead (the angle between the line from the boat and the clear should be less than 90 degrees) and take a turn around and under the other horn at end of the cleat closest to the fairlead. With this the dock-hand can control the boat with little no effort. (some people use only a half turn at this stage) - this is the "O" Step 2 - bring the line diagonally across the top of a cleat and around and under the horn (the one furthest way from the boat) -- DO NOT ADD A HITCH at this stage. - THis is the first leg of the "X" Step 3 - then secure the mooring by crossing back over the top of the horn -forming an X on the top, but before you pass the line under the horn flip it so that the returning line passes under the line coming from the first horn. When you pull the line tight the returning line is held tight against the line laid in Step 2. NOT across it. This method is summarised as OXH. H=hitch If you are using Nylon Ropes many sailors use OXO or OXOH. Whereas if you are using braided polyester lines, like double stranded polyester braid on a braided dacron core, then this tends to slip more than Nylon, so a hitch is essential -- a hitch = one not 2. In wet conditions or with old lines more turns maybe required. Particularly if the dock gear is very large when compared to the diameter of the line -- in which case an eye or loop is often the better answer. Obviously - if you are fixing to shared cleats then a loop/eye should be used dockside and the tie is made on the boat, where surplus line can be secured with out risk to folk passing.. If fixing to a post or single bollard - rolling hitch or loop (bowline or pre-spliced ); double bollard, stag horn, T-bar, belaying pin etc. then a more complex solution maybe required depending on the size of the mooring hardware, diameter and type of your lines. and the ability of the line to form a secure and safe belay. I suggest you give your viewers links to proper best practice guidance and you go back to school. "Belaying. When a rope will have to be cast off while still under strain it cannot be secured with a bend or a hitch, except perhaps a slipping one. It is therefore belayed to a fitting made for the purpose, such as a cleat, staghorn or bollard. The action of belaying consists of taking sufficient turns round the fitting to hold the rope by friction when it takes the strain. Generally speaking, four complete turns should be sufficient, but the number of turns may have to be increased according to the degree of friction existing between rope and fitting. A wet and slippery rope or bollard, or a smooth cleat or staghorn and a well worn rope may require extra turns."
Please see You Tube video A perfect cleat hitch by the Maryland school of sailing and seamanship. This is the best instruction on the proper way to attach to a cleat.
His cleat hitch is an absolute joke and not correct. You should end up with one line over two. His method can cause issues untying when there is strain in the line. At least he utilized the proper nomenclature for fenders and not the amateur term “bumper”. Check out Chapman’s Piloting for cleating a line and disregard this guy.
Wow, this is an instructional video and the guy is teaching how to tie off to a cleat WRONG! What a mess! Try to untie his knot when there is a strong load on the line! It won't come loose!
You are correct and I learned something after making that video (was taught wrong as a kid). I made this to help compensate. Cleat Hitch Knot ruclips.net/video/kmFLf6b-KGk/видео.html I guess I should just remake the whole video?
You are correct and I learned something that day as so many people pointed it out! How embarrassing. I made this to try and correct my mistake. Better? ruclips.net/video/kmFLf6b-KGk/видео.htmlsi=HEwpOkeVNWdUN3Uu
@@boatinglessons Not really. You got the cleat hitch correct--finally--but continue to send people to this poor video (you should take it down and fix the several errors of best practice). That replacement video includes "if you can't tie a knot, tie a lot" presented as if it is advice which is very bad. The video you linked led to your anchoring video which is an abomination and presents yet more bad advice to novice boaters. You really should take all your videos down pending review by more capable boaters. How much more bad information have you promulgated that puts others at risk.
We got a ton of comments on this video and we learned from them - check them out as there is good information and different opinions in there.
If you ask ten boating enthusiasts for their opinion about one subject, you’ll likely get ten different ideas, with good reasons.
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On page 65. It's squash eventhough the illustration is about modern-day 1873 lawn tennis.
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@@nevillecottee7629 Sorry but you can have 10 opinions but if you aren't tying proper half or full cleat hitches, your opinion is still WRONG. The fact stands that the method shown in this video of cleating, even though it wasn't a proper cleat hitch to begin with is going to make you lose your hand. Never put your hand inside that line unless you are perfectly happy with losing said hand when wind or wave shifts 50 tons of yacht the other direction and your hand is caught in against the cleat by the retreating line. That goes just as much for the cleats, be they on the boat or a pier, as they do for properly running the lines around the winches.
There is always 1 correct way and 10 wrong opinions.
As someone who has spent a lot of time working on big and small commercial vessels I can safely say tying a slip knot on a cleat is a bad idea and is frowned upon in the boating community. Use the method OXXO. The first O is just a wrap around the base of the cleat followed by two Cross patterns XX (not hitched) and followed by a final wrap around the bottom, O. This way if you need to flick the line off the cleat either from your boat or the dock it can be done much faster and you don’t need to un-tye any actual knots. It can also be untied one handed which also comes in useful. Just my two cents.
That’s more than two cents worth. Your explanation is what maritime colleges teach.
also having some give in your cleat knots keeps lines from snapping.
Now this is a great comment
Any demonstration vidoe out there? I think i understand it but the last O is kinda the part im confused about? So you make a full turn then do two figure eigjts or cross loops. Then do another full turn to finish it?
@@bennettblackmon2858 ruclips.net/video/JxJQU6MWWAM/видео.htmlsi=wBGthdmTr5s6dbFK
I’ve been boating for 5 years and just now learning about the spring line. Thank you.
I tie 2 spring lines. Mid boat cleat to the front dock cleat, and mid boat cleat to the rear dock cleat. That way my boat doesn't move front to back at all
the biggest issue people have with spring lines is thinking that it's the mid-aft or mid-forward cleat on the boat as mentioned by No_wake. Not that they are wrong it's just common thinking and limits other options. A spring line can come from the stern and even limited use from the bow if done properly. Often the line tied to hold the stern is also limiting the movement of the boat because its short so additional line plus bow line tied properly will have the same effect or better then 4 lines
When you tie off to a cleat you should really make a full wrap around the cleat before starting your knot, this is especially true for large boats. That allows you to hold the boat in place much more securely and easily before tying off. By immediately tying off, you run the risk of the boat drifting/moving and your fingers getting caught up in the rope.
in many situations the half cleat hitch is acceptable. It depends both on conditions, wind, the pier or jetty you are tied up to, as well as the boat you are docking.
exactly!
This is one of those videos that (as a greenhorn) I will save and rewatch it until the moment I’m no longer a beginner.
So well made! simple, objective and devoid of ego.
Such a nice thing to say, thank you!
You guys have by far the best boating tip videos on the web. Simple, to the point, understandable, and no wasted BS info or promotions.
Adam, that is such a kind thing to say - thank you!!
Simple. Straight to the point. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
This is my 4th year boating and am learning alot, about safety, maintenance, servicing and repairs.. Thank you.
So glad to hear it. Thank you!
Read Chapmans’s and learn how to tie a proper cleat knot before making a video about tying a cleat knot! There’s always another way to do something, but in this case I have to ask why? I was a dock master years ago and it amazed me how few skippers and crew knew how. I’ve seen my share of inexperienced skippers make make mistakes and panic moves due to wind and current while someone is attempting to make fast to a cleat, ripping the line out of the persons hand or parting the line that’s attached to a cleat. Once I even saw a skipper rip a piling right out of the water! My point is, never teach your crew to use their hand to make a loop in the line so close to the cleat! A line that’s cleated too soon or a mistake from the skipper could cause serious injury or amputation. Just learn to tie a proper cleat knot and you will know more than 90%of boaters.
One of the better videos that shows how to tie properly + from a good angle.
Thanks Sean, I have been a long time boater and learned about "spring lines' today. A very good resource.
Worst cleat hitch I have seen. Thousands of examples easily available on how to do it right!
Thanks Sean for all the great info. As a new 1st time boat owner of a bowrider I've found all your videos and tips extremely useful. Be glad your not here in mid Missouri or Id be chewing your ear off constantly with questions. Here's a few items I thought I would share on my first outing with the bowrider, maybe you could consider them for future segments....Took the boat on a first run up the river, bad choice, got stuck a few times in low conditions, cant see the bottom, and tore up a brand new prop. Maybe segment on whats the right depth finder, my next new purchase. Props, my second new purchase, how to determine which one and the right pitch another possible segment. Oh and due to all the mud in the river, my Spedo is now not working, maybe a segment on clearing out the Pito intlet on the lower unit, testing the spedo, and then back in business. Keep them coming, cheers.
Those are all great ideas, thank you!! We do want to shift gears to more boating help videos
Best breakdown I’ve seen het
Thank you!! From a new boater!!!
GREAT! Easy to listen to... Thank you!
Lol I need to do this for a school assignment but I’ve just been rewatching this vid the whole time
Very concise, informative and well done video
The half hitch's might work for small boats, but on work boats with more displacement, if the weight of the boat pulls on that line, you'll have a line that is jammed on the cleat and you might half to cut it to get loose. One round turn, two figure eight's and a half hitch on top was how i was taught at the California Maritime Academy, a half century ago. That'll work. If you're working with a small light boat, you can get away with the half hitches, but why use them at all, when the figure eights will work better?
Great advice and I am going to reshoot that part of the video
cleat was not tied properly in this video. If not done properly, (this is not it) a strong wind causing the boat to pull against the cleat will tighten the line so much that you can not get it undone.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out. We just reshot this part and will post it soon
This is the best instructional video on how to tie a bow line I've ever seen out of countless channels I've seen. Thank you for sharing your intelligence with us and taking your precious time in life to teach us.
Just not sure why you would put together a "how to" guide on tying a cleat when you seem to have it wrong in every shot.
thank you for to the tutorial. these info should be enough to properly tied my inflatable boat.
Thanks for the great tips 🎉🎉🎉
Great vid. Very Informative. Of course, "somebody" always knows better, but still - liked it.
Haha i know right...The man literally does this for a living...That being said, I'm not gonna be able to retain this knowldege...only way I'm gonna learn this is in person with help.
Nice video and thanks. Did I miss something since I did not see any reference to the stern tie up...(?) Thanks!
This was very helpful thanks
Excellent video!
Just learned a couple of things. Thanks
The what not to do knot🪢 is called a ⛓️ chain sinnet n is only used to eat up the extra loose line in order to keep it out of the way n neat and tidy. This keeps it from being a tripping hazard after a proper cleat hitch has been used
Thank you, this is a great video.
2:10 is a good instruction of how NOT to tie a boat to a cleat. Ideally, the line goes back to the boat, and you use the cleat on the boat instead ("control the boat from the boat" principle, no need to even step on the dock to arrive or leave). Either way, if you use a hitch, use the cleat hitch after OX (the line will fall neatly side to side, won't jam, much unlike this inverted, insecure and just plainly wrong knot no skipper will teach you), or just do an OXO or OXXO as others have suggested.
Good video. Just what o needed to see.😀
At approx 1:00 min into the video I wish you could do a video just focusing on that knot through the ring. Looks easy but I just mess it up
I likely take it for granted - been doing it my whole life. Sorry about that
Very useful info. Thanks
Thank you! I got it !
great presentation
The "braid" you did as a "pretty knot" i use to store my lines
I agree Shamus, keeps them organized:)
Does a spring line allow for low and high tides?
Yes, but all lines taut need to be long--about the length of the boat.
How long should your stern lines be?
Very good
My dock only has to 4 ft poles to tie to. Using the cleats on the boat. Any advice
Are the poles close enough that you can loop around them and back to the cleat on the boat? Do you have tides there?
don’t have a boat but was very interesting
WOW... totally incorrect on the cleat hitch...just wow.
Kirk, that is the way we have done it for years. I am going to remake this video because you and others have pointed this out. Great to learn even after years in the industry. Do you have a good reference video for us to use?
@@boatinglessons Yes: ruclips.net/video/KaF9lFn0Inw/видео.html
How would I tie up if I only have cleats on the stern of the boat?
Are you saying there are no cleats on the bow, or that you moor your boat stern in to the dock and only use the rear cleats?
@@boatinglessons I use the rear cleats and recently started using the eye on the bow thats used for the trailer winch.
Yes, I have no bow cleats
An excellent presentation. However, it might be wise to include what maritime colleges teach.
Without a full wrap around the cleat first is no bueno. The rat's nest to untangle that when leaving is crazy. Full wrap, figure eight then lock it. Done. Won't jam up.
With my pontoon boat, I only have 2 cleats on each side. and the dock slip I will be at this summer is only the length of the boat 20 feet. Is it best to tie 2 long lines, bow to stern cleat and stern to bow cleat?
You could to that, but you'd also want to have short lines at the bow and stern to the cleat opposite them. Depending on the prevailing winds and the orientation, I would suggest 3 lines. 2 short to the cleats on bow and stern, and one long one from the rear boat cleat to the front dock cleat, or vice/versa.
@@boatinglessons Thank you so much. I appreciate the reply! I enjoy the channel
Attaching to the cleat / so wrong in so many ways.
RIP Chain hitch users
Not how you tie to a cleat.
Do you have a different way/suggestion? Is there a video or post you could reference?
What do you suggest is better Damage, Inc.? We are all about getting better at what we do :-)
@@SeanHorsfall "How to Cleat a Line: Three Ways | Expert Advice". Also Len's cleat line hogs up the cleat and leaves no room if you need to put another line on it.
The way you use the cleat is no god. when tensioned the line cannot be untied. take down the video and make a new one.
I'd rather go over the cleat on the dock first instead of going around the base of it first. In the video it; looks to me that the line could chafe on the wood as the boat moved causing damage to the line. By going over the cleat first the line should not rub or chafe on the decking material.
Interesting! I know have seen a number of good variations that people have suggested :)
@@boatinglessons Not all cleats are placed the same either. Some places have placed their cleats upright on the pilling's while others have them on the edges of the decking and or even way back on top of the decking. All kinds of variations give us something to think about when we dock some place different. Again, thanks for the video, the lessons and knowledge that many of us need.
His mistake in this video is obvious and well-documented by knowledgeable commentators. Everyone is entitled to a few mistakes. His videos in general are quick, to-the-point, correct and educational without trying to be entertaining. I can only imagine the depths of his embarrassment.
- one job per line
- one line per cleat
- bowline dockside
First three seconds is me when my friends decide to buy a new boat that I know they have no intention of dropping in the water
Don’t forget the rear spring.
I disagree about how you tie to a cleat! Your way will lock the line if the line experiences a hard straight. Plus your way places all the strain on the ear of the cleat. It is better to make a complete round turn on the base of the cleat so all the strain is on the base. Then all you need is 3 figure eights on the ears, you can then wrap any leftover line around the cleat (unless you have more than about 4-5 feet, then flemish the line on the dock). This method will hold the line without locking the line making it difficult to undo!
Richard, other people have said something similar and I will likely reshoot that portion of the video - I appreciate your feedback!!
Why you describe is also not a proper clear hitch.
@@GREGPDOHERTY You are correct I don't think you should ever use a hitch on a cleat. I spent 22 years in the Coast Guard & 15 years in the merchant marine field. I was taught if a half hitch on a cleat was placed under heavy strain the line could lock itself. I have seen line that got so hot because of the amount of strain that the nylon melted. Plus if you do not take a full round turn on the base of the cleat you are putting some or most of the strain on the ear of the cleat. By taking a full turn all the strain it placed on the base of the cleat. If you make a full round turn and at least 3 figure eights the line will hold fine. If you are leaving the boat over night or longer make a few more figure eights. If the boat is going to ride out a storm you should double the number of your lines.
100% correct this is. NOT how to tie a cleat!!!
Why not just run thru ring back to cavel on boat and all those locking hitches is WAY over kill
Your passes around a cleat are wrong. I have been a Captain for quite a few years and the locking arm/line should be flush with the rest of the cleat. You are showing a motor boat I don't care as long as I tie knots way...
Yes, I am going to remake this video - thank you
@@boatinglessons I apologize if my comments were strong but I work both sail and motor and some of the callous ways people tie their boats up does not go well with me. Some of it I must say is appearance but there is strength in appearance. The locking turn when it is flush and correct leaves no need to take anymore passes as long as the boat isn't riding out a hurricane!
All good - we love the feedback and only want to teach it well. Some things we learn wrong day one and continue to do it wrong for years 🤷🏼♂️
I’m lucky to be on a body of water where anything I’m going to tie to is floating… which negates the need for a spring line.
It does make it easier, yes. I still suggest that it is good for holding the boat more firmly against the dock
Adding hitches to a “herreshoff” type cleat is unnecessary and potentially dangerous, especially if a boat must be repositioned or adjusted. A single hitch after a full turn and crossover is enough and doesn’t endanger anyone’s fingers. The additional loop prior to two half-hitches on a ring cleat is interesting but not really necessary, either.
That’s not how to tie on a cleat as we learned it and practice it, but I guess boating has something religeous to it. Cheers
You are right and we have a new video coming out to show the proper way (we think) 🤣
Sorry, what is going on with all these instructional videos showing people to tie cleat hitches with multiple locks on both horns (or sometimes even more than that??), rather than figure 8s with a single lock at the end. Further, if the lock is on the same side as the incoming/working end of the line (the end of the rope that’s tied to the boat), you can run into all kinds of trouble-especially in cold weather or tidal settings. Imagine tying up with damp line and coming back to stiff line after a light morning frost, a bit of wind and wave action has pulled the now frozen line on the cleat quite taught…you know have to work your locking loop free with your fingers or a marlin spike WHILE the working end of the line is moving around underneath or next to the rope you’re fiddling with as the boat bobs about. At a certain scale, this inconvenience turns into pinched or crushed fingers. And then, once that’s managed, you have to dick around with one or several more locked in loops of line frozen to each other and the cleat itself. If they are simply figure 8s over and around the cleat horns as they should be, you can simply pull one direction or the other to work the line loose. The ability to do this is exactly what the locking loop prohibits. Also securing a loose hitch with multiple overhand knots, even with bites in them…same issue. If anything goes awry, those overhand knots have to be worked apart while their tied right on the line thats under tension and moving around.
That said, is most common to lock on the same horn that the line come in on as you can pull it towards you as you’re already in that side of the cleat BUT these are the kind of things to consider when adapting a hitch to different situations…NOT (knot?) adding more and more locking loop hitch’s around multiple horns…
Your cleat hitch is incorrectly tied. Refer to Chapman's.
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You tied he cleat off wrong.
Never seen that as a proper way to tie off to a cleat. I’ve been boating for 50 years in the Northeast. Use a cleat hitch. And for newer boaters, please, pull your fenders in when underway- don’t be a “fender offender”! Times are changing I guess!
Don't be a "googan!"
1:56
20% of the video is over and he hasn't told me how to tie a knot
That's not the way to make fast on a cleat: the classic method is OXO with a locking turn.
Yikes ! That cleat hitch is wrong
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a note, if you put a life jacket on, even for an information video, secure it properly. Slipping it over your head and leaving it umbucklednis absolutely useless and gives people the wrong idea when you are putting yourself forward as an expert.
Relax
listen, If you are showing up for a casual conversation with some friends or in his case, customers who are interested in buying boats from him,... and just giving some helpful advice on how to get started and dock, or tie off to a slip... and You first Buckle your life preserver tight as can be... you're going to get laughed at and are taking things way too far and serious!! he is doing a casual video about dock lines.. not actual use of a life vest... lighten up people
I would have been beat, fired or worse if I had tied to a cleat the way you show here. I dont even know what that was but it wasnt what I was taught on the Bay of Fundy in aquaculture, commercial fishing, Whale Watching or commercial shipping.....mus5 have been taught wrong in all those industries by all those different professional mariners.
Why tie knots at all? I just have a caribiner on the end of every line. I occasionally check my knot holding the caribiner.
I just stuck on a boat at 9 pm and my dad is gone
Are you ok Nathan?
Thanks to this video I am
Not the proper way to tie off to a cleat. You risk losing your fingers and you only need the half hitch on the final turn which locks it into place. All of the rest is just you trying to lose fingers and ultimately chafe the line unnecessarily because of the way you laid it on with all of those hitches. Your line will last half as long doing it that way.
That's not a Cleat Hitch. In order to learn about that technique, look elsewhere.
Yes you are correct. I am going to reshoot this section- thank you for your feedback!
Improper cleat hitch, super sloppy 👎👎
And dangerous. “Use your hand to make a loop”, foolish
I believe this man may be an android.
I have problems with every single method you propose for fixing to rings and cleats -- to fix to a ring use an anchor bend and to fix to a simple cleat use a cleat hitch.
The approach you show at 2:10 for attaching to a cleat is v.bad.
Why not just demonstrate a cleat hitch?
When belaying to a cleat, be this on a dock, pontoon or your own boat the correct method is - for example if the cleat is on a dock or pontoon and a line is run from the boat through it's fairlead to the dock:
Step 1 take the rope around and under the horn of the cleat furthest from the boat's fairlead (the angle between the line from the boat and the clear should be less than 90 degrees) and take a turn around and under the other horn at end of the cleat closest to the fairlead. With this the dock-hand can control the boat with little no effort. (some people use only a half turn at this stage) - this is the "O"
Step 2 - bring the line diagonally across the top of a cleat and around and under the horn (the one furthest way from the boat) -- DO NOT ADD A HITCH at this stage. - THis is the first leg of the "X"
Step 3 - then secure the mooring by crossing back over the top of the horn -forming an X on the top, but before you pass the line under the horn flip it so that the returning line passes under the line coming from the first horn. When you pull the line tight the returning line is held tight against the line laid in Step 2. NOT across it. This method is summarised as OXH. H=hitch
If you are using Nylon Ropes many sailors use OXO or OXOH.
Whereas if you are using braided polyester lines, like double stranded polyester braid on a braided dacron core, then this tends to slip more than Nylon, so a hitch is essential -- a hitch = one not 2.
In wet conditions or with old lines more turns maybe required. Particularly if the dock gear is very large when compared to the diameter of the line -- in which case an eye or loop is often the better answer.
Obviously - if you are fixing to shared cleats then a loop/eye should be used dockside and the tie is made on the boat, where surplus line can be secured with out risk to folk passing..
If fixing to a post or single bollard - rolling hitch or loop (bowline or pre-spliced ); double bollard, stag horn, T-bar, belaying pin etc. then a more complex solution maybe required depending on the size of the mooring hardware, diameter and type of your lines. and the ability of the line to form a secure and safe belay.
I suggest you give your viewers links to proper best practice guidance and you go back to school.
"Belaying. When a rope will have to be cast off while still under strain it cannot
be secured with a bend or a hitch, except perhaps a slipping one. It is therefore
belayed to a fitting made for the purpose, such as a cleat, staghorn or bollard. The
action of belaying consists of taking sufficient turns round the fitting to hold the rope
by friction when it takes the strain. Generally speaking, four complete turns should be
sufficient, but the number of turns may have to be increased according to the degree
of friction existing between rope and fitting. A wet and slippery rope or bollard, or a
smooth cleat or staghorn and a well worn rope may require extra turns."
Ehm... NO
Thats no good cleat hitch
You are right, and we are going to update that part of the video soon. Thank you
Please see You Tube video
A perfect cleat hitch by the Maryland school of sailing and seamanship.
This is the best instruction on the proper way to attach to a cleat.
WRONG WRONG WRONG, you do one around the base, 2 figure 8's and ONE half hitch
How right you are
Thats not a great cleat hitch TBH.
His cleat hitch is an absolute joke and not correct. You should end up with one line over two. His method can cause issues untying when there is strain in the line. At least he utilized the proper nomenclature for fenders and not the amateur term “bumper”. Check out Chapman’s Piloting for cleating a line and disregard this guy.
Bad done. That is not the way you should tie a cleat.
He uses the dock cleat wrong. Watch another video. Or read a book
This tip is not good advice for any boat of any size.
1:52 made me sick. absolute worst cleat hitch ive ever seen. awful.
You are right :)
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Had to correct it. Had been doing it wrong for years!
Wow, this is an instructional video and the guy is teaching how to tie off to a cleat WRONG! What a mess! Try to untie his knot when there is a strong load on the line! It won't come loose!
Doesn't know how to tie a correct cleat hitch. And no, more wraps do not help
Next lesson tie your shoes.
Oops, we’re they untied in the video? Maybe I should get Velcro 🤣
You are wrong men we don’t tie like this I am a yachtsman and I know
You are correct and I learned something after making that video (was taught wrong as a kid). I made this to help compensate. Cleat Hitch Knot
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I guess I should just remake the whole video?
This guy has no idea how to properly tie off a cleat, totally incorrect
Wow. Bad advice in this video. This should be taken down
by Len's Cove.
Really too bad you don't know what you're talking about - not even how to tie a proper cleat hitch.
You are correct and I learned something that day as so many people pointed it out! How embarrassing. I made this to try and correct my mistake. Better? ruclips.net/video/kmFLf6b-KGk/видео.htmlsi=HEwpOkeVNWdUN3Uu
@@boatinglessons Not really. You got the cleat hitch correct--finally--but continue to send people to this poor video (you should take it down and fix the several errors of best practice). That replacement video includes "if you can't tie a knot, tie a lot" presented as if it is advice which is very bad. The video you linked led to your anchoring video which is an abomination and presents yet more bad advice to novice boaters. You really should take all your videos down pending review by more capable boaters. How much more bad information have you promulgated that puts others at risk.
@@deislanddave I am above these comments and will not respond. You are certainly welcome to your opinion.
Bullshite! That’s not how to tie to a cleat.