I stopped by Fitzroy swimming pool the other day, and that median with grass and car parking on Alexandra parade seems like a good spot. It would be cool to see a lowkey station with minimal above ground constructs, sort of like the small simple staircases that lead underground you see at Piccadilly Cricus station on the tube
A couple things: 1) By the time you get past Mernda to Yan Yean and Whittlesea, you are really starting to enter V/Line territory. For lines like this and others like Gisborne, Warragul, Geelong, and Healesville, I don't think that its a good idea to be using HCMT and operating as a Metro-no need for all that capacity and frequency, and a desire for more comfort on longer trips-although those lines should also be upgraded with express service skipping most stops out to Mooroolbark and Middle Gorge, preferably using V/Line equipment. 2) Relating to this, it seems like it would be simpler and easier to just do the Doncaster line into Metro 2 directly and not have to worry about disrupting the Mernda line. This way, you have a single line that is completely new and can be built for maximum efficiency and simplicity. With Doncaster taking pressure off of Hurstbridge and the improvements to Upfield taking pressure off of Mernda, those lines can continue to function. If you still have extra capacity, THEN you start adding Morang locals and such.
Nice summary video mate. As a fellow Melbournian I'm also recreating the network on NIMBY Rails. My partner just said 'hey, isn't that the game you're playing?' Ive included a few fantasy lines and I couldn't help but notice you have alone running through the centre of the CBD to Southern Cross, which line is that? Keep up the good work mate!
Thanks for the kind words! The line through the CBD is the proposed Melbourne Metro 3 (Melbourne Airport - Newmarket - Kensington - Arden - SSS - Parliament - North Richmond - Doncaster). That will probably not be constructed for decades to come, if ever.
@@MetroManMelbourne What if MM2 is built running UNDER the city loop, and extra tracks are built for MM3 to run under the same way? So it looks like this: MM2 Clifton Hill - 86 tram - 11 tram - 96 tram - 1/6 tram - lygon st - central - flagstaff - Spencer St (SXS Interchage) - south wharf - 3 fishermans bend stops (Southern) - spotswood - brooklyn freight route - airport line, done cut-and-cover except for under the central city This would at least actually get people where they want to go and provide a cross-city inner line for tram users and then MM3 (with interlining from where they cross over near clifton hill, allowing for express track to the city for both lines) S.Clifton Hill - victoria park - central - flagstaff - north melbourne - arden - macaulay - newmarket - showgrounds/highpoint line MM4 (this and mm3 combined would probably be as big as the original mm3 proposal) altona line - newport - 6 fishermans bend stops (northern) - south wharf - Spencer St - Arden South (N.Melbourne Interchange) Kensington - Craigieburn Line Ultimately new trains could be built, level crossings all removed, signalling upgraded for a proper metro line (The current Xtrapolis trains are shit, and the trains are too dang slow especially since they don't travel at full speed due to the schedule.
@@MetroManMelbourne I do think if Metro 3 were built on that alignment, passing through SXS and Parliament that a station should be built at Bourke St Mall. But then I think it should not go through SXS and Parliament but should divert from Newmarket to have a station at the Royal Children's Hospital, connect to Parkville station and then go to Doncaster. This will make Parkville an even more important hub with the West East Rail Tunnel and metro 3 connecting there.
I would like to see the mmt2, the Doncaster line and the Wollert line in my opinion Btw, I tried joining to the discord server but the link has already expired and is the program/website are you using for making a train track on 3:23 called "NIMBY Rails"?
Discord server is long since deleted. And yes it’s nimby rails - you can buy it on steam. The gameplay is very different to what I had in this video though.
@@headbumb9022 unfortunately not. I may end up reopening mine at some point in the future though. Otherwise you can definitely find chats on Instagram and reddit.
I really dislike this connecting back in at Newport. There are 2 options that make more sense and cost more money. 1. connect Port Melbourne to Williamstown to Williamstown Nth through the Altona loop. 2. connect Port Melbourne to Spotswood to Follow the Blackshaws Rd alignment then Millers Rd through the Altona loop. In both cases extend Westona through Point Cook and East Werribee. Teminate at the Derrimut Rd Crossing where there already looks like there is a platform space. There is already space for rail around the back of altona meadows and point cook and server the East Werribee District they want to setup. The ideal situation would continue the line to Tarneit with a stop at Werribee plaza but I suspect a BRT or Trams would end up happening. The Port Melbourne to Williamstown alignment separates the Williamstown and Altona loops into their own line allowing for increased frequency on the Werribee line. Blackshaws Rd/Millers Rd would service new medium density sites along Blackshaws Rd and link to Altona Gate and Millers Junction shopping centres.
I think an alternative station for fitzroy station could be 255 Smith street (it is a large carpark in the middle of the suburb) and would allow for the Parkville stops to be in alignment with MM1 platforms there.
Melbourne metro 2: Northcote to Newport via Clifton Hill, Fitzroy, Exhibition (Carlton), Parkville, Flagstaff, Spencer St, Fisherman's Bend.) The Mernda line to be extended to Whittlesea, the Werribee line to be extended to Forest Road.
I still have one unanswered question: where would passengers who use Rushall station go to catch their train, if Rushall were to be closed and/or demolished? Otherwise, very informative video.
I do wonder how far are those three stations. Are they less than 1km apart like the existing Surrey Hill and adjacent that's planned to be closed in place for the new station?
Great video, as usual. I grew up in Melbourne in the 70s and 80s. If RUclips existed then, I would likely do what your doing now. But my point is "I am stunned" at the level of development and expense going on. I'm not against it. But where is all this money coming from? Cheers.
The money is probably coming from the same source that pays for the public transport system that has been running empty (and thus without revenue from passengers) for much of the last eighteen months. Voodoo Economics 101.
@Maddy G the funds from people paying for public transport in non covid times doesn't even cover the electricity running costs and paying the drivers and staff, let alone the up keep of computer systems like myki etc.
I stopped by Fitzroy swimming pool the other day, and that median with grass and car parking on Alexandra parade seems like a good spot. It would be cool to see a lowkey station with minimal above ground constructs, sort of like the small simple staircases that lead underground you see at Piccadilly Cricus station on the tube
Woo Doncaster railline with metro 2
Also first comment :p
A couple things:
1) By the time you get past Mernda to Yan Yean and Whittlesea, you are really starting to enter V/Line territory. For lines like this and others like Gisborne, Warragul, Geelong, and Healesville, I don't think that its a good idea to be using HCMT and operating as a Metro-no need for all that capacity and frequency, and a desire for more comfort on longer trips-although those lines should also be upgraded with express service skipping most stops out to Mooroolbark and Middle Gorge, preferably using V/Line equipment.
2) Relating to this, it seems like it would be simpler and easier to just do the Doncaster line into Metro 2 directly and not have to worry about disrupting the Mernda line. This way, you have a single line that is completely new and can be built for maximum efficiency and simplicity. With Doncaster taking pressure off of Hurstbridge and the improvements to Upfield taking pressure off of Mernda, those lines can continue to function.
If you still have extra capacity, THEN you start adding Morang locals and such.
Nice summary video mate. As a fellow Melbournian I'm also recreating the network on NIMBY Rails. My partner just said 'hey, isn't that the game you're playing?'
Ive included a few fantasy lines and I couldn't help but notice you have alone running through the centre of the CBD to Southern Cross, which line is that?
Keep up the good work mate!
Thanks for the kind words! The line through the CBD is the proposed Melbourne Metro 3 (Melbourne Airport - Newmarket - Kensington - Arden - SSS - Parliament - North Richmond - Doncaster). That will probably not be constructed for decades to come, if ever.
@@MetroManMelbourne What if MM2 is built running UNDER the city loop, and extra tracks are built for MM3 to run under the same way?
So it looks like this:
MM2
Clifton Hill - 86 tram - 11 tram - 96 tram - 1/6 tram - lygon st - central - flagstaff - Spencer St (SXS Interchage) - south wharf - 3 fishermans bend stops (Southern) - spotswood - brooklyn freight route - airport line, done cut-and-cover except for under the central city
This would at least actually get people where they want to go and provide a cross-city inner line for tram users
and then MM3 (with interlining from where they cross over near clifton hill, allowing for express track to the city for both lines)
S.Clifton Hill - victoria park - central - flagstaff - north melbourne - arden - macaulay - newmarket - showgrounds/highpoint line
MM4 (this and mm3 combined would probably be as big as the original mm3 proposal)
altona line - newport - 6 fishermans bend stops (northern) - south wharf - Spencer St - Arden South (N.Melbourne Interchange) Kensington - Craigieburn Line
Ultimately new trains could be built, level crossings all removed, signalling upgraded for a proper metro line (The current Xtrapolis trains are shit, and the trains are too dang slow especially since they don't travel at full speed due to the schedule.
@@MetroManMelbourne I do think if Metro 3 were built on that alignment, passing through SXS and Parliament that a station should be built at Bourke St Mall.
But then I think it should not go through SXS and Parliament but should divert from Newmarket to have a station at the Royal Children's Hospital, connect to Parkville station and then go to Doncaster. This will make Parkville an even more important hub with the West East Rail Tunnel and metro 3 connecting there.
Me to
Thanks for the video Metro I think this really needs to be built
yep I agree
@@MetroManMelbourne ditto
@@MetroManMelbourne where can i get this game free online
I would like to see the mmt2, the Doncaster line and the Wollert line in my opinion
Btw, I tried joining to the discord server but the link has already expired and is the program/website are you using for making a train track on 3:23 called "NIMBY Rails"?
Discord server is long since deleted. And yes it’s nimby rails - you can buy it on steam. The gameplay is very different to what I had in this video though.
@@MetroManMelbourne oh ok, is there any other discord servers you made that I could join?
@@headbumb9022 unfortunately not. I may end up reopening mine at some point in the future though. Otherwise you can definitely find chats on Instagram and reddit.
Another great post. Well done MMM
Nice Video
Is that program you using NIMBY?
yep
@@MetroManMelbourne cool
With the city loop reconfiguration Is the upfield and Craigieburn lines going to use the Caulfield or Northern tunnel
Really needs to be built
yep
I really dislike this connecting back in at Newport.
There are 2 options that make more sense and cost more money.
1. connect Port Melbourne to Williamstown to Williamstown Nth through the Altona loop.
2. connect Port Melbourne to Spotswood to Follow the Blackshaws Rd alignment then Millers Rd through the Altona loop.
In both cases extend Westona through Point Cook and East Werribee. Teminate at the Derrimut Rd Crossing where there already looks like there is a platform space. There is already space for rail around the back of altona meadows and point cook and server the East Werribee District they want to setup. The ideal situation would continue the line to Tarneit with a stop at Werribee plaza but I suspect a BRT or Trams would end up happening.
The Port Melbourne to Williamstown alignment separates the Williamstown and Altona loops into their own line allowing for increased frequency on the Werribee line.
Blackshaws Rd/Millers Rd would service new medium density sites along Blackshaws Rd and link to Altona Gate and Millers Junction shopping centres.
It would be awesome if this happened.
I think an alternative station for fitzroy station could be 255 Smith street (it is a large carpark in the middle of the suburb) and would allow for the Parkville stops to be in alignment with MM1 platforms there.
I agree that the line should not run under alexandra parade mostly - the exception is that its wide median could be used as a TBM launching site
thats the woolworths store
Melbourne metro 2: Northcote to Newport via Clifton Hill, Fitzroy, Exhibition (Carlton), Parkville, Flagstaff, Spencer St, Fisherman's Bend.)
The Mernda line to be extended to Whittlesea, the Werribee line to be extended to Forest Road.
A metro station on blackforrest Rd would be a godsend
Whats this Melbourne Metro 1,2 and 3?
video good
What software is that?
I still have one unanswered question: where would passengers who use Rushall station go to catch their train, if Rushall were to be closed and/or demolished? Otherwise, very informative video.
They would go to Clifton hill or Northcote.
What about Merri, could they still use that as well? The new rebuilt Merri, I mean.
@@therealsammyvee888 oops I meant Merri not Northcote
No problem, it's all good.
I do wonder how far are those three stations. Are they less than 1km apart like the existing Surrey Hill and adjacent that's planned to be closed in place for the new station?
Great video, as usual. I grew up in Melbourne in the 70s and 80s. If RUclips existed then, I would likely do what your doing now. But my point is "I am stunned" at the level of development and expense going on. I'm not against it. But where is all this money coming from? Cheers.
Taxpayers or privatisation mostly, although I don't usually look too far into the money side of things so I may be wrong.
Borrowing, federal government and the privatisation of Melbourne Ports for 99 years to a Chinese company.
The money is probably coming from the same source that pays for the public transport system that has been running empty (and thus without revenue from passengers) for much of the last eighteen months. Voodoo Economics 101.
@Maddy G the funds from people paying for public transport in non covid times doesn't even cover the electricity running costs and paying the drivers and staff, let alone the up keep of computer systems like myki etc.
@@MetroManMelbourne Its coming from property taxes, the boom in melbourne property prices has led to a boom in property taxes.
@MetroManMelboure Could you add your NIMBY Rail map on the steam workshop. I would love to edit it and make my dream Melbourne
What program are you using
NIMBY Rails it is called
They could possibly go with this project instead if they cancel the suburban rail loop project.
This is cute little tunnel project, however the RFI West East Rail project is a far superior project.
This will never ever happen
Never going to happen unfortunately. It’ll be too cost prohibitive.
heard of suburban rail loop?
@@MetroManMelbourne Even though that is a good idea, that will also be too cost prohibitive.
@@ChristosGreek you know that it is under construction and has a substantial part of its funding already committed...