these are the best youtube videos for learning holdem math. gone through several YT content creators and your vids are the simplified videos i was looking for
Think about it this way: if you were going to win a certain hand 25% of the time, then that means you would lose that same hand 75% of the time. That is a ratio of 3 to 1 (75% is three times as often as 25%). Therefore, the pot has to offer you 3 to 1 on your money in order for you to break even when your equity is 25%. 3:1 doesn't mean 1 out of 3, it means for every 1 time a certain outcome occurs, the opposite outcome will happen 3 times. (A total of 4 outcomes.) It's a tad confusing.
Hi Chris. The way you describe the hand, it is not +ev to call the turn bet. A break even turn bet (assuming no extra money goes in on the river) is about $30 in your situation. Remember with one card to come we are only 19% to hit the flush. Implied Odds (the chance more money goes in later, sweetening the pot) could alter this. Now the second part, def not the same. We prefer to draw, bc implied odds are present. On the river, it is only an explicit odds question, and clearly -ev.
3:1 means you get paid 3 when you bet 1. You need to win 25% of the time to break even. An example of 4 hands: lose 1, lose 1, lose 1, profit 3. Net gain/loss=0. Another way to look at it: 75% of the pot is dead money, 25% of the pot is at risk from you.
@imjjkr Thanks for the question. Your pot odds are expressed as a ratio of the call you are facing to the size of the pot. They are a fraction (or percentage) so the stakes you are playing at will not affect them. The stakes would affect what the ratio looks like before simplification, but not after. The odds of hitting a flopped flush draw by the river, for example, are 34% at any stake.
calculating equity is covered in our 'counting outs' video, which is included in our 'pot odds' course, along with some practice exercises. you can find out more at the first link in this video description. thanks for watching.
The ideal rule from my perspective is X x 2 for 1 card to come and X x 4 for 2 cards, with the exception of (X x 3) + 9 for over 9 outs. If you want to get more accurate with one card to come you can practice with this formula: [X × 2 + ((X × 2) ÷ 10)]%
Equity is card odds is hand equity. All those refer to the chance you end up with the best hand (completely ignoring the current pot or future bets). Pot Odds ignore your cards, and just tells you what odds you are getting on the immediate bet. Of course this video explains how to link both.
ive heard that if u have outs more than 8 then the formulaa changes into (outs x 4) - (outs - 8) but only on the flop. on the turn its regular (outs x 2)
i prefer pott odds to %. For % odds I have to do an extra calculation in my head to do the same thing. At the poker table this adds time to my decision. Thanks for the post.
I've been figuring out pot odds and hand odds every single hand i play since i posted this comment. Im up over $900 from live play so far. I think figuring out the odds every hand is the only way to play.
Another example would be the 10 in craps 3 ways out of 36 ways the dice can come up is 08% the 7 which can beat you has a probability of 6 ways out of 36 ways the dice can come up = 16% so the probability AGAINST you is 16% divided by 8% or TWO TO ONE AGAINST you Since the Casino is giving you 9 to 5 odds this ratio is 1.8 to 1 ODDS 1.8 Divided by the Probability TWO to One against you is a resultant answer of LESS then1 which means You are at a Disadvantage
Brian you are the man. I have a very interesting question for you as I feel you are the right person to ask. $100 bucks in the pot you have a flush draw and he bets 3/4, you call and then the last card is checked. Positive ev play right. Now take the same info and mix it up so that this time the 1st card is checked and the last card a 3/4 bet is called. In an abstract way is this still a similar positive ev situation???
hey, but wouldn't it have a different effect if our buy in each time we play is different? For example, let's say my friends and i play poker today for buy in of $50 dollars and next week we play for buy in of $300. Should I still go with this pot odds thing?
I also think this pot odds thing is whacky because this would basically mean that if everyone at the table went all-in before you you would be needing to call each and every time because then it's a huge profit of chance?
Hi.Can someone tell me how to calculate EQUITY? In this example you said that equity is 33% but I don't understand why.Can you tell me how to calculate equity
IF the casino where giving you 2.5 to 1 odds in the craps example on the 10 You would be at an advantage because Odds of 2.5 divided by Probaility of 2 to 1 AGAINST you yields yields a number Greater then One
Thanx for your answer you explained it great but if you look at this video put it at the end of url (watch?v=VU3UaMMUEzA) 25% equals to 4:1 so is the calculation is different in terms of poker/money? also if you take 100 divide it by 25 you get 4 so it sound correct which way is the right way?
Durahell, you make money by applying these ideas over the long run. If you just NEVER call when you're probably gonna lose you're playing bad. But I bet you do call with flush draws sometimes, no? It's fine as long as the money you win on times you catch is more than the money you lose all the times you don't.
Also, the example of everyone going all in pre flop and everyone calling for pot odds is WAY OFF. Some players think something like that and limp along w any two cards after a lot of callers cause "they're getting a good price" but that's not right cause you have to beat more players. Some hands are good multiway some are not. If everyone called/went all in you still can't call w bad hands cause they won't beat all players often enough even getting a big price. If 6 go all in you get 6 to 1
when you talk of pot odds it's best to talk odds, percentages, ratio rather than sticking to one. players must be conversant with all these math methods
If 6 players go all in pre flop and you're last to act with 72o you would be getting 6 to 1 and only have to win 1/7 to break even. 72o WILL NOT beat 6 opponents one time in seven.
I don't get how the probability of making the flush by the river is 33%? There are 9 clubs left in the deck of 45 cards (assuming there are only two players). On the turn the chance is 9/45, on the river it is 9/44. If you add them it is approximately 2/5, not 1/3.
For starters, there are 47 cards left (you've only seen your 2 hole cards+the 3 from the flop, 52-5=47, not 45). Second, you don't just add the 2 percentages together. On the turn you have a 9/47(19%) chance of hitting, which means you have a 38/47(81%) chance of NOT hitting. So instead of just taking a flat 9/46(19%) on the flop, you take 19% of the times you missed, which was 81% of the time. Which gets you 15%. So, adding together your chances on the turn (19%) plus your chances on the river after missing the turn (15%), you get 34%.
92pianoguy I understand your response here, but by coming up with 34%, you're basically calculating the odds for one and only one club to hit (at either the turn or the river). If you include the probability that we hit a club both on the turn and the river, then the probability of hitting a flush is close to the 40% assumed by Goutham. Correct?
I think what confused people here is the word equity with is more tradition defined as PROBABILITY So I believe if you take 25% in this example and divide it INTO POT ODDS 33%.......The SIMPLE way to think of it would be ANYTIME the result answer of that division is GREATER THEN 1 you have an advantage
Definitely wrong. You won’t ever get laid pot odds greater then 50% or 1:1 because there will always be dead money in the middle. If your hand has 50% equity then all that tells you is against any pot odds laid you have a profitable call, but most likely should be raising to now set worse pot odds for the other player.
You use numbers that are so easy to work with, use real life numbers. how do i figure pot odds when i have a flush draw off the flop, a player bets 280 into a 1250. what are my pot odds. how do i figure that out on the spot. You teaching us with easy to do numbers doesn't really help me, i need to know how to do this with every hand with any numbers. can you tell me how to do it? because this video just seems like a theory video, not actually how to do it.
2 and 1 are added together to make the whole, and then you look at 1 and it's a third of the whole which is 3. And the 2 is the other two thirds. Makes sense?
these are the best youtube videos for learning holdem math. gone through several YT content creators and your vids are the simplified videos i was looking for
Wow, thanks!
Think about it this way: if you were going to win a certain hand 25% of the time, then that means you would lose that same hand 75% of the time. That is a ratio of 3 to 1 (75% is three times as often as 25%). Therefore, the pot has to offer you 3 to 1 on your money in order for you to break even when your equity is 25%.
3:1 doesn't mean 1 out of 3, it means for every 1 time a certain outcome occurs, the opposite outcome will happen 3 times. (A total of 4 outcomes.)
It's a tad confusing.
Thank you this really helped
That's why I think it would be better to stay consistent- either odds ratio or percent - whichever method is easier for one to calculate.
Finally a solid explanation. You must’ve been a TA in college. Thanks for all the videos!!!
You are the best of all these contenders of teaching good poker playing.
You are an excellent teacher. Keep up the great job.
these videos are great !! thanks so much for making them !!
fantastic explanation! Thanks Buddy!!! Hug from Portugal!
Very well explained. Thank you.
You are welcome!
Hi Chris. The way you describe the hand, it is not +ev to call the turn bet. A break even turn bet (assuming no extra money goes in on the river) is about $30 in your situation. Remember with one card to come we are only 19% to hit the flush. Implied Odds (the chance more money goes in later, sweetening the pot) could alter this. Now the second part, def not the same. We prefer to draw, bc implied odds are present. On the river, it is only an explicit odds question, and clearly -ev.
3:1 means you get paid 3 when you bet 1. You need to win 25% of the time to break even. An example of 4 hands: lose 1, lose 1, lose 1, profit 3. Net gain/loss=0. Another way to look at it: 75% of the pot is dead money, 25% of the pot is at risk from you.
@imjjkr Thanks for the question. Your pot odds are expressed as a ratio of the call you are facing to the size of the pot. They are a fraction (or percentage) so the stakes you are playing at will not affect them. The stakes would affect what the ratio looks like before simplification, but not after. The odds of hitting a flopped flush draw by the river, for example, are 34% at any stake.
Thanks so much for the vid, very good explanation man!
Glad it was helpful!
calculating equity is covered in our 'counting outs' video, which is included in our 'pot odds' course, along with some practice exercises. you can find out more at the first link in this video description. thanks for watching.
you are correct if you compare pot odds and equity in ratio form. in percentage form it is the reverse. thanks for the comment.
The ideal rule from my perspective is X x 2 for 1 card to come and X x 4 for 2 cards, with the exception of (X x 3) + 9 for over 9 outs. If you want to get more accurate with one card to come you can practice with this formula: [X × 2 + ((X × 2) ÷ 10)]%
@dvl2pac you are correct if you compare pot odds and equity in ratio form. in percentage form it is the reverse. thanks for the comment.
Equity is card odds is hand equity. All those refer to the chance you end up with the best hand (completely ignoring the current pot or future bets). Pot Odds ignore your cards, and just tells you what odds you are getting on the immediate bet. Of course this video explains how to link both.
ive heard that if u have outs more than 8 then the formulaa changes into
(outs x 4) - (outs - 8) but only on the flop. on the turn its regular (outs x 2)
Yes, it should be 35% equity 9 out x 4 = 36 -1 = 35%
i prefer pott odds to %. For % odds I have to do an extra calculation in my head to do the same thing. At the poker table this adds time to my decision. Thanks for the post.
I've been figuring out pot odds and hand odds every single hand i play since i posted this comment. Im up over $900 from live play so far. I think figuring out the odds every hand is the only way to play.
Do you have a calculator when you play? Lol
Another example would be the 10 in craps 3 ways out of 36 ways the dice can come up is 08% the 7 which can beat you has a probability of 6 ways out of 36 ways the dice can come up = 16% so the probability AGAINST you is 16% divided by 8% or TWO TO ONE AGAINST you
Since the Casino is giving you 9 to 5 odds this ratio is 1.8 to 1 ODDS
1.8 Divided by the Probability TWO to One against you is a resultant answer of LESS then1 which means You are at a Disadvantage
Brian you are the man. I have a very interesting question for you as I feel you are the right person to ask.
$100 bucks in the pot you have a flush draw and he bets 3/4, you call and then the last card is checked. Positive ev play right. Now take the same info and mix it up so that this time the 1st card is checked and the last card a 3/4 bet is called. In an abstract way is this still a similar positive ev situation???
can you do a video on bank roll mgmt. ur math is very clear. thinking that might be a natural area that fits with your style...
hey, but wouldn't it have a different effect if our buy in each time we play is different? For example, let's say my friends and i play poker today for buy in of $50 dollars and next week we play for buy in of $300. Should I still go with this pot odds thing?
34.9% to be exact. Some round to 35%, but most think of it as 33.33% or 1/3 for easy math.
good explanation series, thx
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I also think this pot odds thing is whacky because this would basically mean that if everyone at the table went all-in before you you would be needing to call each and every time because then it's a huge profit of chance?
Hi.Can someone tell me how to calculate EQUITY? In this example you said that equity is 33% but I don't understand why.Can you tell me how to calculate equity
This video helps a lot, but I'm still not clear if equity is the same concept as card odds.
IF the casino where giving you 2.5 to 1 odds in the craps example on the 10 You would be at an advantage because Odds of 2.5 divided by Probaility of 2 to 1 AGAINST you yields yields a number Greater then One
Thanx for your answer you explained it great
but if you look at this video put it at the end of url (watch?v=VU3UaMMUEzA) 25% equals to 4:1
so is the calculation is different in terms of poker/money?
also if you take 100 divide it by 25 you get 4 so it sound correct
which way is the right way?
Durahell, you make money by applying these ideas over the long run. If you just NEVER call when you're probably gonna lose you're playing bad. But I bet you do call with flush draws sometimes, no? It's fine as long as the money you win on times you catch is more than the money you lose all the times you don't.
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The hand equity is 35% not 33. Why didn’t you show how you got the hand equilty? 9 outs x 4 =36 -1 = 35%
Also, the example of everyone going all in pre flop and everyone calling for pot odds is WAY OFF. Some players think something like that and limp along w any two cards after a lot of callers cause "they're getting a good price" but that's not right cause you have to beat more players. Some hands are good multiway some are not. If everyone called/went all in you still can't call w bad hands cause they won't beat all players often enough even getting a big price. If 6 go all in you get 6 to 1
Percentage plz!
Wait, so how do you calculate equity of your hand..?
Your outs
I dont understand why 3:1 is 25%
according to other videos i saw
3:1 should be 33%
I understand how you calculated that but which way is the right way
when you talk of pot odds it's best to talk odds, percentages, ratio rather than sticking to one. players must be conversant with all these math methods
Both
I prefer the percentage method of calculating pot odds.
I prefer percentage method
program called pokerstove. Its free and easy.
If 6 players go all in pre flop and you're last to act with 72o you would be getting 6 to 1 and only have to win 1/7 to break even. 72o WILL NOT beat 6 opponents one time in seven.
I don't get how the probability of making the flush by the river is 33%?
There are 9 clubs left in the deck of 45 cards (assuming there are only two players). On the turn the chance is 9/45, on the river it is 9/44. If you add them it is approximately 2/5, not 1/3.
For starters, there are 47 cards left (you've only seen your 2 hole cards+the 3 from the flop, 52-5=47, not 45). Second, you don't just add the 2 percentages together. On the turn you have a 9/47(19%) chance of hitting, which means you have a 38/47(81%) chance of NOT hitting. So instead of just taking a flat 9/46(19%) on the flop, you take 19% of the times you missed, which was 81% of the time. Which gets you 15%. So, adding together your chances on the turn (19%) plus your chances on the river after missing the turn (15%), you get 34%.
92pianoguy I understand your response here, but by coming up with 34%, you're basically calculating the odds for one and only one club to hit (at either the turn or the river). If you include the probability that we hit a club both on the turn and the river, then the probability of hitting a flush is close to the 40% assumed by Goutham. Correct?
actually the K of clubs is one of the cards that you lose, but you do not know this
so you win with 8 clubs.
+Tom Avi You don't lose to the king of clubs unless you are assuming the board has paired. A flush beats trips
I think what confused people here is the word equity with is more tradition defined as PROBABILITY
So I believe if you take 25% in this example and divide it INTO POT ODDS 33%.......The SIMPLE way to think of it would be ANYTIME the result answer of that division is GREATER THEN 1 you have an advantage
Definitely wrong. You won’t ever get laid pot odds greater then 50% or 1:1 because there will always be dead money in the middle. If your hand has 50% equity then all that tells you is against any pot odds laid you have a profitable call, but most likely should be raising to now set worse pot odds for the other player.
You use numbers that are so easy to work with, use real life numbers. how do i figure pot odds when i have a flush draw off the flop, a player bets 280 into a 1250. what are my pot odds. how do i figure that out on the spot. You teaching us with easy to do numbers doesn't really help me, i need to know how to do this with every hand with any numbers. can you tell me how to do it? because this video just seems like a theory video, not actually how to do it.
How the fuck 2:1 is a 33%? Shouldn't it be 50%?
2 and 1 are added together to make the whole, and then you look at 1 and it's a third of the whole which is 3. And the 2 is the other two thirds. Makes sense?
well yeah, I confused two methods with each other, but thanks anyway
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