RCA's and speaker termimals are measured with AC on amps. Sine wave runs will show clipping for the tune, just make sure all inputs measure within 1volt👌
Your videos are 🔥🔥🔥 all or at least 99% of your viewers can see I am blind and still love to do car audio and what impresses people the most is seeing me install it with very little help so I listen to your videos to help me out with newer generational type shit lol
This video explains it extremely well, but tbh my 2 sets of JL audio c2 650x Coaxials has everyone thinking I'm running components. Really the sound is so crisp and vocals are so dynamic it blows people away. I also love how easy they were to install thanks to them being Coaxials.
@@alejandroperez5368 You want focals coming partly from the top and partly from the bottom? I never said they have to be near the legs. Coaxials at earhight would be ideal yes. You want all the sound coming from the same point.
Another option for keeping the tweeter protected while using an active crossover, is adding a capacitor between the tweeter and the amp. So any low frequency that could come through, be it power on thump or a DSP failure, it'd have protection. Plus the capacitor will also help block any DC power caused by clipping. I've bought some 100uF and 50uF capacitors to use for the protection for my Dayton Audio ND25TA-4 tweeters I'll be using in my car audio project, since I'm going to be using AudioControl's DSP based amplifiers for a full DIY 3-way configuration in my CR-V. :) The sale of the AudioControl amps on Crutchfield helped me pull the trigger on the D-6.1200 and the D-4.800, the only thing that disappointed me, which is not the fault of Crutchfield at all, is the fact no one makes any bypass harnesses for the factory amp in the 2012 ~ 2016 Honda CR-V. Oh well, I'm working on making my own harness using a used factory amp for the connectors, customizing a PCB for those connectors, and going to run the differential-balanced signals from the headunit straight into the AudioControl amps! Utilizing the amp turn on and amp mute signals will be easy with a couple of solid state relays. A Normally Open and a Normally Closed relay should do the trick nicely there. I'll likely document my work as I keep going. Thank you for all the inspirations you've been providing, Mark. Despite me primarily being heavily into DIY on my home theater system, you've still provided great tips and how to guides I feel are beneficial for future DIY projects within the home along with the car. :)
Man I'd love to put a DSP in my car. I'm using the head unit's crossover and EQ and it's better than expected, but still not the fine grain control I want. Although for what I paid, my car sounds awesome.
Emmanuel Umukoro I mean sure, but pre determined values that I can only select. On my other amp in the house that has dsp, I can select any frequency I want for the crossover, and the order, 1st to I think 8th. And not just a Lowpass, but both. (Car can only Highpass speakers, and Lowpass Sub) For the EQ side I can pick my frequency's to tweak and choose how wide I want to tweak it. Basically more freedom.
Not to mention the quality of the head unit. The best speakers in the world aren't going to help if they're wired to a 1992 Audiovox head unit from O'Rielly's
just installed my first set of component massive audio fc6.3 in my touareg front door. cut a hole in the panel for the midrange, scary as hell but it turned out dope. my car now sounds better than my home theater. considering living in my car.
I have had ONE SET Focal K2's for 7 years. I have had 10 subs, 8 amps, 4 head unit,s and one set of Focals K2's. I have had them transferred into the 4 cars that I have owned over the years. And I have challenged Audio store owners to compare my system to theirs ( in their boards). Does that tell you how good they are!!!!! OUTSTANDING
An interesting thing to add regarding sensitivity is how it affects the way the speaker reproduces the input material. A speaker with a higher sensitivity will usually also have a higher grade of definition and speed. When it comes to musical playback, the definition is where the excitement in the music is.
@@johnclark3067 Utopia is next level...Soundwise AND moneywise... Currently I'm running the Focal AS series (entry level components) so K2 Power will be fairly big step up for me. Btw how do you like your's?
@@DagnisCC Mine are probably not even broken in yet. I am going to buy the 3" mids and go three-way active soon. Looking at Zapco for a 6 x 100 class ab amp.
My head unit has time alignment. So I’m doing a simple 4ch and mono amp setup with 6x9 coaxials in the back and 6.5 components up front. I went with the Sony Mobile ES which are excellent speakers for the price.
JL audio is the best speakers and amps going right now. I can tell you I have been listening and putting together systems in both home and car and vans and back in the 80's it was ADS and Concord head units, then smoother came and went, but right now, the cleanest power and the most accurate speakers are being made by JL audio. Try to by the best speakers they make and match up the power with the amp that can also power the subwoofer also by JL audio. It sounds so good to have everything matched up from that one company. Chose whatever head unit you like, I prefer the Pioneer but that can change from year to year, the JL audio will not be changing. I am very said at the moment because I am stepping into a Lexus that comes with Mark Levinson sound system and it is not nearly as nice as the JL audio I'm leaving behind in my old Honda.
One other benefit to using passive crossovers - some incorporate compensation networks to help keep the impedance curve flatter. An example is Linear Power. I hope to have Ray Rayfield in an upcoming 12V Talk podcast so he can further explain. Great vid as always, Mark! 👌
that would be great Big D if you have Ray on because passive crossovers would be a good topic I bet you'll get a lot of questions I know I'll have a few.
Been following you a long time. your content is top notch, and your subscriber success is the direct result of pounding the pavement on here. Make sure to mention the faux-component systems that do have 2 drivers, but don't have a real crossover. Just a HPF on the tweeter wired inline with woofer.
Crutchfield will tell you nothing good will fit in your car. You must go to a professional installer that can tell you what you can actually fit. Crutchfield has told me that the last 2 receivers I had installed would not fit but they fit fine. They also told me the last 2 components wouldn't fit but with the help of spacers they fit fine. When it comes to car audio you want the deepest depth speaker you can fit in that space, do not let crutchfield sell something a half inch shallower because they really don't know. That half inch could mean the difference in good mid range or no midrange!!! You haven't heard music until you've heard a pair of Focal K2 Power 165KRX2's baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crutchfield isn't always right on the fitment. So far its been wrong for me twice. And today I will find out if my Polk 6×9 db fit, Crutchfield says they won't but I'm sure they are wrong again. But I still buy from Crutchfield because they have great customer service.
I was turned on to Focal a few years ago, put 6 sets of these in my old boat and 2 old school 15's on some old 90's rockfords... Old boats louder then 130k air natique with a 40 year note heh heh
@@lanelawrence9022 , while you are correct, one of the reasons for the higher price is that the fantastic service for life and liberal return policy. If you noticed , lately the price is similar to the rest of the web.
If you have select between JBl GTO 609c , Infinity Reference REF-6530CX, Polk Audio DB6501, JBL Club 6500C......what would you choose? Note: In this pandemic, these are the only products that are deliverable. So my choices are limited to these only.
Wow car audio is such an interesting rabbit hole. I personally just wire 4 decent door speakers directly to the head unit and add an amp and sub in the back somewhere. Achieved very decent results and saw no need to go further. There's an 80/20 rule when it comes to results. You can achieve 80% of the result by putting in 20% of the work and money. You'd need 80% of the work and money to achieve that remaining 20%. I'm sure the end result is worth it but dang.. you must have some high brow clientele for your installs. It would be an interesting video to see the client interaction side of your business. Where you discuss product and numbers with your customers.
Yeah Crutchfield is great. I remwmber browsing and drooling over sruff in their magazine back when i was a kid. Ofcourse eventually my dreams became a reality. Thanks to Crutchfield for decades of fun😀😀
So when they give the RMS rating for a set of component speakers, does that include both the woofer and the tweeter? say the rating is for 80 watts rms, will that 80 watts be for the woofer and the tweeter or is it 80 watts for each of them, making a total of 160 watts?
Hi Mark, thanks for the grt info. I have a question, I want to upgrade my car audio and want decent bass with good clear sound and don’t want to use a subwoofer. I m ok to invest in good components n head units. Also do I need to install an amplifier? Thanks in advance.. love from India 🇮🇳
binge watching your videos, verry interesting. Question though; if you have crossovers like the Focals have, is it still useful to invest in a standalone DSP?
Now my big Q is if I have active crossover built in amplifier how many channels required for 2 rear 2 front speakers and 2 mid and 2 tweets 8? Or 6? If 6 then how to connect the other 2? Please help me thank you in advance.
I have a set of Focal 6.5 component speakers and was wondering how can I mount them in my F-150 supercab rear doors using and aftermarket adapter or making my own.
I have focal k2p in my Jeep and they are amazing you will not be let down for you will here every nuance and you will want to move in to your car,lol I have a rockford fosgate power t600 100 × 4 ,please put sound deadening in your ride for these are loud and proud,I have used kicker,morel,and by far if you move toward a high dollar focal set you will not look back, very impressed.
FYI, Alpine Type R separates out perform most high end component sets, at 1/10th of the price. I’ve had experience with type R’s for many many years, and have installed/used many. Just put some descent power to them. Just my 20 years of experience.
@@joesmith389 just put in Alpine 149 HD bte been a Pioneer premier guy for decades and I'm impressed with the features ,sound quality is good with the Rockford T600 on mids and highs.
I'm running a component with crossover set up. Would I need to set my crossover on my amp and head unit? Or should I turn them off? And let the crossover from the components do their job?
I have a crazy seeming question. I have a 2+2 convertible. There are speakers: 2x 6-1/2" by my feet 2x ? tweeters near the side mirrors 2x 6x9 in the back seat (l/r) I assume it's wired to have the tweeters linked to the foot speakers but the rear speakers are closer and more in the open. Should I use a component set in the back & tweeter locations? I might not need the foot speakers at all. My fear is that because all the mid will come from the back and all the high will come from the front, a sweep or guitar solo would move all over. That might get old really "fast"
Hi I have installed the same but can you let me know the best setting for crossover I do not have a amplifier,I find my tweeter bill too high on vocals Thanks
Question: is it possible to connect 2 woofers to 1 passive crossover? I plan to build 2 woofers into my doors instead of 1 woofer. Hope to get an answer before I start cutting a second hole in my door
Here's a heads up: Ask your installer to provide a diagram of the full sound system that's been installed (at that date); in some circles this is colloquially referred to as an Ice Map. This diagram specifies which speakers run from the head unit or the amp, and the layout of the amplifiers (some people have more than one amp) and other equipment (e.g. capacitors/ dedicated main battery, etc.).
what is the best coax you ever heard? and what is the best 3 way with small midrange and best midrange? im hesitating between dynaudio, morel, focal, hertz, audison, polk & others( like infinity midrange).. but its very very hard to choose... i want best from 60-70hz and up.. i need perfect tone.. (note im not counting crossover just the drivers)
I personally think if your gonna use a component speakers you should just use a mid range driver and some real tweets using a 4 channel amp to it's true abilitys. If you just wanna swap speakers you a coaxial.
So he said something I'm thinking about. I have a 02 deville with a bose factory amplifier. There's an total of 8 speakers running the speakers. 4 door speakers fronts 6.5 and rear doors 5.25, 1 8" subwoofer back dashboard, 2 tweeters in the front door pillars, and 1 small speaker in the center front dashboard. Can I run the component set through the factory amplifier? I already have 2 15" P2s on a prime 750.1 birth sheet says 879rms.
Outside of being able to mount the tweeter in a different location how do these compare to coaxial speaker that also come with crossovers? Alpine type R for example
Late reply, I know, but I have the Alpine R components and the solid woofer cone is usually the vast difference over the coaxial hollow cone. Had a pair of pioneer coaxials once, and the mids are just not there.
Happy new year Mark, as usual another great knowledge added. I’m still trying to find 18mm MDF material for my box at EGYPT 🇪🇬 lol 😂 anyway this video came at the right time as I need some help with my setup What I have so far for my system is below Pioneer head unit AppRadio 4 2 sets front and rear components 6 3/4” Rockford fosgate T-1 power series. One subwoofer as you know 15” alpine type R with your stunning subwoofer box blue print design I’ve purchased from you (so far the best part at my sound system) 4 Rockford fosgate amps matched RMS ( 4ch for mid bass - 4ch for TWT - 1ch mono for sub - 2ch for 2 mid range speakers) Rockford fosgate 3sixty.3 DSP tons of Rockford fosgate accessories 10 farad capacitor and wires, amp kits and beakers bla bla bla, Odyssey battery PC680 with specs that I’m afraid it’s small 170CCA, 280MCA, 350HCA and 520 cranking amps for 5 seconds, and trying to upgrade my amp from 80 to 250 amps, RTA mic and SMD DD1 also almost all tools you have mentioned at your videos The 2 speakers for mid range are 4” Focal Access 1 165 A3 and it came without cross over as a replacement for a component set, the problem is I don’t know how to set the 8 channels on DSP and is the focal speakers will match with my component Rockford sets? Should I run it all active or passive for Rockford sets? I’m really confused and I believe I made a mistake with my purchase What is your Input in my setup? This is a link for my 4” focal midrange set without cross overs www.manualslib.com/manual/52815/Focal-Access-1-165-A3.html?page=2#manual
Hello Mark, Maybe you can help. I am looking into marine speakers by Polk Audio for my motorcycle. Yet I can’t find any specification sheets on the DB vs MM1 5.25. Can you help. Thank you, Tim H. (Forest Lake, MN).
Great video. Could you help me. I have a MB W205, I have added twetters, Hifonics vx 6.2t. Now I have also replaced the standard speakers, only the front ones, they were horrible. I have put these. Crunch dsx42. Sounds good, but a little canned sound. Is it possible that having tweeter and coaxial together is not too good? Or maybe you should put in a crossover to remove the low frequencies from the coax. THANKS!!!
Do I have to use the woofer inputs on my 3 way crossovers even if I don't have woofers to connect because all I'm using is mids and tweets so the question still is do I have to use the woofer inputs...?!
I actually have two sets of 6.5” Focal components in my car. Pricy but sound phenomenal. Bought them in 2011 and are still going strong. From 2011-2018 they were installed using the regular passive setup and sounded great. Recently had everything installed in a 2018 Accord and they did the active setup. It’s a world of difference in sound. Especially with high-end speakers like Focal it is very worth getting the most out of them. It’s like going from a regular exhaust to a free-flow dual exhaust.
Is a in-line crossover a bad thing vs passive crossover, or active crossover? If your useing a crossover on a amp or headunit, do you use the in-line crossover still or take it out?
Love the channel!! Do you have any videos on wiring a mid-range, mid-bass, and tweeter? I have a center speaker in my dash that is mid-range, and I have a 4-channel amp, but I'm not sure how to run the speaker wire from the amp.
Do I need to install an amp? Don't stereos have built in amps? Can I just replace the woofer and not the stock tweeters if my car has tweeters and woofers? Or do I need coax for the built it crossover?
Yep, usually more power means more money 💰. I usually go with coaxial speakers but rely on quality components, materials, installation, and tuning. It's not cheap but it isn't crazy expensive either. 2-3 grand give or take not including labor, time, and effort.
loved the video Mark. would be most interested if you would compare the various high end Focals, especially the woofers: KRX2 vs the new ES series vs Utopia 165 R-WC vs Utopia M, and so forth.
If I wanted to to add a Center Dash channel to a stock 4-channel radio, is it OK to use the left front positive lead, and the right front negative lead with an 8 ohm L-pad to create a center dash mono channel?
My 02 E320 had the Bose system. I think it sounded great. Crisp, clear, and just the right amount of bass, but all the drivers were paper so time kicked there ass.
Small note; In your example you were measuring the DC resistance of the speaker, not the impedance. The nominal impedance will always be higher than the Re.
Need help. I have the focal expert component set. I’m using a 4-channel amp to power the 2 component sets in the front and 2 -2way speakers in the rear doors. I removed the “bi-amp” tab that is in the focal crossover and ran a total of 4 wires from the amp using 2 of the channels to the crossover and 2wires from the crossover to the tweeter and mid. Basically I’m using all 8 terminals on the focal crossover. Issue: sounds like garbage .... can’t hear hardly anything from the tweeter and the mid sounds muffled. I have sound deadening in the doors . The gain only seams to make the speakers sound worse. Please help me with what I’m doing wrong. I’m using the precision power 4400 80watts rms clean per channel . Any help would be appreciated
I have 6.5 coaxial in my rear doors, mid bass 6x9s, and coaxial 3.5s. Should I get rid of the 3.5 coaxial and 6.5 coaxial and go with all components except the tweeters?
Why component and tweeter? Why not loudspeaker and tweeter? Like with skar, you can get spx component set with tweeters for like 150$ish or you can get two fsx loudspeakers and a set of their high compression 3.5 tweeters for like the same price but this set would handle more power which I assume means they probably louder too? Component get lower generally?
Your typical car is one of the worst audio environments you could possibly have. You have treble absorbing seats right next to highly reflective windows with rattling trim everywhere. Each person is sitting offset from center with no good placement for midrange or tweeters without being totally obnoxious about it. Add to that the bumpy ride, terribly dirty electrical source, dust, heat, cold, humidity, and incredibly destructive sunlight.
I have component focal 165as but the tweeters sound wayyyyyy to low like i cant hear them, im thinking my crossover might be bad now. Whats the best passive crossover upgrade i can get?
Do the factory components have a xover installed somewhere? Or does the head unit supply separate channels for the rtweeters & door speakers? Trying to g Figure out how many channels I need for a dsp/amp . Thanks
Why not give a number of how many watts the crossover eats? I am sure each are different but at least give us some figures, averages. Instead of 'it eats up some of the power"? :)
Please help! I have Alpine CDE-163BT Advanced Bluetooth CD Receiver with Alpine SPS-610 Coax in the soundbar of my Jeep and SPS-610C in the front with the tweeters mounted facing me. I added an Alpine S-A32F amp with channels 1&2 for the front speakers and Channel 3&4 for the rear speakers. But now the tweeters are HELL to listen to even with the FREQ selector for Channel 1&2 turned down or up. The shrill is unbearable. And the treble on the radio is at "0". How can I turn them down? Do I need a digital signal processor or passive crossovers even though they came with their own in-line crossovers? I'm about to rip my ears out or rip everything out of my Jeep!
Any advice or brand you would consider for a component setup for a crew cab F-250. Already have aftermarket tweeters in the rear doors, however I need to replace the older kickers currently in place. They won’t be able to handle an amp with the power I’m wanting to push. Thank you and great videos always learning
I am wanting to upgrade the factory speakers in my sedan. I was quoted the following configuration, can someone weigh in on this please: Focal Integration Series 6x9 Component System Focal Integration Series 6x9 Kicker 12" Thin Down Firing Subwoofer and Passive Radiator Kicker CXA Series Amp 400x1 at 1 ohm
Mark has officially hit the peak of sponsorships Crutchfield doesn't just sponsor anyone. You're the man!
Crutchfield are definitely an A1 organization. Their site is exemplary.
No I don't work for them.
Way to go getting Crutchfield for a sponsor.
LOL
Vervent owns Focal. Not crutchfield.
@@200434ton Crutchfield who usually sponsors CAF sells Focal who is owned by Vervent (among other brands)
every time i watch a video to understand watts to ohms to amps i get more confused than before i watch them.
RCA's and speaker termimals are measured with AC on amps. Sine wave runs will show clipping for the tune, just make sure all inputs measure within 1volt👌
DVD wire doagramfor car
Watt = power (or ability to take power)
Ohms = resistance of the speaker (actually impedance = complex resistance).
how many "what"s in this video?
Watts law is P=VI ohms law is V=IR
Your videos are 🔥🔥🔥 all or at least 99% of your viewers can see I am blind and still love to do car audio and what impresses people the most is seeing me install it with very little help so I listen to your videos to help me out with newer generational type shit lol
This video explains it extremely well, but tbh my 2 sets of JL audio c2 650x Coaxials has everyone thinking I'm running components. Really the sound is so crisp and vocals are so dynamic it blows people away. I also love how easy they were to install thanks to them being Coaxials.
Coaxials are sonically much better .
The myth that components are better is wrong.
@@ekimandersom4478why
@@olivergoodwin1348 Because you want the highs and lows coming from the same point.
@@ekimandersom4478 so you want the vocals coming from the leg area ? Your legs will block the audio path... Terrible idea.
@@alejandroperez5368 You want focals coming partly from the top and partly from the bottom?
I never said they have to be near the legs.
Coaxials at earhight would be ideal yes.
You want all the sound coming from the same point.
Another option for keeping the tweeter protected while using an active crossover, is adding a capacitor between the tweeter and the amp. So any low frequency that could come through, be it power on thump or a DSP failure, it'd have protection. Plus the capacitor will also help block any DC power caused by clipping.
I've bought some 100uF and 50uF capacitors to use for the protection for my Dayton Audio ND25TA-4 tweeters I'll be using in my car audio project, since I'm going to be using AudioControl's DSP based amplifiers for a full DIY 3-way configuration in my CR-V. :)
The sale of the AudioControl amps on Crutchfield helped me pull the trigger on the D-6.1200 and the D-4.800, the only thing that disappointed me, which is not the fault of Crutchfield at all, is the fact no one makes any bypass harnesses for the factory amp in the 2012 ~ 2016 Honda CR-V. Oh well, I'm working on making my own harness using a used factory amp for the connectors, customizing a PCB for those connectors, and going to run the differential-balanced signals from the headunit straight into the AudioControl amps! Utilizing the amp turn on and amp mute signals will be easy with a couple of solid state relays. A Normally Open and a Normally Closed relay should do the trick nicely there. I'll likely document my work as I keep going.
Thank you for all the inspirations you've been providing, Mark. Despite me primarily being heavily into DIY on my home theater system, you've still provided great tips and how to guides I feel are beneficial for future DIY projects within the home along with the car. :)
Man I'd love to put a DSP in my car. I'm using the head unit's crossover and EQ and it's better than expected, but still not the fine grain control I want. Although for what I paid, my car sounds awesome.
just so you know, if your adjusting crossover points you already have a dsp
Emmanuel Umukoro I mean sure, but pre determined values that I can only select. On my other amp in the house that has dsp, I can select any frequency I want for the crossover, and the order, 1st to I think 8th. And not just a Lowpass, but both. (Car can only Highpass speakers, and Lowpass Sub) For the EQ side I can pick my frequency's to tweak and choose how wide I want to tweak it.
Basically more freedom.
@Reese
Sure like to know what the hell you're talking about. I wasn't aware I was missing out on that much music. 😮
Love your knowledge man. You inspire me to be better at car audio. Thanks a lot bud. Much appreciated.
Not to mention the quality of the head unit. The best speakers in the world aren't going to help if they're wired to a 1992 Audiovox head unit from O'Rielly's
just installed my first set of component massive audio fc6.3 in my touareg front door. cut a hole in the panel for the midrange, scary as hell but it turned out dope. my car now sounds better than my home theater. considering living in my car.
if my shins had ears id be deaf :)
I have had ONE SET Focal K2's for 7 years. I have had 10 subs, 8 amps, 4 head unit,s and one set of Focals K2's. I have had them transferred into the 4 cars that I have owned over the years. And I have challenged Audio store owners to compare my system to theirs ( in their boards). Does that tell you how good they are!!!!! OUTSTANDING
I regret selling mine. I had the 165K2 poly Kevlar’s from 2002. Best sounding speaker ever.
An interesting thing to add regarding sensitivity is how it affects the way the speaker reproduces the input material. A speaker with a higher sensitivity will usually also have a higher grade of definition and speed. When it comes to musical playback, the definition is where the excitement in the music is.
Man i have exactly same Focal set sitting on the shelf next to me... Can't wait to install them! Thanks for vid.
I have the older ones 165krx2. Have you seen the new utopia m series?
@@johnclark3067 Utopia is next level...Soundwise AND moneywise... Currently I'm running the Focal AS series (entry level components) so K2 Power will be fairly big step up for me. Btw how do you like your's?
@@DagnisCC Mine are probably not even broken in yet. I am going to buy the 3" mids and go three-way active soon. Looking at Zapco for a 6 x 100 class ab amp.
@@johnclark3067 Yeah 3 way front is way to go. I will feed mine from Mosconi 130.4 :)
Ive had these exact same set up. Such bad ass speakers
My head unit has time alignment. So I’m doing a simple 4ch and mono amp setup with 6x9 coaxials in the back and 6.5 components up front. I went with the Sony Mobile ES which are excellent speakers for the price.
A very good video.
A lot of good information.
A component set will give you a much cleaner sound.
Were you a bartender at one time? If you shake those speakers around anymore, they will have to be renamed to Mid Bass Mixers on the Rocks.
JL audio is the best speakers and amps going right now. I can tell you I have been listening and putting together systems in both home and car and vans and back in the 80's it was ADS and Concord head units, then smoother came and went, but right now, the cleanest power and the most accurate speakers are being made by JL audio.
Try to by the best speakers they make and match up the power with the amp that can also power the subwoofer also by JL audio. It sounds so good to have everything matched up from that one company. Chose whatever head unit you like, I prefer the Pioneer but that can change from year to year, the JL audio will not be changing. I am very said at the moment because I am stepping into a Lexus that comes with Mark Levinson sound system and it is not nearly as nice as the JL audio I'm leaving behind in my old Honda.
Good video, but I wish you would’ve covered bi-amping the passive crossover especially since that red tag was in most of the shots of the crossover.
I'll explain biamping in a future video. Lots of information in this one and wanted to keep it somewhat basic.
One other benefit to using passive crossovers - some incorporate compensation networks to help keep the impedance curve flatter. An example is Linear Power. I hope to have Ray Rayfield in an upcoming 12V Talk podcast so he can further explain. Great vid as always, Mark! 👌
What did you do with BigDWiz?
Channel name changed...its still bigdwiz tho! 😎
@@riveralley want channel name to match content. New viewers have no idea who or what BigDWiz is. I'm still the big dummy, so no worries there
@@wal Can you amp dyno the Cv2800 for my buddy Doublsmm?
that would be great Big D if you have Ray on because passive crossovers would be a good topic I bet you'll get a lot of questions I know I'll have a few.
Been following you a long time. your content is top notch, and your subscriber success is the direct result of pounding the pavement on here. Make sure to mention the faux-component systems that do have 2 drivers, but don't have a real crossover. Just a HPF on the tweeter wired inline with woofer.
Just found your channel, great vids. Tangible, direct, easy to understand, informative, & well put together. Nice job, keep it up👍🏼.
Crutchfield will tell you nothing good will fit in your car. You must go to a professional installer that can tell you what you can actually fit. Crutchfield has told me that the last 2 receivers I had installed would not fit but they fit fine. They also told me the last 2 components wouldn't fit but with the help of spacers they fit fine. When it comes to car audio you want the deepest depth speaker you can fit in that space, do not let crutchfield sell something a half inch shallower because they really don't know. That half inch could mean the difference in good mid range or no midrange!!! You haven't heard music until you've heard a pair of Focal K2 Power 165KRX2's baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crutchfield isn't always right on the fitment. So far its been wrong for me twice. And today I will find out if my Polk 6×9 db fit, Crutchfield says they won't but I'm sure they are wrong again. But I still buy from Crutchfield because they have great customer service.
Thanks for this video,has answered alot of questions I've been asking myself.
Excellent explanation! Thank you
I want some of those Focals now! Thanks Mark for always making me make expensive purchases 😂 I'll check out Crutchfield
DO IT! (Have a pair in my truck and install them all the time)
Love Crutchfield from way back in the 90's.
Its by far the best website and service a model of how every company should be
WAY back in the '70s...
Still my favourite
I was turned on to Focal a few years ago, put 6 sets of these in my old boat and 2 old school 15's on some old 90's rockfords... Old boats louder then 130k air natique with a 40 year note heh heh
CarAudioFabrication to car audio is like what Fitment Industries is to wheels and tires
Who dat?
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IN DUS TRIES
I had ordered some components for my 02 sequoia my tweeters fit almost perfect in the factory location with the 6.5 speakers
I remember when old MB QUART was king. I’ve been out of the game for awhile what’s good these days?
Been using Crutchfield for years, great service.
Over priced
@@lanelawrence9022 , while you are correct, one of the reasons for the higher price is that the fantastic service for life and liberal return policy. If you noticed , lately the price is similar to the rest of the web.
@@oldmenruleracing this is true. Crutchfields prices are the same as everywhere else at the moment
If you have select between JBl GTO 609c , Infinity Reference REF-6530CX, Polk Audio DB6501, JBL Club 6500C......what would you choose?
Note: In this pandemic, these are the only products that are deliverable. So my choices are limited to these only.
What did you end up picking?
My anxiety shoots watching you swing that crossover around.. 🤑
Wow car audio is such an interesting rabbit hole. I personally just wire 4 decent door speakers directly to the head unit and add an amp and sub in the back somewhere. Achieved very decent results and saw no need to go further. There's an 80/20 rule when it comes to results. You can achieve 80% of the result by putting in 20% of the work and money. You'd need 80% of the work and money to achieve that remaining 20%. I'm sure the end result is worth it but dang.. you must have some high brow clientele for your installs. It would be an interesting video to see the client interaction side of your business. Where you discuss product and numbers with your customers.
I only order head units from Crutchfield-they provide harnesses, adapters, kits, installations instructions...you always get what you need!
The last 5 decks I have bought have been from Crutchfield. I love the install kits and the support I can get from just picking up the phone.
Great for door speakers too; last time they threw in harnesses and mounting brackets for free
Yeah Crutchfield is great. I remwmber browsing and drooling over sruff in their magazine back when i was a kid. Ofcourse eventually my dreams became a reality. Thanks to Crutchfield for decades of fun😀😀
So when they give the RMS rating for a set of component speakers, does that include both the woofer and the tweeter? say the rating is for 80 watts rms, will that 80 watts be for the woofer and the tweeter or is it 80 watts for each of them, making a total of 160 watts?
Why wont anyone answer this. I've seen this question everywhere and need to know. Mark where are you
That power rating is total, woofer and tweeter together.
Hi Mark, thanks for the grt info. I have a question, I want to upgrade my car audio and want decent bass with good clear sound and don’t want to use a subwoofer. I m ok to invest in good components n head units. Also do I need to install an amplifier? Thanks in advance.. love from India 🇮🇳
Great information in an extremely understanding manner. I understood a lot of stuff. Thank you Mark!
binge watching your videos, verry interesting. Question though; if you have crossovers like the Focals have, is it still useful to invest in a standalone DSP?
Now my big Q is if I have active crossover built in amplifier how many channels required for 2 rear 2 front speakers and 2 mid and 2 tweets 8? Or 6? If 6 then how to connect the other 2? Please help me thank you in advance.
I have a set of Focal 6.5 component speakers and was wondering how can I mount them in my F-150 supercab rear doors using and aftermarket adapter or making my own.
So you basically always go with full range signal from the amp if you use the passive crossover? No hpf?
when will you do a demo with your projects
this is literally the only thing i'm searching on today - new component speakers for my car. Thanks for your vid dude ahha
I have focal k2p in my Jeep and they are amazing you will not be let down for you will here every nuance and you will want to move in to your car,lol I have a rockford fosgate power t600 100 × 4 ,please put sound deadening in your ride for these are loud and proud,I have used kicker,morel,and by far if you move toward a high dollar focal set you will not look back, very impressed.
FYI, Alpine Type R separates out perform most high end component sets, at 1/10th of the price. I’ve had experience with type R’s for many many years, and have installed/used many. Just put some descent power to them. Just my 20 years of experience.
@@joesmith389 just put in Alpine 149 HD bte been a Pioneer premier guy for decades and I'm impressed with the features ,sound quality is good with the Rockford T600 on mids and highs.
I'm running a component with crossover set up. Would I need to set my crossover on my amp and head unit? Or should I turn them off? And let the crossover from the components do their job?
I have a crazy seeming question. I have a 2+2 convertible. There are speakers:
2x 6-1/2" by my feet
2x ? tweeters near the side mirrors
2x 6x9 in the back seat (l/r)
I assume it's wired to have the tweeters linked to the foot speakers but the rear speakers are closer and more in the open. Should I use a component set in the back & tweeter locations?
I might not need the foot speakers at all.
My fear is that because all the mid will come from the back and all the high will come from the front, a sweep or guitar solo would move all over. That might get old really "fast"
This guy looks like mark zukenberg
And his name is Mark...
He is but pretending
How many RMS watts amplifier u recommend for 2 pair focal es 165kx2..??
That crossover is Beautiful Focal I wouldn’t even want to put them the door
Hi
I have installed the same but can you let me know the best setting for crossover I do not have a amplifier,I find my tweeter bill too high on vocals
Thanks
I was going to install 2 4ohm mids in each door then I found some CDT 2ohm 6.5 midbasses instead I'm glad I did they sound awesome.
@@mcf3778 yep
so do you run your subs directly off amp and also run the crossover off amp and then component and tweeters off of crossover
Question: is it possible to connect 2 woofers to 1 passive crossover? I plan to build 2 woofers into my doors instead of 1 woofer. Hope to get an answer before I start cutting a second hole in my door
I’ve got a question, I’ve bought a set of these, could I run them without an amp?
This is why I use active crossover, it gives you all the tuning ability. Clarion active crossover love it.
Thanks 👍🏻
Here's a heads up: Ask your installer to provide a diagram of the full sound system that's been installed (at that date); in some circles this is colloquially referred to as an Ice Map. This diagram specifies which speakers run from the head unit or the amp, and the layout of the amplifiers (some people have more than one amp) and other equipment (e.g. capacitors/ dedicated main battery, etc.).
If you ask for this you should fully expect to pay extra for it. This is by no means a "standard" thing.
what is the best coax you ever heard? and what is the best 3 way with small midrange and best midrange? im hesitating between dynaudio, morel, focal, hertz, audison, polk & others( like infinity midrange).. but its very very hard to choose... i want best from 60-70hz and up.. i need perfect tone.. (note im not counting crossover just the drivers)
I personally think if your gonna use a component speakers you should just use a mid range driver and some real tweets using a 4 channel amp to it's true abilitys. If you just wanna swap speakers you a coaxial.
YES thank you I've never known wtf those things do. I'm so happy to know they actually have a purpose
So he said something I'm thinking about. I have a 02 deville with a bose factory amplifier. There's an total of 8 speakers running the speakers. 4 door speakers fronts 6.5 and rear doors 5.25, 1 8" subwoofer back dashboard, 2 tweeters in the front door pillars, and 1 small speaker in the center front dashboard. Can I run the component set through the factory amplifier? I already have 2 15" P2s on a prime 750.1 birth sheet says 879rms.
Outside of being able to mount the tweeter in a different location how do these compare to coaxial speaker that also come with crossovers? Alpine type R for example
Late reply, I know, but I have the Alpine R components and the solid woofer cone is usually the vast difference over the coaxial hollow cone. Had a pair of pioneer coaxials once, and the mids are just not there.
Thanks for your wonderful videos. You explain complicated stuff in a language that I understand.
Dude where are you located i will drive to you for an install! Youre amazing.
P Sherman 42 Wallaby Way Sydney
Happy new year Mark, as usual another great knowledge added.
I’m still trying to find 18mm MDF material for my box at EGYPT 🇪🇬 lol 😂
anyway this video came at the right time as I need some help with my setup
What I have so far for my system is below
Pioneer head unit AppRadio 4
2 sets front and rear components 6 3/4” Rockford fosgate T-1 power series.
One subwoofer as you know 15” alpine type R with your stunning subwoofer box blue print design I’ve purchased from you (so far the best part at my sound system)
4 Rockford fosgate amps matched RMS ( 4ch for mid bass - 4ch for TWT - 1ch mono for sub - 2ch for 2 mid range speakers)
Rockford fosgate 3sixty.3 DSP
tons of Rockford fosgate accessories 10 farad capacitor and wires, amp kits and beakers bla bla bla, Odyssey battery PC680 with specs that I’m afraid it’s small 170CCA, 280MCA, 350HCA and 520 cranking amps for 5 seconds, and trying to upgrade my amp from 80 to 250 amps, RTA mic and SMD DD1 also almost all tools you have mentioned at your videos
The 2 speakers for mid range are 4” Focal Access 1 165 A3 and it came without cross over as a replacement for a component set, the problem is I don’t know how to set the 8 channels on DSP and is the focal speakers will match with my component Rockford sets? Should I run it all active or passive for Rockford sets?
I’m really confused and I believe I made a mistake with my purchase
What is your Input in my setup?
This is a link for my 4” focal midrange set without cross overs
www.manualslib.com/manual/52815/Focal-Access-1-165-A3.html?page=2#manual
Dude did he reply and gave u solutions??
Hello Mark,
Maybe you can help. I am looking into marine speakers by Polk Audio for my motorcycle. Yet I can’t find any specification sheets on the DB vs MM1 5.25. Can you help. Thank you, Tim H. (Forest Lake, MN).
Great video.
Could you help me. I have a MB W205, I have added twetters, Hifonics vx 6.2t.
Now I have also replaced the standard speakers, only the front ones, they were horrible. I have put these. Crunch dsx42. Sounds good, but a little canned sound.
Is it possible that having tweeter and coaxial together is not too good? Or maybe you should put in a crossover to remove the low frequencies from the coax. THANKS!!!
Do I have to use the woofer inputs on my 3 way crossovers even if I don't have woofers to connect because all I'm using is mids and tweets so the question still is do I have to use the woofer inputs...?!
I actually have two sets of 6.5” Focal components in my car. Pricy but sound phenomenal. Bought them in 2011 and are still going strong. From 2011-2018 they were installed using the regular passive setup and sounded great. Recently had everything installed in a 2018 Accord and they did the active setup. It’s a world of difference in sound. Especially with high-end speakers like Focal it is very worth getting the most out of them. It’s like going from a regular exhaust to a free-flow dual exhaust.
Only spend a ton on speakers if you dedicate a good install
Hello There and have a good source and amp with a digital sound processor
Nah your average 300 dollar head unit with a nice Class AB Amp with these focal’s and it will blow your mind!
Is a in-line crossover a bad thing vs passive crossover, or active crossover? If your useing a crossover on a amp or headunit, do you use the in-line crossover still or take it out?
Love the channel!! Do you have any videos on wiring a mid-range, mid-bass, and tweeter? I have a center speaker in my dash that is mid-range, and I have a 4-channel amp, but I'm not sure how to run the speaker wire from the amp.
This dude is a car audio genius. Anytime i have a question about car audio i hop on youtube to see if mark has a video on it first
Do I need to install an amp? Don't stereos have built in amps?
Can I just replace the woofer and not the stock tweeters if my car has tweeters and woofers?
Or do I need coax for the built it crossover?
The more systems I build the more I realize how much power these high end components need.
Yep, usually more power means more money 💰. I usually go with coaxial speakers but rely on quality components, materials, installation, and tuning. It's not cheap but it isn't crazy expensive either. 2-3 grand give or take not including labor, time, and effort.
running 170 rms on my pioneers
loved the video Mark. would be most interested if you would compare the various high end Focals, especially the woofers: KRX2 vs the new ES series vs Utopia 165 R-WC vs Utopia M, and so forth.
hey bro! nice video very informative, I've also done some sort of ampli to speaker connection in my channel using scrap speakers from junk.
If I wanted to to add a Center Dash channel to a stock 4-channel radio, is it OK to use the left front positive lead, and the right front negative lead with an 8 ohm L-pad to create a center dash mono channel?
My 02 E320 had the Bose system. I think it sounded great. Crisp, clear, and just the right amount of bass, but all the drivers were paper so time kicked there ass.
Vito Corleone Laughs in polypropylene.
I have a duramax with dual batteries and every time I hook up power the amp goes into protect mode. Do I have to have it hooked up different
I bought Rockford Fosgate T2652-S 6-1/2" 2-way component speaker system
What is a high current distribution amplifier for and how do you install it
gr8 knowledge/info/explanation process
Thanks Mark! Love how you explain how systems and devices work!
Small note; In your example you were measuring the DC resistance of the speaker, not the impedance. The nominal impedance will always be higher than the Re.
Need help. I have the focal expert component set. I’m using a 4-channel amp to power the 2 component sets in the front and 2 -2way speakers in the rear doors. I removed the “bi-amp” tab that is in the focal crossover and ran a total of 4 wires from the amp using 2 of the channels to the crossover and 2wires from the crossover to the tweeter and mid. Basically I’m using all 8 terminals on the focal crossover. Issue: sounds like garbage .... can’t hear hardly anything from the tweeter and the mid sounds muffled. I have sound deadening in the doors . The gain only seams to make the speakers sound worse. Please help me with what I’m doing wrong. I’m using the precision power 4400 80watts rms clean per channel . Any help would be appreciated
Still looking for help guys
Please?
I have 6.5 coaxial in my rear doors, mid bass 6x9s, and coaxial 3.5s. Should I get rid of the 3.5 coaxial and 6.5 coaxial and go with all components except the tweeters?
Why component and tweeter?
Why not loudspeaker and tweeter?
Like with skar, you can get spx component set with tweeters for like 150$ish or you can get two fsx loudspeakers and a set of their high compression 3.5 tweeters for like the same price but this set would handle more power which I assume means they probably louder too?
Component get lower generally?
Your typical car is one of the worst audio environments you could possibly have. You have treble absorbing seats right next to highly reflective windows with rattling trim everywhere. Each person is sitting offset from center with no good placement for midrange or tweeters without being totally obnoxious about it. Add to that the bumpy ride, terribly dirty electrical source, dust, heat, cold, humidity, and incredibly destructive sunlight.
Thanks for the videos Mark I have one question when you connect the crossover to the amp do you connect it from high or low?
I have component focal 165as but the tweeters sound wayyyyyy to low like i cant hear them, im thinking my crossover might be bad now. Whats the best passive crossover upgrade i can get?
Do the factory components have a xover installed somewhere? Or does the head unit supply separate channels for the rtweeters & door speakers? Trying to g
Figure out how many channels I need for a dsp/amp . Thanks
Used your link. Saved a few bucks buying stuff 😃 thanks!
sounds interesting, gonna have a car soon, i want to build a costum audio system without giving up usefull space,
Why not give a number of how many watts the crossover eats?
I am sure each are different but at least give us some figures, averages. Instead of 'it eats up some of the power"? :)
Omg thank u ...checking out your site. An audio place has jacked up (in a bad way) my Levinson system
Please help! I have Alpine CDE-163BT Advanced Bluetooth CD Receiver with Alpine SPS-610 Coax in the soundbar of my Jeep and SPS-610C in the front with the tweeters mounted facing me. I added an Alpine S-A32F amp with channels 1&2 for the front speakers and Channel 3&4 for the rear speakers. But now the tweeters are HELL to listen to even with the FREQ selector for Channel 1&2 turned down or up. The shrill is unbearable. And the treble on the radio is at "0". How can I turn them down? Do I need a digital signal processor or passive crossovers even though they came with their own in-line crossovers? I'm about to rip my ears out or rip everything out of my Jeep!
Any advice or brand you would consider for a component setup for a crew cab F-250. Already have aftermarket tweeters in the rear doors, however I need to replace the older kickers currently in place. They won’t be able to handle an amp with the power I’m wanting to push. Thank you and great videos always learning
I am wanting to upgrade the factory speakers in my sedan. I was quoted the following configuration, can someone weigh in on this please:
Focal Integration Series 6x9 Component System
Focal Integration Series 6x9
Kicker 12" Thin Down Firing Subwoofer and Passive Radiator
Kicker CXA Series Amp 400x1 at 1 ohm