Absolutely agree about the King wearing the uniform of an Admiral of the Fleet for his Coronation. When I read about it this morning I thought it would be completely impractical. I think he may opt for white trousers rather than knee breeches and the surcoat would be much easier to remove for the Anointing than the uniform jacket. It would be interesting to hear more about the robes and coronets worn by other members of the Royal Family such as the Prince and Princess of Wales, the Princess Royal and the Royal Dukes.
Just watch the coloured film of the Queen's coronation.Its all there. Although I don't think the Lord's wearing coronets and cloaks will happen because that certainly is out of date.
The press are reporting the claim that the coronation ceremony is to be as short as 2 hours or even 90 minutes. For such a shortening, quite a lot has to give and these changes of clothing might be part of those cuts as they obviously take some time to achieve. I am not sure how the anointing will be achieved if a uniform is worn but the public won't see it anyway as it happens under a canopy and TV cameras will most likely avert their gaze as it happens (as was done in 1953). The number of spectators present in person near the high altar will most likely be few in number, as the total attendance is being reduced from 8000 to 3000. I am not hopeful that tradition will be observed but I fail to see the point of trying to "modernise" a ceremony, the point of which is to connect us with our history. A coronation can never be "modern" and, if it is not to be abolished and is going to be done at all, it needs to be done properly to be worthwhile.
@@Diamondmine212 What's out of date about the coronets and capes? We still have peers and 98 hereditary ones still sit in the House of Lords. The life peers all have the right to wear a baron's coronet and robes. Peers wear their crimson parliamentary robes at the State Opening so why no regalia at the Coronation for the first time in over 300 years? The peerage is still regulated by the Crown - until it's abolished, it's not out of date. We haven't yet become a communist state!
The whole argument about breeches is stupid quite frankly. Charles wears breeches all the time with white tie in order to wear the actual garter of the order of the Garter... its quite an imporant thing which he should wear that day and without the breeches it obviously isnt possible. Charles, for all his modernizing, really seems to appreciate pageantry. Its a day hes waited his whole life for and why wear something he will wear multiple times a year instead of something special for one day.
@@JelMain I cannot see how the anointing could be done in a non-public ceremony at another time as the various sections of the ceremony have to be done in strict order: acclamation (the people accept the sovereign), the taking of the coronation oath, anointing, coronation, enthronement and pledging of allegiance, queen's anointing, queen's coronation, communion. The king would have to be anointed without first being accepted by the people.
There are many saying that it’s not right to be spending so much money at this time. But when our late Queen was crowned Britain was in a financial and structural mess as it was only 7 years since WW2 had ended. We were still on food and clothing rationing as well. But the citizens got together and made her special day, special for them too. Yes we are going through tough times but we need that spirit our grandparents had. We will get through these tough times and hopefully we will learn from it like they did. Look forward to the Coronation and let’s get together as a community in your area.
Having a good amount of pomp and ceremony will do the UK good - because the royals are a big boost to tourism. And a coronation is going to bring in a HUGE amount of foreign currency. ;)
@Bluebell Flora Britain wasn't so multicultural at the time of your grandparents. Sadly novadays it's harder for your nation to unite. Please vote wisely.
Unfortunately, people don't seem to get subtlety they won't realize that most of these robes are not new, so they will moan about the expense. This is why I wonder if at least the Robe of Estate might be omitted as it is made new and worn once. I also wonder if the cloth of gold robes may be omitted. HM did say he wanted a simplified ceremony so I am wondering where the cuts are going to be made, and the dressing sections seem an obvious area to cut back on.
@@glen7318people today no longer have the skills to make the robes as well as before. And the robes matter for a few different reasons. This is just a lost art, another lost art. So he did reuse them, except for the exit to the National Anthem when he got his robe of estate, about 18-20 feet long. But the old robes looked good for his entrance
My wish is that all coronation speeches should contain an excuse to all this world's (and the other's, too) hermines, stoats and other weasels who had to die in their winter's "dress" (it was much too easy, alas to catch them in the winter; half asleep) slaughtered, and ripped and sewn together for this so-called splendour. Wonderful carnivores - awful nobility!)
don't do away with mornanchy - it's human antique - not wood not stone - it's human - top human n is histroy herritage culture pride of humans - don't want a world of forever poor hut countries africa india tribe ... keep it grandest
I think you're spot on about press speculation. The form of dress may not be modern but the King wore the stockings with the garter etc as part of his white tie as recently as the diplomatic reception. So, he has worn this form of dress (although a different colour) very recently. Have found your videos series on the Coronation most helpful and informative. I hope Huw Edwards will be watching them (as I expect he will be commentating on the events in May). Giving this kind of historical context helps understand why they are important and how far they stretch back in the history of the country and our monarchical system.
Thats what Im saying. Theres no reason to be up in arms about not wanting to wear breeches, he wears them all the time. One can't wear the garter of the Order of the Garter without breeches so it would be a blunder to wear a uniform. I can see not wanting to have these things made due to money concerns but still...
@@justinwilliams7290 The knights of The Garter don't actually wear breeches and stockings with the garter any more. The only ones who still wear the garter (along with Tudor-style breeches and hose) are the knights that hold the canopy at the coronation. There is a court dress which Charles and his father wore often - the Windsor uniform, which consisted of white tie and tails with red trim on the collar and cuffs, and knee breeches with stockings. However, even that has been modernized with trousers. Male members of the royal house still wear court dress (black knee breeches and black stockings) on rare occasions, but I wouldn't be surprised if that went away, too.
I believe Charles will go traditional. The Coronation is not about the man or woman, as the case may be, it’s about the Monarchy, and it’s representation in history. He has to look the part, dress the part, since his portraits and Coronation footage will live on for centuries. He won’t be wearing a 3 piece suit as if he’s posing for the cover of GQ.
Great video! As an American, I hope King Charles wears the traditional robe, I love the history and meaning behind the coronation❤. Thank you Dr. Barton once again for the edification.
I tend to agree with your skepticism. The King wore breeches and stockings (and the garter) only last December at the Diplomatic Reception. I humbly suggest a Coronation might be more of an ‘occasion’ than the annual diplomatic reception. Although I noticed that Prince William this year wore normal trousers, unlike in previous years.
Another great one, Allan - thank you! As an Anglican priest, I've been long fascinated at the crossover in symbolism between ecclesiastical vestments (and architecture) and imperial counterparts - all tracing back to the court of Constantine.
Weren't the monarchs looked on as a kind-of priest? I thought that was the reason for the anointing, to consecrate the monarch as a direct path to God.
@@samanthafordyce5795 I wouldn't say that they were looked on as a kind of priest; but rather that they are "set aside" for their own divinely appointed office, that of kingship. In the case of ecclesiastical vestments, they're an adapted form of the Byzantine imperial court dress. Constantine didn't dress like a priest; priests dress like Constantine.
@@samanthafordyce5795 In fact the Holy Roman Emperor had the ecclesiastical rank of Deacon as it shows in the rituals of the opening of the council of Konstanz to end the Western Schism. You are right.
@@samanthafordyce5795 Becouse David was anointed by the Prophet Samuel as God's Anointed king to replace Saul. And the King had the right to apponit the high priest. It seems like all western monarchs fallow in a attempt to show God's Favor by the anointing of holy oil and clams to be God's apponted king/viceroy, untill the day Jesus returns to rule.
I honestly wish it was coronation as the late Queen's or her father, the UK and the world need pageantry after this horrible pandemic years, it's going to be an amazing spectacle of tradition, if I had the opportunity I'd fly to London just to see it or get a glance
When people are suffering worldly woes, I can see that such a specticle, a ceremony, and a celebration holiday can give people a break from their hardships. The King has already announced practical aid to be dispersed, so the celebration should fully be embraced. I am American, and am eagerly excited to see the Coronation. We here in the US also need to see some joyfulness... our people also are facing many hard times challenges and need something to look forward to. Long live King Charles III
Thank you for a very informative video. You're very right about the King wearing military uniform. I hope he goes for the traditional attire. Will of course be watching the coronation 🇬🇧
I think it's time to replace the knee breeches and silk stockings! Very sensible of the King to opt for uniform! The King hates a lot of fuss, and that applies to clothes as well.
Really clear and insightful Allan. Robes are important so I hope the King's coronation is in keeping with history. I can't imagine an Admiral's uniform! Thanks as always Allan.
Thank you for your video. Regarding 2:44, for those who are unfamiliar, on King George VI's left leg above the hose on his calf, that strap is known as the garter.
This is really neat -- one of the things I love about this pageantry is how every single aspect of it has meaning. You can point to literally any component part of it and ask why it exists and looks how it looks -- every banner, every button, every symbol -- and there will be a reason for it. The whole process is packed with literally as much meaning as it can hold.
Wonderful video Allan. You are working up the excitement for us as we get closer. As we have not seen a King’s coronation before, I hope he really goes for it. I think he will. 😉
They still wear breeches and stockings on certain occasions as part of the ceremonial dress. People either love the monarchy with all of its anachronistic pageantry, or they hate it. Those who love it, can’t wait to see the coronation in all its glory, displayed on modern HD TV sets for the first time in history. Truly, the greatest show on earth. And those who dislike the monarchy won’t all of a sudden support it just because the king wears a military uniform with long pants.
I believe the younger members of the military and other services are actually the ones who wear those britches or breeches. I have never seen older members of the military or monarchy wear those breeches in the last 50 plus years.
Very interesting, Allan, and I agree with what you said about a reasonable change being from breeches to trousers. Breeches seem to have no political or religious significance and can, I think, be updated without affecting the meaning of the ceremony.
As an American I find this ancient coronation rite fascinating. Perhaps it’s because nearly half of my ancestry is English. Thanks for explaining the symbolism of the various parts of the ceremonial clothing that King Charles will wear. I’m all for white trousers instead of the knee breeches. I notice on the stoles that there are three different kinds of crosses and what looks like a dove. They were placed in different spots according to the ruler. Do these represent England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales? Excellent video and very informative. I always look forward to new videos from you.
I hope that little or nothing is changed. I enjoyed your presentation. I feel that the Coronation is part of your National culture and identity. It is all important for your country and an example for other counties. I will be watching from the USA.
The coronation of the Russian Tsar gave had very similar priestly overtones, especially with the anointing. It was the custom that the Metropolitan of Moscow (or patriarch, depending on when) performed the anointing while standing on one side of the iconostasis, directly in front of the altar table, as the Tsar stood in front of the central doors. For context, the general rule is that no one enters those doors except a priest. So the Tsar standing so close to the entrance to the "holy of holies" signifies the semi-sacerdotal nature of his kingship as well. Thanks for the fascinating video! 💚
After the anointing and taking the coronation oath (to uphold the autocracy, of course), the tsar (but not his wife) went through the doors and took communion behind the iconostasis, as a priest would.
I think the traditional dress as worn as recently as George VI is a very regal elegant look and trousers in place of breeches and hose would look lumpy and lacking in definition
With regard to trousers, it does seem that the breeches and hose would be a better way to highlight the Garter than trousers would be.
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The King must wear proper traditional clothing with all what comes with it. This is one in a lifetime event for most people and an extraordinary opportunity to be part of a historical event like no other.
The breeches became "comme il faut" because the Hanoverians in the 1700s wore their best "suits" from respect but he should do it right because probably, he will be last one to do all this.
I dont see why Charles III has a problem with breeches, he wears them rather frequently with white tie because of...THE GARTER which cannot be used with trousers. If he doesn't wear breeches, he can't use the full garter regalia...
I don't undertsnad why the King would NOT wear traditional attire. As forward thinking as he likes to be we haven't had a coronation of a king since George VI and I'm sure many around the globe would like to see their Monarch maintain a certain level of tradition albeit with some updates. t the end of the day I don't really care but I would personally prefer an element of "make us proud Charlie boy".
Very much looking forward to watching the Coronation. Your explanation will be very helpful. I'll rewatch at lest once before the day. Cheers from Canada.
King Charles is very much a traditionist. I think he will go for the same look as his grandfather. The solemnity of this occasion, and the fact that he is annointed with Holy Oil , a military uniform does not sit well with the vows he has taken.
Allan, you're a legend! Thank you so much for this video! As always, like a psychic, you're so SPOT ON and has this ability to read what my thoughts are. Bravo!
Me too! I watched the last one at a neighbour's house (we didn't have a tv then) on a TINY screen in monochrome. There was no colour TV broadcasting in the UK then, and most tv screens were very small. I am SO looking forward to watching it on a larger screen (my laptop) in COLOUR. The only disappointment is that Queen Salote of Tonga is no longer with us! I thought she was just GREAT in Queen Elizabeth II's coronation procession.
I hope he wears all the traditional grandeur of the monarch: a military uniform could appear needlessly aggressive at a difficult time for Europe. Interesting video, like you I suspect the media is falling for its own fiction.
This is fascinating, thank you for sharing your knowledge . I don't even like to try on clothes before I buy something, I feel he will have an exhausting day. Your American cousin is looking forward to the event.
Symbolism's and ritual are very important in our Collective psyche. We need certain moments to enrich our lives with something above and beyond ourselves. A British coronation is a wonderful opportunity for this. There are inaugurations and swearing in ceremonies that are often beautiful in their own right but nothing quite Compares with something like the British coronation. If you look at it long enough, you will see references to several other different rituals going back to Napoleon, the romanovs, the Byzantium, Roman Imperial and other ceremonies. I could say the same about Japan and their ceremony. One day we will also have a new pope and such a ceremony is rich as well. I never discount indigenous ceremonies either as all of them have profound symbolism that transcends time and place.
This is fascinating to learn about the robes. I recently watch Queen Elizabeth’s coronation and noticed that at a certain point when she was wearing two gold robes and the crown, she had to walk up approx 5 steps. She walked very slowly and there was a bishop on her right and left appearing to be assisting her. I know the crown is heavy but are the robes heavy too? Once the gold robes were removed she was able to walk with just the crown, with no assistance. Thank you
I think the robes are rather heavy. Cloth of Gold is woven from actual gold thread (i.e., real metal), so even if it's fine threads, it would be heavy. That's a LOT of threads). Also, the tighter the weave, the heavier the fabric (I'm a spinner/weaver/dyer, and I am drooling over those robes and surcoats!).
Old shorts and tee shirt.... that's what the scruffs want. I'd like to see the most elaborate, traditional garb possible with all the hereditary peers, bishops, officers etc etc in their finest: this is a British event which will be watched live, recorded, replayed, discussed, analysed for years to come and may well be the *only* coronation which many will see in their lifetimes. Great information, thank you, Long live the *👑King*
To claim there is a "modern" Coronation outfit is a bit silly. As Alan said, the new King is a link from the past to the future so let's have plenty of the past and a hint of the future.
thank you for the all the great explanations! I have always been confused by every account I read of George VI's coronation, he is described as dressed in "crimson" beforehand but every painting of him in coronation robes, or rare color film he is in a purple tunic. Now I get it. He got changed after being crowned. :)
This red-blooded American has always found British history and its traditions fascinating. Thank you for sharing this in advance of King Charles' coronation. 🙂 However, if he doesn't wear the historical, traditional royal coronation robes and other regalia, I think that'd be a mistake on his part and could be seen as disrespectful to this grand traditional pageantry.
I agree the breeches could be changed to trousers. I don't think the uniform with medals is appropriate for the Coronation. I can remember our late Queen's Coronation, let's do it again. A celebration of bringing people together. And those who have, share with those who have not. A real effort to fill the food banks, so people who have not, can have a bit extra at the Coronation.
I noticed that both King Charles and Prince William were wearing long trousers with their garter insignia at the state dinner for the South African PM. Previously they had worn breeches with the same insignia except for the garter itself which was tied around their calves just below the knee. I actually like the sight of men in breeches in very formal circumstances (can't imagine anything more formal). I hope this does not bode the mode for the rest of his reign. Once standards have been relaxed it's nearly impossible to raise them again. In the USA, our presidents used to come to the inauguration ceremony wearing formal morning dress and top hats. When JFK was inaugurated, then-Speaker of the House John McCormack was famously heard to say, "That young man better look like a president when he comes up here." Or words to that effect -- 1961 was a long time ago and my memory is uncertain sometimes. That night, JFK wore white tie and tails for the inaugural balls. That was the last time anyone did that. LBJ didn't like formal dress of any kind; even getting him into black tie was a challenge. So he wore ordinary business clothes for daytime events and, very reluctantly, black tie for evening events. Subsequent presidents have followed his example. I think they've lost something of formality, import, presence, gravitas, and dignity thereby.
@Samantha Fordyce Were they dining at Windsor Castle or at a palace? There is very formal style of court dress that is worn only at Windsor that also has breeches, I think black, with garters under the knee. There are some articles of dress which mean other peculiarly meaningful aspects.
@@meeeka It was the state dinner; I assume it was at Buckingham Palace. There are recent photos (pre-pandemic) that show both Charles and William in breeches with the garter at their knees.
Have you considered doing a live stream during the coronation? I’d much rather listen to your knowledgeable commentary than the media who try to act like they know what is happening and like to hear themselves talk.
Well, Charles, as the Prince of Wales has worn breeches and stockings, I think it looks awesome. I mean, I get it,but it’s not like it’s never happened and he wears kilts with kilt hose. Is there a name for kilt hose?! Well, he’s going to look awesome and it will be impeccable.
We call the King ‘majesty’ and so I would expect the coronation to be majestic. If not, people could start to question the point of the sovereign. Come on Charles, go the full hog and let’s have an expensive spectacle!
Another great documentary. On a small but important point however, beware of interspersing comments on the “King of England” when you mean the “King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland “ or abbreviate to “The United Kingdom”. Unless of course you are referring to a Sovereign pre Union of the Crowns.
Thanks Ian, I do choose those words carefully. When I am talking historically about the rite, this is predominately an English ritual that has been extended and applied to the crown of the union. The concept of the imperial status of the crown is an English concept wholly. When I'm talking about the present context, I talk about the king of Great Britain. I would never refer to Charles III as king of England, that would be a schoolboy error.
The citizens of the islands of Britain are far from being united and please stop deceiving others. Brexit is deeply dividing th epeople. Many Scots wand to break away and join the EU. N Ireland is on its way to joining the remainder of ireland and forming a United Ireland as it should be. The DK; (Disunited Kingdom) would be more like the way it should be known.
Interesting... I had assumed the king would wear a uniform but you've made me understand this might not be practical nor symbolically correct. Now I'm curious what the queen will likely wear , too.
I'm sure I heard somewhere that the King was intending to wear a uniform. I think the knee breeches have had their day. Waiting to see what his Queen will wear. The Queen Mother (wife of George VI) looked lovely at her husband's coronation.
I think a reasonable compromise can be found, where the King where the traditional surcoat is worn with trousers instead of breaches and stockings, the uniform would be impractical however the breeches are rather dated
Learning the history of the traditional garments, I would love to see them. To some, they may appear to be outdated, but it is keeping the tradition alive. I can understand the challenges with the uniform, so I hope they can come up with a compromise.
Great content, very informative. One minor quibble, the word sacerdotal is not pronounced sackerdotal, but sasserdotal according to Cambridge University. The "c" has an "S" sound.
I hope he decides to wear the traditional dress. Too many things have been knocked about by his sons and it would seem a shame for other things, especially traditional coronation attire. Too much is changing too fast; we need time to adjust to the alternations. 😞😔😟🥺😢
I was hoping for the traditional coronation. I wasnt alive for the Coronation of the Late Queen Elizabeth II. I wanted to see it in its full glory. Maybe William's coronation will be more traditional.
If they omit the anointing of the breast a uniform becomes practical. I think you have gone out on a limb somewhat as there have been repeated statements about the coronation being reflective of the future as well as the past. I think it likely that the King will enter the abbey without robes and he may leave wearing the parliamentary robe over his uniform. I think we need to brace ourselves for an event that is very different from that of 1953. I expect the communion service will be omitted and the homage will be very different as the peers will not be robed. I very much appreciate the information you provide in these videos and I often share your opinions. Personally I admire William IV for the simpler service after the extravaganza of 1821. He was very much his own man. As a loyal subject of the King I look forward to this coronation and the way it reflects the beliefs and values of our new Sovereign.
These traditions, even the clothing, really help connect to the past while uniting in the present. It would be a terrible shame to dramatically change the coronation regalia without some serious thought and input by those most informed on the subject.
Love historical clothing. Thank you for detailing the layers of the coronation outfit. Totally agree that a military costume is totally inappropriate for King Charles III for the ceremony. Yes, trousers, the linen priestly chemise to me is superfluous. Definitely a surcoat and so on.
Article in The Times from last Sunday just caught my eye, "King Charles, don’t be a coronation chicken. Wear stockings!" Only a few months and we'll see whether His Majesty watched Allan's persuasive upload and decided to see sense. 👑
Thank you so much, Allan. I found this very interesting. I do hope the idea mooted that the Royal dukes will not have to swear allegiance to the king are media hype as well. I believe that would be very wrong.
I do believe that the King didn't want all the dukes swearing fealty because it would take so long, but mainly because of the elderly royal dukes finding it difficult to kneel. King Charles never likes a lot of fuss and unnecessary ceremony.
@@rachelhenderson2688 My understanding is only William will swears individually, the rest swear in a huge group and it is most impressive. I could be wrong.
Thank you for all that wonderful information & photographs of the Various robes the King will wear @ his Coronation. Im just wondering maybe I could be of some assist ance to the Archbishop of Canterbury on that day
Outside of the other significances, a byproduct of the choice of clothing/garments connects us to our history and i’d imagine for other Europeans, gives a sense to them of their own history, whatever they might think of monarchy today. I really don’t think it a good idea to change to contemporary dress styles, even trousers, given that connection to the past would be diluted in what is a relatively infrequent event.
So in the end he wore trousers, but I think that was a mistake. To wear such prosaic garments on his lower limbs while the rest of his body was clothed in unique and symbolic items made the latter look rather over the top. The white silk breeches and stockings of his ancestors on the other hand would have provided the correct visual balance.
Wouldn't a change from breeches to trousers complicate his ability to display the Garter proper? No one should wear any garter over trousers, nor Garter riband over coronation surcoat. Should not wear Garter badge (star) on coronation surcoat and/or without riband (if I recall correctly). That would leave only the Collar(chain) worn over the robes. Do the Rules of the Garter allow for wearing the collar-chain alone? It would surprise me, if so. Stick with breeches or transition the entire outfit.
I have memories of Charles being invested as the Prince of Wales in 1969, with a very grand ceremony. With Elizabeth's reign going on for so long, William went without that title until she died(?). Will there be an investiture for William?
@Argus Fleibeit I've heard there will be an investiture for William though he might try to use the excuse or modernity to try to do away with it until George.
I think the reports are probably accurate. Given (almost) everyone alive today has never witnessed a previous coronation of a King, I suspect there won’t be too much of a fuss in reality - we’re so used to seeing Charles, William etc in uniform that I think it will look perfectly appropriate, and less like a theatre costume than more elaborate costumes might. Or who know, there might just be a change of costume during the ceremony. But thanks for the interesting history - knowing what has been done in the past will make watching in May that much more interesting!
Agreed - there’s a strong desire to make this more accessible. The argument about impracticality only matters if the same steps take place. I could see a symbolic anointing, for example.
At what point is it all just a costume though...hes going to be wearing two crowns in one day... not much can be more theatrical than that. Charles wears breeches every year at the Diplomatic reception. HAS TO WEAR BREECHES in order to wear the actual garter for the Order of the Garter so theres literally zero reason not to wear the surcote.
🕊️👑🕊️Anointing oil: When Queen Victoria died in 1901 after 60+ years in office, her anointing oil had crystalised, and her successor Edward vii anointing oil had to be made anew. George vi oil was shattered in an air raid on Westminster Abbey and Elizabeth II had new oil made for her anointing. It's wondered if her oil is in useable condition for Charles III. An entire new video!!!
This tradition should never end. This will be my second coronation, after our loved Queens when I was young. I am blessed to see another one.
Absolutely agree about the King wearing the uniform of an Admiral of the Fleet for his Coronation. When I read about it this morning I thought it would be completely impractical. I think he may opt for white trousers rather than knee breeches and the surcoat would be much easier to remove for the Anointing than the uniform jacket. It would be interesting to hear more about the robes and coronets worn by other members of the Royal Family such as the Prince and Princess of Wales, the Princess Royal and the Royal Dukes.
Just watch the coloured film of the Queen's coronation.Its all there. Although I don't think the Lord's wearing coronets and cloaks will happen because that certainly is out of date.
The press are reporting the claim that the coronation ceremony is to be as short as 2 hours or even 90 minutes. For such a shortening, quite a lot has to give and these changes of clothing might be part of those cuts as they obviously take some time to achieve. I am not sure how the anointing will be achieved if a uniform is worn but the public won't see it anyway as it happens under a canopy and TV cameras will most likely avert their gaze as it happens (as was done in 1953). The number of spectators present in person near the high altar will most likely be few in number, as the total attendance is being reduced from 8000 to 3000.
I am not hopeful that tradition will be observed but I fail to see the point of trying to "modernise" a ceremony, the point of which is to connect us with our history. A coronation can never be "modern" and, if it is not to be abolished and is going to be done at all, it needs to be done properly to be worthwhile.
@@Diamondmine212 What's out of date about the coronets and capes? We still have peers and 98 hereditary ones still sit in the House of Lords. The life peers all have the right to wear a baron's coronet and robes. Peers wear their crimson parliamentary robes at the State Opening so why no regalia at the Coronation for the first time in over 300 years? The peerage is still regulated by the Crown - until it's abolished, it's not out of date. We haven't yet become a communist state!
The whole argument about breeches is stupid quite frankly. Charles wears breeches all the time with white tie in order to wear the actual garter of the order of the Garter... its quite an imporant thing which he should wear that day and without the breeches it obviously isnt possible. Charles, for all his modernizing, really seems to appreciate pageantry. Its a day hes waited his whole life for and why wear something he will wear multiple times a year instead of something special for one day.
@@JelMain I cannot see how the anointing could be done in a non-public ceremony at another time as the various sections of the ceremony have to be done in strict order: acclamation (the people accept the sovereign), the taking of the coronation oath, anointing, coronation, enthronement and pledging of allegiance, queen's anointing, queen's coronation, communion.
The king would have to be anointed without first being accepted by the people.
There are many saying that it’s not right to be spending so much money at this time. But when our late Queen was crowned Britain was in a financial and structural mess as it was only 7 years since WW2 had ended. We were still on food and clothing rationing as well. But the citizens got together and made her special day, special for them too. Yes we are going through tough times but we need that spirit our grandparents had. We will get through these tough times and hopefully we will learn from it like they did. Look forward to the Coronation and let’s get together as a community in your area.
I think that many of the robes and vestments already exist? So not quite as expensive as making everything new...
He just signaled he was giving away a billion dollars...I'm sure a coronation can be afforded.
Having a good amount of pomp and ceremony will do the UK good - because the royals are a big boost to tourism. And a coronation is going to bring in a HUGE amount of foreign currency. ;)
@Bluebell Flora Britain wasn't so multicultural at the time of your grandparents. Sadly novadays it's harder for your nation to unite. Please vote wisely.
Unfortunately, people don't seem to get subtlety they won't realize that most of these robes are not new, so they will moan about the expense. This is why I wonder if at least the Robe of Estate might be omitted as it is made new and worn once. I also wonder if the cloth of gold robes may be omitted.
HM did say he wanted a simplified ceremony so I am wondering where the cuts are going to be made, and the dressing sections seem an obvious area to cut back on.
Thank you Allan, it's very educational. As an American I'm looking forward to seeing the coronation. I hope they reuse historical garments.
My thoughts exactly!
why? They'll be falling to bits
@@glen7318people today no longer have the skills to make the robes as well as before. And the robes matter for a few different reasons. This is just a lost art, another lost art. So he did reuse them, except for the exit to the National Anthem when he got his robe of estate, about 18-20 feet long. But the old robes looked good for his entrance
Very excited for the coronation. The world is about to see such pageantry most of us have not ever seen. Thank you for another great video!
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My wish is that all coronation speeches should contain an excuse to all this world's (and the other's, too) hermines, stoats and other weasels who had to die in their winter's "dress" (it was much too easy, alas to catch them in the winter; half asleep) slaughtered, and ripped and sewn together for this so-called splendour. Wonderful carnivores - awful nobility!)
@@ulrikjensen6841 The animals died years ago and cannot be resurrected.
Enjoy your plastic clothes and shoes.
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I saw the coronation of QE II but I wasn't yet a teen. I look forward to seeing both the similarities and differences.
don't do away with mornanchy - it's human antique - not wood not stone - it's human - top human n is histroy herritage culture pride of humans - don't want a world of forever poor hut countries africa india tribe ... keep it grandest
This is a once-in-a-lifetime event that should not be watered down. British pomp and pageantry are the best! Best wishes from South Africa
I think you're spot on about press speculation. The form of dress may not be modern but the King wore the stockings with the garter etc as part of his white tie as recently as the diplomatic reception. So, he has worn this form of dress (although a different colour) very recently. Have found your videos series on the Coronation most helpful and informative. I hope Huw Edwards will be watching them (as I expect he will be commentating on the events in May). Giving this kind of historical context helps understand why they are important and how far they stretch back in the history of the country and our monarchical system.
Thats what Im saying. Theres no reason to be up in arms about not wanting to wear breeches, he wears them all the time. One can't wear the garter of the Order of the Garter without breeches so it would be a blunder to wear a uniform. I can see not wanting to have these things made due to money concerns but still...
@@justinwilliams7290 The knights of The Garter don't actually wear breeches and stockings with the garter any more. The only ones who still wear the garter (along with Tudor-style breeches and hose) are the knights that hold the canopy at the coronation.
There is a court dress which Charles and his father wore often - the Windsor uniform, which consisted of white tie and tails with red trim on the collar and cuffs, and knee breeches with stockings. However, even that has been modernized with trousers.
Male members of the royal house still wear court dress (black knee breeches and black stockings) on rare occasions, but I wouldn't be surprised if that went away, too.
He will look good whatever he wears but he is in bad need of a haircut to get rid of all that white fuzz and look younger too.
I believe Charles will go traditional. The Coronation is not about the man or woman, as the case may be, it’s about the Monarchy, and it’s representation in history. He has to look the part, dress the part, since his portraits and Coronation footage will live on for centuries. He won’t be wearing a 3 piece suit as if he’s posing for the cover of GQ.
@@mchapman132 😊
Great video! As an American, I hope King Charles wears the traditional robe, I love the history and meaning behind the coronation❤. Thank you Dr. Barton once again for the edification.
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
I hope so, too 🇺🇲
I could see switching the trousers from the Admiral's uniform for the past breaches. But yes, the Admiral's Jacket would be impractical.
Shame, shame on you.
The founding fathers of our great nation of America rejected the old English monarchy and you need to do the same.
I tend to agree with your skepticism. The King wore breeches and stockings (and the garter) only last December at the Diplomatic Reception. I humbly suggest a Coronation might be more of an ‘occasion’ than the annual diplomatic reception. Although I noticed that Prince William this year wore normal trousers, unlike in previous years.
Another great one, Allan - thank you! As an Anglican priest, I've been long fascinated at the crossover in symbolism between ecclesiastical vestments (and architecture) and imperial counterparts - all tracing back to the court of Constantine.
The Habsburg emperors were vested in the same manner as well (except in the context of a coronation as a Catholic monarch).
Weren't the monarchs looked on as a kind-of priest? I thought that was the reason for the anointing, to consecrate the monarch as a direct path to God.
@@samanthafordyce5795 I wouldn't say that they were looked on as a kind of priest; but rather that they are "set aside" for their own divinely appointed office, that of kingship. In the case of ecclesiastical vestments, they're an adapted form of the Byzantine imperial court dress. Constantine didn't dress like a priest; priests dress like Constantine.
@@samanthafordyce5795 In fact the Holy Roman Emperor had the ecclesiastical rank of Deacon as it shows in the rituals of the opening of the council of Konstanz to end the Western Schism. You are right.
@@samanthafordyce5795 Becouse David was anointed by the Prophet Samuel as God's Anointed king to replace Saul. And the King had the right to apponit the high priest. It seems like all western monarchs fallow in a attempt to show God's Favor by the anointing of holy oil and clams to be God's apponted king/viceroy, untill the day Jesus returns to rule.
I honestly wish it was coronation as the late Queen's or her father, the UK and the world need pageantry after this horrible pandemic years, it's going to be an amazing spectacle of tradition, if I had the opportunity I'd fly to London just to see it or get a glance
This is utterly fascinating…looking forward to watching the coronation. Thank you for explaining ❤️🇨🇦
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed the video!
It certainly won't be happening.
So interesting! It's wonderful to know what each thing represents and it's meaning. Looking forward to the pageantry and coronation.
Glad you found it interesting, thanks for watching!
When people are suffering worldly woes, I can see that such a specticle, a ceremony, and a celebration holiday can give people a break from their hardships. The King has already announced practical aid to be dispersed, so the celebration should fully be embraced. I am American, and am eagerly excited to see the Coronation. We here in the US also need to see some joyfulness... our people also are facing many hard times challenges and need something to look forward to. Long live King Charles III
Hear, hear.
Not everyone will get time off and what practical aid? Imo he was proclaimed king seconds after the Queen died signed some papers end of
Thank you for a very informative video. You're very right about the King wearing military uniform. I hope he goes for the traditional attire. Will of course be watching the coronation 🇬🇧
I think it's time to replace the knee breeches and silk stockings! Very sensible of the King to opt for uniform! The King hates a lot of fuss, and that applies to clothes as well.
Hi Allan! Dear sir, you have a true gift as both a historian and as a presenter. Thank you!
You are very welcome, thanks for watching!
I hope someone at the Palace is watching this!
Really clear and insightful Allan. Robes are important so I hope the King's coronation is in keeping with history. I can't imagine an Admiral's uniform! Thanks as always Allan.
Thank you for your video. Regarding 2:44, for those who are unfamiliar, on King George VI's left leg above the hose on his calf, that strap is known as the garter.
This is really neat -- one of the things I love about this pageantry is how every single aspect of it has meaning. You can point to literally any component part of it and ask why it exists and looks how it looks -- every banner, every button, every symbol -- and there will be a reason for it. The whole process is packed with literally as much meaning as it can hold.
Would be pretty cool if Charles wore his grandfathers supertunica and imperial mantle robe like his mum did.
Wonderful video Allan. You are working up the excitement for us as we get closer. As we have not seen a King’s coronation before, I hope he really goes for it. I think he will. 😉
Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!
Again a great informative piece , i love watching you videos thanks so much.
I hope nothing is changed so we can see a medieval coronation.
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They still wear breeches and stockings on certain occasions as part of the ceremonial dress. People either love the monarchy with all of its anachronistic pageantry, or they hate it. Those who love it, can’t wait to see the coronation in all its glory, displayed on modern HD TV sets for the first time in history. Truly, the greatest show on earth. And those who dislike the monarchy won’t all of a sudden support it just because the king wears a military uniform with long pants.
I believe the younger members of the military and other services are actually the ones who wear those britches or breeches. I have never seen older members of the military or monarchy wear those breeches in the last 50 plus years.
Very interesting, Allan, and I agree with what you said about a reasonable change being from breeches to trousers. Breeches seem to have no political or religious significance and can, I think, be updated without affecting the meaning of the ceremony.
EXCELLENT !!! Thank you so much for this, as this coronation will be the first in my lifetime (born 1961)...
As an American I find this ancient coronation rite fascinating. Perhaps it’s because nearly half of my ancestry is English. Thanks for explaining the symbolism of the various parts of the ceremonial clothing that King Charles will wear. I’m all for white trousers instead of the knee breeches. I notice on the stoles that there are three different kinds of crosses and what looks like a dove. They were placed in different spots according to the ruler. Do these represent England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales? Excellent video and very informative. I always look forward to new videos from you.
Shame, shame on you.
The founding fathers of our great nation of America rejected the old English monarchy and you need to do the same.
I hope that little or nothing is changed. I enjoyed your presentation. I feel that the Coronation is part of your National culture and identity. It is all important for your country and an example for other counties. I will be watching from the USA.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
The coronation of the Russian Tsar gave had very similar priestly overtones, especially with the anointing. It was the custom that the Metropolitan of Moscow (or patriarch, depending on when) performed the anointing while standing on one side of the iconostasis, directly in front of the altar table, as the Tsar stood in front of the central doors. For context, the general rule is that no one enters those doors except a priest. So the Tsar standing so close to the entrance to the "holy of holies" signifies the semi-sacerdotal nature of his kingship as well.
Thanks for the fascinating video! 💚
After the anointing and taking the coronation oath (to uphold the autocracy, of course), the tsar (but not his wife) went through the doors and took communion behind the iconostasis, as a priest would.
Extremely interesting and a wonderful introduction to the coronation ceremony. Many thanks.
Thank you for the detailed explanations!
My pleasure, glad you found the video helpful!
I think the traditional dress as worn as recently as George VI is a very regal elegant look and trousers in place of breeches and hose would look lumpy and lacking in definition
Thanks!
Thank you.
With regard to trousers, it does seem that the breeches and hose would be a better way to highlight the Garter than trousers would be.
The King must wear proper traditional clothing with all what comes with it. This is one in a lifetime event for most people and an extraordinary opportunity to be part of a historical event like no other.
The breeches became "comme il faut" because the Hanoverians in the 1700s wore their best "suits" from respect but he should do it right because probably, he will be last one to do all this.
@@meeeka I think he has already discounted the idea of wearing knee-breeches. You know how the King is, he hates any fancy stuff.
I dont see why Charles III has a problem with breeches, he wears them rather frequently with white tie because of...THE GARTER which cannot be used with trousers. If he doesn't wear breeches, he can't use the full garter regalia...
I don't undertsnad why the King would NOT wear traditional attire. As forward thinking as he likes to be we haven't had a coronation of a king since George VI and I'm sure many around the globe would like to see their Monarch maintain a certain level of tradition albeit with some updates. t the end of the day I don't really care but I would personally prefer an element of "make us proud Charlie boy".
Very much looking forward to watching the Coronation. Your explanation will be very helpful. I'll rewatch at lest once before the day. Cheers from Canada.
I'm coming to London for the coronation and would love some ideas of a good spot from which to see the procession.
Very informative description of each garment and their meaning. Thank you.
King Charles is very much a traditionist. I think he will go for the same look as his grandfather. The solemnity of this occasion, and the fact that he is annointed with Holy Oil , a military uniform does not sit well with the vows he has taken.
Allan, you're a legend! Thank you so much for this video! As always, like a psychic, you're so SPOT ON and has this ability to read what my thoughts are. Bravo!
Thank you for your very kind words! Glad you found it helpful 😊
I'm excited for the coronation ceremony this year. 😍
Me too! I watched the last one at a neighbour's house (we didn't have a tv then) on a TINY screen in monochrome. There was no colour TV broadcasting in the UK then, and most tv screens were very small. I am SO looking forward to watching it on a larger screen (my laptop) in COLOUR. The only disappointment is that Queen Salote of Tonga is no longer with us! I thought she was just GREAT in Queen Elizabeth II's coronation procession.
I hope he wears all the traditional grandeur of the monarch: a military uniform could appear needlessly aggressive at a difficult time for Europe.
Interesting video, like you I suspect the media is falling for its own fiction.
@Moebym 👍😃
This is fascinating, thank you for sharing your knowledge . I don't even like to try on clothes before I buy something, I feel he will have an exhausting day. Your American cousin is looking forward to the event.
Symbolism's and ritual are very important in our Collective psyche. We need certain moments to enrich our lives with something above and beyond ourselves. A British coronation is a wonderful opportunity for this. There are inaugurations and swearing in ceremonies that are often beautiful in their own right but nothing quite Compares with something like the British coronation. If you look at it long enough, you will see references to several other different rituals going back to Napoleon, the romanovs, the Byzantium, Roman Imperial and other ceremonies. I could say the same about Japan and their ceremony. One day we will also have a new pope and such a ceremony is rich as well. I never discount indigenous ceremonies either as all of them have profound symbolism that transcends time and place.
This is fascinating to learn about the robes. I recently watch Queen Elizabeth’s coronation and noticed that at a certain point when she was wearing two gold robes and the crown, she had to walk up approx 5 steps. She walked very slowly and there was a bishop on her right and left appearing to be assisting her.
I know the crown is heavy but are the robes heavy too?
Once the gold robes were removed she was able to walk with just the crown, with no assistance.
Thank you
I think the robes are rather heavy. Cloth of Gold is woven from actual gold thread (i.e., real metal), so even if it's fine threads, it would be heavy. That's a LOT of threads). Also, the tighter the weave, the heavier the fabric (I'm a spinner/weaver/dyer, and I am drooling over those robes and surcoats!).
Excellent job explaining all the many changes and layers of the Coronation.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Old shorts and tee shirt.... that's what the scruffs want.
I'd like to see the most elaborate, traditional garb possible with all the hereditary peers, bishops, officers etc etc in their finest: this is a British event which will be watched live, recorded, replayed, discussed, analysed for years to come and may well be the *only* coronation which many will see in their lifetimes.
Great information, thank you,
Long live the
*👑King*
To claim there is a "modern" Coronation outfit is a bit silly. As Alan said, the new King is a link from the past to the future so let's have plenty of the past and a hint of the future.
I thoroughly enjoy your videos, they are quite helpful in learning about my British heritage! 🇺🇸
Great to hear! Thanks for watching.
thank you for the all the great explanations! I have always been confused by every account I read of George VI's coronation, he is described as dressed in "crimson" beforehand but every painting of him in coronation robes, or rare color film he is in a purple tunic. Now I get it. He got changed after being crowned. :)
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What an amazing and informative video. Ty for this. I enjoyed this so much! ♥️
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This red-blooded American has always found British history and its traditions fascinating. Thank you for sharing this in advance of King Charles' coronation. 🙂 However, if he doesn't wear the historical, traditional royal coronation robes and other regalia, I think that'd be a mistake on his part and could be seen as disrespectful to this grand traditional pageantry.
Shame, shame on you.
The founding fathers of our great nation of America rejected the old English monarchy and you need to do the same.
Very informative! Thank you.
You are welcome! Thanks for watching.
Super-tunica, stole, and coronation mantle, on these images, immediately remind me on robes of the Byzantine emperors.
I agree the breeches could be changed to trousers. I don't think the uniform with medals is appropriate for the Coronation. I can remember our late Queen's Coronation, let's do it again. A celebration of bringing people together. And those who have, share with those who have not. A real effort to fill the food banks, so people who have not, can have a bit extra at the Coronation.
I noticed that both King Charles and Prince William were wearing long trousers with their garter insignia at the state dinner for the South African PM. Previously they had worn breeches with the same insignia except for the garter itself which was tied around their calves just below the knee. I actually like the sight of men in breeches in very formal circumstances (can't imagine anything more formal).
I hope this does not bode the mode for the rest of his reign. Once standards have been relaxed it's nearly impossible to raise them again.
In the USA, our presidents used to come to the inauguration ceremony wearing formal morning dress and top hats. When JFK was inaugurated, then-Speaker of the House John McCormack was famously heard to say, "That young man better look like a president when he comes up here." Or words to that effect -- 1961 was a long time ago and my memory is uncertain sometimes.
That night, JFK wore white tie and tails for the inaugural balls. That was the last time anyone did that.
LBJ didn't like formal dress of any kind; even getting him into black tie was a challenge. So he wore ordinary business clothes for daytime events and, very reluctantly, black tie for evening events. Subsequent presidents have followed his example. I think they've lost something of formality, import, presence, gravitas, and dignity thereby.
@Samantha Fordyce Were they dining at Windsor Castle or at a palace? There is very formal style of court dress that is worn only at Windsor that also has breeches, I think black, with garters under the knee. There are some articles of dress which mean other peculiarly meaningful aspects.
@@meeeka It was the state dinner; I assume it was at Buckingham Palace. There are recent photos (pre-pandemic) that show both Charles and William in breeches with the garter at their knees.
I could listen to Allan talk all day.
Thank you very much, I hope you enjoyed the content too!
Have you considered doing a live stream during the coronation? I’d much rather listen to your knowledgeable commentary than the media who try to act like they know what is happening and like to hear themselves talk.
Thank you again Dr. !!!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching.
Well, Charles, as the Prince of Wales has worn breeches and stockings, I think it looks awesome. I mean, I get it,but it’s not like it’s never happened and he wears kilts with kilt hose. Is there a name for kilt hose?! Well, he’s going to look awesome and it will be impeccable.
We call the King ‘majesty’ and so I would expect the coronation to be majestic. If not, people could start to question the point of the sovereign. Come on Charles, go the full hog and let’s have an expensive spectacle!
you pay for it
I'd be less worried about what he's going to wear, but more about what is in the Coronation Oath!
Another great documentary. On a small but important point however, beware of interspersing comments on the “King of England” when you mean the “King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland “ or abbreviate to “The United Kingdom”. Unless of course you are referring to a Sovereign pre Union of the Crowns.
Thanks Ian, I do choose those words carefully. When I am talking historically about the rite, this is predominately an English ritual that has been extended and applied to the crown of the union. The concept of the imperial status of the crown is an English concept wholly. When I'm talking about the present context, I talk about the king of Great Britain. I would never refer to Charles III as king of England, that would be a schoolboy error.
The citizens of the islands of Britain are far from being united and please stop deceiving others.
Brexit is deeply dividing th epeople.
Many Scots wand to break away and join the EU.
N Ireland is on its way to joining the remainder of ireland and forming a United Ireland as it should be.
The DK; (Disunited Kingdom) would be more like the way it should be known.
Interesting... I had assumed the king would wear a uniform but you've made me understand this might not be practical nor symbolically correct. Now I'm curious what the queen will likely wear , too.
I'm sure I heard somewhere that the King was intending to wear a uniform. I think the knee breeches have had their day. Waiting to see what his Queen will wear. The Queen Mother (wife of George VI) looked lovely at her husband's coronation.
I think a reasonable compromise can be found, where the King where the traditional surcoat is worn with trousers instead of breaches and stockings, the uniform would be impractical however the breeches are rather dated
I think a surcoat would look funny with trousers.
Well, Charles III is an esoteric traditionialist so I'd expect him to amp up the tradition, not have less of it.
Man is a tradition geek
And he takes religion seriously. I expect he will go full on. After all, we have not had a coronation for about 70 years. We all need to brush up.
@@leahnichol6665 this Anglophile American certainly hopes he does!
Sorry, but could you explain to me why HM The King is an esoteric traditionalist? I always thought he was averse to tradition!
Thank you for a most informative & educational video on the coronation robes. Cheers!
My pleasure!
Learning the history of the traditional garments, I would love to see them. To some, they may appear to be outdated, but it is keeping the tradition alive. I can understand the challenges with the uniform, so I hope they can come up with a compromise.
Very Interesting and Wonderfully Informative. Gods Speed and Happy Easter ❤
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Thank you for explaining this. It is much clearer now.
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FASCINATING!
Could you make a video about the role the Queen Consort will play during the coronation ceremony?
Thank you! Already done. ruclips.net/video/r2nXaR-X7vE/видео.html
Great content, very informative. One minor quibble, the word sacerdotal is not pronounced sackerdotal, but sasserdotal according to Cambridge University. The "c" has an "S" sound.
I hope he decides to wear the traditional dress. Too many things have been knocked about by his sons and it would seem a shame for other things, especially traditional coronation attire. Too much is changing too fast; we need time to adjust to the alternations. 😞😔😟🥺😢
What a great video. Very indepth. Thankyou
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I was hoping for the traditional coronation. I wasnt alive for the Coronation of the Late Queen Elizabeth II. I wanted to see it in its full glory. Maybe William's coronation will be more traditional.
William has the personality of a chia pet, it will be much more subdued.
He did toy with the idea of stockings and tried them even but the Queen said at this time of life he may not have the best legs for them sadly
If they omit the anointing of the breast a uniform becomes practical. I think you have gone out on a limb somewhat as there have been repeated statements about the coronation being reflective of the future as well as the past. I think it likely that the King will enter the abbey without robes and he may leave wearing the parliamentary robe over his uniform. I think we need to brace ourselves for an event that is very different from that of 1953. I expect the communion service will be omitted and the homage will be very different as the peers will not be robed. I very much appreciate the information you provide in these videos and I often share your opinions. Personally I admire William IV for the simpler service after the extravaganza of 1821. He was very much his own man. As a loyal subject of the King I look forward to this coronation and the way it reflects the beliefs and values of our new Sovereign.
These traditions, even the clothing, really help connect to the past while uniting in the present. It would be a terrible shame to dramatically change the coronation regalia without some serious thought and input by those most informed on the subject.
STUCK IN THE PAST.
Excellent, thanks Allen
Thank you. Very, very interesting and clearly made.
Love historical clothing. Thank you for detailing the layers of the coronation outfit. Totally agree that a military costume is totally inappropriate for King Charles III for the ceremony.
Yes, trousers, the linen priestly chemise to me is superfluous. Definitely a surcoat and so on.
Article in The Times from last Sunday just caught my eye, "King Charles, don’t be a coronation chicken. Wear stockings!" Only a few months and we'll see whether His Majesty watched Allan's persuasive upload and decided to see sense. 👑
You never know!
...but he NEEDS knee breeches if he's going to wear The Garter! He can't tie The Garter around the tawdry pants of a mere admiral!
It would look awful.
"the tawdry pants of a mere admiral!" 😂 You have a way with words! :😀
@@ludovica8221 😂
I hope its all just press speculation. If he can't be arsed to wear the damn garter then whats the point of any of it...
Thank you so much, Allan. I found this very interesting. I do hope the idea mooted that the Royal dukes will not have to swear allegiance to the king are media hype as well. I believe that would be very wrong.
I do believe that the King didn't want all the dukes swearing fealty because it would take so long, but mainly because of the elderly royal dukes finding it difficult to kneel. King Charles never likes a lot of fuss and unnecessary ceremony.
@@rachelhenderson2688 My understanding is only William will swears individually, the rest swear in a huge group and it is most impressive. I could be wrong.
Thank you for a great video !!
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
George III had quite a nice coronation outfit from the portrait of him in every American history book.
Great video Allan
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Thank you for all that wonderful information & photographs of the Various robes the King will wear @ his Coronation. Im just wondering maybe I could be of some assist ance to the Archbishop of Canterbury on that day
it will be good to watch no matter what he choses, I can't wait🥰
I feel the same way as you regarding the costume for Charles III
Its it time you had your own television series
Very nice of you to say so, glad you're enjoying my videos!
Outside of the other significances, a byproduct of the choice of clothing/garments connects us to our history and i’d imagine for other Europeans, gives a sense to them of their own history, whatever they might think of monarchy today. I really don’t think it a good idea to change to contemporary dress styles, even trousers, given that connection to the past would be diluted in what is a relatively infrequent event.
So in the end he wore trousers, but I think that was a mistake. To wear such prosaic garments on his lower limbs while the rest of his body was clothed in unique and symbolic items made the latter look rather over the top. The white silk breeches and stockings of his ancestors on the other hand would have provided the correct visual balance.
Wouldn't a change from breeches to trousers complicate his ability to display the Garter proper? No one should wear any garter over trousers, nor Garter riband over coronation surcoat. Should not wear Garter badge (star) on coronation surcoat and/or without riband (if I recall correctly). That would leave only the Collar(chain) worn over the robes. Do the Rules of the Garter allow for wearing the collar-chain alone? It would surprise me, if so. Stick with breeches or transition the entire outfit.
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the king 👑 🙏☕💕🎉
I have memories of Charles being invested as the Prince of Wales in 1969, with a very grand ceremony. With Elizabeth's reign going on for so long, William went without that title until she died(?). Will there be an investiture for William?
@Argus Fleibeit I've heard there will be an investiture for William though he might try to use the excuse or modernity to try to do away with it until George.
@@meeeka and I've heard that there won't be.
lets hope not
I think the reports are probably accurate. Given (almost) everyone alive today has never witnessed a previous coronation of a King, I suspect there won’t be too much of a fuss in reality - we’re so used to seeing Charles, William etc in uniform that I think it will look perfectly appropriate, and less like a theatre costume than more elaborate costumes might. Or who know, there might just be a change of costume during the ceremony.
But thanks for the interesting history - knowing what has been done in the past will make watching in May that much more interesting!
@@JelMain They’ve already confirmed the ceremony will be shorter - I don’t think anyone will want a 3hr epic this time round!
@@Zveebo. I, for one, would.
Agreed - there’s a strong desire to make this more accessible. The argument about impracticality only matters if the same steps take place. I could see a symbolic anointing, for example.
At what point is it all just a costume though...hes going to be wearing two crowns in one day... not much can be more theatrical than that. Charles wears breeches every year at the Diplomatic reception. HAS TO WEAR BREECHES in order to wear the actual garter for the Order of the Garter so theres literally zero reason not to wear the surcote.
🕊️👑🕊️Anointing oil: When Queen Victoria died in 1901 after 60+ years in office, her anointing oil had crystalised, and her successor Edward vii anointing oil had to be made anew. George vi oil was shattered in an air raid on Westminster Abbey and Elizabeth II had new oil made for her anointing. It's wondered if her oil is in useable condition for Charles III.
An entire new video!!!
This is something historical. He's got a tough act to follow and he better start the reign by full pompt and splendor.
Even though high buildings are drafty and cold, all this stuff might lead to danger of overheating or even fainting. It sound very uncomfortable.