FlutterFlow VS Bubble 2023 |App Builder
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Thank you for the video! I am thinking about learning no-code and this helps a lot!
Glad this is helpful! Yes start your journey with no code and keep me posted on your progress!
Thanks for the update man!
No worries!
Awesome overview of FlutterFlow for scaling - thanks
No problem! Glad it was helpful!
Great analysis, keep it up
Appreciate it!
Thanks for the comparison! I am trying to develop an app with two distinct types of users and a market space, eventually I would like to have premium features. The app also need to allow for advertising, the advertising will be short 15-20 second ads from local businesses not a plugin type. I have been working on this in bubble but am wondering since it would just be a wrapped web app if I should go with something that would allow for more native features.
Hey great question! Personally I would go with flutterflow for more native features
I don't understand how those new software companies want us to buy their product if they don't have good tutorial from A to Z. A full stack tutorial should be the basic tutorial all the time.
Hey great question!
Depends on the platform but there are communities that out full tutorials.
For example Airdev with bubble
What platform are you trying to learn and do you have any coding experience or are currently starting from scratch?
@@docwilliams I’m an old school software engineer, windows app developer and I’m trying to do my first saas with Flutter or Bubble
@@AldrichCarrascohow is going? Made any progress? You chose Flutterflow or Bubble?
Nice vid thank you. I'm considering to use one of those to speed up apps development in my agency. But the problem is the backend to which customers always require to have an access and be able to manage the app themselves. Do both platforms allow to build backend equipped apps?
Great question! Yes they both do, depends on the functionality you need I would consider if you’re looking. For example FlutterFlow integrates with firebase, supabase, rowy.io etc
Thanks for the videos. Trying to decide whats best to learn for creating a basic app to log details. Obviously needs a database for user to store data and publish to google etc... any advise pls. Cant decide
Glad to help! Great question- if you’re looking for a native app to submit to the google play store I would go with FlutterFlow.
It is possible to submit a PWA app that bubble would be but you would need to have an app wrapper to get it into the store so I would just go with FlutterFlow.
Hope that helps take care!
Doc, what’s your suggestion for which no code to use for both web portal, and mobile app accessing same data store? I have been messing around with Adalo. I just want the users to be able to login via web or mobile, and responsive design doesn’t seem to be enough. Thanks!
Great question! I would go with FlutrerFlow for this type of project
Thank you for the great videos. You've got a new subscriber ❤
🤗 goad the videos are helpful!
Thanks for finding the channel!
I’m switching from wix because it requires code to build out more complex web app stuff. I was going to bubble but now I’m 2nd guessing it. I’m a real estate agent building an app that requires dashboards, forms, would like push notifications (which I assume is coming to bubble with the native app feature coming).. somewhat of a Zillow app and not just the property search stuff but the backend, property management (allow tenants to pay landlords via stripe), listing management stuff. From what I’ve seen on bubble I can def accomplish what I need there but idk if I can do it on FF. I definitely like the editor, and design features on FF a lot better but I really just need the foundational stuff and the flexibility to build out whatever I want or at least as close to it. I’m not a dev, idk how to code, I was using AI to code some things in Wix.
And Wix did the same thing with the pricing for Wix Studio which prompted me to leave because they put limits on the CMS and I was justifying not knowing code and trying to learn it to build on wix because the CMS was pretty much limitless but now I’m like I might as well build on a no-code platform.
I’m also back and forth about the lock-in stuff because I’m honestly only expecting to be using this with my clients so it wouldn’t be thousands of users, maybe not even hundreds at a time. I think bubble’s change isn’t a huge deal to me, but I would also be building out a admin CRM for me to interact with my clients but I don’t think the work unit thing should be a problem.
My bad for these paragraphs but I’m having a hard time trying to figure out which one to dive in and learn lol but to wrap up, at least initially, I don’t have paying customers paying into the app directly outside of the property management tool that won’t have a bunch of clients. Clients hire me as their agent but utilize my app for the transaction.
Hey no worries thanks for explaining and great questions.
This really depends on if you want to focus on an app or web experience.
If you want to go more mobile and app and worried about the locked in problem I would go with FlutterFlow.
You’ll be able to export your code and scale for an app.
If you’re going more web and exact flexibility I would consider flutterflow or weweb.
We’ll doing more weweb breakdown videos in the future and if you want FF check out our beginner videos.
Let me know if you have more questions take care!
@@docwilliams I think ima keep rocking with Bubble. Flutterflow seems more complicated when it comes to complex workflows and me not be super techy and already behind because I have to pivot from wix it’s easier to have a built in backend so I’m weWeb isn’t even a thought for that. Plus I gotta get back to my real estate business and I’ve already learned a little bit of bubble. lol and they’re dropping native apps! If the app happens to take off further I’ll pivot again and pay someone to build it out.
Which would you recommend if you were building a dating app? Lots of users, records, emphasis on search, etc etc. Not really advanced workflows like a crm. Def larger record volumes. Thoughts?
Great question! I would go with FlutterFlow
can I build a SAAS with flutterflow and export the file and host on my own domain and server?
Depends on the exact functionality you're for you saas but yes I don't see this being possbile.
wich one is better for a biginner in programing?. Wich one is better paid?
I would go with FlutterFlow
Hey so I am trying to create an SaaS like jobber, where businesses can sign up and send quotes/ contracts to their customers. So essentially businesses will have there own portal and there own customers. I know bubble has a sub site feature where each business that signs up to my platform will have a sub site. Can flutterflow do something like this? You and a lot of other people are saying flutterflow is generally better but do you think it would be suitable for my usecase? Thanks for your help and great videos!
Hey Ali!
Great question. Out of the two options I would go with FlutterFlow for this type of saas.
In general this seems like a better fit to customize a multi vendor marketplace like CS-Cart or Sharetribe.
You can def do it with FlutterFlow but depends on skill level and time.
Hope that helps take care!
Great video! So can you create web apps and mobile apps with these two nocode platforms?
Thanks! You can create web and mobile apps but only flutterflow allows you to create native mobile apps. Bubble would need an app wrapper.
@@docwilliams Thanks for the reply! Which one offers the most amount of payment providers? I'm located in Europe.
Hello i need on which platform to use for a project
What type of project are you creating?
@@docwilliams a multivendor platform where the vendor has a direct communication to their own client
Thanks for great video.
I would like to creat app like Uber mobile app.
Which one do you recommend please.
Glad it was helpful. I would go with FlutterFlow for that type of project.
Keep me posted on your progress. Take care!
Can you build an app on flutter flow that can utilize Google maps and or GPS features? Features similar to a running or biking tracking app but for a vehicle on the roads.
Great question! Yes you can! I would start by checking out this article- blog.flutterflow.io/live-tracking-google-maps-driver/
I want to build an app like cable killerz . Which should I use?
You’re going to need custom code to do something like that.
What about Appsheet?
Hey are you asking how does appsheet compare to the other two options? Or sre asking the benefits or use cases of using appsheet?
Hey Doc, if you were going to create a dating app like Bumble which platform would you use?
Great question! I would use FlutterFlow or toddle.dev/
Ive spent weeks looking into bubble to create essentially an eventbrite clone. I was sold so quick on bubble but now im not so confident its the platform for my mvp. What would you suggest to create an event web app?
Depends on the exact functionality but I would prob look into FlutterFlow or bildr
Hi! What have you decided? Are you sticking to Bubble or moving?
hi! would be nice if you respond to josip :)
Remember FF don't have backend
I am a UX designer with some basic HTML CSS knowledge, is Flutterflow too hard for me? My goal is to make a simple dating app with some payment functions...
Hey great question!
Flutterflow will still take time to get used to workflow and terminology but you can handle it since you already know html and css.
In fact it can help you if you want to do custom things for ff.
Hope that helps!
Hey! I was thinking of using flutterflow for a car sharing app for my local city, do you think it would be the right no code builder?
Hey great question! I would definitely consider using FlutterFlow for this project.
Flutterflow have a much better responsive system and most importand advantage is that you have direct acces do the database. In bubble is a pain to import data and manage it is even harder.
I agree with that for sure
would you use flutterflow for a multi-vendor marketplace?
Great question! I have an entire video coming out about this subject tomorrow!
The simple answer is no but will be releasing the video tomorrow morning 👀
Were can I learn flutterflow?
To get started I have a video for complete beginners here- ruclips.net/user/liveaG0mg7P1R60?feature=share
If you're trying to create something specific please let me know!
@@docwilliams thanks!, actually im struggling with something, im trying to create an app in flutterflow, but without using firebase only the local app storage, but i dont know how to create dynamic elements, for example if a person decides to clic "Add" one element pops out, and if he clicks again another element pops out, i dont know how to do that using the local app storage. if you could help me with that i would be grateful.
which one would be better to learn if I want to freelance
I would prob go with FlutterFlow but it depends who your ideal client is.
Hope that helps take care!
Hello Doc, I've being using bubble for the last 2 years, right now I have a marketplace setup so each store can get his own unique link to their store, and people can access to their products by just clicking on the link (without needing to download any app), can I accomplish the same with flutter flow?? thanks a lot!
Hey man! Great question! I believe you should be able to. I would need to know more about the unique link but in general you’ll able to do this with a web app version for FF.
Hi, I've been trying to create software for a while now, but I just can't get past a certain point that is vital to the process. I've used OpenAI to try and help, and there are not any videos on the problem I am trying to solve. Could we chat about it and maybe you could help me? I live in the U.S. and thought I would just reach out since you've been working for 2 years on the website.
@@itsreallyme7219 Sure! what's your problem exactly? and what platform are you using?
@@itsreallyme7219 hey feel free to email at doc@brandfactoryinc.com
If you want a full session I offer consulting here- bookme.name/brandfactoryinc/lite/supercharge-your-business-growth-with-a-strategy-call
@@CocoodlaRUclips keeps deleting my comments, it’s there another way we could communicate?
what's the best multi-vendor marketplace web+ mobile app in your opinion?
Depends but I’m really liking CS-Cart
www.cs-cart.com/no-code-marketplace-builder
Or Sharetribe Flex
More details coming soon!
Great help. I'm starting on Bubble because I did not find a no code platform or tool that gives me help with database creation and hosting and also allow me to build complex apps. Sure not having access to the code it's a con for Bubble but I wrote to many other no code builders and all of them answer they do not build complex apps.
Sounds great! Yup find a platform that fits your needs.
Love to hear it and keep me posted on your progress!
Hi Doc, I want to build a web app with the exact features available on the mobile app. I also want to add the blogging element since I believe it will drive a major chunk of the traffic. I might start out with a blog and then build an app while generating revenue from ads on the blog. I am so confused b/w FF, Bubble and WordPress (Because apparently, it is the best for blogs).
Any suggestions?
Hey great goal! I would use FF for the web app and mobile app that won’t be a problem. The web app would be a subdomain of your website- for example-
app.mynewappidea.com
The main site with the blog I agree just make it with Wordpress.
Keep me posted if you have more questions
@@docwilliams Thank you for taking out the time to reply! Clears up most of the confusion😊
Just one more thing, can I host the blog on wordpress and then add a subdomain for the web app on bubble or do it on FF? Is that possible or do I have to implement some workaround?
Which is the best app to create social media app that's rich in social media features...
If you’re thinking about mobile first and functionality for mobile apps I would go with FlutterFlow.
Unless there is a specific functionality you’ll looking for but in general I would suggest FlutterFlow.
@@docwilliams thank you sir... I have already fallen in love with it
Thanks for the video. I’m wanting to make my own app to manage memberships, class access and attendance for dance studios, and it’s just so hard to work out which platform would be best for the use case.
So I’ve been bingeing your videos and soaking in all the info 😅 thanks again.
Hey glad you’re hear! Depends on how custom you need it. For a full system but limited customization you could something like Book Like a Boss- www.booklikeaboss.com/?idev_id=1855
For more custom solutions could go with something like BuildFire or FlutterFlow.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions.
@@docwilliams wow, thanks for that. I appreciate the reply.
I think Book like a Boss only allows one-to-one meetings, which I’ve found with most similar plugins, but what I’m after is managing group dance classes, so I think I’ll have to go custom to get exactly what I’m after. I’ve been thinking flutterflow, because I’d like it to have both a web app and an integrated ios/android app option, but it’s great to have someone second that opinion. Really appreciate it.
Can I use flutterflow to build web apps like bubble?
Hey are you asking if FlutterFloe create a saas that allows users to create SaaS applications like Bubble?
So saas that allows a scalable system to create saas and projects?
If that’s the case, it would be better for bildr or craftar potentially
@@docwilliams Yes but web app based?
Overall, Bubble pricing is shifting to the cloud based web hosting model, right? For example...say like AWS or Digital Ocean.
I like to see a video where:
- Bubble Work Units are explained
- How/examples of poor Bubble workflows that will increase subscription costs
- How Bubble developers can build workflows that will NOT increase the number of Work Units but slightly.
Thanks!
Glad you stopped by and great questions!
For Bubble Work Units videos I found bubble devs on twitter have been the best resources to understand to help with that.
Marc Fletcher- twitter.com/MrMarcFletcher
or Lee Launches twitter.com/LeeLaunches
I might have them on a video to explain or maybe a livestream in the future...Thanks for the support and hope that helps!
I've invested so much time learning Bubble the last few weeks and this's discouraging me from moving on to a new app.
I am focusing on building an AI website that generates videos, images, and voice-overs for ads depending on the parameters the user enters, so you can imagine I will need to use a TON of API's from different platforms and a TON of data to train the AI models to adhere to the customer's taste.
However, I'm not sure if there's any other platform that offers robust database management and good flexibility in connecting API's and plugins. Bubble UI design suck and suck the souls out of me when I try to design something and that's the main reason I want to switch to a different platform that offers a good robust system for what I've mentioned AND most importantly easy UI design, preferably drag and drop to get started quickly.
Do you have any specific platform recommendations, Doc?
Much thanks in advance
Hey great question and glad to hear about your project. For what you’re looking to accomplish my suggestion might be to stick with bubble if it makes sense financially for you.
For example have you validated your idea with paid customers?
If not, I would stay with bubble because you have the speed advantage and have been building in the platform.
I would be more concern about validation and pricing your services correctly to see how the market reacts.
There are possible other options but I would like to hear where you currently are before suggesting alternatives.
@@docwilliams Hey Doc, thanks for the reply.
I did not validate my idea yet with real customers, I did market research and saw my competitors doing well from the page visits and getting on some news, it's a pretty new market and many of these companies don't really work enough to fine tune their API AI models so they produce somewhat less quality that what I am aiming for. Some of them are AdCreative AI, Steve AI, and Smartly IO.
I don't really have that much savings which is the reason I wanted to explore different options that are robust and affordable.
I remember wanting to learn full-stack coding but thankfully got introduced to no-code tools before that heavy time investment.
Right now I explored some functions of Figma for design and Framer as well, if Framer had the same workflow/database and API connection features as Bubble I would've 100% gone for it.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
I love Bubble, but the UI design is really painful, I wanted to add a simple glass effect/background blur and saw 0 tutorials on it and had to figure out how to code it while other platforms have tons and tons of tutorials for small every thing.
(I did hear some people suggesting changing my Bubble domain for the backend stuff and the landing page published with Framer for example but that seems inefficient.
I also read about using multiple no-code tools each for a specific use such as Airtable, Zapier, Figma, and Workflow but I'm not sure if that work spread would be worth it)
Thx for your summery, I'm inbetween both now, as flutterflow won't work in China.. and I don't see bubble as the right fit as it can't do apps
No problem! Interesting 🧐 about the issue in China about FlutterFlow I haven’t heard that before.
Flutterflow and Firebase are google based, which is not accessible within China since 2008
Can I build mobile apps with an existing bubble web app?
Great question! Technically yes, With bubble you can create an app wrapper but it will not have the same functionality as a native app.
@@docwilliams would you recommend flutterflow instead if I want to do a web app and mobile app to share the same data?
@@GabrielPierreStudios I would
what would you recommend i use? a social network app, similar to facebook and discord, but with multiple features like watchalongs, debates, challenges etc etc...large userbase and feature packed
For that type of project I would be looking at toddle (toddle.dev/) or bildr (www.bildr.com/) for that idea.
@@docwilliams i searched them up, but they also have vendor lock in like bubble...bubble is definitely more powerful..why use these 2?
@@dvine3488 ok so there’s a couple things to unpack.
If you’re concerned with vendor lock in (which understandable) that limits your options for what you want to do with no code or low code.
If vendor lockin is the main issue flutterflow would be your main option but that platform is not equipped to merely by a comp for discord or facebook unless you’re going for a specific feature and then we could talk about that.
Toddle and bildr both have specific strength and can be more powerful than bubble depending in your goals.
Bubble does win as an overall builder but this depends on your exact use case and proficiency with css, javascript etc. to increase functionality.
So to explore this more you have to first answer- what level are coming at this point? What is your main problem? I.e vendor lock-in etc
What is the one feature you need for your mvp right now?
@@docwilliams if I use bubble, can I export the database from bubble? If I can get a development team to build the front end and backend from scratch and have them transfer databases from bubble to the new created one? Not exporting the code, but the databases within the app?
@@dvine3488 in general yes you can use your choice of backends and you’ll need devs skilled in using xano, supabase etc. but yes it’s possible.
Depends on how the database is designed and actions or association needed for the app but yes you can use a third party database.
I think we should confirm
FF don't have backend
I would check with the FF via twitter for the answer or verify different backend options in the flutterflow documentation here- docs.flutterflow.io/data-and-backend/firebase/firestore-database
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