I lived my life as an adult by "Primes Code" Even as I worked my way up the ranks from Firefighter to Battalion Chief I tried to be the kind of leader Optimus was and lead by example! Sure he is just a character or toy etc but he was a very positive role model for many of us who grew up watching him!
I honestly wish they didn't introduced him in such a controversial way because he is a cool character and has a great design , they should have at least introduced in season 2 or something. It's a shame that Hasbro nowadays seems to be afraid of giving rod another major role
@@ironmaster6496 I agree if hot rod was a already established character with people already knowing him as the young hot head of the autobots with occasional moments of creativity and leadersip (tho with no obvious hints to him becoming leader just good character moments to show his potential and positive traits) the events of the movie would of hit so much harder, like watching him grow up and make his transition into a lead and the struggles he faced more relatable as you knew him as hot rod more.
The fact that Optimus is such a hero to so many kids over so many generations is really kind of heart warming. He's not edgy, he's not a try-hard, or a show off; rather he's wise, he's kind, he's gentle, compassionate, and forgiving. He doesn't talk tough; he acts. And he's never afraid to sacrifice himself for the greater good, or for those he cares about. He's not just a hero, he's the ideal of what a father should be. And it's all perfectly embodied in the way he's portrayed by Peter Cullen: a deep, warm, calm voice. One that's confident and undeniably very masculine, without ever being macho. It's the reassuring voice of a father figure who doesn't preach, but leads by example. He is without question one of the finest role-models a child could ever have. And Peter Cullen's magnificent voice is such an essential part of that identity.
@@Airagon_ Nah you beat Vegeta into the ground to show off power, you murder Killin to display evil. We already know a character is either but those acts are what puts it into perspective.
More like people wanted him back and Hollywood or Hasbro executives felt he wasn't important, only for fans to rebel and make them bring him back. They need to learn to stop doing that. Fans don't want Bumblebee, we want Optimus.
I remembered that the 1st time I watched Dark Awakening as a kid, I was Traumatized seeing Prime's left eye like that. And at the same time, he went suicide/sacrificed mission when the spaceship that he was in exploded. The moment his image shows in space REALLY MADE ME CRY IN PAIN MORE THAN HOW KIDS CRIED WHEN OPTIMUS DIED IN THE MOVIE.
Prime has died so many times that it's lost all impact to anyone watching it, but I was 8 when I watched the movie in the cinema and it was a really big deal.
He only died once in the G1 cartoon..well once and a half if you include Zombie Prime. Outside of G1 doesn't count and means nothing to me..they weren't even really Prime as far as I'm concerned..
Michael Parker I grew up with the transformers movie since cybertron and energon ended and I felt the death of Optimus in revenge of the fallen and I saw the original animated movie before I saw rotf
It would be more inpactfull if Hasbro would get some courage and acually for once let him stay dead. But that will never happen. I am still suprised Megatron did not show up in Robots in Disguise atleast there they stuck to there Guns.
I was very fortunate to had seen transformers the movie in theaters I remember my dad taken me and my older brother to see and when the bad language started to fly and death was laid down apon the autobots parents started taken their kids out I told my dad please dad I gotta watched this and my dad said of course we're going to watch it I paid money to see this we ain't going nowhere so I was one of the lucky few who saw the end and all the kids in my class were coming up to me for all the sweet details I had power over my classmates and I had knowledge that other kids didn't and back in those days there were no movie rentals you had to remember what you saw. I still have the original movie when I came out for sale on VHS I bet I watched it a thousand times. Priceless
Movie rental place started in the very early eighties so they were around. however I think you meant that it wasn't out on video yet. of course it wouldn't have been for at least six months to a year back then. seemed like back in the 80s it took about a year before it would come out on VHS. I wish I could have saw it but my parents were cheapskates and weren't gonna pay to watch a movie they cared nothing about lol!
thats a sweet dad right there. unfortunatly i was just reaching my first b-day when this came out in theatres so i wasnt gunna get to see it, not that i would have anyways my parents were kinda distracted with their divorce for my first b-day)
man that's awesome. I remember my dad recording it from tv back in 1988 for my brother and me. we must of watched a thousand times as well...those were the days
I saw Transformers: The Movie in theaters, and loved it! Yes, I cried when Prime died. It was sad. But I loved when Rodimus was born. That was a great scene when he was running down the hallway, stops, and orders everyone to transform and roll out! Dark Awakening has always been my favorite episode of season 3, and one of the best episodes of all time. "Monsters. They made me a weapon, to destroy the very ones I loved in life. But you will save them, Rodimus Prime." "No Autobot could survive that!"
@@RodimusPrimal it shouldn't have said in the return of optimus prime it should have been called the return making optimus prime coming back to life a suprise
@@flameblast7364 Actually, there was a bump before the closing credits of a few episodes prior to the re-airing of Dark Awaking that had clips of the movie, plus Peter Cullen saying "Real Heroes never die. I, Optimus Prime, can never be conquered!" followed by the narrator saying that the return of Optimus Prime was coming soon.
@@RodimusPrimal Speaking of which, unless you already did, you should have a feature of today's whereabouts of voice talents that graced Seasons 1-3. Peter Cullen and Frank Welker are still around, but what about the others?
@@basedpota And there in lies the problem with the movies, it's told through the humans, not the robots. It should have just been called "Humans: Oh, There Are Robots Too". I also got sick of how every single plot of every movie was "Earth is always in the Transformers history". Why can't it be just Tranformer's history? Why does Earth have to be the center of the universe? Also, humping dogs and robot scrotums were a thing too... fuck Micheal Bay.
Optimus Prime was able to return because of the power of the Hasbro executives collectively realizing they screwed up killing him off in the animated movie.
@@RodimusPrimal I can't remember how I was introduced to transformers but since I was born in 2006 (I'll let you do the math) my guess was the live action movies...also turns out both me and Michael Bay are alike as we think things should be awesome...and explode
Sky lynx: "our leader is back" Optimus: "Yes Sky Lynx, and now.... no force in the universe can stop me". What can I say, its cheesy as hell and that delivery STILL gives me goosebumps. *edit* Peter Cullen's delivery on zombie Optimus, and when Optimus is revived is just... goddamn, it's so good. SO GOOD I SAY.
🤨I was told Peter Cullen didn't do the voice of Optimus as a zombie or when he was revived. That was another voice actor. Could be wrong but it was in an interview with Peter Cullen.
Prime's death was shocking. I remember being very upset. This was a huge deal to a kid in the 80s. What an awesome movie (Michael Bay sucks--stop putting boring human characters into Transformers!!)
@@IChIDH totally. I still blame Hot Rod/ Rodimus for Prime's death. If his stupid ass hadn't gotten involved Prime wouldn't have died and we wouldn't have gotten the nightmare fuel of Zombie Prime.
It's about time that the animated movie was remade with the remaining voice actors returning (and others replacing if they voiced a character in some media in the later years - example Starscream), redone cel animation, remastered music and finally animating the missing storyboard sections to give use the full experience as a "transformed" edition for cinema. With maybe a double showing with the original film coming on first. It would sell gangbusters.
Peter Cullen has one of the best voices in Hollywood having somebody else doing optimus prime is a sacrilege can you imagine darth vader with a different voice i can't. When it comes to voices 1 is James Earl Jones and 2 is Peter Cullen. One is the voice of the scariest guy in the galaxy and the other one is the voice of one of the bravest and caring individuals in the galaxy how cool is that
" Hey thanks a lot pal I was supposed to be studying for a big test until I found this channel now it's ten years later and I can't afford to feed my wife and kids who I don't even know where they came from because I haven't moved form this chair! How many videos do you HAVE about transformers on this channel, can you please upload more because I think I'm almost caught up! Thank you very much also my favorite Transformers moment is when Bumblebug and Optimum Prime shared the first same-sex hug in a children's cartoon. I remember that being a big deal back in the day and they got in a lot of trouble with Nancy Reagan because she thought it would lead to kids doing drugs. Well she was right cause I've got so much yayo up my nose right now that an errant sneeze might cost me two hundred bucks. Stay in school kids. " -Big Money Salvia
Man, zombie prime it's the most terrifying thing i've ever seen, imagine knowing that who once was your leader now is a braindead killing machine that could appear right in front of you at any moment just to end you
I was in the second grade when TFTM came out. I don’t remember crying, but I remember being completely shocked when I saw the whole epic battle of Prime vs. Megatron and Prime’s death.
I was depressed for months after the movie, I adored Optimus and I was a girl. I was just devestated. I am so glad he came back for the US audience for good, although I understood that there was more made for the Japanese audience where he would shortly die again. I use the US version as the final last episode of Transformers where Optimus takes his rightful place in command again driving his Autobots off into the sunset.
Well the Rebirth still exists and Optimus was present for that with Headmasters and Targetmasters. Also, if you count Season 5's puppet's stories, He became a Powermaster at some point.
Zan Jayna not in American continuity. The reason why the Japanese had make PM Prime a different character is because they killed Prime AGAIN in the 3rd episode of Headmasters and Masterforce was meant to be a soft reboot.
Ahhh so the other death in G2 during the fight with Galvatron... Hasbro only released it to the Japanese market/Audience??? There is a video titled 'Optimus 3rd death' on youtube and is dubbed in Japanese... so that would be why???
And then the Beast Era hit and no one has any idea where the hell he went. Some sources say he was last seen in deep stasis, others that he died, more still that he's in a quasi-reality of pure madness, and a final one stating he's a space explorer. The amount of splinter timelines don't make things easier.
I recently rewatched the movie after having not seen it in probably 10-ish years. Honestly seeing him die hurt more now than it did seeing it for the first time 20 years ago.
it's also very likely the animation issues you mention were attributed to the proximity of the people working on them to their respective lunch breaks and bathroom breaks
Optimus probably did a Stasis lock, as you said. But in some cases, as proven in newer continuities, and comics, some forms of Stasis lock were shown to “repair” the injured bot. My guess? He drew raw materials to himself, before entering stasis. The materials interacted with his remaining spark energy, and thus repaired the exterior. Just a thought. Edit: Thanks for the like, Rodimus!
It’s nice that Peter Cullen took advice from his brother , Larry Cullen , when Peter Cullen was getting ready to voice Optimus Prime. Then Lorenzo Di Bonaventura had to ruin Optimus Prime’s character.
"Jarring" is a great way to describe the animation error. Love the idea of Matrix reviving him and then he goes into stasis lock. Adding to that, in my mind, Prime's ship wasn't completely destroyed by the Quintesson detonator, his ship had a repair system on it (similar to the Ark in the pilot of the G1 cartoon), and that's the system that repaired him before Jessica and Gregory found him. The stars going nova was a completely different explosion than the Quintesson detonator.
When Optimus died it hit me like a ton of bricks. He was an incredibly strong character with Peter Cullen's voice that transcended normal Saturday morning cartoons.
I remember when me and my friends went to see this in the movie theater. When we got up to the box office we tried the whisper that we wanted tickets for the Transformers movie because of our age we were in our late teens and early 20s cuz back then it wasn't common for adults to go see a cartoon without any kids and it was the first time I heard the word "damn" in a cartoon. Or any curse words for that matter.
As a kid growing up in 07 when I was first introduced to TF and fell in love with the g1 original series and rewatching the return of prime multiple times was such a great nostalgia breakdown
The Return of Optimus Prime part 1 and 2 are totally memorable but imo the makers of the series miss the opportunity to give Optimus Prime a new look and some tweaks like Megatron being reborn as Galvatron.
This is probably my favorite video of all time! No joke. I remember being sooooo confused as a kid by the Zombie Prime and Return of Prime storylines and their continuity issues. Thanks for clearing this up!
I remembered that the 1st time I watched Dark Awakening as a kid, I was Traumatized seeing Prime's left eye like that. And at the same time, he went suicide/sacrificed mission when the spaceship that he was in exploded. The moment his image shows in space REALLY MADE ME CRY IN PAIN MORE THAN HOW KIDS CRIED WHEN OPTIMUS DIED IN THE MOVIE.
I had the hate plague on copied VHS from the TV back when I was fumbling with tape cassettes and spectrum computer systems. Long time ago but I'll never forget it and the soundtracks stay with you forever!
I think your idea about the matrix reviving his mind was a good idea. Earlier, I thought of Perceptor installing shield in the ship which was not activated successfully until shortly before the ship crashed into the detinator. The shield would have protect the ship and Prime from further damage. After that the ship's automatic repair system tried to repair everything and even put Prime's arm back on and made his outer area look good as new. However, it was unable to properly work on his inner system, which required careful work. In doing all that the ship used up much of its' energy and was unable to do anything else on it's own.
This movie changed my life, the most moving ever lasting movie of all time. I cried and became a man the day I saw optimus prime die. His spirit is forever!!!
I remember being happy when Optimus Prime returned in Dark Awakening. But the joy was short lived when prime turned on his fellow troops. A very disturbing episode.
I've wondered the same thing about the Return of Optimus Prime. During his kamikaze run at the end of Dark Awakening, we see the ship and Optimus at the helm taking flak from the Quintesson base before colliding with it in a humongous explosion. No other ship has a chance to intervene and there are presumably no survivors. In the first part of the Return, we see the human exploration vessel encounter an intact ship that wasn't on a collision course with an asteroid or whatever and wasn't under enemy fire and with an intact Optimus Prime at the helm. They rescue him before the star goes nova destroying the ship. Animation errors notwithstanding, how to reconcile the discontinuity? Suspension of disbelief, like with Optimus's (magically disappearing) trailer or other logical inconsistencies, has been as much a mainstay of what is basically a glorified toy commercial since its inception.
You know the moment you mentioned in the video about how Prime's spark transferred back into his body while he had the matrix, I was like. Yeah and then he went into stasis lock I was like. "Okay, yeah that actually makes sense and I can believe." So kudos on a thought-out if in the end a fairly simple solution to a continuity error.
While I'm more of a Rodimus Prime fan, the movie has Optimus say 'Do not grieve, for soon I will be one with the Matrix.' So I'll say that your theory is solid. Also, Zombie Optimus I thought was both terrifying and awesome.
I was one of the crying kids! I was 9!!!! I lived for that show and Optimus was my hero!!! I still get tears when I watch the movie at 43. Loved the g one series still. Your theory makes total sense my friend!! I really like you content and I am a harsh critic.
@@aaronryherd6607 Same here. I remember hearing stories of kids hiding in closets after the movie and the "Zombotimus" episodes. I also remember hearing that some kids wanted to take Hasbro to court for the murder of Optimus Prime.
Man, the part where zombified Optimus gave the Matrix to Hot Rod to become Rodimus Prime is like a Father say goodbye to his son... Maybe Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime is Optimus Prime's secret son...
He is in a fanfic titled Web of the Spider by Frog1. He’s Optimus Prime and Elita-One’s son. Optimus doesn’t return in that story but someone else does.
My guess is the "matrix effect' it cured zombie Prime's madness, but even after it was removed the energy kept going fixing his body despite being "deceased"
I think that the power of the matrix was partially absorbed into his body, and over time it healed it. If it can bring things to life, it can probably repair them too.
What a wonderful break down and truly remarkable theory craft. Also, the scene where Optimus Prime dies gets me emotional 'til this very day. The music and directing of that scene sticks with me still.
Wow once again you have out done your self giving a good reason for a question thats tuff to think about without the acurance of animation errors. Amazing as always.
My 5 year old daughter loves transformers and especially Prime, just as I did when I was growing up. So much so I tracked down a g1 in box prime for us to share. We have watched every episode on dvd over a number of months up to the movie. She was hyped to see it and I was hyped to watch it with her. We started watching it. We got to the part where he dies. My daughter turns to me after the scene has finished. With tears rolling down her face she says. "Dad, I don't want to watch this anymore". I stop the movie. I ask if she's ok. She's sobbing and lunges at me for a cuddle. I cuddle her. I cry. We cuddle and cry with each other. Her heart is broken and mine aches for her loss. I'm 41 years old. It makes me happy to share something I love from my childhood with my daughter.
The death of Optimus and its subsequent reaction caused the studio to change the ending of G.I. Joe: Duke's alive! Meanwhile, I don't think kids had the same emotional investment in Duke Hauser as they had in Optimus Prime.
Not only that, but the box-office failure of both *Transformers* and *My Little Pony* convinced Hasbro/Marvel/Sunbow to air *GI Joe the Movie* on television instead of the big screen.
Optimus prime was the best ever I remember watching him as a kid. Every body loved prime he was Nobel selfless brave .long live the original optimus prime .
I remember the series was on ch 9 at 4PM rite before gi joe at 430pm after school hours optimus prime he's my favourite transferformer the leader a the autobots against the evil decepticons good memories in the 80s my favourite cartoon a all tyme.
I hate how they are trying to make Bumblebee the new central character of the franchise. I would be okay with Hot Rod because he's worthy of the Matrix, Magnus too, he's awesome but not quite a supreme commander yet. Even Primal (Beast Wars) and Smokescreen (in the aligned continuity) for similar reasons. But Bee? He's just popular, not Prime material.
I remember when he died in the movie, I thought it was the end of Transformers for good. It was heartbreaking. Big gamble there by the creators to kill off one of it's major characters. I think his return was rushed due to the negative feedback and therefore, the red herring in the animation. There was also a narration in the movie that said "The greatest Transfomer of all, Optimus Prime will return". I wonder if that was in the original cut or if that got added later due to the negative response and us kids being upset. That said, I actually liked Rodimus Prime and felt he was a good character. Optimus being killed off hurt, but I warmed to Rodimus and thought he was cool. I feel it's kind of a shame he never really was given a chance by fans.
I take it you are in the UK since the line about Optimus Prime was not in the original cut that we got here in the US. I too think Rodimus Prime was a good character too. In fact he's my favorite.
This was the same theory I always had with Optimus’ spark transferring to his laser core. That part of him would probably have had to be repaired by the Quintessons to even get a functioning zombie. I still want to know why Rodimus always shrunk back to Hot Rod without the Matrix, but Optimus never reverts to Orion Pax.
LUNITIC WILL I've never hated the Quintessons more than I did in "Dark Awakening". Completely desecrating Optimus' crypt, turning him into their undead slave and masterminded the destruction of the Autobot masoleaum. I was actually hoping for an episode in which those five-faced freaks piss off Galvatron to the point where he goes absolutely insane with rage and obliterates them.
1986. pivotal year in my life. I remember the death of prime very well. Shocking to say the least to see one of your most favorite characters from your childhood die, not to mention the rest of the original G1 line. Something never seen before in those times. Same could be said about the couple of profane words used in the movie as well..which was also never done before with a popular kids show.. That was why it was quickly pulled from the theaters after been shown only for a short time.. "Dark Awakening " was almost just as cold to see him die once again along with the destruction of the rest of the autobots in that mausoleum..forever removing any hope that they could ever be brought back.. . When they finally brought Prime back in "Return of Optimus Prime part 1 and 2", by then something seemed different and he wasn't the same..But out of it all, I never could understand how they could be perminately killed like that when in the first episode, they were all killed when the autobot "ark" crashed into that volcano and they lay dormant for millions of years until teletran 1 was able to bring them back to life somehow..Nevermind how Optimus was first killed by Megatron when he was just a warehouse dockworker named Orion Packs and brought back to life by Alpha Trion. Its rather disappointing to learn, after all these years, the real reasons they were killed was just so they could discontinue a group of ,then still quite popular, toy line characters just to make room for new batch of characters/ toys. And truth be told, the newer transformer toys really wern't all that great compared to the original first line from 84. Same goes for many other toys at the time as well..The more new characters introduced , for profit reasons, the dumber and more stupid the whole line along with the stories got..until kids just got weary with it and moved on. masters of the universe, GI Joe for example..The later newer cheaper looking characters just could never hold up to the quality and originality original first line. I suspect they knew this which is why you couldn't find any G1 characters after a time. But it was already too late when they ressurected prime back into the series. damage was done already.
When I first saw Optimus's revival that way with no damage to his body, I figured he'd somehow survived his suicide run, then fully repaired himself, only to go into stasis lock and drift in space till he was found again.
It's wholesome how kids cried when Optimus died. He was everyone's kind of hero.
I lived my life as an adult by "Primes Code" Even as I worked my way up the ranks from Firefighter to Battalion Chief I tried to be the kind of leader Optimus was and lead by example! Sure he is just a character or toy etc but he was a very positive role model for many of us who grew up watching him!
@@rescuecaptainbob8564 respect
@@rescuecaptainbob8564 Excellent!
Stay safe out there!
@@rescuecaptainbob8564 I salute you
I still can’t watch when Optimus dies. I’m 36 and I still cry
How was Optimus Prime able to come back? Come on, man. He had The Touch. He had The Power.
YEAH!!!
The toyline says he’s immortal
BrotherApexx Damn you beat to it 😂😂😂😂😂
*BrotherApexx*
You got that right, brother. Lol
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The art of "The Transformers: The Movie" still holds up.
just watched it again in 2021 after probably 20 years since the last time. what an enjoyable nostalgia trip
unicrons presentation will NEVER get old and not scary to me.
Damn I didn't realize optimus prime has died ans came back more than goku
I was extremely upset Optimus died in the movie. I quickly learned to like Hot Rod but he was no Optimus.
I think that is why I love Rodimus Prime. He's not Optimus. I like both characters for different reasons.
I honestly wish they didn't introduced him in such a controversial way because he is a cool character and has a great design , they should have at least introduced in season 2 or something.
It's a shame that Hasbro nowadays seems to be afraid of giving rod another major role
@@ironmaster6496 I agree if hot rod was a already established character with people already knowing him as the young hot head of the autobots with occasional moments of creativity and leadersip (tho with no obvious hints to him becoming leader just good character moments to show his potential and positive traits) the events of the movie would of hit so much harder, like watching him grow up and make his transition into a lead and the struggles he faced more relatable as you knew him as hot rod more.
he was great because he wasn't like optimus. optimus is near perfect leader that it's quite boring.
Hot rod is just a jerk.
I'm glad optimus was back
Long live optimus
The fact that Optimus is such a hero to so many kids over so many generations is really kind of heart warming. He's not edgy, he's not a try-hard, or a show off; rather he's wise, he's kind, he's gentle, compassionate, and forgiving. He doesn't talk tough; he acts. And he's never afraid to sacrifice himself for the greater good, or for those he cares about. He's not just a hero, he's the ideal of what a father should be. And it's all perfectly embodied in the way he's portrayed by Peter Cullen: a deep, warm, calm voice. One that's confident and undeniably very masculine, without ever being macho. It's the reassuring voice of a father figure who doesn't preach, but leads by example.
He is without question one of the finest role-models a child could ever have. And Peter Cullen's magnificent voice is such an essential part of that identity.
“He’s died 24 times” the only reason he’s back is because of his armour it’s a special type called plot armour
Lol and people give Krillin and Yamcha crap for dying too many times
@@Airagon_ true but their deaths are often just to job for the newest villain to show just eeeeeevil they are
@@gideonmele1556 id say more power then evil cause we know they already evil lol.
@@Airagon_ Nah you beat Vegeta into the ground to show off power, you murder Killin to display evil. We already know a character is either but those acts are what puts it into perspective.
More like people wanted him back and Hollywood or Hasbro executives felt he wasn't important, only for fans to rebel and make them bring him back. They need to learn to stop doing that. Fans don't want Bumblebee, we want Optimus.
Prime’s left eye was terrifying at the end of Dark Awakening
Me reading this: why what was up with his eye? Me watching the actual episode and seeing it: “ohhh well looks like I gotta change my pants”
I remembered that the 1st time I watched Dark Awakening as a kid, I was Traumatized seeing Prime's left eye like that. And at the same time, he went suicide/sacrificed mission when the spaceship that he was in exploded. The moment his image shows in space REALLY MADE ME CRY IN PAIN MORE THAN HOW KIDS CRIED WHEN OPTIMUS DIED IN THE MOVIE.
Jeffrey JeffreyFLF the sad thing is, I didn’t see the 1986 movie until like 2-4 months ago when I bought it on my Xbox
Don't worry it's just a scratch meanwhile in the life action continuity 28 STAB WOUND
Yeah
Prime has died so many times that it's lost all impact to anyone watching it, but I was 8 when I watched the movie in the cinema and it was a really big deal.
He only died once in the G1 cartoon..well once and a half if you include Zombie Prime. Outside of G1 doesn't count and means nothing to me..they weren't even really Prime as far as I'm concerned..
Michael Parker I grew up with the transformers movie since cybertron and energon ended and I felt the death of Optimus in revenge of the fallen and I saw the original animated movie before I saw rotf
@@xHaloxReviewerx117x how could you feel anything other than the loss of the will to live watching a Bayformers movie?
It would be more inpactfull if Hasbro would get some courage and acually for once let him stay dead. But that will never happen. I am still suprised Megatron did not show up in Robots in Disguise atleast there they stuck to there Guns.
The only time it was shocking was in Revenge of the Fallen, simply because it was roughly half-way through the film.
I was very fortunate to had seen transformers the movie in theaters I remember my dad taken me and my older brother to see and when the bad language started to fly and death was laid down apon the autobots parents started taken their kids out I told my dad please dad I gotta watched this and my dad said of course we're going to watch it I paid money to see this we ain't going nowhere so I was one of the lucky few who saw the end and all the kids in my class were coming up to me for all the sweet details I had power over my classmates and I had knowledge that other kids didn't and back in those days there were no movie rentals you had to remember what you saw. I still have the original movie when I came out for sale on VHS I bet I watched it a thousand times. Priceless
Use commas, please!
Movie rental place started in the very early eighties so they were around. however I think you meant that it wasn't out on video yet. of course it wouldn't have been for at least six months to a year back then. seemed like back in the 80s it took about a year before it would come out on VHS. I wish I could have saw it but my parents were cheapskates and weren't gonna pay to watch a movie they cared nothing about lol!
@@stevemathews8429 and now they're out on blue ray in 2 months
thats a sweet dad right there. unfortunatly i was just reaching my first b-day when this came out in theatres so i wasnt gunna get to see it, not that i would have anyways my parents were kinda distracted with their divorce for my first b-day)
man that's awesome. I remember my dad recording it from tv back in 1988 for my brother and me. we must of watched a thousand times as well...those were the days
I saw Transformers: The Movie in theaters, and loved it! Yes, I cried when Prime died. It was sad. But I loved when Rodimus was born. That was a great scene when he was running down the hallway, stops, and orders everyone to transform and roll out! Dark Awakening has always been my favorite episode of season 3, and one of the best episodes of all time. "Monsters. They made me a weapon, to destroy the very ones I loved in life. But you will save them, Rodimus Prime." "No Autobot could survive that!"
Haha "but is this really the end of optimus prime?" "find out in tomorrows exciting episode the return of optimus prime!"
Victor Caroli certainly made it exciting for the next episode.
@@RodimusPrimal it shouldn't have said in the return of optimus prime it should have been called the return making optimus prime coming back to life a suprise
@@flameblast7364 Actually, there was a bump before the closing credits of a few episodes prior to the re-airing of Dark Awaking that had clips of the movie, plus Peter Cullen saying "Real Heroes never die. I, Optimus Prime, can never be conquered!" followed by the narrator saying that the return of Optimus Prime was coming soon.
@@RodimusPrimal
Speaking of which, unless you already did, you should have a feature of today's whereabouts of voice talents that graced Seasons 1-3.
Peter Cullen and Frank Welker are still around, but what about the others?
Will goku defeat freeza find out on the next episode of DBZ, Freeza defeated
Why did Ultra Magnus not stay dead?
“I can’t deal with that right now.”
he never died..he was just resting his eyes.
The Storyteller because he was the soldier commander they needed after all the original characters died
The second in command never dies
Lol
The Storyteller lol, good one!
“ one shall stand one shall fall” the famous line that is said for every one on one battle between optumis prime and megaton
The animated movie will always be better than the live-action...
So I can see you haven't seen the bumblebee intro then😂🤣
Yeah I think so too!
At eight
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@@basedpota And there in lies the problem with the movies, it's told through the humans, not the robots. It should have just been called "Humans: Oh, There Are Robots Too". I also got sick of how every single plot of every movie was "Earth is always in the Transformers history". Why can't it be just Tranformer's history? Why does Earth have to be the center of the universe? Also, humping dogs and robot scrotums were a thing too... fuck Micheal Bay.
"We're you killed?"
Optimus Prime: "Sadly yes, but I lived."
" *phew* "
Lol that's to funny and i see you used ice age 3 quote
RIP Blue Sky Studios
Optimus Prime was able to return because of the power of the Hasbro executives collectively realizing they screwed up killing him off in the animated movie.
DarkRenegade001 HA XD
DarkRenegade001 AMEN
+Jkd Buck76 There was NO Lucasfilm there. Lucasfilm died the moment Disney took over.
Orson Wells was behind everything, Hasbro screwed it all by bringing him from the dead!
Lol, indeed!
Nothing that follows compares to the heart and soul of the original cartoon series, which basically defined my childhood I loved it so much.
All 98 episodes plus the movie. I love the original G1 cartoon!
You said it
@@RodimusPrimal I can't remember how I was introduced to transformers but since I was born in 2006 (I'll let you do the math) my guess was the live action movies...also turns out both me and Michael Bay are alike as we think things should be awesome...and explode
RodimusPrimal I agree do you like Prime as well? I know you're a G1 guy, but I liked them both.
@@matthewreynoso6904 TFP and G1 are my favourites of all time. Animated comes close second and no other shows come close to these for me
Sky lynx: "our leader is back"
Optimus: "Yes Sky Lynx, and now.... no force in the universe can stop me".
What can I say, its cheesy as hell and that delivery STILL gives me goosebumps.
*edit*
Peter Cullen's delivery on zombie Optimus, and when Optimus is revived is just... goddamn, it's so good. SO GOOD I SAY.
Sky Lynx: Our leader is back.
Optimus: You... brought me back to life?
Quintesson: IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!
Optimus: I thank you.
🤨I was told Peter Cullen didn't do the voice of Optimus as a zombie or when he was revived. That was another voice actor. Could be wrong but it was in an interview with Peter Cullen.
The Return of Optimus Prime episodes 1 - 2 have cheesy lines like that, but, as an adult re-watching these again, I still still find these lines cool.
"Not a game! ...Matrix makes me too strong!"
"Now there's a unique complaint!"
-Optimus Prime wails on Hot Rod, who takes it in stride
Rofl... Only rivalled by Starscream's death count. Made my day
Prime's death was shocking. I remember being very upset. This was a huge deal to a kid in the 80s. What an awesome movie (Michael Bay sucks--stop putting boring human characters into Transformers!!)
His death in Prime was at least satisfying.
And the funny part, is that they killed Prime AGAIN in Season 3. Lol.
I was like who is this Rodimus clown?
@@IChIDH totally. I still blame Hot Rod/ Rodimus for Prime's death. If his stupid ass hadn't gotten involved Prime wouldn't have died and we wouldn't have gotten the nightmare fuel of Zombie Prime.
@@matthewreynoso6904 how so? You mean when Prime died in the TF Prime's movie? That wasn't satisfying.
"alright Hot Rod's back! let's party!"
I love that part
FORGIVE ME LOL
Lol
I love the g1 movie so freaking much
We all do. It’s still awesome.
Myself as well. I hate Bayformers!!
Which is why bringing back Optimus was doubly stupid, totally undermining the dramatic impact of the movie.
They keep doing these transformer movies. And no one seems to be grasping the concept... make the cartoon movie into a real movie.
It's about time that the animated movie was remade with the remaining voice actors returning (and others replacing if they voiced a character in some media in the later years - example Starscream), redone cel animation, remastered music and finally animating the missing storyboard sections to give use the full experience as a "transformed" edition for cinema. With maybe a double showing with the original film coming on first.
It would sell gangbusters.
Peter Cullen has one of the best voices in Hollywood having somebody else doing optimus prime is a sacrilege can you imagine darth vader with a different voice i can't. When it comes to voices 1 is James Earl Jones and 2 is Peter Cullen. One is the voice of the scariest guy in the galaxy and the other one is the voice of one of the bravest and caring individuals in the galaxy how cool is that
You forgot about a certain alien hunter with a fetish for skills and spines.
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You SERIOUSLY HAVENT MOVED FROM THAT CHAIR HOW YOU STILL ALIVE HOW U EAT HOW I DRINK HOW U PEE HOW U POOP!?!?
@@zaukonig6265 the same way the Transfomers do, of course
Man, zombie prime it's the most terrifying thing i've ever seen, imagine knowing that who once was your leader now is a braindead killing machine that could appear right in front of you at any moment just to end you
I was 5 years old when I saw this in the theater and I cried when prime died.
Al marquez You not a fan if you didnt cry
Thank you
I am 43. I STILL cry today when I watch it. Only death I took harder as a kid was Yoda.
I was in the second grade when TFTM came out. I don’t remember crying, but I remember being completely shocked when I saw the whole epic battle of Prime vs. Megatron and Prime’s death.
My 26 year old girlfriend cried when Prime died in Revenge of the Fallen.
So, in short, they made Optimus Prime the Kenny of Transformers.
or duke the Kenny of gijoe.
Omg they killed optimus! 😳
@@mrparkerdan "you bastards!"
Transformers, more then meets the eye. Transformers, Robots who are constantly revived!
Because of toys
it is darn good lines.
but it is hard to sing out because of too many words. How about "transformers, bots who always revive "
The perk of being a bot. Long as core/allspark can be transferred from shell to shell...wait...
Ngl when Optimus said “arise Rodimus prime” I had the legit chills up my back.
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Optimus dying is about as predictable as a Christmas commercial in November
Now yes. Back in 1986 it was a shock.
Mack Driver only reason why prime died? is sell more toys
It was a shock. Don't lie. Nobody was prepared for that travesty.
He's the Sean Bean of robots.
Look up the show Sharp.
You won’t find a single episode where Sean dies.
I was depressed for months after the movie, I adored Optimus and I was a girl. I was just devestated. I am so glad he came back for the US audience for good, although I understood that there was more made for the Japanese audience where he would shortly die again. I use the US version as the final last episode of Transformers where Optimus takes his rightful place in command again driving his Autobots off into the sunset.
Well the Rebirth still exists and Optimus was present for that with Headmasters and Targetmasters. Also, if you count Season 5's puppet's stories, He became a Powermaster at some point.
Powermaster Prime was actually a guy named Ginrai
Zan Jayna not in American continuity. The reason why the Japanese had make PM Prime a different character is because they killed Prime AGAIN in the 3rd episode of Headmasters and Masterforce was meant to be a soft reboot.
Ahhh so the other death in G2 during the fight with Galvatron... Hasbro only released it to the Japanese market/Audience??? There is a video titled 'Optimus 3rd death' on youtube and is dubbed in Japanese... so that would be why???
And then the Beast Era hit and no one has any idea where the hell he went. Some sources say he was last seen in deep stasis, others that he died, more still that he's in a quasi-reality of pure madness, and a final one stating he's a space explorer. The amount of splinter timelines don't make things easier.
I recently rewatched the movie after having not seen it in probably 10-ish years.
Honestly seeing him die hurt more now than it did seeing it for the first time 20 years ago.
it's also very likely the animation issues you mention were attributed to the proximity of the people working on them to their respective lunch breaks and bathroom breaks
How was optimus able to be revived? THE POWER OF COMMERCE COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF COMMERCE COMPELS YOU!!!
Optimus probably did a Stasis lock, as you said. But in some cases, as proven in newer continuities, and comics, some forms of Stasis lock were shown to “repair” the injured bot. My guess? He drew raw materials to himself, before entering stasis. The materials interacted with his remaining spark energy, and thus repaired the exterior. Just a thought.
Edit: Thanks for the like, Rodimus!
My god Optimus prime has died and been resurrected so many times he has such a high death count
I know, crazy right? It's almost like him dying is more of a staple than him being in the show.
Zacimus Prime. Optimus prime getting keeps bad case of death
Zacimus Prime Transformers Prime was excellent for the reason the show ended with him dying.
Zacimus Prime HE'S ROBOT JESUS!!👍🏻
TRANSFORMERS PRIME FACT: Prime DID die at the beginning of season 3 but was brought back to life when smokescreen used the Forge of Solus Prime🤓
Optimus prime is a icon no matter the cost .
i was a little older when the movie was in theaters,but i still get chocked up when he dies.
It's certainly a sad moment. I've seen the movie so many times and I still get excited when Hot Rod takes the Matrix from Galvatron!
It’s nice that Peter Cullen took advice from his brother , Larry Cullen , when Peter Cullen was getting ready to voice Optimus Prime. Then Lorenzo Di Bonaventura had to ruin Optimus Prime’s character.
Now he's fixed thanks to knight
ConZ Yup!
"Jarring" is a great way to describe the animation error. Love the idea of Matrix reviving him and then he goes into stasis lock. Adding to that, in my mind, Prime's ship wasn't completely destroyed by the Quintesson detonator, his ship had a repair system on it (similar to the Ark in the pilot of the G1 cartoon), and that's the system that repaired him before Jessica and Gregory found him. The stars going nova was a completely different explosion than the Quintesson detonator.
Nice theory.🤔
“But is this really the end of Optimus Prime? Find out in tommorow’s exciting episode ‘the return of Optimus Prime’” Gee I wonder if he’s alive
When Optimus died it hit me like a ton of bricks. He was an incredibly strong character with Peter Cullen's voice that transcended normal Saturday morning cartoons.
7:56 is what nightmares are made of lol
I remember when me and my friends went to see this in the movie theater. When we got up to the box office we tried the whisper that we wanted tickets for the Transformers movie because of our age we were in our late teens and early 20s cuz back then it wasn't common for adults to go see a cartoon without any kids and it was the first time I heard the word "damn" in a cartoon. Or any curse words for that matter.
YOU GOT THE TOUCH! YOU GOT THE POWEEEEEER! That song was stuck in my head last night
As a kid growing up in 07 when I was first introduced to TF and fell in love with the g1 original series and rewatching the return of prime multiple times was such a great nostalgia breakdown
The Return of Optimus Prime part 1 and 2 are totally memorable but imo the makers of the series miss the opportunity to give Optimus Prime a new look and some tweaks like Megatron being reborn as Galvatron.
Congrats onto getting onto internet comment etiquette my man.
This is probably my favorite video of all time! No joke. I remember being sooooo confused as a kid by the Zombie Prime and Return of Prime storylines and their continuity issues. Thanks for clearing this up!
The zombie optimus episode was so scary
I remembered that the 1st time I watched Dark Awakening as a kid, I was Traumatized seeing Prime's left eye like that. And at the same time, he went suicide/sacrificed mission when the spaceship that he was in exploded. The moment his image shows in space REALLY MADE ME CRY IN PAIN MORE THAN HOW KIDS CRIED WHEN OPTIMUS DIED IN THE MOVIE.
This episode must be rated PG
Allways loved Dark Awakening, and considered it the best episode(s) of the series. Probably helped that I was a teen at the time.
The power of little kids tears.
There are so many reasons on how a hero comes back. One of them is that the hero is a major fan-favorite.
I had the hate plague on copied VHS from the TV back when I was fumbling with tape cassettes and spectrum computer systems. Long time ago but I'll never forget it and the soundtracks stay with you forever!
I think your idea about the matrix reviving his mind was a good idea. Earlier, I thought of Perceptor installing shield in the ship which was not activated successfully until shortly before the ship crashed into the detinator. The shield would have protect the ship and Prime from further damage. After that the ship's automatic repair system tried to repair everything and even put Prime's arm back on and made his outer area look good as new. However, it was unable to properly work on his inner system, which required careful work. In doing all that the ship used up much of its' energy and was unable to do anything else on it's own.
This movie changed my life, the most moving ever lasting movie of all time. I cried and became a man the day I saw optimus prime die. His spirit is forever!!!
The death in the 86 movie STILL gets me flooding tears. His armada death hurts me personally the most😭💔
I remember being happy when Optimus Prime returned in Dark Awakening. But the joy was short lived when prime turned on his fellow troops. A very disturbing episode.
I've wondered the same thing about the Return of Optimus Prime. During his kamikaze run at the end of Dark Awakening, we see the ship and Optimus at the helm taking flak from the Quintesson base before colliding with it in a humongous explosion. No other ship has a chance to intervene and there are presumably no survivors.
In the first part of the Return, we see the human exploration vessel encounter an intact ship that wasn't on a collision course with an asteroid or whatever and wasn't under enemy fire and with an intact Optimus Prime at the helm. They rescue him before the star goes nova destroying the ship.
Animation errors notwithstanding, how to reconcile the discontinuity?
Suspension of disbelief, like with Optimus's (magically disappearing) trailer or other logical inconsistencies, has been as much a mainstay of what is basically a glorified toy commercial since its inception.
In reconcile it like this, the G1 cartoon is canon regarding how they look and sound, the comic is canon for the lore and story. 😊
Im 46 years old, and this STILL breaks my heart.
44 here. I feel ya.
You know the moment you mentioned in the video about how Prime's spark transferred back into his body while he had the matrix, I was like. Yeah and then he went into stasis lock I was like. "Okay, yeah that actually makes sense and I can believe." So kudos on a thought-out if in the end a fairly simple solution to a continuity error.
While I'm more of a Rodimus Prime fan, the movie has Optimus say
'Do not grieve, for soon I will be one with the Matrix.'
So I'll say that your theory is solid.
Also, Zombie Optimus I thought was both terrifying and awesome.
I was one of the crying kids! I was 9!!!! I lived for that show and Optimus was my hero!!! I still get tears when I watch the movie at 43. Loved the g one series still. Your theory makes total sense my friend!! I really like you content and I am a harsh critic.
I’m 44 years old. I remember crying during the movie and during the zombie episode
LiquidWaxStudio same here. The music during his death scene was also a factor.
LiquidWaxStudio
LOL
I am 44 also and the death of prime was hard to take.
@@aaronryherd6607 Same here. I remember hearing stories of kids hiding in closets after the movie and the "Zombotimus" episodes. I also remember hearing that some kids wanted to take Hasbro to court for the murder of Optimus Prime.
Story Arc: he was the hero we needed to return
Reality: he is a machine that can be rebuilt
Man, the part where zombified Optimus gave the Matrix to Hot Rod to become Rodimus Prime is like a Father say goodbye to his son...
Maybe Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime is Optimus Prime's secret son...
He is in a fanfic titled Web of the Spider by Frog1. He’s Optimus Prime and Elita-One’s son. Optimus doesn’t return in that story but someone else does.
@@ChibiProwl ELITA-ONE!! :)
@@lynnerose7891 nope. Prowl. Elita goes crazy in that story.
So where’s...Errrrriiiiiiikkkkk!!???!!??
My guess is the "matrix effect' it cured zombie Prime's madness, but even after it was removed the energy kept going fixing his body despite being "deceased"
I think that the power of the matrix was partially absorbed into his body, and over time it healed it. If it can bring things to life, it can probably repair them too.
What a wonderful break down and truly remarkable theory craft. Also, the scene where Optimus Prime dies gets me emotional 'til this very day. The music and directing of that scene sticks with me still.
Optimus really was a robot Jesus
No i think he was a God.
DEATHSTROKE nowhere near to Jesus
grimlock plays games sorry bro, both fictional. No ‘one’ is greater than the other
DEATHSTROKE jk
eeiko321 that’s Primus
Wow once again you have out done your self giving a good reason for a question thats tuff to think about without the acurance of animation errors.
Amazing as always.
Thanks!
Wow mind stored on a floppy disk 😂😂
Has have been Double Density. Hope they flipped the write protect tab.
😂 that mortal kombat laugh👌🏾
My 5 year old daughter loves transformers and especially Prime, just as I did when I was growing up. So much so I tracked down a g1 in box prime for us to share. We have watched every episode on dvd over a number of months up to the movie. She was hyped to see it and I was hyped to watch it with her. We started watching it. We got to the part where he dies. My daughter turns to me after the scene has finished. With tears rolling down her face she says. "Dad, I don't want to watch this anymore". I stop the movie. I ask if she's ok. She's sobbing and lunges at me for a cuddle. I cuddle her. I cry. We cuddle and cry with each other. Her heart is broken and mine aches for her loss. I'm 41 years old. It makes me happy to share something I love from my childhood with my daughter.
The death of Optimus and its subsequent reaction caused the studio to change the ending of G.I. Joe: Duke's alive!
Meanwhile, I don't think kids had the same emotional investment in Duke Hauser as they had in Optimus Prime.
Yes kids only liked shipwrecks bird
Or Serpentor, Baroness, Lady Jaye, Scarlett, Stormshadow, Snake Eyes...whodafuq liked Duke!?
Not only that, but the box-office failure of both *Transformers* and *My Little Pony* convinced Hasbro/Marvel/Sunbow to air *GI Joe the Movie* on television instead of the big screen.
Duke was my dude. When I saw him get stabbed, my heart ached. I thought he died!
@@DragoonMS Quickkick and Flint!
Optimus prime was the best ever I remember watching him as a kid. Every body loved prime he was Nobel selfless brave .long live the original optimus prime .
If somebody asked me who I looked up to as a kid Optimus Prime would be mentioned.
Chewy98TA YES
I remember watching this as a kid and being somewhat freaked out... Okay that's putting it mildly. 😳😲🤪😱😵
I remember the series was on ch 9 at 4PM rite before gi joe at 430pm after school hours optimus prime he's my favourite transferformer the leader a the autobots against the evil decepticons good memories in the 80s my favourite cartoon a all tyme.
I hate how they are trying to make Bumblebee the new central character of the franchise. I would be okay with Hot Rod because he's worthy of the Matrix, Magnus too, he's awesome but not quite a supreme commander yet. Even Primal (Beast Wars) and Smokescreen (in the aligned continuity) for similar reasons. But Bee? He's just popular, not Prime material.
I agree. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Bumblebee rising up, but not as leader. I wish they'd bring Rodimus into more animated appearances.
What if the new writers see bumblebee as the new hot rod? They might bring in "bumbleness prime" at some point.
timemadscientist Greatscot! lol Bumbleness Prime
Dávid Pap Iron Hide is more worthy if he were live :/
hes coolest amd strongest Atubot!!
No love for Jazz? He was originally supposed to be second in command.
No I’m not talking about you BumbleBee...” I lost it 😂
I remember when he died in the movie, I thought it was the end of Transformers for good. It was heartbreaking. Big gamble there by the creators to kill off one of it's major characters.
I think his return was rushed due to the negative feedback and therefore, the red herring in the animation.
There was also a narration in the movie that said "The greatest Transfomer of all, Optimus Prime will return". I wonder if that was in the original cut or if that got added later due to the negative response and us kids being upset.
That said, I actually liked Rodimus Prime and felt he was a good character. Optimus being killed off hurt, but I warmed to Rodimus and thought he was cool. I feel it's kind of a shame he never really was given a chance by fans.
I take it you are in the UK since the line about Optimus Prime was not in the original cut that we got here in the US. I too think Rodimus Prime was a good character too. In fact he's my favorite.
The best version of transformers ever.
I can't believe I just watched 15 minutes of somebody explaining Transformers. Why God
This is good, I was young and remember some of the storylines. I never read the comics either. So watching this gives a full circle for me. Thanks!
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It’s about time this video got 1 million views
Indeed. Now to get the rest of my videos up in views.
Goosebumps at hearing Prime speak to Rodimus.
because... HE'S GOT THE TOUCH ! HE'S GOT THE POOOOOOOOWER!
This was the same theory I always had with Optimus’ spark transferring to his laser core.
That part of him would probably have had to be repaired by the Quintessons to even get a functioning zombie.
I still want to know why Rodimus always shrunk back to Hot Rod without the Matrix, but Optimus never reverts to Orion Pax.
8:50 is the stuff of nightmares. good lord
LUNITIC WILL lmao!
I imagine for the little ones it was.
LUNITIC WILL I've never hated the Quintessons more than I did in "Dark Awakening". Completely desecrating Optimus' crypt, turning him into their undead slave and masterminded the destruction of the Autobot masoleaum. I was actually hoping for an episode in which those five-faced freaks piss off Galvatron to the point where he goes absolutely insane with rage and obliterates them.
@@RDSArcade This is yet another reason why space-squid genocide is necessary. Just look at what happened with the Daleks.
Welcome Erik fans to the wonderful world of RodiPrime.
The movie and Optimus’s death always got me, because my mother died around the same time, after I saw it. Two of my heroes gone.
Your explanation is as good as any! Of course, ultimately the underlying answer is, "Because plot." 😁
1986. pivotal year in my life. I remember the death of prime very well. Shocking to say the least to see one of your most favorite characters from your childhood die, not to mention the rest of the original G1 line. Something never seen before in those times. Same could be said about the couple of profane words used in the movie as well..which was also never done before with a popular kids show.. That was why it was quickly pulled from the theaters after been shown only for a short time.. "Dark Awakening " was almost just as cold to see him die once again along with the destruction of the rest of the autobots in that mausoleum..forever removing any hope that they could ever be brought back.. . When they finally brought Prime back in "Return of Optimus Prime part 1 and 2", by then something seemed different and he wasn't the same..But out of it all, I never could understand how they could be perminately killed like that when in the first episode, they were all killed when the autobot "ark" crashed into that volcano and they lay dormant for millions of years until teletran 1 was able to bring them back to life somehow..Nevermind how Optimus was first killed by Megatron when he was just a warehouse dockworker named Orion Packs and brought back to life by Alpha Trion. Its rather disappointing to learn, after all these years, the real reasons they were killed was just so they could discontinue a group of ,then still quite popular, toy line characters just to make room for new batch of characters/ toys. And truth be told, the newer transformer toys really wern't all that great compared to the original first line from 84. Same goes for many other toys at the time as well..The more new characters introduced , for profit reasons, the dumber and more stupid the whole line along with the stories got..until kids just got weary with it and moved on. masters of the universe, GI Joe for example..The later newer cheaper looking characters just could never hold up to the quality and originality original first line. I suspect they knew this which is why you couldn't find any G1 characters after a time. But it was already too late when they ressurected prime back into the series. damage was done already.
M McCain Amen! All true
one shall stand, one shall fall... 24 time's! haha
Amazing that bringing a character back to life as many times as Optimus Prime almost cheapens his deaths.
When I first saw Optimus's revival that way with no damage to his body, I figured he'd somehow survived his suicide run, then fully repaired himself, only to go into stasis lock and drift in space till he was found again.
"You primes sure love sacrificing yourselves"