I forgot to mention this! Why would you choose A Master mod over a basic Power Increase mod? For instance: - Freyna is toxic therefore "Toxic Master" Module would benefit her 0.444 Skill Power Boost Ratio + 0.19 Toxic Boost Ratio which is a total of 63.4% Boost - "Power Increase" would benefit her 0.65 Skill Power Boost Ratio only! So a total of 65% Boost. It would make sense to choose "Power Increase" over "Toxic Master" because of the slight difference right? Well, key this in your calculator. Lets just say Freyna has 1000 skill power from her reactor. If you use Power Increase 1000 * 1.65( 65% Skill Power Boost Ratio) = 1650 If you use Toxic Master 1000 * 1.444( 44.4 % Skill Power Boost Ratio) * 1.19 (Toxic Skill Power Boost Ratio) = 1718.36 Why does this happen? Because Skill Power Boost Ratio is Multiplicative unlike Modifiers which is Additive. Basically, the extra 19% you are boosting with "Toxic Master" is actuallly increasing the *ALREADY INCREASED* value from the previous 44.4% Boost! The 65% Boost you got from "Power Increase" however only boost the BASE VALUE by 65% since there is only one variable/type of boost. Remember! -Lets compare 2 * 5 and 7. -7 is the total of 2 + 5. 10 * 2 * 5 = 100 10 * 7 = 70 This is what it means when numbers are multiplicative! P.S I am aware that currently the 'Specialist" mods are superior compared to these two as the boost that benefits is way higher. I am just making this comment to make sure people dont misunderstand the difference between multiplicative and additive.
True. A counter point - you never mod to use more than two abilities effectively. Even then in most cases there's a "main" ability you're using. So maaaybe in the future there would really be a Descendant that has multi-element abilities, but currently outside not having access to "Focus on X" mod or "X Specialist" - there's no reason to ever use "Master" mods, not the way they're now. Overall, I find TFD modding overly expensive and rigid, forcing you into "locking" yourself in specific builds if you're trying to min/max things and requiring long, tedious re-leveling process (pathetic 30% boosters especially tick me off, knowing that the game inspiring TFD has x2 boosters and free x2 XP/Money/loot weekends). Hopefully it will be rebalanced overtime.
@@pillagius Agreed. Flexibility of builds in the game currently is severely lacking compared to Warframe. All we can do is hope that they amend it over time as even Warframe took a while to find the perfect mix of balance/absurdity of builds.
@@wickedsteezy8311 Don't worry, this is not really relevant in the current state of the game as Master Mods are not really useful compared to Specialist Mods now. Once it becomes more relevant, I will make build videos in the future that will explain this concept even more
I’m new like most and trying to figure all of this out is beyond me haha. Excellent video. Thank you for the step by step explanation. Very well done and thank you.
Wow! Such a great breakdown of the maths for skills and really easy to follow. Thank you very much, this is possibly the most usual TFD video I've watched
I want to congratulate you, because besides your obviously amazing skill with math, you are also extremely skilled at teaching! You managed to make everything sound simple enough for me to grasp the concept! I can't say that I fully understood everything you said, but I now have the knowledge to build my character more efficiently. Thank you so much!! I will follow you now.
I appreciate you! I love the break down. I’ve never tried to min max/theory craft for a game before. TFD is the first game I’m learning to do that with. It’s definitely overwhelming with the amount of information & mechanics the game has. I would love more of these! A tutorial on how to start the process of theory crafting / minmaxing possibly ?!? 🤔 You have my support ! 🎉
Thank you! As for theory crafting / minmaxing videos, there's definitely gonna be some similar videos down the line planned. However I truly believe there are already more qualified youtubers who has already done this. I plan to make videos showing the thought process of how I approach in building descendants where I aim to help you guys understand where to begin with builds rather than being dependent and copying builds off youtube just because its the "best". I think actually learning how to theory craft/min max builds yourself is even more fun and improves the overall experience of the game. I truly believe there is no wrong/right way to build a descendant /gun. It all depends on preference in the end where you would have to find the perfect build that suits you the most.
@@boobben8092 Sorry, whoops that is what I meant. I didn't want to just copy and paste a build without knowing what's going on. It's very rare to find creators that talk about the thought process of making a build and etc. Can't wait for your video ! :) I know ryechew talks about the math bit of it but it's not bite size friendly and i'm still a bit confused.
thank you for taking the time to respond! I definitely focus on my dimension skills power and my non attribute Skill power for extra dmg on all valbs skills 😊and i use supply moisture. I have researched different peoples builds, copied a build for the most part that focuses on skills and dps with supply moisture. Youre right though, i have tweaked it to not be entirely copied the more ive played with her. 🎉very informative video! Thanks again.
Thanks for the video, great explanation. I do feel like im watching a Dora the Explorer episode when you would do the multipliers and muliply it by 0.39 and then add to itself rather than just multiply by 1.39. 😂 then you did that on the next section lol. SWIPER NO SWIPING!
Haha the reason I did that the longer method in the first part is to ensure people understand how the stats add up to each other that's why I took it slow. I wanted to make sure everyone from different levels of math skill understand what is happening with these numbers.
always test it in the lab on enemies, to see the actual effectiveness.., sometimes seemingly lower numbers can do more damage (as modifiers usally sky rocket damage, but the stat numbers won't show it on the skill, while the damage is actually high)
Yep, highly recommend modding while being in the lab and testing it on different enemy types. Hopefully they improve the lab in the future as current version is very lackluster compared to warframe's version of lab
Fantastic video my fellow Descendant! They do a bad job in-game in terms of explaining and introducing you into the actual damage calculation and systems. The better it is for clever people like you - creating great content for the community! :) Appreciate your efforts, you helped me out a ton! 🫡😎
Just in case if somebody testing damage in Albion's lab - there can be slight deviations depending on enemy resistances. With Lightning, Poison and Cold it's easier tho, since you have enemy types at lvl1 vulnerable to them. EXAMPLE. Starting with very basic test: 11060.96 - base skill power, absolutely no other Skill Power bonuses and only modifier is the skill modifier. "Lightning Emission" with "High Voltage" at no Electricity charge (so it adds 0% skill power modifier) has only 250.5% skill power modifier. calculating -> 1106.96*2.505 = 27`707.7048. Practical Test using lvl 40 Bunny, vs lvl 1 Legion of Immortality - 25366, Legion of Darkness - 25310, but vs "weak vs Electricity" enemy (Order of Truth) its 27`707 as it should. OK, so "Weak to X" has no resistance, while others have some from the looks of it. -- Ramping up to "full power": 18759.39*1.081*2.087*1.27=53737.9 (My "proper" reactor skill power multiplied by the multipliers shown in the menu, which are Skill Power, Electric Skill Power and Singular Skill Power respectively). Multiplying result by 2.505 skill power modifier again = 134613.43. Testing: Order of Truth =134641, Legion of Immortality = 122944, Legion of Darkness = 123264... What the?.. So it seems that enemies that are "weak" to an element actually have negative 1-2% resistance to it. -- Same thing happens when I add Skill Power Modifier. at 76.1% Singular Skill Modifier (Which fits Lightning Emission) my modifier goes from 2.505 to 3.266, resulting in 175507 damage but in practice Order of Truth enemy took 175544 damage. That further confirms it. I think...
Ty for the hard work explaining the convoluted layers for this game design , in a very detailed and showcased easy to remember { and screenshot} manner. God Bless 🙏 One of my complaints for this game, is that if you are planning to go for global audience, then why you did not adopt the simplified already made mathematical systems by the top competitors of the scene (or even adopt a clear Final Status UI} that you are clearly trying to out perform in some areas!! It's very infuriating when Devs have or apply the technology inside their product in some areas but not to all areas, I dnno if its rushed , lazy or damn right stupid design ngl!
=Timestamps if Video chapters is not working= 00:00 Intro 01:21 Base Skill Power 03:07 Reactor's Level and Rarity 04:01 Optimization Conditions benefits 07:31 Skill Power Boosts and Archetypes 11:53 Skill Power Module Benefits 16:09 Boosted Skill Power Calculations 20:54 Actual Skill Damage 23:12 Skill Power Modifier Module Benefits 25:02 Skill Power VS Skill Power Modifier 30:27 Outro and thanks
If you go to labs some attribute skill power/or maybe even skill power mods scale way different than others so suggest people to see and watch the dmg you guys do with and without the skill power mods
i seem to get heavily confused and flustered when it comes to the whatever number with the x at the end. To the point where im having trouble at times calculating where the whatever number with the x is even coming from based off of all my mods, regardless of whether or not its a gun or a skill. Im trying for the life of me to get all of these different forms of maths (which im horrible at inherently lol) to make sense to me, regardless of the fact that im copy pasting a lot of my builds.
When we have a mod like focus on dimension & thus its focusing your dimension skills, where does that plug in? I ask because unlike, say .. electric specialist that focuses electric skill power in general , the focus on dimension is a dimension skill power specific modifier. Does that add on to whatever your dim skills particular skill power is? Which is then multiplied by every thing else at the end? Damn, math is confusing. My problem is , i keep second guessing my builds that ive copied from certain youtubers. It takes hours of grinding, so many catalysts, & full commitment to max a build.. then i look at it & question whether i should have chosen to use mods that focus my most used skills. Part of me feels that the mods that focus your achetype as a whole (like electric for bunny), are ultimately more powerful & effective than singling out skill types like dimension/singular etc. Idfk anymore 😂 😅
1. Yeah, dimension skill modules will only effect your dimension focused skills. 2. Whether which is more effective (Full electric or Singling out skills) is entirely up to your playstyle. Remember, you have 3 setttings more mods per descendant. Don't forget to use all of them to experiment with variety of builds in different scenarios.
Simply put, Im terrible at math. I main Valby. Im trying to understand my tick damage over time based off of my skill power modifiers. With valby, most of my skills have non-attribute boost from added mods & dimension skill power boost considering I use her 3rd skill the most. Problem is, to do this skill power increase, there comes a negative skill power modifier. What thats done, overall, is make my skill powers red and less. Essentially, I have a difficult time calculating my continuous tick damage with her. I understand that skill power modifiers are added not multiplied, I guess Im just curious about how decent my damage over time actually is with my setup. (note - Im not only ass at math lol, but FD is my first game like this that Ive played) 😅
I understand, the important thing to learn about games like these is that there is no wrong way to play a character. Anything you build eventually benefits your descendants in a certain way. For you to find out what works best, is to experiment and eventually find what works best for you. For instance, my Esiemo, - When i am solo, I sacrifice power for more defense and focus on trying to survive - In a group, i go full on skill power - When farming, i focus on range Maybe for you, Valby - Burst down enemies, one shot!? Maybe focus on Skill Power but sacrifice skill cost - Want to spread your damage as much as possible and damage over time, Range, duration,modifier. Sacrifice some modifier dmg sure, but make it up by increasing the duration instead. Experiment, and find whats best for you. Don't be afraid to spend your kuiper for most modules as you're going to be using them in the future eventually :)
thanks for the video, this is still confusing for me, I play bunny as main, should I focus more on skill power modifier on her or skill power? I watched your video till the end and you explained it there, since bunny has damage over time, so I guess I should focus more on skill power modifier, currently I am using Maximize Power module on her.
someone on reddit fully tested skill power vs modifier. if u have 100% or more skill power, then skill modifier is good only after that. lower than 100% skill power then modifier is not that great
What you focus on with Bunny is entirely up to your preference, - You wanna focus on Electrocution damage over time? Skill Modifier - You wanna focus on her wave clearing burst? Skill Power Hint: Once you build towards one style with sockets and stuff, eventuallly switching to another build is easier. Thats because the socket module symbols are pretty much similar skill power vs skill modifier. Make use of your presets and settings for descendant modules and go crazy haha!
So, I am not at home to check but what would work best on a gley massacre build? I don’t have the modifier stats on hand so I’m just curious if anyone has any clue. Also great info and a great breakdown of skills! Thanks for the info!
Wish i could help you regarding that but unfortunately RNGesus does not love me when it comes to Gley, 200+ hours in and i still haven't most of her parts yet.
His skills are Burst Oriented, i think Skill Power is the way to go for general play However, I believe his 4th has a continuous damage that can be further buffed by his 2nd skill. Therefore, its also good to invest in some modifier to further increase this continuous damage for Colossus slaying.
This game confuses me - can we calculate weapons stats similarly? Like im becoming a little incertain of what the , for instance, firearm crit hit damage on my gun says 3.026x … what percentage is that? Another example, if were going back to skills , my skill crit hit damage is 1.868x
1. For weapon stats, I am not too sure if you can calculate it similarly. Usually, i just apply modules and check if they increase that specific stats etc. 2. As for the x behind numbers, that usually means its a "floating infinite number'. For instance, 3.026x means it can be 3.0261111111111....and so on. The x just basically means its rounding off the numbers for you showing you what matters only. So 3.026x means its 302.6% rather than writing it is as 302.6183948038...%. Whatever it is, anything classified in x usually is not too significant to affect the number heavily so you do not have to worry about it. The game is just simplifying it for you.
@@x.frail.x Yep, Crit damage is (Your Weapon Damage) * 697.8%. Holy shit what weapon is that? A sniper/Handgun? Then it would make sense why its that much
@brahmhendu Based what most of the community has been testing and saying. - All Skill Power "multiply into each other* - All Skill Power Modifier "Add up to each other" However this is only based off what the community has said through testing of course, I just wish games like these are more clear in explaining how their stats interact with each other.
For Bunny, her 3 ability has base 140% Skill Power Modifier, is it better to use SKill power or Skill power MODIFIER? Valby also 138% Skill Power Modifier on her 3 ability. These are both over 100% but are they considered "WAY" over 100% to warrant NOT using skill power modifier mod?
This requires experimentation, From my experience, skill power maxed mods vs skill power modifier mods maxed on skills like that only make a little difference in the end. I still recommend focusing on Skill Power, nevertheless its also good to have both because eventually you wont have any other mods to put anyways, currently there is not a lot of mods in the game to really make a focused skill power-only build or skill power modifier-only build right now. However, once more mods exist in the future especially in the Skill Power section, then I would suggest replacing those modifier mods with these new mods.
From experimentation I've done so far, because of the mod type limitations best you can get is ("Electric Specialist" + "Singular Specialist" + "Spear and Shield" )for most damage or ("Focus on Electric" + "Focus on Singular" + "Spear and Shield") for slightly less damage but extra 12% cooldown. Ideally, it would be best to stack Skill Power as it gives the most bang for your buck, but most mods that give Skill Power are classified as "Battle" and you can't equip multiple mods of same class. There's Spear and Shield that give fixed 8.1% Skill Power at all mod levels and a few "Ultimate" (gold) mods that give extra Skill Power situationally, like Dangerous Ambush and Walk a Tightrope, but that's again... Situational. Nice to have tho. Now calculation example: Say we take same 76.1% in one case for Skill Power and in other for Skill Power Modifier (kind of like Electric Specialist and Singular Specialist) at relatively average power 15485.34 (rare lvl100 reactor with correct weapon type equipped): - With Skill Power we get 15485.34+(15485.34*0.761)= 27269.6837 that's the the total Skill Power and now 27269.6837*1.487=40550,019 damage where 1.487 is the Lightning Emission base Skill Power Modifier. - Meanwhile with Skill Power Modifier calculation is a bit more modest 15485.34*(1.487+0.761)=34811. Almost 6000 damage loss.
@@Antonin1738 I am seriously confused as to why half of the mods even exist... A lot give trash fixed additional benefits, like the firearm ones that provide fixed 1.5% crit rate boost, or all "Master" mods for "Archetype" elements (as boobben described it) provide 44.9+19 = 63.4% total Skill Power, resulting in overall in overall 17.8% loss in skill power, compared to basic bitch Electric Specialist and even "Power Increase" mod gives you 1.6% more. WTF!?
What i cant understand is the base skill power, if youre adding skill power why doesnt it change the base skill power number in the bottom right if its a boost to base skill power? Its as if every thing is called skill power, but serves in so many differing ways. Also, i was curious - why are the specialist mods superior right now? Is it that the boost of skill power & electric skill power from elec master (for instance) is still not coming out to more than the overall boost of a higher elec boost percentage alone from elec specialist when all calculated?
To answer your 1st Question : I understand why its confusing, its not your fault. It's just the games tooltip lack of information in displaying information like that. Hopefully, they will actually update it accordingly in the future to make it more clear. 2nd Question : Yep, currently specialist mods brings out more of a overall boost compared to a master mod right now, its not significantly huge but its still something. I assume this will change in the future once multiple elemental descendants exist.
There is no actual "Right" way. Whatever module you install on your descendants will always empower them in one way or another. You need to find what do you want: 1. More Burst? = Skill Power focused [ Make sure your descendant has bursty skills of course] 2. More Damage over time? = Power Modifier [ Usually for DOT descendants like Freyna/Valby] HOWEVER, the opposite is still viable and not a "wrong" way to build. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For instance, Freyna's Q has two separate damage occurrence when it hits an enemy : - One on IMPACT [Which is a Burst-type damage since it deals like Skill Power * 200%]. - Then a continuous poison damage AFTER the impact on the same enemy hit , [Skill Power * 10% per second damage per tick] If you focus on SKILL POWER, her Q's IMPACT will HIT HARDER. If you focus on SKILL POWER MODIFIER, her POISON DAMAGE OVER TIME is HIGHER PER SECOND If you're unsure why is this is the case, take a look at 26:19 . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the important question really is, What do you want your descendant to do? Which do you prefer? Nobody (Including me) is dead set right, we are just recommending what is "efficient" but in my opinion, Preference > Efficiency especially when it comes to video games :) Experiment with them, find what's right for you. Hopefully you find what suits you the best.
All have one question what’s wrong with doing both if you have great or if you want it and you have a character like bunny, mentioned or brain that has both kind of damage why not to vote for power and skill modifier in your equation where you put on power to bring it up to 1500 what if you don’t let the skill power on to bring it up to 1500 and then add the skill modifierwouldn’t come out right?
There is no significance really. I just coincidentally picked fire boost first If you think about it 100 * 1.5 *1. 4 = 210 100 * 1.4 *1. 5 = 210 So order does not matter.
Why in the tooltip, it says my dimension skill power of my 3rd skill on valby is 138.5%, but when i add a dimension skill power modifier mod that is supposed to add 68.2% to my dimension skills only, does it not then show that dimension skills skill power as raising from 138.5% to 206.7%? Am i just to assume its doing it behind the scenes for my dimension skills?
Thats a bug on tooltips as well, its the same or all Element/Type specific mods, I dont know why they havent fixed it. But yeah, its doing it behind the scenes
Correct! - Remember to invest into duration/cooldown to ensure you can maximize the time your barrier/orb is up if you are playing around those skills. - If you're using those Transcendent mods (Red ones) then make sure to pay attention to the affected skills. They usually change what kind of stats those skills benefits from.
That depends on your preference and skill archetype For instance lets just say if Blair Q is Fire/Dimension as an example : - Using Fusion focused mods will benefit in terms of numbers higher however will only benefit your Q more compared to your other skills - Using General Skill Power [No elements] willl benefit all skills equally but has less value overall compared to elemental focused modules. So your Q damage is increased, but not as much as one would if you focus on its Fusion Archetype as well At the end of the day, compare how much boost are you getting from all these mods and try with different combinations to check which one is the best for you 1. Do keep in mind then whenever you're focused on the 2nd Archetype [Fusion/Dimension/Singular/Tech...] its only gonna benefit 2 out 4 of your skills greatly compared to the other two. So it usually revolves around builds focusing on specific skills usage 2. Elemental mods on the other hand [Fire/Chill/Toxin/Electric/Non-Attribute] currently function similarly to Skill Power Boost Ratio which is the non elemental boost version with a slight difference in value of how much it increases. P.S : I assume the reason elemental mods boost ratio are very similar to skill boost ratio now is because the current lineup of descendants right now only have one unique element each. I theorize there's gonna be descendants with multiple elements in the future where these mods make a bigger difference in determining which skill to make stronger.
As of right now, with the amounts of mods available eventually you're going to be using both skilll modifier/skill power modules together. Its good to have both, higher heals regardless.
Unfortunately, I havent unlocked her yet. But based on what I am seeing, Gley is a bit special where the dmg originates mostly from her guns since shes able to tap into a state that grants her infinite ammo. -Therefore if youre looking for infinite ammo build, focus on modding up your gun and keeping the duration of your "Frenzied" state with infinite ammo longer -If you are looking for skill damage, only her 2nd/4th skill has some modifier involved with skill power. - 2nd skill benefits more from Skill Power - 4th skill benefits more from Modifier Its up to your experimentation to figure out what works the best you. Gley is quite popular , there are already lots of build videos online available for her already. Take your time and don't try to copy them, but learn why they would choose those modules for her. Unfortunately, I am unable to make any build videos for her right now as my Gley is still currently in a crafting process. Furthermore, I like to take my time making these videos to ensure its the best form of information available for everyone.
I forgot to mention this!
Why would you choose A Master mod over a basic Power Increase mod?
For instance:
- Freyna is toxic therefore "Toxic Master" Module would benefit her 0.444 Skill Power Boost Ratio + 0.19 Toxic Boost Ratio which is a total of 63.4% Boost
- "Power Increase" would benefit her 0.65 Skill Power Boost Ratio only! So a total of 65% Boost.
It would make sense to choose "Power Increase" over "Toxic Master" because of the slight difference right? Well, key this in your calculator.
Lets just say Freyna has 1000 skill power from her reactor.
If you use Power Increase
1000 * 1.65( 65% Skill Power Boost Ratio) = 1650
If you use Toxic Master
1000 * 1.444( 44.4 % Skill Power Boost Ratio) * 1.19 (Toxic Skill Power Boost Ratio) = 1718.36
Why does this happen? Because Skill Power Boost Ratio is Multiplicative unlike Modifiers which is Additive.
Basically, the extra 19% you are boosting with "Toxic Master" is actuallly increasing the *ALREADY INCREASED* value from the previous 44.4% Boost!
The 65% Boost you got from "Power Increase" however only boost the BASE VALUE by 65% since there is only one variable/type of boost.
Remember!
-Lets compare 2 * 5 and 7.
-7 is the total of 2 + 5.
10 * 2 * 5 = 100
10 * 7 = 70
This is what it means when numbers are multiplicative!
P.S I am aware that currently the 'Specialist" mods are superior compared to these two as the boost that benefits is way higher. I am just making this comment to make sure people dont misunderstand the difference between multiplicative and additive.
True.
A counter point - you never mod to use more than two abilities effectively. Even then in most cases there's a "main" ability you're using.
So maaaybe in the future there would really be a Descendant that has multi-element abilities, but currently outside not having access to "Focus on X" mod or "X Specialist" - there's no reason to ever use "Master" mods, not the way they're now.
Overall, I find TFD modding overly expensive and rigid, forcing you into "locking" yourself in specific builds if you're trying to min/max things and requiring long, tedious re-leveling process (pathetic 30% boosters especially tick me off, knowing that the game inspiring TFD has x2 boosters and free x2 XP/Money/loot weekends).
Hopefully it will be rebalanced overtime.
@@pillagius Agreed. Flexibility of builds in the game currently is severely lacking compared to Warframe. All we can do is hope that they amend it over time as even Warframe took a while to find the perfect mix of balance/absurdity of builds.
Now I’m confused with this comment🧐🤔
@@wickedsteezy8311 Don't worry, this is not really relevant in the current state of the game as Master Mods are not really useful compared to Specialist Mods now. Once it becomes more relevant, I will make build videos in the future that will explain this concept even more
@@boobben8092 hey can you do a video about the weapons like secret garden & how it works with the skills?
Best theory crafting content I’ve come across so far for FD. Can’t wait for more videos!
Literally the best video i've seen on this subject.
I’m new like most and trying to figure all of this out is beyond me haha. Excellent video. Thank you for the step by step explanation. Very well done and thank you.
This is the most clearcut and helpful video I have found on this topic. Thank you so much.
The only video I've seen that ACTUALLY made sense🎉
Thank you
this is by far the best explanation on the internet, easy and to the point, THANKS.
Wow! Such a great breakdown of the maths for skills and really easy to follow. Thank you very much, this is possibly the most usual TFD video I've watched
Massively helpful and well delivered. It’s good to know what is happening in the background.
Dope video, strait to the point, easy to understand and love the music, good vibes
FINALLY! Someone who shows the math! Clear and easy to follow. Instant like and sub. Keep it up homie! Thank you!
I want to congratulate you, because besides your obviously amazing skill with math, you are also extremely skilled at teaching! You managed to make everything sound simple enough for me to grasp the concept! I can't say that I fully understood everything you said, but I now have the knowledge to build my character more efficiently. Thank you so much!! I will follow you now.
I appreciate you! I love the break down. I’ve never tried to min max/theory craft for a game before. TFD is the first game I’m learning to do that with. It’s definitely overwhelming with the amount of information & mechanics the game has.
I would love more of these! A tutorial on how to start the process of theory crafting / minmaxing possibly ?!? 🤔
You have my support ! 🎉
Thank you! As for theory crafting / minmaxing videos, there's definitely gonna be some similar videos down the line planned. However I truly believe there are already more qualified youtubers who has already done this.
I plan to make videos showing the thought process of how I approach in building descendants where I aim to help you guys understand where to begin with builds rather than being dependent and copying builds off youtube just because its the "best". I think actually learning how to theory craft/min max builds yourself is even more fun and improves the overall experience of the game.
I truly believe there is no wrong/right way to build a descendant /gun. It all depends on preference in the end where you would have to find the perfect build that suits you the most.
@@boobben8092 Sorry, whoops that is what I meant. I didn't want to just copy and paste a build without knowing what's going on. It's very rare to find creators that talk about the thought process of making a build and etc. Can't wait for your video ! :) I know ryechew talks about the math bit of it but it's not bite size friendly and i'm still a bit confused.
this is a great video man!!! more people need to watch this
Fantastic video and actually correct. Most videos I’ve found have been wrong about the math so thank you. Please make some more videos!!!
Thanks, definitely planning to make more videos soon, just haven't found the time yet due to my job haha.
This was super helpful. You gave me information that I couldn’t find anywhere else!
Great video man, actively trying to choose which increase to go for, for gley skill 4. Gonna check the value of the skill power modifier when I’m home
Great stuff. Learned something valuable so thank you.
That's the best TFD vid I've seen since game release. Thanks and keep it up
This is probably my 5th video in trying to figure this out and thanks to you I finally understand this shit 👍💪
thank you for taking the time to respond! I definitely focus on my dimension skills power and my non attribute
Skill power for extra dmg on all valbs skills 😊and i use supply moisture. I have researched different peoples builds, copied a build for the most part that focuses on skills and dps with supply moisture. Youre right though, i have tweaked it to not be entirely copied the more ive played with her. 🎉very informative video! Thanks again.
Wow, nice vid.. i learned much today👍
Hope you release more videos. You are the first RUclipsr who properly explained this subject. 🥃
First vid that made sense! Great info and presentation thank you
Thank you for this. Didn't realize no Descendant has base Skillpower
Awesome stuff. Great breakdown 👍
A million thanks for explaining this!! ❤❤
A very understandable video. Thank you
Thank you for taking time to do this. I was building Ult Bunny and this part of the game always confused me.
Thanks for the video, great explanation. I do feel like im watching a Dora the Explorer episode when you would do the multipliers and muliply it by 0.39 and then add to itself rather than just multiply by 1.39. 😂 then you did that on the next section lol. SWIPER NO SWIPING!
Haha the reason I did that the longer method in the first part is to ensure people understand how the stats add up to each other that's why I took it slow. I wanted to make sure everyone from different levels of math skill understand what is happening with these numbers.
You are the king, thanks a lot !
Great video man you got a new sub.
Great video, thank you for the breakdown. Easy sub 👍
Thank you very much. It was very helpful.😀
Wow! Huge Thanks bro!
Thank you for this video! Earned a new sub
always test it in the lab on enemies, to see the actual effectiveness.., sometimes seemingly lower numbers can do more damage
(as modifiers usally sky rocket damage, but the stat numbers won't show it on the skill, while the damage is actually high)
Yep, highly recommend modding while being in the lab and testing it on different enemy types. Hopefully they improve the lab in the future as current version is very lackluster compared to warframe's version of lab
Really good job, thanks
Great job 👏
Bless you! 🤲❤️🤗🙏
Good job
Great maths! Thank you.
helpful, thanks
Fantastic video my fellow Descendant!
They do a bad job in-game in terms of explaining and introducing you into the actual damage calculation and systems.
The better it is for clever people like you - creating great content for the community! :)
Appreciate your efforts, you helped me out a ton! 🫡😎
Just in case if somebody testing damage in Albion's lab - there can be slight deviations depending on enemy resistances. With Lightning, Poison and Cold it's easier tho, since you have enemy types at lvl1 vulnerable to them.
EXAMPLE.
Starting with very basic test: 11060.96 - base skill power, absolutely no other Skill Power bonuses and only modifier is the skill modifier.
"Lightning Emission" with "High Voltage" at no Electricity charge (so it adds 0% skill power modifier) has only 250.5% skill power modifier. calculating -> 1106.96*2.505 = 27`707.7048.
Practical Test using lvl 40 Bunny, vs lvl 1 Legion of Immortality - 25366, Legion of Darkness - 25310, but vs "weak vs Electricity" enemy (Order of Truth) its 27`707 as it should.
OK, so "Weak to X" has no resistance, while others have some from the looks of it.
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Ramping up to "full power": 18759.39*1.081*2.087*1.27=53737.9 (My "proper" reactor skill power multiplied by the multipliers shown in the menu, which are Skill Power, Electric Skill Power and Singular Skill Power respectively).
Multiplying result by 2.505 skill power modifier again = 134613.43. Testing: Order of Truth =134641, Legion of Immortality = 122944, Legion of Darkness = 123264... What the?..
So it seems that enemies that are "weak" to an element actually have negative 1-2% resistance to it.
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Same thing happens when I add Skill Power Modifier. at 76.1% Singular Skill Modifier (Which fits Lightning Emission) my modifier goes from 2.505 to 3.266, resulting in 175507 damage but in practice Order of Truth enemy took 175544 damage. That further confirms it. I think...
Ty for the hard work explaining the convoluted layers for this game design , in a very detailed and showcased easy to remember { and screenshot} manner. God Bless 🙏
One of my complaints for this game, is that if you are planning to go for global audience, then why you did not adopt the simplified already made mathematical systems by the top competitors of the scene (or even adopt a clear Final Status UI} that you are clearly trying to out perform in some areas!!
It's very infuriating when Devs have or apply the technology inside their product in some areas but not to all areas, I dnno if its rushed , lazy or damn right stupid design ngl!
Amazing video tysm
yo thank you. awesome vid
=Timestamps if Video chapters is not working=
00:00 Intro
01:21 Base Skill Power
03:07 Reactor's Level and Rarity
04:01 Optimization Conditions benefits
07:31 Skill Power Boosts and Archetypes
11:53 Skill Power Module Benefits
16:09 Boosted Skill Power Calculations
20:54 Actual Skill Damage
23:12 Skill Power Modifier Module Benefits
25:02 Skill Power VS Skill Power Modifier
30:27 Outro and thanks
If you go to labs some attribute skill power/or maybe even skill power mods scale way different than others so suggest people to see and watch the dmg you guys do with and without the skill power mods
Yup! Its always important to experiment in games like these.
Thanks.
Thank you 👌
Gracias!
i seem to get heavily confused and flustered when it comes to the whatever number with the x at the end. To the point where im having trouble at times calculating where the whatever number with the x is even coming from based off of all my mods, regardless of whether or not its a gun or a skill.
Im trying for the life of me to get all of these different forms of maths (which im horrible at inherently lol) to make sense to me, regardless of the fact that im copy pasting a lot of my builds.
Ty
Skill power and skill power modifier is basically crit rate and crit damage
That's one way to put it yeah
When we have a mod like focus on dimension & thus its focusing your dimension skills, where does that plug in? I ask because unlike, say .. electric specialist that focuses electric skill power in general , the focus on dimension is a dimension skill power specific modifier. Does that add on to whatever your dim skills particular skill power is? Which is then multiplied by every thing else at the end? Damn, math is confusing.
My problem is , i keep second guessing my builds that ive copied from certain youtubers. It takes hours of grinding, so many catalysts, & full commitment to max a build.. then i look at it & question whether i should have chosen to use mods that focus my most used skills. Part of me feels that the mods that focus your achetype as a whole (like electric for bunny), are ultimately more powerful & effective than singling out skill types like dimension/singular etc.
Idfk anymore 😂 😅
1. Yeah, dimension skill modules will only effect your dimension focused skills.
2. Whether which is more effective (Full electric or Singling out skills) is entirely up to your playstyle. Remember, you have 3 setttings more mods per descendant. Don't forget to use all of them to experiment with variety of builds in different scenarios.
Simply put, Im terrible at math. I main Valby. Im trying to understand my tick damage over time based off of my skill power modifiers. With valby, most of my skills have non-attribute boost from added mods & dimension skill power boost considering I use her 3rd skill the most. Problem is, to do this skill power increase, there comes a negative skill power modifier. What thats done, overall, is make my skill powers red and less.
Essentially, I have a difficult time calculating my continuous tick damage with her. I understand that skill power modifiers are added not multiplied, I guess Im just curious about how decent my damage over time actually is with my setup. (note - Im not only ass at math lol, but FD is my first game like this that Ive played) 😅
I understand, the important thing to learn about games like these is that there is no wrong way to play a character.
Anything you build eventually benefits your descendants in a certain way. For you to find out what works best, is to experiment and eventually find what works best for you.
For instance, my Esiemo,
- When i am solo, I sacrifice power for more defense and focus on trying to survive
- In a group, i go full on skill power
- When farming, i focus on range
Maybe for you, Valby
- Burst down enemies, one shot!? Maybe focus on Skill Power but sacrifice skill cost
- Want to spread your damage as much as possible and damage over time, Range, duration,modifier. Sacrifice some modifier dmg sure, but make it up by increasing the duration instead.
Experiment, and find whats best for you. Don't be afraid to spend your kuiper for most modules as you're going to be using them in the future eventually :)
that was awesome
Based skill power boost ratio does not give a shit 😂
thanks for the video, this is still confusing for me, I play bunny as main, should I focus more on skill power modifier on her or skill power? I watched your video till the end and you explained it there, since bunny has damage over time, so I guess I should focus more on skill power modifier, currently I am using Maximize Power module on her.
someone on reddit fully tested skill power vs modifier. if u have 100% or more skill power, then skill modifier is good only after that. lower than 100% skill power then modifier is not that great
@@fyte4luv23 how will I know if I have 100% skill power on my bunny?
What you focus on with Bunny is entirely up to your preference,
- You wanna focus on Electrocution damage over time? Skill Modifier
- You wanna focus on her wave clearing burst? Skill Power
Hint: Once you build towards one style with sockets and stuff, eventuallly switching to another build is easier. Thats because the socket module symbols are pretty much similar skill power vs skill modifier. Make use of your presets and settings for descendant modules and go crazy haha!
So, I am not at home to check but what would work best on a gley massacre build? I don’t have the modifier stats on hand so I’m just curious if anyone has any clue. Also great info and a great breakdown of skills! Thanks for the info!
Wish i could help you regarding that but unfortunately RNGesus does not love me when it comes to Gley, 200+ hours in and i still haven't most of her parts yet.
I wonder if it would be better to go for Skill Power Modifiers for Lepic instead of Power since he's a damage dealer.
His skills are Burst Oriented, i think Skill Power is the way to go for general play
However, I believe his 4th has a continuous damage that can be further buffed by his 2nd skill. Therefore, its also good to invest in some modifier to further increase this continuous damage for Colossus slaying.
@@boobben8092 Ah, good idea! Thanks!
If someone can make this into an app that would be amazing. I would if i could figure out how to make one. 😅
This game confuses me - can we calculate weapons stats similarly? Like im becoming a little incertain of what the , for instance, firearm crit hit damage on my gun says 3.026x … what percentage is that? Another example, if were going back to skills , my skill crit hit damage is 1.868x
1. For weapon stats, I am not too sure if you can calculate it similarly. Usually, i just apply modules and check if they increase that specific stats etc.
2. As for the x behind numbers, that usually means its a "floating infinite number'. For instance, 3.026x means it can be 3.0261111111111....and so on. The x just basically means its rounding off the numbers for you showing you what matters only. So 3.026x means its 302.6% rather than writing it is as 302.6183948038...%. Whatever it is, anything classified in x usually is not too significant to affect the number heavily so you do not have to worry about it. The game is just simplifying it for you.
sheesh, so if my firearm crit hit damage is 6.978x , thats actually 697.8% ?
Well obviously, its not increased by that much , its a multiplier but sheesh.
@@x.frail.x Yep, Crit damage is
(Your Weapon Damage) * 697.8%. Holy shit what weapon is that? A sniper/Handgun? Then it would make sense why its that much
I dont think it is Power *a*b*c. Instead it will be Power*(a+b+c) Makes big difference
@brahmhendu Based what most of the community has been testing and saying.
- All Skill Power "multiply into each other*
- All Skill Power Modifier "Add up to each other"
However this is only based off what the community has said through testing of course, I just wish games like these are more clear in explaining how their stats interact with each other.
For Bunny, her 3 ability has base 140% Skill Power Modifier, is it better to use SKill power or Skill power MODIFIER?
Valby also 138% Skill Power Modifier on her 3 ability. These are both over 100% but are they considered "WAY" over 100% to warrant NOT using skill power modifier mod?
This requires experimentation,
From my experience, skill power maxed mods vs skill power modifier mods maxed on skills like that only make a little difference in the end.
I still recommend focusing on Skill Power, nevertheless its also good to have both because eventually you wont have any other mods to put anyways, currently there is not a lot of mods in the game to really make a focused skill power-only build or skill power modifier-only build right now.
However, once more mods exist in the future especially in the Skill Power section, then I would suggest replacing those modifier mods with these new mods.
Thank you!
From experimentation I've done so far, because of the mod type limitations best you can get is ("Electric Specialist" + "Singular Specialist" + "Spear and Shield" )for most damage or ("Focus on Electric" + "Focus on Singular" + "Spear and Shield") for slightly less damage but extra 12% cooldown.
Ideally, it would be best to stack Skill Power as it gives the most bang for your buck, but most mods that give Skill Power are classified as "Battle" and you can't equip multiple mods of same class. There's Spear and Shield that give fixed 8.1% Skill Power at all mod levels and a few "Ultimate" (gold) mods that give extra Skill Power situationally, like Dangerous Ambush and Walk a Tightrope, but that's again... Situational. Nice to have tho.
Now calculation example:
Say we take same 76.1% in one case for Skill Power and in other for Skill Power Modifier (kind of like Electric Specialist and Singular Specialist) at relatively average power 15485.34 (rare lvl100 reactor with correct weapon type equipped):
- With Skill Power we get 15485.34+(15485.34*0.761)= 27269.6837 that's the the total Skill Power and now 27269.6837*1.487=40550,019 damage where 1.487 is the Lightning Emission base Skill Power Modifier.
- Meanwhile with Skill Power Modifier calculation is a bit more modest 15485.34*(1.487+0.761)=34811. Almost 6000 damage loss.
@@pillagius Thanks dude, appreciate the testing. I also wanted to test Electric Master but I haven't gotten it to drop
@@Antonin1738 I am seriously confused as to why half of the mods even exist...
A lot give trash fixed additional benefits, like the firearm ones that provide fixed 1.5% crit rate boost, or all "Master" mods for "Archetype" elements (as boobben described it) provide 44.9+19 = 63.4% total Skill Power, resulting in overall in overall 17.8% loss in skill power, compared to basic bitch Electric Specialist and even "Power Increase" mod gives you 1.6% more. WTF!?
What i cant understand is the base skill power, if youre adding skill power why doesnt it change the base skill power number in the bottom right if its a boost to base skill power? Its as if every thing is called skill power, but serves in so many differing ways.
Also, i was curious - why are the specialist mods superior right now? Is it that the boost of skill power & electric skill power from elec master (for instance) is still not coming out to more than the overall boost of a higher elec boost percentage alone from elec specialist when all calculated?
To answer your
1st Question : I understand why its confusing, its not your fault. It's just the games tooltip lack of information in displaying information like that. Hopefully, they will actually update it accordingly in the future to make it more clear.
2nd Question : Yep, currently specialist mods brings out more of a overall boost compared to a master mod right now, its not significantly huge but its still something. I assume this will change in the future once multiple elemental descendants exist.
Thank you so much for reaching back. At least its not just me 😂😅
Im lost with the module part of what i shpuld have, one says one thing and one says another so no clue here tbh.. i give up!!
There is no actual "Right" way.
Whatever module you install on your descendants will always empower them in one way or another.
You need to find what do you want:
1. More Burst? = Skill Power focused [ Make sure your descendant has bursty skills of course]
2. More Damage over time? = Power Modifier [ Usually for DOT descendants like Freyna/Valby]
HOWEVER, the opposite is still viable and not a "wrong" way to build.
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For instance, Freyna's Q has two separate damage occurrence when it hits an enemy :
- One on IMPACT [Which is a Burst-type damage since it deals like Skill Power * 200%].
- Then a continuous poison damage AFTER the impact on the same enemy hit , [Skill Power * 10% per second damage per tick]
If you focus on SKILL POWER, her Q's IMPACT will HIT HARDER.
If you focus on SKILL POWER MODIFIER, her POISON DAMAGE OVER TIME is HIGHER PER SECOND
If you're unsure why is this is the case, take a look at 26:19 .
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So the important question really is, What do you want your descendant to do? Which do you prefer?
Nobody (Including me) is dead set right, we are just recommending what is "efficient" but in my opinion, Preference > Efficiency especially when it comes to video games :)
Experiment with them, find what's right for you. Hopefully you find what suits you the best.
@@boobben8092can u suggest bunny lightning emission , is skill power good for her ?
@@Retrospxa Lightning emission build I would recommend, focusing on range and duration and skill power.
@@boobben8092 ok thanks man
All have one question what’s wrong with doing both if you have great or if you want it and you have a character like bunny, mentioned or brain that has both kind of damage why not to vote for power and skill modifier in your equation where you put on power to bring it up to 1500 what if you don’t let the skill power on to bring it up to 1500 and then add the skill modifierwouldn’t come out right?
Why did you calculate the fire % boost first? Is there significance to the order you did things?
There is no significance really. I just coincidentally picked fire boost first
If you think about it
100 * 1.5 *1. 4 = 210
100 * 1.4 *1. 5 = 210
So order does not matter.
@@boobben8092amazing. If I’d actually bothered to sit there and do the maths for 45 seconds I wouldn’t have needed to ask
Why in the tooltip, it says my dimension skill power of my 3rd skill on valby is 138.5%, but when i add a dimension skill power modifier mod that is supposed to add 68.2% to my dimension skills only, does it not then show that dimension skills skill power as raising from 138.5% to 206.7%? Am i just to assume its doing it behind the scenes for my dimension skills?
Thats a bug on tooltips as well, its the same or all Element/Type specific mods, I dont know why they havent fixed it. But yeah, its doing it behind the scenes
So skill power would be better on Ajax instead of skill power modifier, correct?
Correct!
- Remember to invest into duration/cooldown to ensure you can maximize the time your barrier/orb is up if you are playing around those skills.
- If you're using those Transcendent mods (Red ones) then make sure to pay attention to the affected skills. They usually change what kind of stats those skills benefits from.
Comment XD
My question is does element/type mods matter. Like on blair, do i want fire skill damage or dimension??
That depends on your preference and skill archetype
For instance lets just say if Blair Q is Fire/Dimension as an example :
- Using Fusion focused mods will benefit in terms of numbers higher however will only benefit your Q more compared to your other skills
- Using General Skill Power [No elements] willl benefit all skills equally but has less value overall compared to elemental focused modules. So your Q damage is increased, but not as much as one would if you focus on its Fusion Archetype as well
At the end of the day, compare how much boost are you getting from all these mods and try with different combinations to check which one is the best for you
1. Do keep in mind then whenever you're focused on the 2nd Archetype [Fusion/Dimension/Singular/Tech...] its only gonna benefit 2 out 4 of your skills greatly compared to the other two. So it usually revolves around builds focusing on specific skills usage
2. Elemental mods on the other hand [Fire/Chill/Toxin/Electric/Non-Attribute] currently function similarly to Skill Power Boost Ratio which is the non elemental boost version with a slight difference in value of how much it increases.
P.S : I assume the reason elemental mods boost ratio are very similar to skill boost ratio now is because the current lineup of descendants right now only have one unique element each. I theorize there's gonna be descendants with multiple elements in the future where these mods make a bigger difference in determining which skill to make stronger.
@@boobben8092 great thank you I'll just test base mods in the lab before I spend kuiper
What happens if the the number is exactly 100% lol. I'm not trying to be troll but almost all kills that yujin has says skill power x 100%
they are equivalent at 100%
As of right now, with the amounts of mods available eventually you're going to be using both skilll modifier/skill power modules together. Its good to have both, higher heals regardless.
What about with glee I’m stuck ion her
Unfortunately, I havent unlocked her yet. But based on what I am seeing, Gley is a bit special where the dmg originates mostly from her guns since shes able to tap into a state that grants her infinite ammo.
-Therefore if youre looking for infinite ammo build, focus on modding up your gun and keeping the duration of your "Frenzied" state with infinite ammo longer
-If you are looking for skill damage, only her 2nd/4th skill has some modifier involved with skill power.
- 2nd skill benefits more from Skill Power
- 4th skill benefits more from Modifier
Its up to your experimentation to figure out what works the best you. Gley is quite popular , there are already lots of build videos online available for her already. Take your time and don't try to copy them, but learn why they would choose those modules for her.
Unfortunately, I am unable to make any build videos for her right now as my Gley is still currently in a crafting process. Furthermore, I like to take my time making these videos to ensure its the best form of information available for everyone.