I’m passionate about helping the 4wd community and I'm developing an online course so i can help as many people as I can to get out there and wheel well on their 4x4 adventures. To register your interest and for free and exclusive training videos visit madmatt4wd.com.au/register. Here is my REACTS videos playlist - its purpose is for us all learning from other people's 4x4 drives. - ruclips.net/p/PLxCUUqtm329plBAWaZBTGQolmUBJnXMDU
A rollover around water is extra scary. Thank goodness that water wasn’t deeper because there’s hardly any room to open doors and that could have got fatal fast!
ill ,tell ya what he did wrong.... didnt watch vids before he left,, didnt join a 4x4 club,registerd.. with trainers.. didnt accelerate at the bottom,, went too fast. plus, small wheels, too much high weight. no experience..cow bays..plus,,its amazing the council doesnt fill it in once in a while,,they,ll wait till somebody dies, then ban all of it..@@MadMatt4WD
@@MadMatt4WD this sht happens here in aus,, cos we have fkt up,stoopid laws.. no other fkn reason.. come see me,,ill give you a brain bash, on what,,4x4 laws should be.. not,,15mm tyres,2'' lift.. total bs..
Where possible, I've always thought a "catch line" in the form of an extension strap hooked up to the front of a second vehicle is the best way to tackle these kind if scenarios. Both vehicles move forward at the same time to maintain enough slack to not intefere with the solo drive but not so much the vehicle can end over end. If there's a good chance I'm about to perform a recovery, I like to get my recovery gear out & put it off to the side of the obstacle before I tackle it. Saves time & any hassle you might have accessing it later.
I have definitely considered a "catch line" as well in similar situations. Better to have a close call, with no damage/injuries, than a roll over. Also can save time, which may be a big thing in the overall trip. Getting the recovery gear out and set to the side is a good idea I had not considered (I certainly will now). I have put some effort into making sure I can access my gear in as many situations as possible (blocked doors, roll over, ect), but getting it out ahead of time would make sense if there is a high probability of needing it. Great idea.
Thanks Matt. No issues with your critique. I cringed every time I saw all of the extra people standing around. And no way I would have tried to start that truck. They did a good job of recovery. Always good to keep in mind that you may not be able to get to YOUR recovery gear so as a group you need to make sure its spread out between everyone. Final thought: Although I know 4 wheeling is fun and challenging, there is no way I would have taken my rig into that hole if I could just drive around.
@@peterbarber7613 Correct. Pull the plugs, try moving the engine by 'hand'. If it isn't stuck crank it a couple of times with the plugs out. Check oil levels (engine, tranny, power steering) and coolant. Most likely the engine will run!
Glad Matt is quick to unpack these videos , education is important with the growing community. We all want the flash tents and 12v but we NEED skill and knowledge more so
No one wants to see a 4x4 on its lid. I almost cried when I saw it. I hope the old girl is ok and lucky no one was injured. Great content Matt. Keep up the great work 👏👏👏
Great Video. Sit back and plan the recovery is the best advice. I had a roll over the other weekend in my 80. We took over 1/2 an hour to plan the recovery. We also took stock and reassessed at different stages of the recovery so we did not do any more damage to the vehicle. We also moved all people and vehicles to directly involved away and had one person calling the shots. Once the vehicle was on its wheels(vehicle was only on its side) we disconnected the fuel stop solenoid and cracked all the injectors and turned the engine over with the key. Car started and we drove home with only a wrecked front guard and a slight dent in the rear quarter. No broken glass. Even the wing mirror survived.
I knew you'd unpack this one very well Matt. The comment about key board worriers is so true, there was plenty in the other videos most you could tell by people who didn't have a clue. I have to agree about taking your time & there is nothing worse than someone in your ear when you are trying to do the best you can in bad circumstances.
Matt, your comments about the safe zones are generally correct, particularly if we are talking about synthetic with ropes. In the vid it seems to be red (if my old eyes are correct) so it probably is synthetic. The difference is the density of the rope, Steel Wire Rope is far heavier for the same size and rating. SWR is also a bit more elastic (stretchier) so it holds a LOT of energy AND inertia. When it lets go, whether that’s the rope itself or a fitting, that inertia means the rope tends to “whip” and can fly out to the sides MUCH more than synthetic rope. This means that the danger zone for SWR is far wider than for synthetic rope. Not that we should become complacent around synthetic rope but we should be far far more vigilant when using SWR. Please include that observation in case people come across the old SWR, there are plenty of them still out there. Great vid though, keep them coming
I have recovered a Few people that were in this situation in Box Cannon here in Arizona One wad about this deep the other Was 20 plus feet deeper same rollover and they had roof rents and to much weight on the back of the pickup
Hi Matt Great video mate I think they could have been a bit safer but I think they did ok. I don't understand why people go down these sections there is no challenge to it and your just risking stuffing up your holiday.
Couldn't agree more. Over all they didn't do too badly but there are a few changes I would have liked to see such as a tree trunk protector or something around the tow bar cross bar and people well away, even the person filming I believe was way too close. As for risking the vehicle, I don't understand why people feel the need to do so, even the weekend warriors taking their rigs out to play in the bush and risking damage. Especially if that is your daily than why risk it?
@@MadMatt4WD And that race car is your time and place plus it doesn't matter if you can't drive it to work tomorrow or if you and the family are on a 2 week holiday because it is a race car not a touring rig.
The biggest issue was the decision to go in there in the first place. You and your race truck are one thing, the vehicle you're driving around in a somewhat remote area is another entirely. I don't think that took them all that long though, look at the shadows the vehicles cast on the ground, they don't noticeably move. Looks like they got onto that pretty quick.
I'm not going to criticize going-in in the first place, because it would be somewhat hypocritical to complain about four wheeling in the fashion that this track requires as someone into four wheeling. Complaints about the build and execution of the drive are valid of one accepts that this is the expected route on this trail.
@@TWX1138Nonsense mate. That's the original drop into palm creek and probably fair to say it's the worst, there are others, the next one along 100m or so to the east is far gentler and a much more sensible option. This is just doing dumb stuff cause the mates or girlfriend are looking. It's just not a sensible thing to do.
Exactly, it's not a day out rock crawling, it's 100s of KM from anywhere. Gunshot has bypasses so think once, think twice, think don't be a hero and use them.
Yeah I agree. Why anyone does this dumb crap is just beyond me really as it serves no purpose other than appealing to others with little common sense. It seems to be coming more of a thing as a lot of 4wd channels have to keep upping the drama to keep appealing to their viewers. Everyone seems to be doing exactly the same things to say that they've done it and, from what I've seen, most camping spots/tracks are as busy as the burbs these days.
You are exactly right, everything you carry on your rig should have a dedicated mount and the rig should be balanced spare tire(s) should be as far back on the rig as possible and as the video goes on I realize that he may have had cargo in the bed that could have slid forward causing a push forward to ultimately causing the rollover
I was shown this earlier in the week, and wow, a fair bit on levered momentum once it passes the highest apex point on it's nose and starts coming back down on it's roof! I'm at 9 minutes four seconds, and once again I'm faced with the question, " Why don't people carry an insertable hitch point with rated shackle ? " They aren't that heavy, they are small and thus easy to stow away, than can be used in both horizontal or vertical positions as per what recovery situation is needed, and it would have been the easy, quick and safer way to use in this situation..... surely even one of the bystanders or other vehicle owners would have one, and could have lent it to him just for the recovery, especially once they saw where he had hooked up that shackle . The only answer I can find is that panic mode was infectious at that point.
Hey madmatt iv seen this clip on Facebook over the past week & they should of had more wight in the tray & put a winch cable on the back of the Ute..then he would of be right to drive out of it .. cheers mate 👍👍👍✌️🤘
01:50 the Inertia doesn't flip the vehicle, Momentum did the job. With some Impulse (mathematically speaking), the driver could've lodged the vehicle, nose first and come to a halt or driven out with some Velocity. Inertia is the idea that an object will continue its current motion until some force causes its speed or direction to change. In this case Momentum is the force that causes its direction to change - it flips due to Momentum. The concept of inertia and momentum are regularly confused because of their similar definitions. Inertia is the resistance offered by a body to the motion whereas momentum is the tendency of a body to continue moving. Momentum, p, is p=mv. Mass and velocity are not correlated unless calculating p. Correlation is a number from minus 1 to plus 1, mathematically speaking. On that scale, zero is perfect correlation. In the case shown, mass exceeds velocity where the correlation is less than zero. Most 4WD incidents occur when mass exceeds velocity at low speeds. Conversely, velocity at a greater scale can kill you no matter your mass. Mass can be derived from Force and Acceleration. If Acceleration is low (this is why we go slow sometimes) then Force is reduced (no broken CVs). Mass = Force ÷ Acceleration. Force is always a function of gravity and time (t) and is best calculated by deriving Impulse (J for Joules) - J=F x t. Impulse is best explained with cricket or tennis and squash. Mass can also be described in Potential Gravity (1/2 mv squared) In cricket/tennis you try to leave the ball for as long as possible on the bat/racquet which is why some shots can look lazy, particularly cricket, but they rocket to the boundary or base line (t is more important than Force). In squash, the ball is smashed as hard as possible (F) with a very low t value. The Impulse in squash is invariably higher given the nature of the squash ball. Velocity (as opposed to speed, which is agnostic with regard to gravity and direction) and time, combined, are the first principle for 4WD driving. Velocity is angular which is why downhill, uphill or tipping into a creek needs an understanding of what is to be achieved - time in the saddle and practice, practice, practice.
Fair call Matt on the dynamics of the incident and your call on the recovery too. Given the angle of the recovery pull, there would have been enormous pressure on everything right at the very beginning of the pull and that, in my estimation, was the most dangerous time - people should have been well clear during that hand grenade moment - if the driver of the recovery vehicle needed to be there, I hope he/she would have been laying really effen low in the cab.
Awesome video - lots to learn here and love the neutral approach to the commentary, the damage is done at this point and all we can do is learn to prevent future occurrences!
I had a bit of a scare in a steep hill situation where I've slid in the seat and put more weight on the brakes than intended, lifting the rear wheels off the ground, so I can see how quickly and easily that can happen. Spectators aside, It's good to see how smoothly and calmly they went through that recovery.
I strongly agree with your assessment of this rollover and recovery. The thing I would add that a person who set up this car is not ideally the best person to carry out the recovery.
Your analogy is spot on. Everything you pointed out is true and correct and if all persons on scene had had any form of recovery training, or basic driver education, we would not have to go on about moving people on and out of the danger zones. So, room here for training video's as you suggested. But, you have not even mentioned the basic, golden rules of first level off-road driver education - ie, Do I need to go there? Is there another route? Is my vehicle capable of driving the obstacle? Am I capable of driving it there? Remember those 5 teachings? I am sure you do. Old mate here has paid a price for buggerising about on a "fun" crossing. He is loaded up for a fantastic holiday up the Cape and did not need to play on this steep crossing and risk everything for 5 minutes of bravado.
@@dustyfarmer you are correct. Trained with Victoria Police and recently retired from Country Fire Authority as an Instructor. 43 years in driver training.
I'm ex. N.P.W.S and received my 4WD light unit & 4WD tanker training back in the late 1980's. I'm still using that Knowledge base to this day.@@trickster8635
One thing I've been taught when recovering somebody else with a winch is to keep the hood up. That way if something fails it can't go through the windshield.
@@MadMatt4WD 100% agree with you on a self recovery where I'm in the driver's seat assisting the winch with the throttle. Vision is definitely more important. But when recovering somebody else I'm outside anyway for visibility, might as well take 10 seconds for another layer of security.
Hectic situation to be in. My first thoughts for the root cause was the high centre of gravity and unsecured cargo within the canopy being thrown towards the cab during the descent thus redistributing the weight of the rear in a very quick time frame and increasing the pendulum affect. Thanks for the content team MM. Cheers
Great video and review. I also noticed it stopped before the btm. 1st thing I said was that's the best stopping cruiser out there. But recon your bang on with his weight on the pedal. And yes, should have gassed out, but sometimes this happens so fast. We had a similar situation at KOH20 in a class 4800 buggy in the warm up nose diving at speed but at the last second hit the gas and come out right way up. Love ya work. Keep it up. Btw 1st meet you at koh and again at Cliffhanger. Cheers
i think the best option for a rear recovery point would probably have been a proper hitch receiver shackle mount. would have allowed for the shackle to be loaded in the main axis while still rotating as the vehicle pivoted preventing any improper loading. i don't know why people go offroad without them. you can pick them up for under $50.
I reckon you're on the right track with the hard on the brake pedal theory. Driver may even not have had seatbelt on which would only add to the pressure on the pedal. Left foot braking may have helped to aid in powering out when it started to tilt up. Looks like a chopped 80 series so COG is very high as you say, not a lot of weight down low.
Hi great insite, also not to know what is loose inside the canopy to move suddenly forward + the fuel to surge forward as well, these add to the tipping point being crossed? Lucky no one was injured!
Hi Matt, Great video, I've come close to putting a vehicle over forward like that, and that moment when you realise its about to go is quite the heart stopper. The vehicle grounded the chassis as I dropped off a ledge, causing it to pivot forward as the front wheels were in the air, and the back wanted to keep rotating. I let off the brakes and let the vehicle roll forward, and the back dropped back down, unseating the bead on one of the rear tyres when it landed. Couple of thoughts though... With the winching vehicle, in addition to securing it, I'd want the revs up a bit to ensure the battery is getting full charge from the alternator. Without a hand throttle or idle up switch, then someone has to be in there to do this. With the vehicle from the side helping pull the 80 off the bank, by having it facing forwards as per the video, the driver can then see exactly what is going in, and back off if straightaway if it starts to rotate or get too close to the other bank.
Some really good points. I feel like I could see what’s going on by adjusting my mirrors. Also less chance of busting a front diff. But all these factors are considered decisions that have to be made during this type of recovery. There’s a lot going on.
We really need to start talking about hard recovery’s more and how as a community we can help each other. Also how do we best setup winches lines and angles plus what a good recovery kit has. Lastly that our recovery gear that has a use by date and doesn’t last for ever
To make good decisions we must remove the emotion!!! Australia is a big place why unnecessarily put ourselves in a predicament like this so far from home. I think mostly the recovery was fine , they kept it slow. The only one thing i would be critical of is that everyone is on holidays in holiday mode. In a recovery the holiday mode must be parked aside for professionalism. Like you keep saying, GET UNNECESSARY PEOPLE AWAY!!!!!! Its not a holiday if care flight has to come in. Always safety first. Glad everyone is ok thanks for doing these vids😊
Hey Matt. I assume he probably normally runs the spare in the standard location, but moved it so it didn't get damaged because of how low it hangs. But agree it should be mounted on a solid mount, preferably lower down. Cheers Red
Why didn't they have a vehicle set up behind with it's winch rope hooked up at the rear for just this situation. It's easy to sit in a chair, watch the video and citicise, but that is what I would have done....but, they did a fairly good recovery under the circumstances as your adrenalin would is pumping like crazy, and I hope that it didn't ruin their trip to the tip.
@MadMatt4WD I showed my wife this exact video, and she said nope.... You're not taking our Dmax there..... I'll keep you posted on how that turns out 🤣🤣
As he came over the edge and got vertical, all the weight in the tray, which when level is compressing the rear springs and shocks, suddenly the weight transfers to the headboard of the tray at the same time the rear springs and shocks unload. Those rear springs and shocks unloading assisted the momentum that the vehicle had which helped it go end for end.
With a rollover, thoughts on making sure the engine is off, not just stalled, in gear, hand brake on? Not always easy to go through a check list with the adrenaline. Making sure the vehicle does not move when back on the wheels. Not always possible but also attaching anchor lines in the opposite direction to pull to stop the vehicle sliding before uprighting?
I always make sure that my long ranger sub chassis water tank on my 76 is full so as to enhance the low centre of gravity to avoid this, or side rollovers.
So many wowsers in the comments saying they don't understand why they went in in the first place. Well stay on the bitumen and keep your comments to yourselves. If you don't get it, you can't really make a judgement. Plenty of cars have driven this same entry this year without incident and its just unfortunate that old mate had this outcome. This is one of the worst years for this entry, but it's certainly not the impossibility of previous years at gunshot for instance.
The reason I don't put all the "overlanding" crap on my rig is weight distribution. You can't make a camper/apartment into a dedicated offroad rig and expect it to perform.
I was doing a recovery on a badly stuck truck yesterday in a highly visible area. They tend to attract a crowd quickly. We almost abandoned it due to so many people around and interfering. I'm glad you pointed that out.
the person in the recovery vehicle could possibly be holding a small amount of throttle on to keep the batteries at an optimal power level for the winching operation.
Hi Matt, As a Novizen driver in your country with your terrain and special situations, but with some experience. I Would say from my point of view: Appreciate very much you pick up on such videos and commence it as a professional after it was happen and let others know the do and don’t . Well done… yes I have seen your vids all and also on your sons recovery. You said the driver of the 80 and the people involved are somehow experience, but a that moment the shock factor makes everybody act different and many thing which are clear to you will not come in you mind. This is not as a critic to the driver and involved mates. May you pick it up in a week or 2 again to set some commence and assumptions correct. For my part I would look into: Safety, side control, 1 leader overseas the recovery calls the shots and is not involved in any handling of gear or cars. Best not the guy who owns the vehicle and creeping in and out and do some work on his vehicle. Non involved person to clear the area of recovery. Onlookers Staying on the side left and right in a distance will be ok. Sure a tree truck protector around the chassi last crossmember would be the go, if on hand. Flipped vehicle side control, as you mentioned with a manual gb vehicle very dangerous. 2 straps or rops to the rear both side attached and 3-4 person holding it in balance would have been my choice, there comes the leader handy shouting instructions. That would be the minimum I would look for. There are many more factors which will play a roll in this accident. But to consider this is not part of your video I assume. Your vid. Very well done from my point of view. PS. Firefighter/ rescue learn such things from day one I belief and are trained. Have a nice Sunday Cheers
I can't provide you any video or pictures of myself in that same situation because I'd have taken one look at that descent and said "Nope!", and then taken an easier way past. IMO there either should have been a restraint on the rear of the vehicle to prevent tipping or a pull on the front to keep the front moving forward when it hit But that requires some forethought, equipment and keeping one's ego in check.
Plenty of others make it with rigs loaded up more than that. That bit of throttle at the end would have lifted the front a bit. I reckon should have a strap or winch hooked up to the rear before attempting this.
Safety factor is only applicable to correct loading of the shackle. Cross loading of the gate like that all bets are off. Simple tree protector basket ed around the tow/chassis cross brace.
I've dropped an early 90 (not mine) down a similar sized "hole", mine was not a hole, but it sat on the bumper, perfectly poised wondering which way it's going to go... a gentle rev (hoping not to hear clattering) and it started to drop back onto the wheels. The rev helped because the rotational force of the wheels and drivetrain gives force to move the vehicle. It was not a stiuation I want to repeat. I think cause in this instance was weight on roof, possible shifting cargo, suspension on front aiding the momentum of the other effects. Unfortunately, it was going to go. 😞I don't think I would have tried that without a tether. Actually, who am I kidding, after doing the full rebuild and all the other kit it's got added to the 110, it's not getting treated to something like that unless there is zero other options available. Regrding the recovery; I'd have probably gone with the tree strop through the tow bar box, or a bridle on two chassis fixtures but hindsight is a wonderful thing and you don't know what other recovery gear they have available. For this on the 110 I run a NATO pintle and can lock a Master Ring into it so that is probably what I would be looking at on my own vehicle, but as said, I'd not have wanted to be in the situation in the first place.
What he was doing is testing the durability of his roof top tent 😂😂.. If I was the guy behind the steering wheel I would have lifted the bonnet (hood if you’re American) up so if something snaps & comes flying back that takes the impact.. you can repair a sheet of dented metal, it’s not worth risking it coming back through the windscreen at you..
looks like a lot of weight up top, front end going vertical and on the brakes, rear end still travelling horizontally and picking up speed at the last moment.
In my experience a double line pull with snatch block right at the anchor point is unpredictable as to where it will recoil if the snatch block come flying back compared to a single line pull break .
I was fearful that the driver was actually still in it for all that time. How do you get out? There’s not enough side room. It’s probably a greater concern when the slot is really only a vehicle wide.
Me personally before I go ripping everything apart I’m gonna turn it over by hand first. If you can get a few complete turns of the engine by hand you should be good but if intake is full also then it don’t really matter cause it’s suck in there til it gets the air flow to move it and there goes the motor. I saw one guy roll his rig took everything apart cleaned the cylinders out put it back together fired it up and started to move it and it sucked the oil from intake cause catastrophic failure but his was petro.
If they didn't have about an 80° approach angle, the bull bar could have dug in and contributed to the roll-over. Seems a lot of mistakes were made here, not the least of which a decision to consider (if possible) driving around this extremely hazardous obstacle.
Did you say 3 or 4 tonnes expected load? In that scenario the load won’t ever be over the weight of the vehicle being recovered. Mainly because the weight of the vehicle is supported by the ground and also the closer to vertical it gets, the less load on the shackle.
@@MadMatt4WD I think you might be Right......The Definition of Inertia "a property of matter by which it remains at rest or in unchanging motion unless acted on by some external force" Every time I watch a CapeYork Video, I have always imagined a Vehicle RollingOver like that. What Scares me is: Someone of my Size would probably be Stuck in the Vehicle until it's Recovered.
Many people say with engine flooding (hydro locking) or roll overs where the oil has sat on the underside of the pistons and possibly leaked past the rings into the cylinder head compartment - not to crank the engine for fear of bending con rods etc. Then the advice is to remove spark plugs and turn it over- again good advice. But don’t pull the injectors in a diesel. They have once off use crush washers - so you can’t just put the injectors back in afterwards & start her up. Instead, with diesels, pull the glow plugs and crank it over. That will eject any oil or water without risk of bent conrods & it’s easy to put the glow plugs back in afterwards. You tubers have to stop saying “pull the injectors” in this situation - because it’s bad advice basically.
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A rollover around water is extra scary. Thank goodness that water wasn’t deeper because there’s hardly any room to open doors and that could have got fatal fast!
Actually that’s a really good point. That would be terrifying.
Your right, that gave me the willies watching it. Even in shallow water if you were to get pinned it or knocked out it wouldn’t take much to drown.
I've always had that fear when it comes to Gunshot.
ill ,tell ya what he did wrong.... didnt watch vids before he left,, didnt join a 4x4 club,registerd.. with trainers.. didnt accelerate at the bottom,, went too fast. plus, small wheels, too much high weight. no experience..cow bays..plus,,its amazing the council doesnt fill it in once in a while,,they,ll wait till somebody dies, then ban all of it..@@MadMatt4WD
@@MadMatt4WD this sht happens here in aus,, cos we have fkt up,stoopid laws.. no other fkn reason.. come see me,,ill give you a brain bash, on what,,4x4 laws should be.. not,,15mm tyres,2'' lift.. total bs..
Great commentary. It's very possible the load in the canopy shifted forward which increased the rotational forces on the vehicle.
Good point, never thought of that.
Where possible, I've always thought a "catch line" in the form of an extension strap hooked up to the front of a second vehicle is the best way to tackle these kind if scenarios. Both vehicles move forward at the same time to maintain enough slack to not intefere with the solo drive but not so much the vehicle can end over end.
If there's a good chance I'm about to perform a recovery, I like to get my recovery gear out & put it off to the side of the obstacle before I tackle it. Saves time & any hassle you might have accessing it later.
Great comment thanks
I have definitely considered a "catch line" as well in similar situations. Better to have a close call, with no damage/injuries, than a roll over. Also can save time, which may be a big thing in the overall trip.
Getting the recovery gear out and set to the side is a good idea I had not considered (I certainly will now). I have put some effort into making sure I can access my gear in as many situations as possible (blocked doors, roll over, ect), but getting it out ahead of time would make sense if there is a high probability of needing it.
Great idea.
Thanks Matt. No issues with your critique. I cringed every time I saw all of the extra people standing around. And no way I would have tried to start that truck. They did a good job of recovery. Always good to keep in mind that you may not be able to get to YOUR recovery gear so as a group you need to make sure its spread out between everyone. Final thought: Although I know 4 wheeling is fun and challenging, there is no way I would have taken my rig into that hole if I could just drive around.
Thanks for the comment.
@olliehopnoodle4628. As long as motor has been checked for having no oil in the pistons and turned over with injectors out it's ok
@@peterbarber7613 Correct. Pull the plugs, try moving the engine by 'hand'. If it isn't stuck crank it a couple of times with the plugs out. Check oil levels (engine, tranny, power steering) and coolant.
Most likely the engine will run!
Glad Matt is quick to unpack these videos , education is important with the growing community. We all want the flash tents and 12v but we NEED skill and knowledge more so
Thanks mate. I’m doing what I can
Hands down one of the scariest things to do offroading is flooring the throttle going downhill. But it is necessary! Only had to do it a couple times.
No one wants to see a 4x4 on its lid. I almost cried when I saw it. I hope the old girl is ok and lucky no one was injured. Great content Matt. Keep up the great work 👏👏👏
Yeah especially old girls like this
Great Video. Sit back and plan the recovery is the best advice. I had a roll over the other weekend in my 80. We took over 1/2 an hour to plan the recovery. We also took stock and reassessed at different stages of the recovery so we did not do any more damage to the vehicle. We also moved all people and vehicles to directly involved away and had one person calling the shots. Once the vehicle was on its wheels(vehicle was only on its side) we disconnected the fuel stop solenoid and cracked all the injectors and turned the engine over with the key. Car started and we drove home with only a wrecked front guard and a slight dent in the rear quarter. No broken glass. Even the wing mirror survived.
Well done guys
I knew you'd unpack this one very well Matt. The comment about key board worriers is so true, there was plenty in the other videos most you could tell by people who didn't have a clue. I have to agree about taking your time & there is nothing worse than someone in your ear when you are trying to do the best you can in bad circumstances.
Matt, your comments about the safe zones are generally correct, particularly if we are talking about synthetic with ropes.
In the vid it seems to be red (if my old eyes are correct) so it probably is synthetic.
The difference is the density of the rope, Steel Wire Rope is far heavier for the same size and rating. SWR is also a bit more elastic (stretchier) so it holds a LOT of energy AND inertia. When it lets go, whether that’s the rope itself or a fitting, that inertia means the rope tends to “whip” and can fly out to the sides MUCH more than synthetic rope.
This means that the danger zone for SWR is far wider than for synthetic rope.
Not that we should become complacent around synthetic rope but we should be far far more vigilant when using SWR.
Please include that observation in case people come across the old SWR, there are plenty of them still out there.
Great vid though, keep them coming
I have recovered a Few people that were in this situation in Box Cannon here in Arizona One wad about this deep the other Was 20 plus feet deeper same rollover and they had roof rents and to much weight on the back of the pickup
Hi Matt
Great video mate I think they could have been a bit safer but I think they did ok. I don't understand why people go down these sections there is no challenge to it and your just risking stuffing up your holiday.
I agree. Especially when you are so top heavy and you’re on an expedition not a Sunday away rock hopping.
Couldn't agree more. Over all they didn't do too badly but there are a few changes I would have liked to see such as a tree trunk protector or something around the tow bar cross bar and people well away, even the person filming I believe was way too close. As for risking the vehicle, I don't understand why people feel the need to do so, even the weekend warriors taking their rigs out to play in the bush and risking damage. Especially if that is your daily than why risk it?
Yeah I only do them if that’s the only option when I’m that far from home.
I’m all for stupid stuff but there’s a time and place. That’s why I have the race car with cage and harness.
@@MadMatt4WD And that race car is your time and place plus it doesn't matter if you can't drive it to work tomorrow or if you and the family are on a 2 week holiday because it is a race car not a touring rig.
The biggest issue was the decision to go in there in the first place.
You and your race truck are one thing, the vehicle you're driving around in a somewhat remote area is another entirely.
I don't think that took them all that long though, look at the shadows the vehicles cast on the ground, they don't noticeably move. Looks like they got onto that pretty quick.
I didn’t think of watching the shadow for a sense of time. Good idea
I'm not going to criticize going-in in the first place, because it would be somewhat hypocritical to complain about four wheeling in the fashion that this track requires as someone into four wheeling.
Complaints about the build and execution of the drive are valid of one accepts that this is the expected route on this trail.
@@TWX1138Nonsense mate.
That's the original drop into palm creek and probably fair to say it's the worst, there are others, the next one along 100m or so to the east is far gentler and a much more sensible option.
This is just doing dumb stuff cause the mates or girlfriend are looking. It's just not a sensible thing to do.
Exactly, it's not a day out rock crawling, it's 100s of KM from anywhere. Gunshot has bypasses so think once, think twice, think don't be a hero and use them.
Yeah I agree.
Why anyone does this dumb crap is just beyond me really as it serves no purpose other than appealing to others with little common sense.
It seems to be coming more of a thing as a lot of 4wd channels have to keep upping the drama to keep appealing to their viewers.
Everyone seems to be doing exactly the same things to say that they've done it and, from what I've seen, most camping spots/tracks are as busy as the burbs these days.
You are exactly right, everything you carry on your rig should have a dedicated mount and the rig should be balanced spare tire(s) should be as far back on the rig as possible and as the video goes on I realize that he may have had cargo in the bed that could have slid forward causing a push forward to ultimately causing the rollover
I was shown this earlier in the week, and wow, a fair bit on levered momentum once it passes the highest apex point on it's nose and starts coming back down on it's roof! I'm at 9 minutes four seconds, and once again I'm faced with the question, " Why don't people carry an insertable hitch point with rated shackle ? " They aren't that heavy, they are small and thus easy to stow away, than can be used in both horizontal or vertical positions as per what recovery situation is needed, and it would have been the easy, quick and safer way to use in this situation..... surely even one of the bystanders or other vehicle owners would have one, and could have lent it to him just for the recovery, especially once they saw where he had hooked up that shackle . The only answer I can find is that panic mode was infectious at that point.
Hey madmatt iv seen this clip on Facebook over the past week & they should of had more wight in the tray & put a winch cable on the back of the Ute..then he would of be right to drive out of it .. cheers mate 👍👍👍✌️🤘
01:50 the Inertia doesn't flip the vehicle, Momentum did the job. With some Impulse (mathematically speaking), the driver could've lodged the vehicle, nose first and come to a halt or driven out with some Velocity.
Inertia is the idea that an object will continue its current motion until some force causes its speed or direction to change.
In this case Momentum is the force that causes its direction to change - it flips due to Momentum.
The concept of inertia and momentum are regularly confused because of their similar definitions.
Inertia is the resistance offered by a body to the motion whereas momentum is the tendency of a body to continue moving.
Momentum, p, is p=mv. Mass and velocity are not correlated unless calculating p.
Correlation is a number from minus 1 to plus 1, mathematically speaking. On that scale, zero is perfect correlation. In the case shown, mass exceeds velocity where the correlation is less than zero. Most 4WD incidents occur when mass exceeds velocity at low speeds. Conversely, velocity at a greater scale can kill you no matter your mass.
Mass can be derived from Force and Acceleration. If Acceleration is low (this is why we go slow sometimes) then Force is reduced (no broken CVs).
Mass = Force ÷ Acceleration. Force is always a function of gravity and time (t) and is best calculated by deriving Impulse (J for Joules) - J=F x t. Impulse is best explained with cricket or tennis and squash. Mass can also be described in Potential Gravity (1/2 mv squared)
In cricket/tennis you try to leave the ball for as long as possible on the bat/racquet which is why some shots can look lazy, particularly cricket, but they rocket to the boundary or base line (t is more important than Force). In squash, the ball is smashed as hard as possible (F) with a very low t value. The Impulse in squash is invariably higher given the nature of the squash ball.
Velocity (as opposed to speed, which is agnostic with regard to gravity and direction) and time, combined, are the first principle for 4WD driving. Velocity is angular which is why downhill, uphill or tipping into a creek needs an understanding of what is to be achieved - time in the saddle and practice, practice, practice.
Fair call Matt on the dynamics of the incident and your call on the recovery too.
Given the angle of the recovery pull, there would have been enormous pressure on everything right at the very beginning of the pull and that, in my estimation, was the most dangerous time - people should have been well clear during that hand grenade moment - if the driver of the recovery vehicle needed to be there, I hope he/she would have been laying really effen low in the cab.
Yeah they did good doing the double line pull
Awesome video - lots to learn here and love the neutral approach to the commentary, the damage is done at this point and all we can do is learn to prevent future occurrences!
Thanks mate. I think it’s helpful
I agree with you Matt If he put a little throttle in at the Time the bumper was close to the ground he might of came out of this without flipping 4:26
Great video! Very well explained, and you picked out everything I also saw. Coming from a serious off roader and automotive engineer
Glad you enjoyed it!
I had a bit of a scare in a steep hill situation where I've slid in the seat and put more weight on the brakes than intended, lifting the rear wheels off the ground, so I can see how quickly and easily that can happen. Spectators aside, It's good to see how smoothly and calmly they went through that recovery.
Well explained Mad Mate i like to see spectators keep back to
Mad Old Mate to you. 😂😂😂
sometimes the chicken track is the best track.
Yep, I value my vehicle WAY TOO MUCH to risk it.
I think you summed it up pretty good, and adgree with assessment of why it went over.
I strongly agree with your assessment of this rollover and recovery. The thing I would add that a person who set up this car is not ideally the best person to carry out the recovery.
See you at the 4x4 show
Excellent play by play Mad.
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This is the new Gunshot. I did not want to attempt it when we were there. Good comments Matt. Thank you for the knowledge drop
Glad to help
A lesson to learn? Don't drop into the creek. Take the easy route.
Yet again, another Awesome Vid Matt & thank you for your input.. 👍
Thanks again!
I think there should be atleast 2 more Winch cable Blankets on that Winch Line 11:09
Great video Matt... I was looking forward to seeing your thoughts on this one.
Your analogy is spot on. Everything you pointed out is true and correct and if all persons on scene had had any form of recovery training, or basic driver education, we would not have to go on about moving people on and out of the danger zones. So, room here for training video's as you suggested. But, you have not even mentioned the basic, golden rules of first level off-road driver education - ie, Do I need to go there? Is there another route? Is my vehicle capable of driving the obstacle? Am I capable of driving it there? Remember those 5 teachings? I am sure you do. Old mate here has paid a price for buggerising about on a "fun" crossing. He is loaded up for a fantastic holiday up the Cape and did not need to play on this steep crossing and risk everything for 5 minutes of bravado.
Sounds like you may have done some professional 4WD driver training at National Parks or Forestry.
@@dustyfarmer you are correct. Trained with Victoria Police and recently retired from Country Fire Authority as an Instructor. 43 years in driver training.
I'm ex. N.P.W.S and received my 4WD light unit & 4WD tanker training back in the late 1980's. I'm still using that Knowledge base to this day.@@trickster8635
fully agree with all points said well done 😁 lots of newbys need to see this!
Yeah I think it should help a few people
Wow at that rollover
One thing I've been taught when recovering somebody else with a winch is to keep the hood up. That way if something fails it can't go through the windshield.
I hear that often. I don’t like the idea as it totally removes your vision. If you rig safely and perform your recovery correctly this is not needed.
@@MadMatt4WD 100% agree with you on a self recovery where I'm in the driver's seat assisting the winch with the throttle. Vision is definitely more important. But when recovering somebody else I'm outside anyway for visibility, might as well take 10 seconds for another layer of security.
The shadows seem pretty consistent to the roll-over footage, so it'd be quite safe to assume they got to the recovery pretty quickly
I didn’t think of watching the shadow for a sense of time. Good idea
Hectic situation to be in. My first thoughts for the root cause was the high centre of gravity and unsecured cargo within the canopy being thrown towards the cab during the descent thus redistributing the weight of the rear in a very quick time frame and increasing the pendulum affect. Thanks for the content team MM. Cheers
Great video and review. I also noticed it stopped before the btm. 1st thing I said was that's the best stopping cruiser out there. But recon your bang on with his weight on the pedal. And yes, should have gassed out, but sometimes this happens so fast. We had a similar situation at KOH20 in a class 4800 buggy in the warm up nose diving at speed but at the last second hit the gas and come out right way up. Love ya work. Keep it up. Btw 1st meet you at koh and again at Cliffhanger. Cheers
Yeah nice. I’m keen for cliffy this year
Thanks for posting the vid, a learning experience for sure.
Thanks for watching!
That vehicle doing the side load looks like a Toyota Tacoma Hilux
i think the best option for a rear recovery point would probably have been a proper hitch receiver shackle mount. would have allowed for the shackle to be loaded in the main axis while still rotating as the vehicle pivoted preventing any improper loading. i don't know why people go offroad without them. you can pick them up for under $50.
Matt, is a black halter top and a cowboy hat considered essential recovery gear? ☺
😂😂😂 obviously 🤣
I can't see it happen to anything I own Just a bloody stupid thing to do
I reckon you're on the right track with the hard on the brake pedal theory. Driver may even not have had seatbelt on which would only add to the pressure on the pedal. Left foot braking may have helped to aid in powering out when it started to tilt up. Looks like a chopped 80 series so COG is very high as you say, not a lot of weight down low.
Only be lifting the 3-4T initially. It will reduce as the vehicle goes from 45 degrees up to 90 degrees.
Hi great insite, also not to know what is loose inside the canopy to move suddenly forward + the fuel to surge forward as well, these add to the tipping point being crossed? Lucky no one was injured!
Hi Matt,
Great video, I've come close to putting a vehicle over forward like that, and that moment when you realise its about to go is quite the heart stopper.
The vehicle grounded the chassis as I dropped off a ledge, causing it to pivot forward as the front wheels were in the air, and the back wanted to keep rotating. I let off the brakes and let the vehicle roll forward, and the back dropped back down, unseating the bead on one of the rear tyres when it landed.
Couple of thoughts though...
With the winching vehicle, in addition to securing it, I'd want the revs up a bit to ensure the battery is getting full charge from the alternator. Without a hand throttle or idle up switch, then someone has to be in there to do this.
With the vehicle from the side helping pull the 80 off the bank, by having it facing forwards as per the video, the driver can then see exactly what is going in, and back off if straightaway if it starts to rotate or get too close to the other bank.
Some really good points. I feel like I could see what’s going on by adjusting my mirrors. Also less chance of busting a front diff. But all these factors are considered decisions that have to be made during this type of recovery. There’s a lot going on.
We really need to start talking about hard recovery’s more and how as a community we can help each other.
Also how do we best setup winches lines and angles plus what a good recovery kit has.
Lastly that our recovery gear that has a use by date and doesn’t last for ever
Great points. Much of this is already covered in my channel but this is why I want to develop the online course to help in a structured way.
To make good decisions we must remove the emotion!!! Australia is a big place why unnecessarily put ourselves in a predicament like this so far from home. I think mostly the recovery was fine , they kept it slow. The only one thing i would be critical of is that everyone is on holidays in holiday mode. In a recovery the holiday mode must be parked aside for professionalism. Like you keep saying, GET UNNECESSARY PEOPLE AWAY!!!!!! Its not a holiday if care flight has to come in. Always safety first. Glad everyone is ok thanks for doing these vids😊
"It's not a holiday if Care Flight have to come " needs to be a tee shirt.
EXCELLENT vid.
10/10.
THANK YOU.
You're welcome
The lift kit also contributed to this failure. As load came off the rear wheels, the suspension extended giving the last little push.
Yes the shock rebound being too fast for the light load. Good point.
Nice commentary! Would be great if you’d be able to get in touch with that crew for a debrief video
That would be cool! They may reach out
Hey Matt. I assume he probably normally runs the spare in the standard location, but moved it so it didn't get damaged because of how low it hangs.
But agree it should be mounted on a solid mount, preferably lower down.
Cheers Red
Yeah maybe
Why didn't they have a vehicle set up behind with it's winch rope hooked up at the rear for just this situation.
It's easy to sit in a chair, watch the video and citicise, but that is what I would have done....but, they did a fairly good recovery under the circumstances as your adrenalin would is pumping like crazy, and I hope that it didn't ruin their trip to the tip.
When we’ve done these drop ins in the past that’s exactly how we did it.
@MadMatt4WD I showed my wife this exact video, and she said nope.... You're not taking our Dmax there..... I'll keep you posted on how that turns out 🤣🤣
@@chrishanslow4378 😂😂😂😂
As he came over the edge and got vertical, all the weight in the tray, which when level is compressing the rear springs and shocks, suddenly the weight transfers to the headboard of the tray at the same time the rear springs and shocks unload.
Those rear springs and shocks unloading assisted the momentum that the vehicle had which helped it go end for end.
Good point
He did manage to drive it home. Saw him Saturday night on its way southbound near Mulgrave roadhouse.
Ok that’s good to hear. I heard the cab is shot which is sad.
With a rollover, thoughts on making sure the engine is off, not just stalled, in gear, hand brake on? Not always easy to go through a check list with the adrenaline. Making sure the vehicle does not move when back on the wheels.
Not always possible but also attaching anchor lines in the opposite direction to pull to stop the vehicle sliding before uprighting?
Great points
Awesome Ep and spot on with your thoughts,
Glad you enjoyed it
They seem to be doing very well with the recovery with what they have on hand 20:18
Great video mate
Great Video Matt
Glad you enjoyed it
I always make sure that my long ranger sub chassis water tank on my 76 is full so as to enhance the low centre of gravity to avoid this, or side rollovers.
How good are those tanks ay. I have one in the 105.
I did a quick reacts short on my channel. It was only 45second video but 💯 agree. I mentioned the big tyres and big lift contributing to the poor COG.
Well done. I’ll check it out
So many wowsers in the comments saying they don't understand why they went in in the first place. Well stay on the bitumen and keep your comments to yourselves. If you don't get it, you can't really make a judgement.
Plenty of cars have driven this same entry this year without incident and its just unfortunate that old mate had this outcome.
This is one of the worst years for this entry, but it's certainly not the impossibility of previous years at gunshot for instance.
The reason I don't put all the "overlanding" crap on my rig is weight distribution. You can't make a camper/apartment into a dedicated offroad rig and expect it to perform.
I was doing a recovery on a badly stuck truck yesterday in a highly visible area. They tend to attract a crowd quickly. We almost abandoned it due to so many people around and interfering. I'm glad you pointed that out.
the person in the recovery vehicle could possibly be holding a small amount of throttle on to keep the batteries at an optimal power level for the winching operation.
Hi Matt,
As a Novizen driver in your country with your terrain and special situations, but with some experience.
I Would say from my point of view:
Appreciate very much you pick up on such videos and commence it as a professional after it was happen and let others know the do and don’t . Well done… yes I have seen your vids all and also on your sons recovery.
You said the driver of the 80 and the people involved are somehow experience, but a that moment the shock factor makes everybody act different and many thing which are clear to you will not come in you mind.
This is not as a critic to the driver and involved mates.
May you pick it up in a week or 2 again to set some commence and assumptions correct.
For my part I would look into:
Safety, side control, 1 leader overseas the recovery calls the shots and is not involved in any handling of gear or cars. Best not the guy who owns the vehicle and creeping in and out and do some work on his vehicle.
Non involved person to clear the area of recovery.
Onlookers Staying on the side left and right in a distance will be ok.
Sure a tree truck protector around the chassi last crossmember would be the go, if on hand.
Flipped vehicle side control, as you mentioned with a manual gb vehicle very dangerous. 2 straps or rops to the rear both side attached and 3-4 person holding it in balance would have been my choice, there comes the leader handy shouting instructions.
That would be the minimum I would look for.
There are many more factors which will play a roll in this accident. But to consider this is not part of your video I assume.
Your vid. Very well done from my point of view.
PS. Firefighter/ rescue learn such things from day one I belief and are trained.
Have a nice Sunday
Cheers
Thanks for a great comment
When i first seen the orginal clip, i was wondering what Mad Matt thought of this. Now we know!!
😁
Thanks old mate.
Probably a good chassis test.
My pleasure fella. I’d recon it was
I can't provide you any video or pictures of myself in that same situation because I'd have taken one look at that descent and said "Nope!", and then taken an easier way past. IMO there either should have been a restraint on the rear of the vehicle to prevent tipping or a pull on the front to keep the front moving forward when it hit But that requires some forethought, equipment and keeping one's ego in check.
Suprised this vehicle dosent have a rear bumper with a tire mount
Very well said.
Plenty of others make it with rigs loaded up more than that. That bit of throttle at the end would have lifted the front a bit.
I reckon should have a strap or winch hooked up to the rear before attempting this.
Oh no don't start it after it was upside down that oil is going to be in the intake that could hidrolock the engine
Hi Matt are you doing a mount maxis at the Melbourne 4x4 show?
Yes mate. Start building it tomorrow
Safety factor is only applicable to correct loading of the shackle. Cross loading of the gate like that all bets are off. Simple tree protector basket ed around the tow/chassis cross brace.
Yeah totally agree. This method load the thread a lot
I've dropped an early 90 (not mine) down a similar sized "hole", mine was not a hole, but it sat on the bumper, perfectly poised wondering which way it's going to go... a gentle rev (hoping not to hear clattering) and it started to drop back onto the wheels. The rev helped because the rotational force of the wheels and drivetrain gives force to move the vehicle. It was not a stiuation I want to repeat.
I think cause in this instance was weight on roof, possible shifting cargo, suspension on front aiding the momentum of the other effects. Unfortunately, it was going to go. 😞I don't think I would have tried that without a tether. Actually, who am I kidding, after doing the full rebuild and all the other kit it's got added to the 110, it's not getting treated to something like that unless there is zero other options available.
Regrding the recovery; I'd have probably gone with the tree strop through the tow bar box, or a bridle on two chassis fixtures but hindsight is a wonderful thing and you don't know what other recovery gear they have available. For this on the 110 I run a NATO pintle and can lock a Master Ring into it so that is probably what I would be looking at on my own vehicle, but as said, I'd not have wanted to be in the situation in the first place.
Great comment thanks
What he was doing is testing the durability of his roof top tent 😂😂.. If I was the guy behind the steering wheel I would have lifted the bonnet (hood if you’re American) up so if something snaps & comes flying back that takes the impact.. you can repair a sheet of dented metal, it’s not worth risking it coming back through the windscreen at you..
How was he not telling himself as he dropped in, “I gotta be ready to gas it”? That’s usually what’s in my head if I drop off a steep angle.
looks like a lot of weight up top, front end going vertical and on the brakes, rear end still travelling horizontally and picking up speed at the last moment.
Yep that’s my thinking.
In my experience a double line pull with snatch block right at the anchor point is unpredictable as to where it will recoil if the snatch block come flying back compared to a single line pull break .
Why are you using gear that can fail?
I’m a few minutes into the video.
Controlling the kinetic energy is key a safe drive when off-roading.
100% agree with that
I was fearful that the driver was actually still in it for all that time. How do you get out? There’s not enough side room. It’s probably a greater concern when the slot is really only a vehicle wide.
I was worried at first but as we see they got out ok.
what a nightmare!
Me personally before I go ripping everything apart I’m gonna turn it over by hand first. If you can get a few complete turns of the engine by hand you should be good but if intake is full also then it don’t really matter cause it’s suck in there til it gets the air flow to move it and there goes the motor. I saw one guy roll his rig took everything apart cleaned the cylinders out put it back together fired it up and started to move it and it sucked the oil from intake cause catastrophic failure but his was petro.
Yeah oil built up in the intercooler etc. well said
The soft shackle was in the canopy, and on the decent down the clutch got let out in low range and was to slow it went, was passo
Yeah right that makes sense. If he’d put the clutch back in he’d have been fine.
If they didn't have about an 80° approach angle, the bull bar could have dug in and contributed to the roll-over. Seems a lot of mistakes were made here, not the least of which a decision to consider (if possible) driving around this extremely hazardous obstacle.
Did you say 3 or 4 tonnes expected load? In that scenario the load won’t ever be over the weight of the vehicle being recovered. Mainly because the weight of the vehicle is supported by the ground and also the closer to vertical it gets, the less load on the shackle.
No I said the winch capacity might be around just under 5t
@@MadMatt4WD Mate you did say the load would be around 3 tons.
@@marvindebot3264 thank you I stand corrected.
They should have had the wihch of the second vehicle hooked up.Spare mounted on the rear of canopy.
The person by the door might be keeping the engine rpm up to keep the batychargerd while winching
There also could have been a hole at the bottom of the descent .
The mistake was not inspecting the hazard first and realizing that to attempt it was just really poor judgement.
I have one question: why is the bonnet of the winching vehicle not up/open?
I personally don’t think it’s a great thing to do. I’d prefer a correct setup that’s not going to fail.
@@MadMatt4WD - indeed 👍🏻 However (perhaps - although we'll never know) a raised bonnet could have saved Ryan's life
Hi Matt.
The back of the vehicle has momentum not inertia in this instance.
Ah yes. Thanks for the correction
@@MadMatt4WD
I think you might be Right......The Definition of Inertia "a property of matter by which it remains at rest or in unchanging motion unless acted on by some external force"
Every time I watch a CapeYork Video, I have always imagined a Vehicle RollingOver like that.
What Scares me is: Someone of my Size would probably be Stuck in the Vehicle until it's Recovered.
Many people say with engine flooding (hydro locking) or roll overs where the oil has sat on the underside of the pistons and possibly leaked past the rings into the cylinder head compartment - not to crank the engine for fear of bending con rods etc.
Then the advice is to remove spark plugs and turn it over- again good advice.
But don’t pull the injectors in a diesel.
They have once off use crush washers - so you can’t just put the injectors back in afterwards & start her up.
Instead, with diesels, pull the glow plugs and crank it over.
That will eject any oil or water without risk of bent conrods & it’s easy to put the glow plugs back in afterwards.
You tubers have to stop saying “pull the injectors” in this situation - because it’s bad advice basically.
Correct in regards to pulling the glow plugs. Also ensuring the intercooler is clear.
Would opening the bonnet work as a protection mechanism or barrier if the driver is sitting in the car while winching?
No. It’s generally considered swapping one danger with another being that you can’t see where your going so Likely to drive into another situation.
Thanks for the reply@@MadMatt4WD
Why wasnt the snatch block in the bow of the shackle?
Apparently they couldn’t get it to fit. Certainly not ideal
Brakes were the issue should have stabbed the throttle at the bottom.