Yeah. His very basic speaker set up that he probably paid like 100 bucks for..........Because he still lives with his parents and he still needs help from daddy since he can't get a job
Thats whats insane in the audio hobby , people will spend 4k more for a miniscule difference, system synergy and room dampening is much more important than fancy cables and high dollar equipment
@agony600 I mean, planars can sound awful on tube amplifiers. Though you are correct, that this is often overstated and mostly a scam told to get people to spend exorbitant amounts of money. You should mostly worry about room reflections and good speakers before worrying about things like amplifiers and especially dacs. Of course there is a minimum level you should reach in that these elements aren't introducing any noise, but that can be had for very low prices.
4:30 "larger driver doesn't move as fast" This is not correct. The acoustic output of a driver is dependent on its acceleration. You can work this out using simple newotonian mechanics: pressure = force / area; force = mass * acceleration; acceleration = second derivative of displacement. A large driver is not good at high frequencies because of cone breakups. The pistonic motion of the driver is severely compromised due to these breakups, and the resulting modal analysis will show you that those breakup modes will acoustically short circuit (essentially you have an array of dipoles rather than an ideal diaphragm following simple plate theory). Larger/multiple voicecoils and stiffer diaphragm materials can mitigate the problem, but a larger driver will also start to beamform at high frequencies. PA systems often use midrange (yes, midrange, as in playing at least up to 1 kHz) drive units that can be 10", 12", or even 15" or larger. It all boils down to the design parameters.
A bigger driver is more efficient than a smaller driver because of its hydrodynamic output (as opposed to acoustic output). It more easily moves a larger mass of air in the nearfield, which is where the majority of the system's energy is dissipated
W371A is *not* a subwoofer, it’s a woofer and is designed to provide greater output when combined with the ones and controlled dispersion down to around 63Hz. This, combined with carefully managed multiple subwoofers should essentially combat all major issues with the room i.e modes and SBIR.
You are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology that supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is arguably the foremost existential crisis.🌱
I agree with a good chunk of what u r saying but just a reminder 1. You arent the only person who knows what they are talking about 2. You havent heard what you havent heard. Still respect the effort
I use Arcan Muso mini bookshelf and the Logo subwoofer x-over 90Hz. They have been designed to work together. Redecorated my house so working on fixing the room acoustics to stop reflections. Hard wood/laminate floors do not help
Just earlier today I finally got my 2 subs (SVS SB-2000) to complete my setup (got KH 120 ii and miniDSP flex a couple of months ago) and really want a tutorial on how to time and volume align + EQ everything. If there's anything you can offer to help I would greatly appreciate it.
Bring back the hater type shi content "don't buy X, it's trash" jk, 2025 is all professionalism, creativity and audio industry elevation. Bigger things are coming, peqdb will be generational. It's inevitable
I mean you set the crossover usually at 70-80hz to make the sub disappear, at higher frequencies directionality comes in to play. You're not entirely wrong on driver size, the SPL you get from smaller drivers is just not enough to properly serve the sub bass regio. A lot of sub-bass immersion comes from physically feeling vibrations, rather than hearing them (especially sub 20 which we can't hear at all). This is where headphones fail because you don't feel the vibrations through your body, even if the frequency response is there. Wearable subwoofers exist to achieve this without upsetting the entire neighborhood. Though time-aligning such a huge driver through it's entire frequency response to a much smaller driver is no easy feat. You can do a lot with DSP, but the better solution would be to have 2 smaller subwoofers for bass-extension for your bookshelves, and a single larger driver with enough SPL to fill your room for the lower sub-bass region, since directionality doesn't matter at this frequency. You can add more subs for bass management to improve things further, since with sub bass the difference in oscilations at different frequencies can be quite large. You could also go for towers without bass extension subwoofers, but with towers you again have more directional awareness and thus not as good of a performance with imaging and again more drivers that can be misaligned, with potentially no way to fix it if it only has a single input and no crossover bypass. You are near-field, so these issues come less in to play. It's important to understand no universal solutions exist when it comes to types of speakers, placement, bass management, etc. It all depends on your room. With that in mind, Neumann headphones are aimed at the studio and not the home, so they are purely analytical tools. Bass immersion is not what is the goal here, rather to make sure there aren't any nasty sounds hidden in those lower regions for when the song is played back at a soundsystem that does support these frequencies.
Thanks for taking on board my advice to talk a bit slower in your videos On the other hand it's now your fiduciary responsibility so I guess there are give and take in life
Don’t you cross over your sub to mach your speakers I find if I have my sub on 95 to 100hz it stands out and I can pinpoint it vocals start to leek out of sub and it stops blending with my main speakers
I got the kh150s because bigger number better number bigger better and lastly better bigger number but mostly it’s just me not wanting to get another two subs as I already have an elac I can’t get rid of and I don’t want another similar sub because it only goes down to 30hz 😢 it’s hard to sell off hifi in the third world
I also think the cost of these "audiophile subs" like the Genelec and whatnot are complete waste of $$$ Brands like Perlisten, new SVS 17 series, PSA, HSU make phenomenal subs for the money and they measure extremely well too.
bro just wanted to flex his speaker setup again
It's not a flex really, it's just very good choices
Yeah. His very basic speaker set up that he probably paid like 100 bucks for..........Because he still lives with his parents and he still needs help from daddy since he can't get a job
@@CammyFi hes flexing good choices
@@rosarrthecalf2805His setup doesn't cost much, he's "flexing" his good faith if anything
Forgot to disclose bias which might be a strike or some shit idk
Thats whats insane in the audio hobby , people will spend 4k more for a miniscule difference, system synergy and room dampening is much more important than fancy cables and high dollar equipment
Define system synergy
@agony600 I mean, planars can sound awful on tube amplifiers. Though you are correct, that this is often overstated and mostly a scam told to get people to spend exorbitant amounts of money. You should mostly worry about room reflections and good speakers before worrying about things like amplifiers and especially dacs. Of course there is a minimum level you should reach in that these elements aren't introducing any noise, but that can be had for very low prices.
Cables are where the sound’s @
4:30 "larger driver doesn't move as fast"
This is not correct. The acoustic output of a driver is dependent on its acceleration. You can work this out using simple newotonian mechanics: pressure = force / area; force = mass * acceleration; acceleration = second derivative of displacement.
A large driver is not good at high frequencies because of cone breakups. The pistonic motion of the driver is severely compromised due to these breakups, and the resulting modal analysis will show you that those breakup modes will acoustically short circuit (essentially you have an array of dipoles rather than an ideal diaphragm following simple plate theory).
Larger/multiple voicecoils and stiffer diaphragm materials can mitigate the problem, but a larger driver will also start to beamform at high frequencies.
PA systems often use midrange (yes, midrange, as in playing at least up to 1 kHz) drive units that can be 10", 12", or even 15" or larger. It all boils down to the design parameters.
A bigger driver is more efficient than a smaller driver because of its hydrodynamic output (as opposed to acoustic output). It more easily moves a larger mass of air in the nearfield, which is where the majority of the system's energy is dissipated
This is further evidence in favor of tower speakers.
A tiny monitor crossed over to a big subwoofer for bass is more powerful than any tower speaker.
@sharuraudio The Kii Three with BXT has 3,500 watts per channel, making it a 7,000-watt stereo system.
@@sebastianbaran9645 it's likely fine, but not necessarily optimal. The bass won't be as enveloping as that from a subwoofer
@@sharuraudio The Kii system utilizes cardioid technology, making the bass directional.
how about a sub with towers lol.
W371A is *not* a subwoofer, it’s a woofer and is designed to provide greater output when combined with the ones and controlled dispersion down to around 63Hz. This, combined with carefully managed multiple subwoofers should essentially combat all major issues with the room i.e modes and SBIR.
k
Bro just put the naan and the palak paneer in the bag already 😭💥
?
You are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology that supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is arguably the foremost existential crisis.🌱
True
I agree with a good chunk of what u r saying but just a reminder
1. You arent the only person who knows what they are talking about
2. You havent heard what you havent heard.
Still respect the effort
I think he needs to attend axpona in 2025, and do a good walk around to see other speakers there
I use Arcan Muso mini bookshelf and the Logo subwoofer x-over 90Hz. They have been designed to work together. Redecorated my house so working on fixing the room acoustics to stop reflections. Hard wood/laminate floors do not help
do you think with one subwoofer could be enough tho to not expend that much money?
yesh
Some time ago you said that stereo sub is not a thing when I pointed that out. I'm glad you changed idea. ❤
i mean, the subs playing in stereo vs mono still barely matters, but it matters more for higher crossover
a deep dive into room treatment would be nice
Truuue
Just earlier today I finally got my 2 subs (SVS SB-2000) to complete my setup (got KH 120 ii and miniDSP flex a couple of months ago) and really want a tutorial on how to time and volume align + EQ everything. If there's anything you can offer to help I would greatly appreciate it.
Bring back the hater type shi content "don't buy X, it's trash"
jk, 2025 is all professionalism, creativity and audio industry elevation. Bigger things are coming, peqdb will be generational. It's inevitable
Yeah
exactly
I mean you set the crossover usually at 70-80hz to make the sub disappear, at higher frequencies directionality comes in to play. You're not entirely wrong on driver size, the SPL you get from smaller drivers is just not enough to properly serve the sub bass regio. A lot of sub-bass immersion comes from physically feeling vibrations, rather than hearing them (especially sub 20 which we can't hear at all). This is where headphones fail because you don't feel the vibrations through your body, even if the frequency response is there. Wearable subwoofers exist to achieve this without upsetting the entire neighborhood.
Though time-aligning such a huge driver through it's entire frequency response to a much smaller driver is no easy feat. You can do a lot with DSP, but the better solution would be to have 2 smaller subwoofers for bass-extension for your bookshelves, and a single larger driver with enough SPL to fill your room for the lower sub-bass region, since directionality doesn't matter at this frequency. You can add more subs for bass management to improve things further, since with sub bass the difference in oscilations at different frequencies can be quite large. You could also go for towers without bass extension subwoofers, but with towers you again have more directional awareness and thus not as good of a performance with imaging and again more drivers that can be misaligned, with potentially no way to fix it if it only has a single input and no crossover bypass.
You are near-field, so these issues come less in to play. It's important to understand no universal solutions exist when it comes to types of speakers, placement, bass management, etc. It all depends on your room. With that in mind, Neumann headphones are aimed at the studio and not the home, so they are purely analytical tools. Bass immersion is not what is the goal here, rather to make sure there aren't any nasty sounds hidden in those lower regions for when the song is played back at a soundsystem that does support these frequencies.
70 Hz crossover is trash. Just have the subwoofers positioned for stereo
Thanks for taking on board my advice to talk a bit slower in your videos
On the other hand it's now your fiduciary responsibility so I guess there are give and take in life
Don’t you cross over your sub to mach your speakers I find if I have my sub on 95 to 100hz it stands out and I can pinpoint it vocals start to leek out of sub and it stops blending with my main speakers
you high pass mains and low pass subs. you can even go up to 200 Hz
I got the kh150s because bigger number better number bigger better and lastly better bigger number but mostly it’s just me not wanting to get another two subs as I already have an elac I can’t get rid of and I don’t want another similar sub because it only goes down to 30hz 😢 it’s hard to sell off hifi in the third world
It's all about the trade off between two things. SPL and extension.
Should I buy Genelec 8341A
no
@sharuraudio Why
@@CammyFi overrated, more constant directivity designs like the genelec one's sound too bright, just buy neummans like chads do
@@CammyFi not important. kh120ii crossover is already phase linear and the on-axis response is flat
@@sharuraudioShould I keep 8030c and buy a MiniDSP and 20 subwoofers?
what are good floorstanding speakers
According to spinorama dot org:
Ascend Acoustics
ELX Ribbon Tower / Neuman KH 420 as two examples of good floorstanders…
@@Hitsujiomeguruboken isnt the kh 420 a monitor?
floorstanding speakers are pointless
I also think the cost of these "audiophile subs" like the Genelec and whatnot are complete waste of $$$
Brands like Perlisten, new SVS 17 series, PSA, HSU make phenomenal subs for the money and they measure extremely well too.
Your mic is so crisp. What is it, if you don't mind sharing?
sennheiser mkh8020
@@sharuraudiothank you 🙏
Sharur, wait till you try omnidirectionals or dipole. Bigger soundstage than a box speaker where all it has going for it is frequency response
nah, box speakers are good, but the next step is just adding more than 2 speakers
Flush mounted kh420s are the best speakers in the world.
kh150 is better
what subs are you using?
Monoprice SW-15
@@sharuraudio great value
There could've been a sound demos in this video
my neighbors dont appreciate subwoofers ;(
What headphones do you like besides lcd 5
HiFiMAN Arya Unveiled
try dan clark e3
Amazing acting, perhaps you could teach it instead of studying audi
discord link is invalid
it's not
@@sharuraudio my fault it was on my pc for some reason
Its about the Aura fr
KH420 + KH870 is high aura
KH80 + giga subs looks like Shaquille O'Neal and his gf no one will take u seriously in studios
PEQdB has the final say in studio equipment
You should cross your subs as low as possible. I cross mine at 55Hz. Bass should be felt no heard.
there isn't much to feel with a 55 Hz crossover
@@Tensentities this is completely pointless when you can high pass the monitors with DSP
Bass should be felt and heard. What makes you think you shouldn’t hear bass?
Oh dear. Now you have some talent there but you need to stop and think about what you are saying before you get really sued.
truth
Wait until you learn about room acoustics and treating rooms.
i already know all this lol
wtf