@@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632 it does matter when she’s very vocal about her political views in her music. also not every artist is letting antisemitic people spit antisemitic things on their songs😭
It matters when her whole catalogue and public image thus far has been built upon being a revolutionary, where she actively criticizes others for not doing it well enough
@@samuelellis9051 her music is for black ppl to uplift us it talks about African spirituality and black issues your community isn’t her target audience and you all never cancel any anti black Jewish ppl or any Jewish person who’s worked with someone anti black so miss me with that. Lastly what on the song was antisemitism? Because y’all will say anything is antisemitism
@@shaunpigment her brand is being a black revolutionary her music talks about African spirituality and black ppl she not a revolutionary for other communities stop putting that on her.
Couple other things: 1) She criticized other black artist like J. Cole for not being vocal enough during the height of the BLM protests. After the incident and trading diss tracks with him; she tweeted “I’m no longer interested in proving myself to an internet that will cannibalize the vulnerability of those who choose to publicly learn.“ 2) Noname is very anticapitalist. She dissed Jay-Z in the song “Namesake” and called him out for his relationship with the NFL… and has a song about 3 tracks earlier with Jay Electronica who besides making the antisemitic remarks, also worked with Jay-Z very closely on his album “A Written Testimony” (Jay-Z is on like 80% of that album) and was released through Roc Nation. So basically; she’s stated that she doesn’t want to take criticism from people on the internet and then doubles down on that for antisemitic bars that she allowed on her song. She also is obviously not open to learning publicly given her response to the situation. And she chooses to work with and defend someone who not only has made other antisemitic remarks in the past, but has also worked closely with someone who she criticized on the album and goes against her own anticapitalist views.
@@TKOTDtvMusic lol that’s cool. It’s still racist whether you care or not. More or less pointing out other hypocrisies of hers that make the situations weirder. The stuff with Jay-Z contradicts her anticapitalist views and the stuff with J. Cole contradicts her desire to grow and learn from the public. Me personally; I don’t back hypocritical antisemites but go off man ✌🏻
I really dislike the notion that this was done to push away white fans bc it contains the implicit assumption that black ppl would be cool with Jay elec's antisemitism which is really weird to me
also not all Jews are white skinned😭 like some of us are brown black ect, I myself am Jewish and brown skinned (of Iraqi descent), conflating Judaism with whiteness is itself anti semitism, especially considering how even white skinned European Jews were historically racialized, excluded and genocided
noname appears to be going the dave chappelle route of loudly proclaiming their own self-awareness & virtuousness, calling out others for not living up to their own standard of virtuousness, and then refusing to take any criticism when called into question. i don't like how "virtue signalling" has become a oversaturated & meaningless accusation, but this is literally it.
Internet culture in general has a way of taking things that were once more complex and meaningful... and relegating them to mere kite shields for nihilism. On one end, it fills a void for people who feel alone... but on the other end, it's about exposure and social status. Both figures and audiences are brought closer to meaninglessness by the exchanges. I kinda think it's bigger than many people appreciate at this point. Nietzsche said "God is Dead." just before the dawn of the 20th century because that was a post-religious-hegemony age... a time when the religious institutions that dominated societies had fallen off, secularism took hold, and people were falling into meaninglessness, now living without the values (and institutions that supported their impact) which once made things in the world 'real' and meaningful for them. We are going through that again, where past values aren't working for people anymore, and new values are in a hurry to take their place. I think this is ultimately good, the same way losing religious hegemony was good at the dawn of the modern age. It's just that in the wake, you get a lot of people drifting who contribute to a lot of senseless pain that makes the whole transition take longer and include fewer people. A lot of people did not adapt well when they lost sight of meaning within their own internal value systems, which crumbled along with the things that supported them. He postulated that they couldn't live as their genuine selves with dead external values taking the place of living internal ones, like they were basically their own worst enemies by deluding themselves in order to not face the reality that their beliefs are without meaning or substance for they themselves. We all have that experience of trying to find external things to latch those beliefs onto and coming up short. When people see their own values slipping from the world, they panic. It's an existential threat. A lot of adults see that experience as immaturity, something for teenagers to 'pass through' and never revisit... and so they pretend they don't feel it, or rationalize it as something other than a genuine crisis of values and meaning. And it only makes them worse people. You get people with maximum confidence in value systems that don't actually function, having too many contradictions that the person holding them can't see because they don't meet that dissonance at the source. By espousing their virtues, they put it on others to do it for them. For enough people to accept them that they can convince themselves this is who they really are. The dissonance then gets projected onto any perceived opposition. That inner doubt they feel is not THEM, it's their haters... in their worlds, anyway. I think people are once again "losing their religions" and it's making them willing to engage in a lot more nihilistic shit... play more of these games and in doing so, actively corrode once meaningful acts and social institutions. A lot of people are just walking around out there, taking on whatever beliefs make them feel like there's meaning in the world around them, and it's something that they too hold. But deep down inside, a lot of them can't fully commit, don't really believe it... just don't want to face the void and build for real. Hence their beliefs are like kite shields. For a regular person, this tends to amount to following the wrong figures. And for the figures, it amounts to being someone who lacks the substance of heart to truly lead the lost. And neither of them are privy to that truth, stuck guarding the holes in their own chests. SO much destruction is born from this. It's gotten hard to watch. I think the internet fuels it, by ultimately taking every genuine human thought and emotion expressed into it, and routing it to be mere fodder for content cycles. It's long since rubbed off on the real world, too... I tend to think. I feel the same about dumb things people do to get engagement on TikTok, or over here on shorts. That's that saaaammmeeee emptiness in thought and expression that sadly characterizes the times we live in. It trickles all the way up to the highest values expressed in our society, lots of empty words for all of the empty people looking for a sense of having meaning and belonging in a world that is becoming increasingly hostile and alienating to almost every kind of person.
Yet another incredibly talented artist who is extremely unlikeable. Legit love all of her work but she's built her entire career on being socially aware and anti-oppression. All of her recent antics just make her look like a total hypocrite who can't take criticism.
It’s so annoying because shes brilliant but she is literally unbearable at this point she can’t choose to be morally consistent to save her life it’s exhausting
Sucks cause she can rap if she took her head out of her ass for once & realized J Cole was right she could actually make a good album & it being received well….even Kendrick realized he was wrong on TPAB as much as he wanted to he’s not a saviour he’s an extremely flawed man but the fact that he’s able to criticize himself is why Kendrick’s music is loved while nobody really likes no name she criticizes everyone but herself…Kendrick & Cole were already top rappers they didn’t need to make social commentary in their music they did it cause they care not out of guilt & responsibility which is what she tried to put on them….a good example of a female rapper that’s actually able to be self aware enough to know she’s not perfect : little simz
There are Jews of color out there bro, I feel if you have beef with your white fans then going after them directly is more effective than attacking Jews. Maybe this is a case of me not getting it cause of my background, but I can't appreciate the frustration given the people she's hurt without any clear remorse. I'm pretty disappointed with the noise and people around this album too. Pitchfork gave it a rave review and essentially glossed over Jay's verse. Saba produced the fucking track and Smino is posting it on Instagram saying it restores order. Is know one out here asking the difficult questions to people like this?
I feel it goes back to our history being told by Europeans, about Europeans. Ultimately, antisemitism being as retarded as ever, Jewish-Americans have the unique position of having suffered atrocity similar to chattel slavery; Yet through no fault of their own having to emigrate to the land where Hitler got most of his ideas from and survive at the expense of POC living in conditions Adolf Hitler would also call "the ghettos" in Germany. That's the look for any American that doesn't get their entire understanding of the Holocaust from "Schindler's List" exclusively. Hell of a pill to swallow.
Some massive hypocrite vibes coming from her. It not even like Jay Elec is hiding these views and it got exposed. Jay saying on the track and she tho it was good to add in.
@@robbiedontmissblack women haven’t had the slightest advantage on any other group of people in thousands of years. So a verse like that would make no sense.
@@nickjones5495 What does that have to do with anything? My point is that Noname agrees with him because if he released a verse about a topic she actually cared about, she would have removed it.
@@robbiedontmiss because we’re living in reality no? What’s the point of coming up with a hypothetical that’s never happened and won’t happen lol Jay Electrics verse can actually spark a conversation even though he’s on the extreme. Your hypothetical holds no substance
If someone hates you for something you cannot control (like being born) they are projecting their own hatred and misery on to you and you do not need to absorb it anymore they you’re going to naturally. Fuck the haters, love and be loved
What cements her as full of it was her bringing up other rappers working with Jay as if the issue was the verse and not the lack of consistency on her part. That’s why other rappers didn’t get the pushback. You wanna hang your hat on morals, politics, and calling other people out, you better be consistent in your own. She’s talented but couldn’t be ideologically consistent if her life depended on it.
That’s the worst part ! She’s actually talented & if she could just stop getting in her own way her message could actually have an impact…she can rap but she’s definitely spent too much time on social media like twitter which made her think she knows everything lol
Fair enough. Im very much politically opposed to this whole arc shes on but i think Shawn summed up my feelings on it pretty well: the frustration of pouring your soul into your art aimed at a specific target, to only realize that its both been misappropriated and the people consuming it both dont really understand what youre saying bc they lack the experience and are the historical group behind the very message youre opposing, yea that frustration is understandable. It becomes very problematic when you dont or cant asses the reason behind why that is and its the same trap every conspiracy theory falls to -they first recognize systemic failures, but rather than applying a systemic critique, they reach for often dangerous conspiracies that only harm everyone involved.
I do want to add though that there is a bit of a characteristic distinction between black antisemites/Hebrew Israelite types and standard white antisemites/neo nazis. Thats not to say one is better than the other but that the way they manifest are pretty different, despite the underlying logic often being very similar. Just pointing this out bc its almost always lost in the discourse
@@Runthemjewels I agree with your point, but at some level you have got to understand how your art is being interpreted if you are serious about, which I believe noname is. Sure no artist is responsible for every interpretation of their art, especially with ones that have no correlation to any social/cultural/etc. ties they may have personally. But jay electronica's verse is pretty cut and dry anti-semitic (imo). I get sticking to a concept especially that seems to have pretty significant ties to her community (I am asian) and her message, however, this seemed like a step too far.
This is exactly why I kept my mouth shut when the initial thing with J. Cole happened. I had a feeling she would end up slipping thru her career on her own slope.
@@joseluissantos9854exactly ! J Cole didn’t diss her he just made comments about the situation giving her advice just like that 1985 track wasn’t a diss either….I love that non confrontational approach Cole has one of the only rappers that actually acts his age
If she wanna attract a more predominantly black audience, switch up the sound of the music. But I don’t really rock with a lot of her views, her over-reliance on dogging other black artists for example. Those who are conveniently more successful then her and them taking advantage of certain perks allotted to them. Idk man she’s a lightening Rod
No name was wrong as hell, and I totally was on her side with the J Cole thing because he was acting hotepish but now the tables have turned. No name was wild for including Jay Adolfronica on his album because it’s hypocritical. No name went into hotep territory on this one.
@@carlreeses TL; DR: Noname called out black male rappers in general for upholding problematic systems of misogyny, capitalism, and white supremacy in general and J Cole made a whole diss track on her instead of recognizing the issue. No name didn’t diss J Cole in specific at all, but J Cole felt attacked. Regardless, she did apologize for fueling the flames instead of making the space better herself which is mostly out of her control, but it doesn’t help that she’s bringing Jay Electronica into the studio.
@@edgytypebeat781Nah she was wrong for coming after Cole because she disses him during BLM but Cole was actually out there while she was tweeting. She sits on a high horse but sits there and do the exact things she hate. Like that is why Tierra is better than Noname in every way.
@@MMALifestyle1972 She never mentioned Cole though lmao and how is she on a high horse if she also literally criticizes herself on the album? Also wtf does Tierra have to do with anything, not even in the same lane
@@schmuck.on.wheels Yeah they are actually. It is just Tierra is better. Also stop acting like subliminals don't exist. She ain't that slick. Also she knew the internet would take it and run with it.
@@gorliagirp7274 My belief is that someone who is closely aligned with afro pessimism will realize that there’s no real solidarity outside the black community, and the conditions that cause that afro pessimism don’t breed for very good people either, especially if we narrow it down to rappers specifically as well. Noname is smart enough to know she traded some of her values for comfort tho, I think like a lot of us she’s just tired of a shit ton of work and no change
@@kkronos_xb8505you kinda have to trade some those values tho. Unless you want to revolutionize yourself to death, you have to. People got bills to pay, people to feed, and people to love. The reason MLK and Malcom X are dead, the reason Assata Shakur was exiled, and the reason Kwame Ture had to flee America was because they refused to bend the knee. The reason the leaders of BLM and Farrakhan have mansions and such is because they did bend the knee. Kendrick is veering a little closer to starting to speak against the system, but rappers in general are beholden to the system. It’s less of a gravitation toward problematic people, and more of a nihilism that takes root in their mind giving them a “well let’s send it” mentality. It’s essentially Machiavellianism. You got to be made of sterner stuff and be willing to lose it all to be like the legends from the Civil Rights Era, or to be like Patrice Lumumba. I respect anyone willing to put themselves on the line but black parents already have enough to worry about trying to keep their kids alive in America. Their child becoming a vocal activist is just begging to move up their expiration date.
there are always this group of people who, because they are a part of a demographic that are indeed usually oppressed and marginalized, think they therefore can't EVER do no wrong.
He was comedian and he’s also Jewish so I’m sure it’s not just wordplay for its own sake. Plus, antisemitism and being a contrarian often leads to bootlicking for Russia, can’t prove if thats the case here though
damn is it really ai generated ? it was made by frank dorrey who did steve lacy’s album. i know he does his work on his phone but i can’t find nothing about him using ai
So let me get this straight Noname makes conscious thought provoking music which attract a conscious thought provoking fanbase. Then when she put something out that the predominately conscious fan base doesn't agree with. She says wow "Yall hear killing n**** all the time. But y'all can't handle a Jay Electronica verse" Newsflash they can't just like they don't agree with the rapping about killing because it doesn't ease their conscious. Like her fan base isn't predominantly gangbangers and street people, YG, G Herbo, or Lil Durk etc. So no they don't agree. Noname knew who she would arract through her music. Now Noname is also attracting the Alex Meyers 4chan conspiracy theorist all due to her recent comments and standing behind Electronica verse.
Her fan base is basically white people idk what she expected putting Jay elec on there lol 😅 she’s always been unable to take accountability for her own actions it’s always other people’s so that part doesn’t surprise me…but putting Jay elec who’s a known anti semetic when you know basically all your fans are white I mean she got what deserved on that one she should’ve known better
i remember seeing a deleted story or sum from her saying she “maybe did it to alienate her white fans”, also remember this was originally gonna be the lead single to the album.. it’s jus so weird
imagined being so divorced that you call yourself jaydolf spitler and write a verse that calls for genocide. genuinely outdoes elon musk for most divorced man award somehow
@@MrASAPAB edit: j cole never did this, ^^ this dudes just a massive dickrider whats it called? ill check it out also how does him doing the same thing despite having infinitely more success and power mean hes done more in one year than her entire life?
@@sfbeht7n459 it’s called the dreamville club/Fayetteville book club. And because of the fact that Cole doesn’t post on twitter when he does something good for props and doesn’t have elitism like Noname does who always thinks she’s right and can’t handle another opinion without lashing out on others.
is J Cole sending revolutionnary readings to our brothers and sisters in jail? one thing you can't take from Noname is her devotion to the black community. You just sound ignorant and im sorry for you
I'm certainly not reppin' for hatred of any kind, but I find it interesting the level of backlash that she's getting for trying to distance herself from Jay's drop on the album. As a queer female forever fan of hip hop, it hasn't always been easy to find artists who aren't promoting some form of hatred against women and/or the gay community. And even if you find one, it's likely at some point that a guest will drop some bars that turn your favorite record into some seriously hurt feelings. Even now the misogyny and homophobia is still pretty staggering. I don't think two wrongs make it right, but I just am sitting back watching a lot people clutching their pearls over disrespecting certain communities, while turning a totally blind eye to the fact that PLENTY of hip hop records encourage and support straight up violence against women and other minorities. It's kinda hypocritical if you ask me. You either grant artists license to hold and express whatever views they want, or you don't. Hatred isn't only damaging when it's directed at certain people.
I don’t know why we keep creating pedestals for humans that don’t want them. She constantly discusses her hypocrisy in her own life. Hope she figures it out and I hope we stop leveraging these incidents (particularly with women) to bash them. We’re human we fuck up. Call them out and move on. We got work to do.
We now live in a time where descendants of slaves have to apologize to descendants of slave owners for expressing how they feel. People are practically offended by their history like it doesn't hold weight to this day, contrary to what it is today rap has always been modern day slave music and having white fans sing the n word back to your face must be an insane feeling if you feel like your uplifting your own people.
The only thing I don't like about Noname and most leftists is their self righteousness. They put themselves on this crazy pedestal and when ppl find out they're imperfect just like everybody else they turn on them. Leftists have a hard time with understanding someone's humanity and their ability to make moral mistakes or have moral disagreements. This why ppl don't like leftists a lot of the time because it's like you can't fuck up or have a different opinion. Let's even say Noname knows Jay on a personal level and understands his views are nuanced, leftists wouldn't like it. People are now trying to invalidate all of her work based on this one thing, so unforgiving
BUT, in this case like I said Noname got her just desserts. Her self righteousness amplified the response. Cole and Kendrick don't put themselves up to this level, in fact Kendrick even rationalized his humanity and told us essentially for a whole album that he makes mistakes, a lot of em, moral or otherwise. You can shit on his world views (like Noname did) and it wouldn't hold real weight because he's told you he's imperfect and he's told you he has views that oppose yours. Let he without sin cast the first stone.
Those who are like "how can you listen to Jay Electronicas music??" Cuzzo you listen to niggas who kill other niggas. Let he without sin cast the first stone (x2). But what Jay said is crazy I can't lie lol. His verse was hard tho
Lastly I fw what she said and if it wasn't Noname I would heavily the support the story she posted. Sometimes niggas apologize for no reason. If you feel that way then feel it. Niggas will disagree with you regardless. In fact, I wish more ppl did this. Stand on what you believe and if you actually have a change of opinion, have enough integrity to own up to it.
I won’t lie, I actually agree. It’s kinda across the board on the left too. Many people forget the people they idolize were not paragons. They did and said problematic things. Leaders are not meant to be perfect, they step up to the plate when nobody else can. That being said, it would be a lot easier if they allowed themselves to be flawed instead of needing to attempt to be perfect paragons all the time that must do no wrong. The amount of times I straight up say “I didn’t know that” or “I don’t know, I’ll have to look into that later” is too many to count. If I genuinely don’t know anything about something, I just don’t need to speak on it. And if I feel the need to speak on it, I can always add the caveat that I’m not especially well versed and need to do some looking later.
The criticisms of Jay Electronica do not come from a lack of nuance. It isn't a case of him making one or two thoughtless comments and them being misconstrued by fans and news media. He has made his antisemitism crystal clear and outlined it in detail in his music.
I brought tickets for her but i didnt even go. After looking at how shes been acting and the hypocrisy shes been showing I just said forget it honestly
I personally think that everyone is overreacting. I don't think that Jay's verse was that problematic. Did he wish death on anyone? Has he committed a henious crime via rap??? If people don't like it then don't listen like Noname said. There are way worse things happening in the world.
This critique is ridiculous gotcha politics. No name is one of the few rappers who's trying to lend her voice to any worthwhile politics or political projects. She's free to take contradictory stances along the way, but most of the critiques seem engineered to snatch clout off of pointing those contradictions out. What matters is what you actually DO politically and where you send money, not what you think, who you hang with or even most of what you say. It's not wrong to acknowledge the contradictions but if one thinks they're a purer champion for working class black people then I think we would all welcome them stepping up by organizing or donating their time and money like no name does. The struggle can use all the help it can get.
Let’s get one thing straight jay elec is jay z’s puppet anything jay z wants to say but can’t because of his status & fame…he goes through jay elec to pass that message 😅
@@likehere3485 it's not about what she said on him or him, but what she has to say about the music industry and capitalism to a larger extent. nowadays everybody is calling out the music industry and it's TRUE to say that some rappers, actually most of em (mainstream) are apart of the problem, so it shouldn't be an issue for her to stand for her purpose, WE the audience need to get the homework done first
... y'all overhyped both of them. one day we gonna get back to remembering art isn't real and judge this for what it is... this much effort going into analyzing a song that, with or without the offensive bars... is below mid at best...this should no longer be the norm. if people would just stop fronting and admit that both noname and jay elec are more interesting in theory than on recordings, and realize any political commentary they have is largely based on 'what does this rhyme with?' we'll really understand how little we need to pay attention to these lyrics
Bro it’s weird that this man clearly has a problem with white ppl too, he’s literally talking about how he wouldn’t push his fans away after saying he wouldn’t want white fans because “he looks at them and knows they don’t get it” and that right there shows he puts all white ppl together and it doesn’t matter if you think differently from them. If you white you automatically wrong and I’m not even white and I feel the unnecessary hate when not all people speaks for the other ppl in the race, dude is so hypocritical when he wouldn’t want ppl talking about him like that
he hasn't said the n-word or any outright racist shit to my knowledge (i could be wrong) but he's outright admitted that his initial move into trap was basically just to get money and an audience and he gave zero shits about the art which. eh, not a fan and kind of patronising to a distinctly Black art form. kind of obvious when you look at his most recent album which is just a fun pop rock record, and honestly it was obvious back in the day with songs like white iverson or rockstar.
I know I’m not her general audience since I’m a white male, but I’ve always enjoyed and understood her message within her music AS WELL as enjoying the music sonically speaking, while also knowing that she has been vocal about white people whitewashing her message. Although those points are understandable and I have no right to talk on any of those points, I feel like I can’t simply enjoy her music even if I understand her mission and goal which is to bring light to the lingering white supremacy issue in the American culture as a whole.
love her album but the anti semitism in his verse is impossible to ignore and a sour note to a stellar project. i dont use social media so i had no idea other people actually listened to this project until i saw this video
Bruh. You haven’t even heard the verse and you’re labeling it antisemitic with them 💀 omg the internet is a crazy place. You can’t be going to Twitter/X for news anymore Sean
what tf did he say that was antisemitic? everyone is saying he’s attacking jews in almost every line but i really don’t see a single line that is actually antisemitic
Y’all listen to problematic people all the time get over it. Some of y’all still bumping Kanye and r Kelly or Kodak black what’s the difference. I think it’s dope she had him on the album then diss Jay z the next song.
The difference is she's made it her whole personality. Imagine if you found out Chance the Rapper was beating his wife after all that "I love my wife" shit. So it's harder to ignore.
That show that you were saying that Nick Cannon was on was from his own podcast. It was called Cannon’s Class. Jewish people were mad at Nick Cannon because he had Richard “Professor Griff” Griffin on his show. Professor Griff was the one who was saying the anti semitic comments on the show. That is what got Nick Cannon into trouble with the Jewish community
All the racist stuff people like Sara Silverman, Ben Shapiro, Donald Sterling, etc has said about Black people, I don't see them as individuals nor Jewish people in media jumping out the window to apologize to us on behalf of the Jewish community. And this isn't just a Jewish thing, this is common among many groups. Black people need to start treating other groups like they treat us. Stop apologizing and attacking other black people as a so called virtue signal.
Yeah true. If I’m being real, even a caliphate in the Arab world apologized on behalf of being the progenitors to race based slavery, apologizing to black people. America doesn’t even have a unified apology for the atrocities and human experimentation they did on black people, they kinda just say “move along”. It’d be a lot easier to have more love for other groups if black people got even a modicum of the good will people demand we give to them.
Why does this surprise anyone. Also I’m really tired of the antisemitic word. Like y’all really know wtf be going on in this world and how it’s ran but get mad when someone speaks on it😂
because Durk isn’t pretending to be some rap activist then getting angry with people calling out his hypocrisy. Not saying Durk isn’t super hypocritical about other shit too
@@ShawnCeeLIVE Noname's a activist challenging white supremacy and socialism.......I really don't think she gives a fuck that much about Jay Electronica going "my religion is better than yours and we're the real jews" I'm not necessarily a religious person so idrc and I doubt Noname does either, but his religion calls hostility towards Jews the same way Christianity calls hostility to gay people, black people, and Satanists. The same way Jews calls hostility to Palestinians. I personally don't see why this verse should be taken any more seriously than we take those hostilities that I just mentioned. But again, NONE of this has to do with Noname's agenda of dismantling white supremacy and capitalism to provide sustainable wages, food, education, and shelter to everyone through socialism. Maybe I'm just not understanding where a debate of petty religious wars works exclusively against that agenda.
In general I honestly feel like we as a community are attacking noname for no valide reasons, she is leading a genuine fight with genuine art and actions, as a black man I can do nothing but to support her, she is intelligent and way more cultivated than most of us let's just be honest 😂 but somehow even with so little knowledge we think we know everything. stay humble and seek for deeper understanding, this is no joke but a black women vs a whole industry, it's already biais no wonder why so many ppl do not even take the chance to understand her position
She could be the most educated person on earth. It all doesn’t mean nothing if she keeps about going herself in a scum - like manner and degrading people and throwing a tantrum at everyone who disagrees with her like an actual woman child. She needs attention, and she wants people to give her flowers. Actual leaders don’t crave attention. She’s a fraud.
This guilty by association thing is really wild. I don't know why black people are expected to be nice to everyone especially a group that benefits from white supremacy, 'minority' or not.
@@nh3028 that's what the man in the video and many of the people in the comments are trying to enforce. that because she has a dude with antisemitic opinions and keeps him on the album despite criticism that she supports antisemitism. but my point is why should the black community worry about those people's feelings, they'll be alright whether black folks like them or not.
I dont think they should, but a lot of that understanding comes down to history being told for Europe, by Europe. If we take a whole holistic view of history however, the Jewish role in America's story becomes more clear: It comes down to what Hitler did and what _he took and extrapolated from Jim Crow_ to accomplish.
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she’s basically saying “i don’t hate groups of people but i tolerate hate towards groups of people”
Girl her political views don’t matter she sells musics every artist is problematic
@@theghostofumarskoolishere.4632 it does matter when she’s very vocal about her political views in her music. also not every artist is letting antisemitic people spit antisemitic things on their songs😭
It matters when her whole catalogue and public image thus far has been built upon being a revolutionary, where she actively criticizes others for not doing it well enough
@@samuelellis9051 her music is for black ppl to uplift us it talks about African spirituality and black issues your community isn’t her target audience and you all never cancel any anti black Jewish ppl or any Jewish person who’s worked with someone anti black so miss me with that. Lastly what on the song was antisemitism? Because y’all will say anything is antisemitism
@@shaunpigment her brand is being a black revolutionary her music talks about African spirituality and black ppl she not a revolutionary for other communities stop putting that on her.
Couple other things:
1) She criticized other black artist like J. Cole for not being vocal enough during the height of the BLM protests. After the incident and trading diss tracks with him; she tweeted “I’m no longer interested in proving myself to an internet that will cannibalize the vulnerability of those who choose to publicly learn.“
2) Noname is very anticapitalist. She dissed Jay-Z in the song “Namesake” and called him out for his relationship with the NFL… and has a song about 3 tracks earlier with Jay Electronica who besides making the antisemitic remarks, also worked with Jay-Z very closely on his album “A Written Testimony” (Jay-Z is on like 80% of that album) and was released through Roc Nation.
So basically; she’s stated that she doesn’t want to take criticism from people on the internet and then doubles down on that for antisemitic bars that she allowed on her song. She also is obviously not open to learning publicly given her response to the situation.
And she chooses to work with and defend someone who not only has made other antisemitic remarks in the past, but has also worked closely with someone who she criticized on the album and goes against her own anticapitalist views.
@@TKOTDtvMusicbecause white people see black people being racist and it fuels them to do the same x
@@TKOTDtvMusicPretty much this lmao. That whole comment was weird.
@@TKOTDtvMusic
“Couple of other things”
*Reading comprehension 0*
@@TKOTDtvMusic lol that’s cool. It’s still racist whether you care or not. More or less pointing out other hypocrisies of hers that make the situations weirder. The stuff with Jay-Z contradicts her anticapitalist views and the stuff with J. Cole contradicts her desire to grow and learn from the public. Me personally; I don’t back hypocritical antisemites but go off man ✌🏻
She's so anti capitalist that she sells her album and charges for concert tickets
Right righf
I really dislike the notion that this was done to push away white fans bc it contains the implicit assumption that black ppl would be cool with Jay elec's antisemitism which is really weird to me
also not all Jews are white skinned😭 like some of us are brown black ect, I myself am Jewish and brown skinned (of Iraqi descent), conflating Judaism with whiteness is itself anti semitism, especially considering how even white skinned European Jews were historically racialized, excluded and genocided
@@marspower1288 True!!
@@marspower1288but 90% of y’all identify as white 😂
Black people don't care about non anti-black isms as much as white people. Generally speaking.
@@marspower1288they doing fine in israel
noname appears to be going the dave chappelle route of loudly proclaiming their own self-awareness & virtuousness, calling out others for not living up to their own standard of virtuousness, and then refusing to take any criticism when called into question.
i don't like how "virtue signalling" has become a oversaturated & meaningless accusation, but this is literally it.
Internet culture in general has a way of taking things that were once more complex and meaningful... and relegating them to mere kite shields for nihilism. On one end, it fills a void for people who feel alone... but on the other end, it's about exposure and social status. Both figures and audiences are brought closer to meaninglessness by the exchanges.
I kinda think it's bigger than many people appreciate at this point. Nietzsche said "God is Dead." just before the dawn of the 20th century because that was a post-religious-hegemony age... a time when the religious institutions that dominated societies had fallen off, secularism took hold, and people were falling into meaninglessness, now living without the values (and institutions that supported their impact) which once made things in the world 'real' and meaningful for them. We are going through that again, where past values aren't working for people anymore, and new values are in a hurry to take their place. I think this is ultimately good, the same way losing religious hegemony was good at the dawn of the modern age. It's just that in the wake, you get a lot of people drifting who contribute to a lot of senseless pain that makes the whole transition take longer and include fewer people.
A lot of people did not adapt well when they lost sight of meaning within their own internal value systems, which crumbled along with the things that supported them. He postulated that they couldn't live as their genuine selves with dead external values taking the place of living internal ones, like they were basically their own worst enemies by deluding themselves in order to not face the reality that their beliefs are without meaning or substance for they themselves. We all have that experience of trying to find external things to latch those beliefs onto and coming up short. When people see their own values slipping from the world, they panic. It's an existential threat. A lot of adults see that experience as immaturity, something for teenagers to 'pass through' and never revisit... and so they pretend they don't feel it, or rationalize it as something other than a genuine crisis of values and meaning. And it only makes them worse people. You get people with maximum confidence in value systems that don't actually function, having too many contradictions that the person holding them can't see because they don't meet that dissonance at the source. By espousing their virtues, they put it on others to do it for them. For enough people to accept them that they can convince themselves this is who they really are. The dissonance then gets projected onto any perceived opposition. That inner doubt they feel is not THEM, it's their haters... in their worlds, anyway.
I think people are once again "losing their religions" and it's making them willing to engage in a lot more nihilistic shit... play more of these games and in doing so, actively corrode once meaningful acts and social institutions. A lot of people are just walking around out there, taking on whatever beliefs make them feel like there's meaning in the world around them, and it's something that they too hold. But deep down inside, a lot of them can't fully commit, don't really believe it... just don't want to face the void and build for real. Hence their beliefs are like kite shields. For a regular person, this tends to amount to following the wrong figures. And for the figures, it amounts to being someone who lacks the substance of heart to truly lead the lost. And neither of them are privy to that truth, stuck guarding the holes in their own chests. SO much destruction is born from this. It's gotten hard to watch.
I think the internet fuels it, by ultimately taking every genuine human thought and emotion expressed into it, and routing it to be mere fodder for content cycles. It's long since rubbed off on the real world, too... I tend to think. I feel the same about dumb things people do to get engagement on TikTok, or over here on shorts. That's that saaaammmeeee emptiness in thought and expression that sadly characterizes the times we live in. It trickles all the way up to the highest values expressed in our society, lots of empty words for all of the empty people looking for a sense of having meaning and belonging in a world that is becoming increasingly hostile and alienating to almost every kind of person.
Yet another incredibly talented artist who is extremely unlikeable. Legit love all of her work but she's built her entire career on being socially aware and anti-oppression. All of her recent antics just make her look like a total hypocrite who can't take criticism.
It’s so annoying because shes brilliant but she is literally unbearable at this point she can’t choose to be morally consistent to save her life it’s exhausting
@@chriscarey2767 to me it looks like she’s trying to blatantly ostracize not even just white people, but fxcking everyone 💀
@@DdW215noname's annoying but we're not gonna act like she doesn't make consistently good music
A lot of people unfortunately use leftism as a facade for their actual beliefs: selfishness. She only cares about oppression when it effects HER.
@@bigsoulstar its mid. shes a Ka copycat
She called those complaning months back at an album release party as "woke".. she is a lost cause.
she became one of those twitter users, i hate to see it
Sucks cause she can rap if she took her head out of her ass for once & realized J Cole was right she could actually make a good album & it being received well….even Kendrick realized he was wrong on TPAB as much as he wanted to he’s not a saviour he’s an extremely flawed man but the fact that he’s able to criticize himself is why Kendrick’s music is loved while nobody really likes no name she criticizes everyone but herself…Kendrick & Cole were already top rappers they didn’t need to make social commentary in their music they did it cause they care not out of guilt & responsibility which is what she tried to put on them….a good example of a female rapper that’s actually able to be self aware enough to know she’s not perfect : little simz
There are Jews of color out there bro, I feel if you have beef with your white fans then going after them directly is more effective than attacking Jews. Maybe this is a case of me not getting it cause of my background, but I can't appreciate the frustration given the people she's hurt without any clear remorse. I'm pretty disappointed with the noise and people around this album too. Pitchfork gave it a rave review and essentially glossed over Jay's verse. Saba produced the fucking track and Smino is posting it on Instagram saying it restores order. Is know one out here asking the difficult questions to people like this?
This.
as a brown Iraqi-Jewish person, I feel you...
I feel it goes back to our history being told by Europeans, about Europeans.
Ultimately, antisemitism being as retarded as ever, Jewish-Americans have the unique position of having suffered atrocity similar to chattel slavery; Yet through no fault of their own having to emigrate to the land where Hitler got most of his ideas from and survive at the expense of POC living in conditions Adolf Hitler would also call "the ghettos" in Germany.
That's the look for any American that doesn't get their entire understanding of the Holocaust from "Schindler's List" exclusively.
Hell of a pill to swallow.
@@marspower1288Lmao your people own everything
Um..going after white pol just for being white is bad too. Wtf?
Some massive hypocrite vibes coming from her. It not even like Jay Elec is hiding these views and it got exposed. Jay saying on the track and she tho it was good to add in.
I guarantee you, if he made a verse shitting on black women or praising capitalism, she would've removed that verse with the quickness
@@robbiedontmissblack women haven’t had the slightest advantage on any other group of people in thousands of years. So a verse like that would make no sense.
@@nickjones5495you get it.
@@nickjones5495 What does that have to do with anything? My point is that Noname agrees with him because if he released a verse about a topic she actually cared about, she would have removed it.
@@robbiedontmiss because we’re living in reality no? What’s the point of coming up with a hypothetical that’s never happened and won’t happen lol Jay Electrics verse can actually spark a conversation even though he’s on the extreme. Your hypothetical holds no substance
If someone hates you for something you cannot control (like being born) they are projecting their own hatred and misery on to you and you do not need to absorb it anymore they you’re going to naturally. Fuck the haters, love and be loved
Jack Harlow stay catching strays😂
She is extremely antagonistic
She has issues she should speak to a therapist
That’s what rap is right. Antagonist against the system but I wouldn’t expect y’all to know this because you’re all white
What cements her as full of it was her bringing up other rappers working with Jay as if the issue was the verse and not the lack of consistency on her part. That’s why other rappers didn’t get the pushback. You wanna hang your hat on morals, politics, and calling other people out, you better be consistent in your own. She’s talented but couldn’t be ideologically consistent if her life depended on it.
That’s the worst part ! She’s actually talented & if she could just stop getting in her own way her message could actually have an impact…she can rap but she’s definitely spent too much time on social media like twitter which made her think she knows everything lol
@@giovannidejoie8618i responded to you, learned something’s, deleted it bc you’re absolutely right in your conclusion dude.
I could never really get into noname, but I always thought she was talented. However, this has completely put me off from ever listening to her music.
Same but I was never interested in getting into her music to begin with. This changed nothing for me lol
Fair enough. Im very much politically opposed to this whole arc shes on but i think Shawn summed up my feelings on it pretty well: the frustration of pouring your soul into your art aimed at a specific target, to only realize that its both been misappropriated and the people consuming it both dont really understand what youre saying bc they lack the experience and are the historical group behind the very message youre opposing, yea that frustration is understandable. It becomes very problematic when you dont or cant asses the reason behind why that is and its the same trap every conspiracy theory falls to -they first recognize systemic failures, but rather than applying a systemic critique, they reach for often dangerous conspiracies that only harm everyone involved.
I do want to add though that there is a bit of a characteristic distinction between black antisemites/Hebrew Israelite types and standard white antisemites/neo nazis. Thats not to say one is better than the other but that the way they manifest are pretty different, despite the underlying logic often being very similar. Just pointing this out bc its almost always lost in the discourse
@@Runthemjewels I agree with your point, but at some level you have got to understand how your art is being interpreted if you are serious about, which I believe noname is. Sure no artist is responsible for every interpretation of their art, especially with ones that have no correlation to any social/cultural/etc. ties they may have personally. But jay electronica's verse is pretty cut and dry anti-semitic (imo). I get sticking to a concept especially that seems to have pretty significant ties to her community (I am asian) and her message, however, this seemed like a step too far.
@Runthemjewels What's the distinction, beyond appearance of course?
This is exactly why I kept my mouth shut when the initial thing with J. Cole happened. I had a feeling she would end up slipping thru her career on her own slope.
Quite the foresight
J cole tried to warn her and look what happened
@@joseluissantos9854exactly ! J Cole didn’t diss her he just made comments about the situation giving her advice just like that 1985 track wasn’t a diss either….I love that non confrontational approach Cole has one of the only rappers that actually acts his age
Cole working with Kodak duck rida😅😅😅😅
Saying you’re against white supremacy and then going on to include a verse full of hate towards a minority group is extremely hypocritical imo
they're a minority? genuine question ngl.
@@count1ndown534 there’s only 16 million of us (0.2% of the world) so yea we are lol
@@blockayethe2nd220 m'kay
@@count1ndown534why else do you think they experienced a genoc1de?
Who’s the minority??
If she wanna attract a more predominantly black audience, switch up the sound of the music. But I don’t really rock with a lot of her views, her over-reliance on dogging other black artists for example. Those who are conveniently more successful then her and them taking advantage of certain perks allotted to them. Idk man she’s a lightening Rod
shes gonna be on fox talking about how Woke Culture is canceling her in like a week
Shawn quickly becoming my favorite content creator
I hate her album cover so much, that image makes my soul crawl.
No name was wrong as hell, and I totally was on her side with the J Cole thing because he was acting hotepish but now the tables have turned. No name was wild for including Jay Adolfronica on his album because it’s hypocritical. No name went into hotep territory on this one.
@@carlreeses TL; DR: Noname called out black male rappers in general for upholding problematic systems of misogyny, capitalism, and white supremacy in general and J Cole made a whole diss track on her instead of recognizing the issue. No name didn’t diss J Cole in specific at all, but J Cole felt attacked. Regardless, she did apologize for fueling the flames instead of making the space better herself which is mostly out of her control, but it doesn’t help that she’s bringing Jay Electronica into the studio.
@@edgytypebeat781Nah she was wrong for coming after Cole because she disses him during BLM but Cole was actually out there while she was tweeting. She sits on a high horse but sits there and do the exact things she hate. Like that is why Tierra is better than Noname in every way.
@@MMALifestyle1972 She never mentioned Cole though lmao and how is she on a high horse if she also literally criticizes herself on the album? Also wtf does Tierra have to do with anything, not even in the same lane
@@schmuck.on.wheels Yeah they are actually. It is just Tierra is better. Also stop acting like subliminals don't exist. She ain't that slick. Also she knew the internet would take it and run with it.
No name is about her brand she’s not trying to be a hoetep she’s doing what’s best for her career.
Noname really doesn't get it. It's crazy.
Nobody cares about the racist zionists who like hiphop and get rich from. Cry
I think a better conversation to have around this is why even socially aware black people gravitate towards problematic people
Because problematic doesnt equate to being dumb. Many problematic artists and people in general are brilliant at what they do.
@@gorliagirp7274 My belief is that someone who is closely aligned with afro pessimism will realize that there’s no real solidarity outside the black community, and the conditions that cause that afro pessimism don’t breed for very good people either, especially if we narrow it down to rappers specifically as well. Noname is smart enough to know she traded some of her values for comfort tho, I think like a lot of us she’s just tired of a shit ton of work and no change
@@kkronos_xb8505 Valid
@@kkronos_xb8505you kinda have to trade some those values tho. Unless you want to revolutionize yourself to death, you have to.
People got bills to pay, people to feed, and people to love. The reason MLK and Malcom X are dead, the reason Assata Shakur was exiled, and the reason Kwame Ture had to flee America was because they refused to bend the knee. The reason the leaders of BLM and Farrakhan have mansions and such is because they did bend the knee. Kendrick is veering a little closer to starting to speak against the system, but rappers in general are beholden to the system. It’s less of a gravitation toward problematic people, and more of a nihilism that takes root in their mind giving them a “well let’s send it” mentality. It’s essentially Machiavellianism.
You got to be made of sterner stuff and be willing to lose it all to be like the legends from the Civil Rights Era, or to be like Patrice Lumumba. I respect anyone willing to put themselves on the line but black parents already have enough to worry about trying to keep their kids alive in America. Their child becoming a vocal activist is just begging to move up their expiration date.
Black communities are notoriously anti-Semitic
Doja cat, Noname, what is with this unorthodox and creative black women who are very talented, being extremely unlikeable people
Doja cat is not black
@@BigMoney398 yes she is
@@biofvzz do you have eyes or no?
@@BigMoney398 for you to be so ignorant that you think ethnicity is definitively based on wether or not you see it is so dumb
there are always this group of people who, because they are a part of a demographic that are indeed usually oppressed and marginalized, think they therefore can't EVER do no wrong.
"A joke like zielenski" because zielinski is/ was an actual comedian
He was comedian and he’s also Jewish so I’m sure it’s not just wordplay for its own sake. Plus, antisemitism and being a contrarian often leads to bootlicking for Russia, can’t prove if thats the case here though
noname is the defintion of a victim don't look up to victims
She was wrong for that goofy ass album cover. LOVED the album tho lol
Can you explain why its bad? (Other than looking really weird)
How is it wrong?
@@khailils446 I’m all for weird, but it comes off as lazy (which she’s not) since it’s ai generated.
@@jthomas2345Using AI for album art is really whack and lazy, and it looks like dogshit, so I agree with you completely
damn is it really ai generated ? it was made by frank dorrey who did steve lacy’s album. i know he does his work on his phone but i can’t find nothing about him using ai
She’s been a cornball tbh, her attempted slander of jcole was the solidifying moment.
Facts lmao like who disses j cole smh she was feeling herself
@@greg20423 j cole isn't above criticsm lmao
So let me get this straight Noname makes conscious thought provoking music which attract a conscious thought provoking fanbase. Then when she put something out that the predominately conscious fan base doesn't agree with. She says wow "Yall hear killing n**** all the time. But y'all can't handle a Jay Electronica verse" Newsflash they can't just like they don't agree with the rapping about killing because it doesn't ease their conscious. Like her fan base isn't predominantly gangbangers and street people, YG, G Herbo, or Lil Durk etc. So no they don't agree. Noname knew who she would arract through her music. Now Noname is also attracting the Alex Meyers 4chan conspiracy theorist all due to her recent comments and standing behind Electronica verse.
Her fan base is basically white people idk what she expected putting Jay elec on there lol 😅 she’s always been unable to take accountability for her own actions it’s always other people’s so that part doesn’t surprise me…but putting Jay elec who’s a known anti semetic when you know basically all your fans are white I mean she got what deserved on that one she should’ve known better
I Wonder why Spotify reccomended me this song when i had never known about her
Yeah she’s annoying
i remember seeing a deleted story or sum from her saying she “maybe did it to alienate her white fans”, also remember this was originally gonna be the lead single to the album.. it’s jus so weird
She’s weird
Bro been butthurt over Kate Rothschild for years now
imagined being so divorced that you call yourself jaydolf spitler and write a verse that calls for genocide. genuinely outdoes elon musk for most divorced man award somehow
@@smidlem1117cringe
J Cole has done more for black people in one year than no name will ever do in her entire life.
she literally opened a whole ass library in LA centered around Black history and revolutionary writings... what are you even saying...
@@sfbeht7n459 and Cole did the same thing in his hometown. You know that right?
@@MrASAPAB edit: j cole never did this, ^^ this dudes just a massive dickrider
whats it called? ill check it out
also how does him doing the same thing despite having infinitely more success and power mean hes done more in one year than her entire life?
@@sfbeht7n459 it’s called the dreamville club/Fayetteville book club. And because of the fact that Cole doesn’t post on twitter when he does something good for props and doesn’t have elitism like Noname does who always thinks she’s right and can’t handle another opinion without lashing out on others.
is J Cole sending revolutionnary readings to our brothers and sisters in jail? one thing you can't take from Noname is her devotion to the black community. You just sound ignorant and im sorry for you
Common ceeman W
I'm certainly not reppin' for hatred of any kind, but I find it interesting the level of backlash that she's getting for trying to distance herself from Jay's drop on the album. As a queer female forever fan of hip hop, it hasn't always been easy to find artists who aren't promoting some form of hatred against women and/or the gay community. And even if you find one, it's likely at some point that a guest will drop some bars that turn your favorite record into some seriously hurt feelings. Even now the misogyny and homophobia is still pretty staggering. I don't think two wrongs make it right, but I just am sitting back watching a lot people clutching their pearls over disrespecting certain communities, while turning a totally blind eye to the fact that PLENTY of hip hop records encourage and support straight up violence against women and other minorities. It's kinda hypocritical if you ask me. You either grant artists license to hold and express whatever views they want, or you don't. Hatred isn't only damaging when it's directed at certain people.
I don’t know why we keep creating pedestals for humans that don’t want them. She constantly discusses her hypocrisy in her own life. Hope she figures it out and I hope we stop leveraging these incidents (particularly with women) to bash them. We’re human we fuck up. Call them out and move on. We got work to do.
We now live in a time where descendants of slaves have to apologize to descendants of slave owners for expressing how they feel. People are practically offended by their history like it doesn't hold weight to this day, contrary to what it is today rap has always been modern day slave music and having white fans sing the n word back to your face must be an insane feeling if you feel like your uplifting your own people.
jews arent descendants of slave owners. they are also descendants of slaves
@@nh3028 Jews dominated the slave trade actually
Shawn Cee you probably still support Jay Z though who believes in the same things as Jay Elec. hypocrite
The only thing I don't like about Noname and most leftists is their self righteousness. They put themselves on this crazy pedestal and when ppl find out they're imperfect just like everybody else they turn on them. Leftists have a hard time with understanding someone's humanity and their ability to make moral mistakes or have moral disagreements. This why ppl don't like leftists a lot of the time because it's like you can't fuck up or have a different opinion. Let's even say Noname knows Jay on a personal level and understands his views are nuanced, leftists wouldn't like it. People are now trying to invalidate all of her work based on this one thing, so unforgiving
BUT, in this case like I said Noname got her just desserts. Her self righteousness amplified the response. Cole and Kendrick don't put themselves up to this level, in fact Kendrick even rationalized his humanity and told us essentially for a whole album that he makes mistakes, a lot of em, moral or otherwise. You can shit on his world views (like Noname did) and it wouldn't hold real weight because he's told you he's imperfect and he's told you he has views that oppose yours. Let he without sin cast the first stone.
Those who are like "how can you listen to Jay Electronicas music??" Cuzzo you listen to niggas who kill other niggas. Let he without sin cast the first stone (x2). But what Jay said is crazy I can't lie lol. His verse was hard tho
Lastly I fw what she said and if it wasn't Noname I would heavily the support the story she posted. Sometimes niggas apologize for no reason. If you feel that way then feel it. Niggas will disagree with you regardless. In fact, I wish more ppl did this. Stand on what you believe and if you actually have a change of opinion, have enough integrity to own up to it.
I won’t lie, I actually agree. It’s kinda across the board on the left too. Many people forget the people they idolize were not paragons. They did and said problematic things. Leaders are not meant to be perfect, they step up to the plate when nobody else can.
That being said, it would be a lot easier if they allowed themselves to be flawed instead of needing to attempt to be perfect paragons all the time that must do no wrong. The amount of times I straight up say “I didn’t know that” or “I don’t know, I’ll have to look into that later” is too many to count. If I genuinely don’t know anything about something, I just don’t need to speak on it. And if I feel the need to speak on it, I can always add the caveat that I’m not especially well versed and need to do some looking later.
The criticisms of Jay Electronica do not come from a lack of nuance. It isn't a case of him making one or two thoughtless comments and them being misconstrued by fans and news media. He has made his antisemitism crystal clear and outlined it in detail in his music.
I brought tickets for her but i didnt even go. After looking at how shes been acting and the hypocrisy shes been showing I just said forget it honestly
Wasn't she the one who said that she doesn't want "white fans to listen to her music and attempt her concerts?
Yep she said that years back and I thought that was bad, didn't expect her to sink deeper into the hole and get even worse
The thumbnail for this vid is crazy
who was the artist that Shawn mentioned @4:30?
The rapper called Ka, Shawn previously mentioned some of his albums like "Descendants of Cain" and "Honor Killed the Samurai"
@@paul8433 I appreciate the info thanks
Ka, amazing lyricist and storyteller
One of the greatest lyricist ive ever listened to. Listen to orpheus vs the sirens by hermit and the recluse to see what hes about.
Didn't Jay Electronica date a Jewish woman?
He dated a Rothschild
I personally think that everyone is overreacting. I don't think that Jay's verse was that problematic. Did he wish death on anyone? Has he committed a henious crime via rap???
If people don't like it then don't listen like Noname said.
There are way worse things happening in the world.
i love her i really do but her having him as a feature is a horrible left turn. like genuinely this was a huge misstep.
This critique is ridiculous gotcha politics. No name is one of the few rappers who's trying to lend her voice to any worthwhile politics or political projects. She's free to take contradictory stances along the way, but most of the critiques seem engineered to snatch clout off of pointing those contradictions out. What matters is what you actually DO politically and where you send money, not what you think, who you hang with or even most of what you say. It's not wrong to acknowledge the contradictions but if one thinks they're a purer champion for working class black people then I think we would all welcome them stepping up by organizing or donating their time and money like no name does. The struggle can use all the help it can get.
shutup
Let’s get one thing straight jay elec is jay z’s puppet anything jay z wants to say but can’t because of his status & fame…he goes through jay elec to pass that message 😅
This feels like white people's version of a nonblack rapper saying nigga in a song.
Noname is an example of a person who has Wokemedia disease. Semtims include excuses for being a hypocrite.
My thing is why is she getting more flack than the actual dude who wrote the thing? This dude was on Donda and no one said anything lol
Cause noname was sending flack to other rappers first
@@likehere3485 she was standing for a purpose first*
@@likehere3485 it's not about what she said on him or him, but what she has to say about the music industry and capitalism to a larger extent. nowadays everybody is calling out the music industry and it's TRUE to say that some rappers, actually most of em (mainstream) are apart of the problem, so it shouldn't be an issue for her to stand for her purpose, WE the audience need to get the homework done first
This is the question.
Aye bruh I just want the music shorty provided
Facts ion give af about this shit
jay elec is goated
so is woody allen
@@nh3028 trying to see the correlation lol , jay stands up for the truth and woody allen is a pedo lol
I like the idea of No Name and most of what she preaches. But the music tho. It's a hard no. Listen to Little Simz.
L 😂😂😂😂
I like nonsmes music, and hearing telephone got me into writing but she seem like a hypocrite in her her politics, its why I dont look up to rappers
This is what happens when we create groups for one group that don’t apply to everyone
... y'all overhyped both of them. one day we gonna get back to remembering art isn't real and judge this for what it is... this much effort going into analyzing a song that, with or without the offensive bars... is below mid at best...this should no longer be the norm. if people would just stop fronting and admit that both noname and jay elec are more interesting in theory than on recordings, and realize any political commentary they have is largely based on 'what does this rhyme with?' we'll really understand how little we need to pay attention to these lyrics
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Jay is not antisemitic
stop the cap
Bro it’s weird that this man clearly has a problem with white ppl too, he’s literally talking about how he wouldn’t push his fans away after saying he wouldn’t want white fans because “he looks at them and knows they don’t get it” and that right there shows he puts all white ppl together and it doesn’t matter if you think differently from them. If you white you automatically wrong and I’m not even white and I feel the unnecessary hate when not all people speaks for the other ppl in the race, dude is so hypocritical when he wouldn’t want ppl talking about him like that
Jay Electronica has never said anything "anti semitic" yall need to study what yall believe to be hate.
She did put out arguably the best album of the year tho
False
Big Facts
Cap
It's in the books🤞🏾
Absolutely not 😂
Album still mostly good tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's like like with Lizzo mfs were looking for a reason to come at no name
What does he mean when he said "Post Malone already kind of did that"?
he hasn't said the n-word or any outright racist shit to my knowledge (i could be wrong) but he's outright admitted that his initial move into trap was basically just to get money and an audience and he gave zero shits about the art which. eh, not a fan and kind of patronising to a distinctly Black art form. kind of obvious when you look at his most recent album which is just a fun pop rock record, and honestly it was obvious back in the day with songs like white iverson or rockstar.
Jay Electronica is better than Ka. Listen to Elect, entirely before you talk gossip.
9:58 i swear to god white folks be so out the loop especially when it comes to hip hop but it's love
What artist is referring to as kai
Brownsville Ka
What lyric do people have a problem with?
She did say she doesnt want white fans so that might be her goal lol
if it was then she must have forgot that Black Jewish people exist lol. real america brain hours
I love that at the end of it you get hit with a microcosm of what she’s dealing with
I know I’m not her general audience since I’m a white male, but I’ve always enjoyed and understood her message within her music AS WELL as enjoying the music sonically speaking, while also knowing that she has been vocal about white people whitewashing her message. Although those points are understandable and I have no right to talk on any of those points, I feel like I can’t simply enjoy her music even if I understand her mission and goal which is to bring light to the lingering white supremacy issue in the American culture as a whole.
Bro stop apologising you can speak on whatever you like lmao
its a kanye situation for me. like ill still listen to them because they are great musicians, but FUCK them
White men are her general audience 😂
You can definitely point out anti semitism when it’s anti semitism regardless of race.
Bro you are her main audience 😂
Why do you think she said she thought about quitting music
love her album but the anti semitism in his verse is impossible to ignore and a sour note to a stellar project. i dont use social media so i had no idea other people actually listened to this project until i saw this video
damn shawn dont want white watchin anymore 😂
Bruh. You haven’t even heard the verse and you’re labeling it antisemitic with them 💀 omg the internet is a crazy place. You can’t be going to Twitter/X for news anymore Sean
Yes tf it aint even a question
See what your own viewers / “fans” did to you at the end of your own video. Uncanny man.
fatima whyyyyyy
what tf did he say that was antisemitic? everyone is saying he’s attacking jews in almost every line but i really don’t see a single line that is actually antisemitic
They just wanted be offended at something
The thing is her real music from her real soul attracted almost overwhelmingly white audience, now who's fault is that?
I don’t think you hear what you said frfr
She want a new job
Cole becoming a profit, isn't he?
Prophet
Y’all listen to problematic people all the time get over it. Some of y’all still bumping Kanye and r Kelly or Kodak black what’s the difference. I think it’s dope she had him on the album then diss Jay z the next song.
The difference is she's made it her whole personality. Imagine if you found out Chance the Rapper was beating his wife after all that "I love my wife" shit. So it's harder to ignore.
I call it spying… if I knew y’all was watching I probably would’ve gave a fuck.. pride is how I see myself.
lmao 3:10
That show that you were saying that Nick Cannon was on was from his own podcast. It was called Cannon’s Class. Jewish people were mad at Nick Cannon because he had Richard “Professor Griff” Griffin on his show. Professor Griff was the one who was saying the anti semitic comments on the show. That is what got Nick Cannon into trouble with the Jewish community
What exactly is antisemitic in Jay’s verse? I see only a couple dogwhistles if you’re reaching
All the racist stuff people like Sara Silverman, Ben Shapiro, Donald Sterling, etc has said about Black people, I don't see them as individuals nor Jewish people in media jumping out the window to apologize to us on behalf of the Jewish community. And this isn't just a Jewish thing, this is common among many groups. Black people need to start treating other groups like they treat us. Stop apologizing and attacking other black people as a so called virtue signal.
Yeah true. If I’m being real, even a caliphate in the Arab world apologized on behalf of being the progenitors to race based slavery, apologizing to black people.
America doesn’t even have a unified apology for the atrocities and human experimentation they did on black people, they kinda just say “move along”. It’d be a lot easier to have more love for other groups if black people got even a modicum of the good will people demand we give to them.
Preach
Why does this surprise anyone. Also I’m really tired of the antisemitic word. Like y’all really know wtf be going on in this world and how it’s ran but get mad when someone speaks on it😂
We such a cowardly bunch ,so afraid to have an opinion outside what "our mastas " tell us
Facts we so scared of that group of people
This person is exactly why people get pissed off. Jay and Noname can communicate with people like her and then pretend they didn't do anything wrong.
You smart
.....what's clueless to me is Lil Durk made a song with Morgan Wallen and he faced none of this.......
because Durk isn’t pretending to be some rap activist then getting angry with people calling out his hypocrisy. Not saying Durk isn’t super hypocritical about other shit too
@@ShawnCeeLIVE Noname's a activist challenging white supremacy and socialism.......I really don't think she gives a fuck that much about Jay Electronica going "my religion is better than yours and we're the real jews"
I'm not necessarily a religious person so idrc and I doubt Noname does either, but his religion calls hostility towards Jews the same way Christianity calls hostility to gay people, black people, and Satanists. The same way Jews calls hostility to Palestinians. I personally don't see why this verse should be taken any more seriously than we take those hostilities that I just mentioned.
But again, NONE of this has to do with Noname's agenda of dismantling white supremacy and capitalism to provide sustainable wages, food, education, and shelter to everyone through socialism. Maybe I'm just not understanding where a debate of petty religious wars works exclusively against that agenda.
@@Alief.Propheteveryone but Jewish people? Or does she stop allowing hate after that?
The only line I can even think to be antisemitic is the Rothschild line but I think it's about how he dated one of them and it ruined his image
Ion care about this controversy im just glad to see her fan base cannibalize her 😂😂😂
Noname is so pointless she really serves no purpose at all
In general I honestly feel like we as a community are attacking noname for no valide reasons, she is leading a genuine fight with genuine art and actions, as a black man I can do nothing but to support her, she is intelligent and way more cultivated than most of us let's just be honest 😂 but somehow even with so little knowledge we think we know everything. stay humble and seek for deeper understanding, this is no joke but a black women vs a whole industry, it's already biais no wonder why so many ppl do not even take the chance to understand her position
She could be the most educated person on earth. It all doesn’t mean nothing if she keeps about going herself in a scum - like manner and degrading people and throwing a tantrum at everyone who disagrees with her like an actual woman child. She needs attention, and she wants people to give her flowers. Actual leaders don’t crave attention. She’s a fraud.
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Jay Elect is not antisemitic
This guilty by association thing is really wild. I don't know why black people are expected to be nice to everyone especially a group that benefits from white supremacy, 'minority' or not.
putting somebody on your album is not guilt by association
@@nh3028 that's what the man in the video and many of the people in the comments are trying to enforce. that because she has a dude with antisemitic opinions and keeps him on the album despite criticism that she supports antisemitism. but my point is why should the black community worry about those people's feelings, they'll be alright whether black folks like them or not.
@@HURT108lol ur antisemitic
I dont think they should, but a lot of that understanding comes down to history being told for Europe, by Europe. If we take a whole holistic view of history however, the Jewish role in America's story becomes more clear: It comes down to what Hitler did and what _he took and extrapolated from Jim Crow_ to accomplish.
@@vopcracker3193to clarify, what do you think the Jewish role in America history is?
antisemitism 😍😍😍