I love the idea that Alastor and Rosie would marry for the tax benefits while just being besties while everyone thinks that they're head over heels for eachother
@@purplepedantry Союз нерушимый республик свободных Сплотила навеки Великая Русь Да здравствует созданный волей народов Единый, могучий Советский Союз! Славься, Отечество наше свободное Дружбы народов надёжный оплот! Партия Ленина - сила народная Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведёт! Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы И Ленин великий нам путь озарил На правое дело он поднял народы На труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил! Славься, Отечество наше свободное Дружбы народов надёжный оплот! Партия Ленина - сила народная Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведёт! В победе бессмертных идей коммунизма Мы видим грядущее нашей страны И красному знамени славной Отчизны Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны! Славься, Отечество наше свободное Дружбы народов надёжный оплот! Партия Ленина - сила народная Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведёт!
Instructions unclear, Alastor is an Ace fighter pilot in my fanfic Okay for people who don’t get it, ‘Ace’ has been a term for fighter pilots who’ve shot down Five or more enemy Aircraft since WW1.
YES BROTHER THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE JOKE I AM LAUGHING SO HARD NOW THAT YOU EXPLAINED IT HAHAHAHA ok so for those who didn't get it, I was referencing the fact that it is extremeley off putting and just counter intuitive to explain a joke, so I made fun of that by using irony, acting as if the act of explaining really did make me laugh harder, when in reality I just cringed
@@mrdummervilleean I was covering my bases. What pisses you off about someone explaining a joke to make sure people don’t get the wrong message from it even if it’s not funny? You think you’re funny? You’re just being a piece of shit for no good reason. Okay in case you didn’t get it, fuck you.
@@legomania2427You killed him. Look at what you have done. Even Charlie would be too disgusted to redeem you. For the crime of explaining a joke, yer sent to giga hell. Goodbye. (Every sound effect in existence at once*)
@@mrdummervilleean not only does explaining the joke make the humour more accessible, it makes the context for it more accessible as well. L take. I wish more people would explain jokes. If it ruins the joke for you, that's a 'you' problem. If they don't, it's the comic making it a problem for those who don't have access to the context or humour.
I tried to imagine this for the sake of the humor in it and my brain conjured the horrible string of words spoken in a moan “you can steamboat my Willy.” I don’t know what that means, I don’t want to know what that means, I’m disturbed and horrified and I feel that this is your fault and have chosen to curse you with it as well as retribution, thank you and have a horrible day.
It’s actually pretty common for ace people to miss sexual jokes because it’s just not on our minds. Even if Alastor was aware what ace was it’s pretty on point for him to be blissfully unaware until someone shoves his nose in it like he’s a bad dog.
can confirm as a fellow ace, I have no clue what's going on half the time because of this, but it is really funny when I'll randomly decide to say some sort of joke abt sex (in the form of extreme sarcasm ofc) and everyone just looks at me like ":0 i didn't know she could do that"
I can't pick up on cues for romantic relationships either, like my friends were dating for TWO MONTHS before I knew. The worst part is that they thought it was pretty obvious.
FUCK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE....I constantly get weird jokes whenever I excessively cuss like when I'm dieing in a game.... something about "not typically getting people to say that outside of bed" or whatnot in a very...romatic like tone...i never understood it still dont actually...but i think...i think i keep missing sexual jokes...
fr, i’m an aroace and this video is just covers all basis as an aroace person, i’m fine with the topic of sex or romance, and even find it interesting …unless it involves me. then i just get very uncomfortable, because hell no
I imagine that Alastor could be open to a relationship. However he'd need to respect them; which makes his dating pool EXTREMELY limited. However he is absolutely best left as ace/aro.
"Asexuality is a spectrum, some people experience sexual attraction!", they say about the character that is standing so close to the end of the spectrum that if they took another step, they'd fall to their death.
Ok I’ve never watched this show but the fucking “the what now” in that old showtuney-esque old timey voice and then it immediately cutting off is sending me
My ace friends are getting married soon and yet I still STILL have to explain to people all the time that just because I’m ace doesn’t mean I’m going to die alone and unhappy smh. Maybe I’ll be happy with just friends, maybe I’ll be in a queer platonic couple, maybe I’ll be in a romantic nonsexual relationship and that doesn’t mean that I’m going to be in an unfulfilling relationship!
This is why I think people struggle to understand this situation. If you are platonic you are just friends and it’s not a relationship. Platonic means friends. Romantic is understandable but to describe it as a platonic couple is factually a friendship.
@@TheMichiQuinn I agree! Language can make understanding aro/ace relationships hard for people who have never had queer platonic relationships! I wish that language evolved faster so that I had the words to describe how the love an ace person feels for their partner can be different from your cut and dry friendships among allo’s… I don’t mind ignorance, it’s not someone’s fault if they have never come across an idea before! But I get so tired of the willful ignorance! Just because you don’t understand something or don’t share a perspective doesn’t mean you can’t learn! And what’s more, you shouldn’t patronize people who experience the world differently from you no matter who you are!
A lot of people find disinterest in romance/sex attractive in itself. It definitely reads into the whole "but my OC is different" and "special" somehow. No shade, I thrive on that shit, but it's definitely in the category of wish fulfillment.
Tumblr sexyman is a vibe, a vibe this often is a mischievous vibe, which mischievous characters arent usually out for romance. But also, Sans litteraly "befriended" Toriel and Bill is evil why would he be into romance
On the topic of Sans (And please forgive me for bringing this up, I swear I'm not one of *them*...), does he even have a dingaling to bone with?! (Again, I'm so sorry. I will turn myself in to horny jail...)
I’ve seen some people completely dismiss the idea of Al being Aro/Ace as well as taking signs of his manipulation as his “love” for Charlie and use it as an excuse to ship them
Greyace here. I see Alastor as the type who would be entirely repulsed by sexual advances and romance, but would be the one to listen to everyone else's romance problems and give advice like a podcast lol
I'm not even close to being aro/ace, but I'd also put world domination above any romantic relationship. Maybe we should hit the white board and discuss some business plans together?
@@spruce-ui2eh OK, so, I only have a rough draft so far, but I think we definitely need to start by studying the old Indiana Jones movies and learning what NOT TO DO when aiming for world domination. Maybe throw in some episodes of Pinky and the Brain for good measure, but I'd save them for later as consulting material, when we start going into the specifics of the plan. Any thoughts on the next step?
in all fairness, as an ace person, id feel kind of infantilized if the ace character in hazbin wasnt completely fucked up in some way. like, every other character is a horrible person, theyre in hell for a reason, and if Alastor didnt fit in with that it could play into the “innocent naive child” stereotype of asexuals.
Apparently he's a canabalistic serial killer, which would also play into an ace stereotype (lacking humanity, ect) - but I don't think it's ever mentioned and the guy is dubious at best and ultimately a good guy so, it never mattered anyways. The show is dumb but that allows us to not think about anything at all - never mind reading too deep into a character being ace. Shots fired...but also...it's chill. As a fellow ace person.
@@202cardlineI disagree in thinking him being evil is part of the "evil ace" stereotype. Part of that stereotype is the ace character being emotionless, which isn't what Alastor is at all.
The "ace in the hole" joke also means: She's too young for you, oh don't worry, I know you're not dating her, I know you're using her for your own advantage. Because that's what "ace in the hole" means. Like having a trick up your sleeve or a trumf card.
The sheer power of "No one can commit me to a relationship of any kind. I am unrelationshippable. You can never have me." is something I will now strive to match somewhere in my life.
alastor is so petty and antagonistic it almost makes you wonder if he's aroace purely to deprive everyone of his hotness, yet another means of psychologically torturing people for the fun of it.
As an aeroace individual that's my only thing. Like okay ship him if you want but my god we get like no representation in anything. gay/lesbian relationships are becoming more and more 'normalized' so please just let us have this.
You DO have this. Alastor will always be ace in canon unless Vivzie changes her mind which she has no reason to. But you can't expect internet strangers who frankly don't give a fuck about you not to do whatever they want with said character. Nobody cares about orientation on any side, if they think a character is hot they're just going to do what they want.
@@jack_stone Right! Hell, I'm ace myself and only a few minutes into this video and I'm so tired. No, I don't give a shit if people ship Alistar with anyone. He's a fictional character, and very hot, and shipping hurts no one (unless, I mean, when rabid fans take this to the next level and start doxing and attacking people for real, which is frankly insane but happens)
@@jack_stonei mean, i get where youre coming from, but imo it cannot feel like proper representation if everywhere i go, i see ships with the aroace character. like ofc do whatever you want with your ships, but damn does it get tiring to see a canon sexuality ignored to the extent that alastor’s is. yeah, people ignore other canon sexualities, but it feels less frequent with other characters (i dont really see many ships of angel dust with women, and theyre not popular at all. meanwhile alastor ships arent uncommon) like yes, hes canonically aromantic and asexual. but if i go look up fanfics, how many fics am i gonna find that even just hint at him being aro and/or ace and how many am i gonna find of him being in a romantic/sexual relationship with someone?
Yeah i don't care if people ship him or write fanfic's about him shipers will do shipper things. But it's just so annoying people said that viv needs to change his sexuality because they find it weird like, the aro and ace community is living of breadcrumbs and people even in the queer community try to take those breadcrumbs from us
It is so fuckin annoying and it barely counts as "having this" when shipping him aggressively is so accepted but guarantee if you put a gay character with the opposite gender people would go absolutely feral on you. It's like aces don't matter specifically.
I'd love if Rosie was ace aro and was just marrying people to eat them, though she's probably not and probably straight, it's still a funny little headcanon
I think its been confirmed that he's Aro-Ace by Viv. It is also confirmed that he doesn't enjoy the company of men because of his issues with father when he was alive. He only enojy the company of women but platonically, that's why he hugs Mimzy and Rosie and is ok with interacting with Charlie. He never touched another dude on screen (only when killing them lol), and is easilly anoyyed with men.
I think it was stated that his father was abusive, and that Alastor was a big mama's boy. But he was also a serial killer that enjoyed eating his victims, so yeah... @@galuxius1861
As an aroace person (I'm speaking for MYSELF, not everyone else), I don't mind shipping. It happens to every character and that's that, they're not real people. However if it comes at the cost of said shippers obscuring and invalidating aroace folks, then it's an issue for me. To me the shipping is only okay if the person doing so has a conscience that aroace people are very real and not playing up an act, weird or "defective".
same, I've basically ignored shipping fandom for everything because it's just people projecting their fetishes, nothing more, it's never about the story or how characters could work with eachother, just people that want to see two characters fuck
Yes like 🤷♀️ the fictional characters are fictional, get creative in fiction and all that, just don't be weird and/or offensive to real people... It's not that hard hehe
Yeah, I imagine it’s kind of like how characters that are effectively portrayed as being straight are shipped when they’re the same gender. I figure that similar boundaries would apply there, where it’s okay to ship but weird to get mad if anyone doesn’t ship it too. If you can’t acknowledge your personal stances on characters aren’t all canon then that’s just a bit off in general! That’s an issue I’ve seen in a lot of fandoms….
Yes!!! Even I kinda had the silly thought of "lmao crackship between Lucifer and Alastor so they just have joint custody of Charlie", but the people who go "AcTuAlLy ArOaCe PeOpLe cAn StIlL dAtE!" make my blood boil. Like yeah, but clearly that's not canon in the show. Make your crackships, I really don't care, I'll probably just avoid it, but don't try to justify it by saying it "could be canon" and just say "yeah it's not gonna happen, it's just a fun dynamic". People make up crackships all the time and the only time they try to say it could be canon is when one of the characters is canonically aro and/or ace :/
Remember when the writers of Sherlock said asexuality was "boring" and everyone agreed because that's how little the LGBTQ+ community cares about aces? Am I surprised that in 10+ years nothing has changed? Nope.
I mean the literal fight between conforming and queer liberation is still raging on and that's battle within the community that's been there since the early days of Gay rights.
I agree, and yes Ace, and Aro, are a specrtrum but i feel like people use that excuse time and time again to sexualize or romanztice Ace/Aro Charater or even worse. PEOPLE. biggest exmaple is jaiden animations, KOOLEEN JUST SEXAULIZE EVEN NOTICE JAIDEN HAS SAID MUPLTIE TIME FOR PEOPLE NOT DO THAT, AND LIKE SHE MADE A WHOLE ASS VIDEO ON WHO SHES AROACE?! LIKE THE FUCK? But I agree the LGBTQ+ need to be more welcoming to Ace/Aro people They get heavly misrepresent, and there is so much misinfo about it, its INSANE. I genuinely feel bad because they dont have any sorta representaion and if they do it immdealy gets ruined. Aro and Ace people espesilly need love and to feel apart of the coumminty.
@@fern_aka_that_idiot9090 sometimes I wish I was not ace, I did not choose to be like this and I don't want to be now that I know even the minories dislike my type of sexuality, but how do I change it when I was born like this?
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Just here, happy to hear another ace expound on Alastor 😅 Honestly, would also super love an episode exploring Alastor’s asexuality (like him discovering what it even is). That’d be super interesting and just a breath of fresh air IMO.
Still reeling that Twitter stans actually fought Amir Talai when he made a post about Alastor being aroace because Alastor makes "gay little poses". My sibling in Christ, a pose can't be gay. It can only fall under a gay caricature. Amir said it perfectly; "You don't have to fck to be fab."
As an aroace when i realised alastor was asexual/aromantic i was super happy to be represented in some way, buuut i regretted my decisions when i saw him being shipped everywhere 😭
The idea of Angel helping Al discover his sexuality/romantic orientation would be SO great. The hypersexualized character helping out the acearo one feels so wholesome.
same for the reverse! i love the idea of alastor not seeing angel as a conquest or something to have and has no ulterior motives to caring for him which he’s not used to, and angel kinda starts to learn he really is worth more than just his body
What I sometimes feel is really a downer is that people don't care about characters unless they can be shipped romantically. There is SO much value in stuff outside of romantic fanfic or fanart, and a character still can be loved and valued. It would be validating as a aro/ace person as well.
Valid. I have an OC whose relationship with a canon character (who is heavily sexualised and lusted after in the fandom - while also being unromancable and ace) is more of a mother-daughter bond. Probably because the canon character has mommy issues and my oc lost someone they had come to see as a daughter but that's besides the point. There are definitely interesting relationships out there that aren't romantic!
Vivzie basically confirmed Alastor is written to be AroAce but didnt confirm it so shippers can have their fun and i think thats kinda bullshit, there's already like zero rep for Ace people, and im "technically" on the ace spectrum being demiromantic/demisexual but i dont really get much from ace rep, i still think its needed, same way how i want more non toxic transfem representation
@camocamouflageSome coworkers _can_ get nosey and ask you if you have a bf/gf or kids, try to set you up with someone, etc. Maybe OP just said it in an attempt to shut that kind of thing down. You could just tell the coworker it's none of their business or generally say "I'm not interested in those things" but that can get awkward, too
@camocamouflage So you think that straight people shouldn't be talking about their partners too then. That's effectively straight people casually coming out all the time when they mention stuff like, "My wife/husband and I went out to such and such a place over the weekend" or the usual casual conversations about their kids etc. So you agree that they probably shouldn't be sharing that information in the first place as well? It is repeatedly coming out all the time to everyone else by discussing stuff like that. If it works in a way that ace people can't talk about themselves being ace, then it'll have to work the same way for everyone else. You shouldn't be casually bringing up your partner or giving anyone any kind of coding as to who you are in that regard either, right?
@camocamouflage Yeah, well the same applies to those coworkers. We don't need to know all their business but they share all their business, like their partners and other straight stuff, with no question or second thought and no one gets whiny about it. You're treating ace people doing it as a problem and that we shouldn't be sharing we're ace but why are you making it out to be a problem when ace people do it but aren't holding straight coworkers doing the same thing and sharing they're straight all the time to the exact same standard? Those coworkers mostly love sharing how straight they are all the time and if we suggest that maybe they want a doctor to look at fixing that, there'd be some complaining. It's on the ignorant coworkers to educate themselves, it's not our job to make them less ignorant.
I actually did take HRT for transgender reasons and it didn’t change my sexual or romantic orientation, it just gave me a stronger libido. I’m still very aroace, the biggest change in my orientation was going from no libido to All The Libido in a way that forced me to become a sex positive asexual and find an outlet for that before I went insane. Basically I just read and write erotica now but still with zero desire for it to come true. All this to say your coworker is an ignorant dumb@ss that doesn't know the first thing about how sexual/romantic orientations work OR how hormone therapy works. The stories of people saying that HRT changed their orientation are likely due to them not having strong or frequent enough feelings to be able to accurately judge what genders they like if any before they got on HRT, perhaps even deliberately or unintentionally ignoring those feelings until having their libido dialed up to an 11 made it impossible to ignore anymore.
Well it is a really old trope of people hating eachother later getting feeling for eachother, it's just as old as childhood friends ending up falling in love
@@skyesthelimitro I know, I’m not hating on it lol. I actually ship it I’m just making a joke on how lots of fandoms like shipping characters that hate each other 😅
Cut to the saiki k fandom where the main character repeatedly says he does not care for romance and never wants to date anyone and romantic/sexual attraction alludes him and half the fandom is still like “it’s just a headcanon” or “well he could just be in denial” It’s really sad how so many people will come up with every excuse under the sun as to why a character isn’t aro/ace like please we barely get any rep as is at least admit you’re breaking canon 😭 (Go watch saiki k btw it’s got the most aro/ace rep I’ve ever seen in my life it’s lovely)
Ironically I ship saiki/aiura (not sexually) and your right, just scroll through any fic with saiki you get stuff like "tsundere saiki". Like no he doesn't feel that way.
yeah it really does feel like the options are 'ships' or 'no close relationships, it's just fun adventures with no genuine emotional moments' which suuuuucks. I love fun adventures! I also love heart wrenching scenes that aren't just between family or romantic partners.
I kinda hate it because I can tell the creator wasn't trying to write an asexual character but rather a robotic character. While technically he is asexual, i don't think the creator at all realized what they were doing. I think they wrote him that way because he's supposed to be weird, overly logical, and somewhat apathetic. I want to see more ace characters who are ace because they just are, not because the creator wants them to feel less human.
because people dont know it exists. A is for ally, you are just shy, you haven't found the right one, there could be something wrong in your head. We are a tiny, TINY minority that is lagging behind in representation compared to the rest of the alphabet mafia. Others need to know we exist before they can represent us sadly.
I wouldn’t say that a lot of shows have asexual side characters, or at least side characters that are never shown being interested in romance. Occasionally we get a main character like Luffy from One Piece (who is canon asexual). But asexual aromantic characters are blissfully free of relationship angst and if you’re a writer or a viewer that’s boring.
As a romantic asexual I'm so sad that we almost never get any representation. There could be so much potential in writing a character that is still romantically interested in people but not sexually in a very sexualized world. 😔 Idk on one hand im glad asexuality is becoming more well known, but at the same time it feels like a lot of people are starting to assume that asexual is really just aroace and nothing else. 😢 I used to want to be a writer, but I just don't have the patience for it. I wish I could bring that vision to light myself sometimes...
Oh my god. I joined a Hazbin group on Facebook and I tried to state your exact point over. And over. And over again. I DO NOT PERSONALLY CARE WHAT PEOPLE SHIP IN GOOD FUN. But seeing the defenses of their pornographic content get a blanket defense of "BUT ASEXUALITY IS A SPECTRUM" honestly triggered me from a life of pain and invalidation because of my asexuality. And then I'd get mobbed by people either not reading what I said and insisting that I was the weird asshole "ship-shaming" them or trying to allo-splain my own sexuality to me and saying that actually I was the one being acephobic because YOU SEE I was flattening the entire asexual spectrum down to one experience! My favorite was a long list from an absolutely infuriated someone telling me to educate myself because "Asexual people can experience sexual attraction," and "Aromantic people can pine for romantic relationships." Eventually, while the mods of that group did not decline posts that were flat out transphobic, homophobic, or racist, when I tried to give it another go to explain where I was coming from in a polite essay format, my post got declined. And then it got declined again. And that's when I decided to leave that group for my own stress. Apparently there's some kind of cRaZy AsExUaL hate mob that's like harassing people for making fan content of Alastor??? I didn't see that, but I sure as fuck did see the same acephobic defenses of their fan content over and over again that kept reminding me of every person who had ever invalidated my identity so that was nice. Anyway, thanks for saying it. I'd share this video around fan spaces, but I don't want to get mobbed again or bring people in who might leave mean comments.
@@ozpin8329 I one hundred percent agree! I actually had a nice conversation with someone who was introduced to not only asexuality but the many distinct microidentities under the umbrella of asexuality THROUGH these acephobic defenses of fan content and realized that she actually fit one of those microidentities and I cannot express the joy I felt for her in being able to find herself. I remember my own joy when I was 19 and first discovered that asexuality was a valid identity and could stop viewing myself as some kind of broken freak. So if nothing else, this rhetoric has spread awareness and for each and every person learning about it for the first time -- either as an asexual person themselves or otherwise -- I'm grateful. But that doesn't stop the acephobic nature of these defenses OR excuse them for attacking asexual people trying to reasonably point out that behavior in good faith. I have never experienced such targeted acephobia and asexual bigotry than when I was in these groups. It was insane.
As an aroace dude, I'll take the demon cannibal murderer over nothing, because I literally never saw an aroace on screen before him. I literally watched Hazbin Hotel only because I heard from a RUclips community post, made by a communist RUclips channel, that there was an aroace on this show.
in heartstopper (though he doesnt get much time to shine in s1, and only a little in s2) issac is aroace! in s2 they explore what issac thought was a 'crush', but turned out not being so (if im remembering correctly there is a qpr thing? been a min since i have seen the show haha) the show is pretty good. stereotypical at times, but good! it has a lot of good queer rep in it. ^.^
theres a neat asexual character in Bojack Horseman :) would recommend giving it a watch if you have the time (if you wanna know who it is a simple google search will tell you)
There are characters that are portrayed as aro/ace, but not explicitly stated as such. Big problem with them, they are almost always alien/robot or behave as such.
@@inkstainedshitpoststhe word you’re looking for is a ‘squish’, when one’s desire is more for attention/spending time with a person to get to know them better, rather than a desire to date or have spicy times with them. (The phrasing is to dodge the algorithm.)
6:34 also at some point he told Sir Pentious "this [piece of his jacket] is the most anyone managed to get off [him]", which is both "I'm untouchable in a fight" and "sex was never in the cards for me"
Someone on a call called me an "ace in the hole" when I told them I was aro ace. I told them there was no hole and they thought that was a sex joke. I just meant I didn't play golf 💀
“Ace in the hole” is basically the same as saying “ace up my sleeve” it has nothing to do with sex and more to do with someone having so much power they can either have or get people to do whatever they want. For the love of god look up the slang that old school characters say
@@littlelotus4572BRO ACTUALLY THANKS FOR SAYING THAT i had a few friends who watched hazbin hotel told me i was like alastor (cuz im aroace and apparently “damn evil”) and keep saying that line as a refrence i just dont understand
It had been confirmed prior to the start of the series that Alastor was both Ace and Aro. So it's not a case of the writers being confused by the wording, they are deliberately writing him to be both on purpose.
If what we have so far is considered deliberate, they need to up their game. Alastor's aceness is weak shit, currently. I don't care what Medrano said five years ago or whenever or wherever, if he's ace and it's not just lip service, it *has* to get better on screen, in the show, than "ace in the hole." The bar cannot _possibly_ be that low.
fr. i didn't get "ace in the hole" until i remembered the confirmation. If someone who DOES know this shit can miss it, it was NOT strong enough@@Cobalt360Degrees
@@Cobalt360Degrees To be fair he is very similar to me in how he acts. Always watching and waiting, being helpful in ways that take little effort until it builds up, seemingly understanding how others feel while also not caring in the slightest, and his complete missing of how his actions could be construed as romantic/sexual interest. He never actually shows any interest in any character other than Charlie, Rosie, Mimzy, Husk, and Nifty. Mimzy because they knew each other in life and she likes causing trouble, Rosie because she is powerful and they are both representatives of Cannibal Town, Husk and Nifty due to their contracts, and Charlie because she could fulfil his desire of freedom. Which, by the way, is the only desire, other than watching people fail, that he mentions all season.
Honestly, I have been WAITING for somebody to post a video like this. This addresses it really well with minimal points, and I’m honestly glad someone talked about it, because whenever someone talks about Alastor ships, it makes me kinda uncomfortable, cuz of his sexuality. I also like the detail of the spectrum, and the idea of shipping characters for dynamics, not the relationship. Thanks for making this!
I really appreciate this take on it! There‘s something I‘d like to add: I think because there isn‘t much ace, aro or aroace representation, when there is any everyone on the spectrum tends to jump on it, which doesn’t the conflict created by people ignoring the sexuality alltogether. You kind of touched on it in the video with people using Alastor to explore their own sexualities, or use Fanworks to create their own representation, but because it‘s such a big spectrum those works clash a lot. And as you said, that would be fine if everyone was aware of the nuances of asexuality and aromanticism, we could all just go about our day and avoid the content we don‘t like. But 1)the majority of people not on the spectrum or close to people on the spectrum see the multitude of works and then get confused, building assumptions about what asexuality and aromanticism is based of fanworks and then, often in an attempt to „stop erasure“ start fighting about it. 2), When there is so little representation, sometimes any interpretation that doesn’t fit your own experience can feel like somebody trying to erase you. I‘ve seen people who are on the spectrums fighting each other over Alastor representations because it doesn‘t fit with their own experience. I think it‘s just hard when the spectrum is so wide that experiences can completely contradict each other and representing one might feel like it somewhat erases the other. In an ideal world, we would all just co-exit, but I‘ll be the first to admit that I felt erased when people started being so insistent Alastor couldn‘t be in any form of relationship because of his sexuality, and then started my spectrum counter argument which might have accidentally talked over the people who did feel represented by that take (I‘m trying to be more mindful about it but we‘re all human and just trying to have fun with our fiction, we‘ll make mistakes). When that argument gets tangled with the people just ignoring the representation alltogether, it turns into the mess we now have…
As an aroace, I think you put it perfectly. I have absolutely no issue with people shipping Alastor, whether sexually or romantically, when they know that he's canonically ace and their ships are fanon for their own enjoyment. What grinds my gears a little is people insisting it could really happen in the show, and that he's not TOTALLY ace, etc etc. I've seen someone say they ship him because asexuality isn't real, that one hurt.
aro, possibly ace here, I agree completely. I partake in the fanfiction just as much as the next guy, but insisting they're actually gay/ace/aro/none of the above, etc is going into delusion territory. My one rule break is for historical shows back in the days where a character being gay would get it cancelled. For example, I 100% believe William Riker is a bisexual/pansexual man in Star Trek The Next Generation. Hell even the actor considers Riker to be not straight, but the time period was terrified or actively showing disgust at characters being not straight. Maybe I'm just going against my original point with this lol
Questioning aro bisexual here. I’m attracted to both men and women but I don’t do relationships. Even though I’m not ace, the « asexuality isn’t real » part hurt as well. The amount of times I’ve been told bisexuality is just being desperate and a phase. Then aromatic is just trying to be edgy/lying/cold. I wish people would just leave us ALONE.
Holy FUCK, thank god someone said it. I'm aroace, and I think shipping characters on the ace/aro spectrum is completely fine, so long as you don't start to expect it in cannon, or tell people that they can't ship the character with anyone else. You've voiced that perfectly, and I thank you for it.
THIS! 👏 I was trying to write a comment like this, but you put it much better. As an aroace (aego) that ships a variety of characters with no regard for the Canon™ identities, the way a lot of people behave when it comes to shipping is wild to me.
Oh thank god I found the comment I was gonna leave, lmao. I'm demi/aego and grew up with "canon-non-compliant" fanfics haunting my waking hours between the fluff on Quizilla. I've never cared about what happens in AUs because by design they're not canon, they're what ifs that range from one small change in the canon story to entire new genres and worlds. The idea that a "what if" of this aroace character being nudged one way or the other across the spectrum for the sake of a good story is interesting if it's done well. It's just never going to BE CANON and the fact people are upset about that... Confuses me.
Yeah fr, fan content shouldn't ever be expected to keep canon compliant in any sort of way. That doesn't mean that we should expect canon to change to meet our ships, I thought this was obvious
personally, as an aroace person, i don't care who you ship who with (as long as it isn't yk illegal and gross idgaf that they're in hell it's still weird), people create homoerotic relationships with canonically straight characters and nobody seems to care about that, why should it be different just because i'm apart of the lgbtq community?
I REALLY hope we get more aroace Alastor in canon, I’m grayromantic myself and yet here I am screaming when I see aroace rep on the evil sometimes sexual demon show. Also fuck everyone Emily is also aroace (grayromantic + asexual in this case) because I said so. Also apparently according to the wiki (haha very reliable) Mimzy and Alastor apparently dated in early development before Alastor was chosen to be Aroace.
Considering how hyper sexual and sex obsessed our society is right now, I can see why most people do not get asexuality or aromanticism. They may likely confuse it with sexual aversion or sexual revulsion.
It's like people forgot that platonic relationships exist. Asexuality isn't a real thing, it's 100% made up on social media for people to feel special about being incels.
Right now? The world has always been sex obsessed. Haven't you ever read any Greek mythologies? lol Jokes aside, sex sells, unfortunately. That's something that will never change, and companies/producers know that. So, it's hard to spread representation, even if someone wants to, when the vast majority is louder then the minority.
As a demiromantic (or kind of demiromantic, I'm still not sure. So far I know that I'm deffinitally not romantic) I'm kind of annoyed that everybody should have a partner, and when they don't then they must be weird or sad. I get why fans are shipping him, I used to do that as a child. But I also hate when people don't understand aro-ace people and how they can be happy with just friends and family. We don't have to like the same things, chill out.
Viv has actually stated in old live streams that he is aroace, but that doesn’t really translate into the joke. She has also gone on to state he doesn’t realize that he is, and just thinks he hasn’t met the right person (which makes sense given the time period he was alive in). Also if you like Owl House, Lilith is confirmed to be AroAce
As much as it doesn’t translate into the joke, I think i’m better off in the world where Rosie doesn’t go “Oh I’m just kidding, I know you’re Asexual Aromantic.”
MYSTREET PFP SPOTTED IN THE WILD?!??!?!?! anyways: i appreciate the enthusiasm, but i think this is exactly what misty meant about death of the author. lilith's sexuality isn't in the show at all, so her aroace identity -- although lovely to be confirmed -- isn't really the perfect rep we need, y'know? dont get me wrong, i love toh and lilith, but i certainly wouldnt recommend toh on the basis of aroace representation same with alastor. even though it was confirmed by viv, it's more about what's actually IN the show that counts
just came back after the gaster followup to watch some of your other stuff and. shit. this video is non-stop incredible fire takes. if everything you make is this eloquent you might be my new hero
THANK YOU SM FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS BUT YOU SAID IT SO MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD, YOU ARE VERY CORRECT ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINJS ALSO
Something often missed by the “spectrum” crowds is that intelligence and consciousness also are a spectrum. Some people are perfectly capable of understanding nuance and some people simply can’t no matter how much you yell at them.
It's only a recipe for disaster when people can't leave others to their own business. People being attracted to a character does not hurt anyone, it's their business and you don't have to view the content. As an acearo I'm more frustrated with how aces are losing their minds over this. The internet doesn't belong to you.
How is it erasure if it's just the person's fan art or story and the actual canon character remains ace? You all are as bad as the mob that went after that girl for drawing a scene from the black little mermaid movie in the style of the Disney cartoon because she wanted to mess with a different aesthetic. Somehow her one little piece of fanart was deemed "erasure" as if the whole movie and black character no longer existed in canon. It's a very authoritarian and strange attitude to have in regards to art in general.
@@jamesthepatriot6213 I think you're misunderstanding my words, and I'm assuming the words of the video as well. We aren't asking people to stop making fanart and fic. What we want is for people to recognize the fact that this is an aroace character. Not try to explain it away using excuses. There's a difference between "I'm drawing this aroace character in a relationship and having sex because its fun" and "I refuse to accept this character is aroace". Which yes, PLENTY OF PEOPLE DO. Anyone is free to do as that want with fan content. All we ask is people to acknowledge that this character is meant to be aroace. There's already so little representation in media of aro and ace people. What we want in this case, as well as in reality, is for our existence to be recognized and respected. And I don't think that's a lot to ask for.
I love the fact Rosie is more aware of relationships and sexualities and stuff. She's also really good at helping, Alastor trusts her somewhat and they're friends so he could totally learn from her whether he does that by watching her help Charlie or her helping him with his sexuality from the sidelines it's just a really cute dynamic
Rosie's power seemingly comes from being a charming person. She gets people to tell her everything, and is very proficient at social interactions. Someone like her is extremely valuable for a schemer like Alastor.
As an aroace-spec hooman myself, im genuinly fine with peopl shipping aroace character for fun dynamics.. but the fandom almost always use excuses to just forget about or erase the fact the characters is aroace, which genuinely makes me SO uncomfortable.. 😅
If its as a joke Otherwise its morally gross To me its like shipping a lesbian with a man, a gay with a woman, just no The fandom is insane, platonic relationships just aren't allowed to exist
As someone who is romantically attracted to people, but ace, when it comes to canonical ace characters, if I do ship them with a character because I think the character dynamics are fun, then it's just a platonic ship. That's just how I go about it anyway.
I kinda like the idea of him accidentally coming off as seductive to someone, realizing it, and rolling with it to ultimately laugh in their face. also I love his pin-up on the official merch site because it's just his tie askew and he's not shirtless or something that would seem weird for his character.
I feel like it’s difficult to get aro/ace representation “right” because of just how diverse everyone’s experiences are on the spectrum. But I suppose that could be said for other sexualities as well. I do agree that it gets rather tiresome when fandom constantly glosses over those who are genuinely repulsed by intimacy, but it’s also nice when there’s room to interpret a character in the grey or fluctuating area. One major red flag when exploring aro/ace characters is when the romance/sex is forced onto them without consent. Any semblance of a “I can fix him” mentality when approaching the subject of asexuality can get real uncomfortable and devolve into unwanted sexual harassment. Another awful trend is depicting aro/ace characters to be “emotionless” or lacking any empathy for those around them. I don’t understand where this stereotype came from but it’s really harmful and it sucks how others can’t acknowledge platonic relationships to be just as fulfilling. Just because we lack those desires doesn’t make us “broken” or that we “haven’t found the right pairing”. The expectation that all characters are interested in romance (unless explicitly stated otherwise) can get rather exhausting, but hey that’s just how fandom works. I just find it ironic since I’ve always viewed it the opposite way. I rather love when characters are content being single lol
I couldn't agree more. I'm on the ace spectrum myself, and I wish there was more opportunity to explore compelling dynamics that didn't have to be romantic or sexual. With Alastor in particular, I like that the show clearly shows he can have friendships through Mimzy and Rosie, and I like the idea of him warming up to the people of the hotel in the sense of, "I don't really understand some of them, but I don't outright want to cause them harm like I do with most other people." Let the man have compelling relationships outside of romance!
I agree. I'm ace, but I consider myself demiromantic. I'm in a romantic relationship. Alastor seems less romantically "grey" than me, and even though I personally am in a relationship, I don't feel comfortable with the romantic "shipping" with Alastor. It's very obvious in the show that he's aroace, and it's so frustrating that people can't accept that. It makes me feel like people in our own community don't value or care about us. I've had A LOT of meaningful platonic relationships in my life, and I'm very capable of love, empathy, and connection.
@@ash-nr4us4dy1oI get that, but I don’t get why asexuality is labeled as a sexuality, or even part of the lgbtq, it has nothing to do with who your attracted to, but rather how your attracted to someone. I have no problem with it, I use the title myself, but is it really a sexuality?
Think about it: Having Alastor as our Aroace representation is the best thing that could have happened! With his powers, there will be nothing left to stop us on our invation on denmark! ❤
This video is the first time Id ever heard of a queerplatonic relationship, and im ngl, it was eye opening for me. I suddenly know the words to describe what Ive wanted and craved for so long with a handful of people. My little aroace heart is so happy. Thank you so much.
100% agree on "I enjoy my fanfiction, I know it's not real." Just ship whoever you want. If people don't agree on your ships because of their own perspective, it's totally fine, don't start war about it and ruin everybody's fun. Ships won't sink just because they sail to directions that is different from canon. Ships will exist if people believes it.
See this is it. Idk why people have to start conflicts for no reason, just go and enjoy what you wanna but nooo, people have to find ship content specifically just to comment hateful things about how it's wrong and what not. Just ignore it bruh it's not that hard
I generally agree with this, I just wish that people wouldn’t try to justify/explain themselves as much. Like how people brought up the whole “asexuality is a spectrum” thing. You can just… ship him for fun. It doesn’t have to be in a canonical way.
I thought this is the norm, didn’t realize people were fighting over ships? I mean the shows ships are canon either way so i do not see the point in fighting at all. Just pick your corner of the fandom you like and ignore the rest 🎉
8:45 I was waiting to comment "Isn't it harmless to have fan fiction do this" or something along the lines until I got to this part. I understand now, the issue isn't people who ship or do the art. It's people who when they get told x character is ace, instead of going "ye but it's fan fic" you go "HE COULD BE GREYSEXUAL" etc.
yeah, taking headcanons as if its canon is just disrespectful to the work, by all means, make yo crackship, make your fanfics, but dont go around claiming the LITERAL SOURCE MATERIAL is inaccurate / not complete just because it doesnt suit that
Yeah, I’d say that it’s a much larger issue across multiple fandoms where people can’t separate what they think a series/its characters should be vs what they actually are.
As someone who has been in many fandoms, i can't understand when people don't acknowledge the canon. But at the same time, i am sure i did a mistake like that in my puberty, so i try to think about them (people who can't stand the canon) as if they're just horny or something. What i'm trying to say i think is, that the "realm of imagination" and canon are separated by a thin line, but it's a very clear line when it comes to the personality of the characters. And what everyone should know is, that is not bad to make fan fiction as long as you're absolutely concious of it being part of the "imagination realm".
Yay! You're back! About Rosie's line: With her early 1900s aesthetic, she isn't exactly someone who is up to date, and most likely learns more modern terms through interactions with more modern Sinners. In general, she seems fairly social, certainly enough to attend Overlord meetings, and give advice to her cannibals. And if romance really is her specialty, then it makes sense she would eventually find out what an asexual person is. BUT being old-timey, it also makes sense she would assume that asexual and aromantic mean the same thing when they don't. One of the artists mentioned Vox actually IS into Alastor, but that was on a stream before the Pilot was even out. Whether it's still canon remains to be seen. It appears that the two used to be friends, and Vox wanting Alastor and knowing he can't have him might've contributed to their feud. Also, yes, watch Bojack. It's awesome.
Alastor beign ace means a great deal to me, and his representation has already improved my reality as well. people at school who enjoy the show are now learning of this sexuality which saves me a LOT of time and uncomfortable conversations.. it's a shame fandoms enjoy hypersexualizing and shipping every character to the point of ignoring/erasing his aroace..ness... really shows how some folks actually view us.
I'm sure this feels important to you now but the truth is you don't actually need some kind of identity group to turn down advances or to simply not engage in a conversation, at any time in your life.
Even if they don't know the specifics, Ace is used as a catch all term for the spectrum in the same way Queer is for LGBTQA+ identities. Even if that weren't the case, as someone on the spectrum I think using the term in the service of a fun joke is acceptable.
I actually really like the idea of having an episode about angel and alastor, because as said they haven’t had a lot of screen time together and it could make for an interesting pairing for an episode, someone who is a very sexual character and someone who is definitely not
people need to understand that you can respect a character's preferences and also get silly with them. its seriously not that deep and you can literally find vivziepop's OWN DRAWINGS of alastor and angel kissing and shit. like shipping is never inherently s*xual and it makes me sad that thats what people always first think... like pls 😭
Asexual = A lack or no *sexual* attraction towards people (These people have little to no sex in relationships) Aromatic = A lack or no *romantic* attraction towards people (These people have little to no romantic connection in relationships) And combining the two makes AroAce people who have no interest in dating people in general
The title alone is so true. As someone who has read Sherlock Holmes since I was 10, I don't think I have seen anyone outside of me screaming it from the rooftops EVER acknowledge that Holmes is CLEARLY asexual. The most asexual character I have ever read about. Why do people have such a massive issue with asexuals? What's wrong with us that they think we are inferior to write about?
I screeched when she called Alastor their ace-in-the-hole. It had already been implied in the pilot, so it was great to see it fully acknowledged. And yes, Sherlock is SO ace! I don't know if you read graphic novels, but in the Tintin graphic novels, imo, Tintin is totally ace.
Oh, might need to put that on the list! Read a few of the comics when I was a kid and saw the movie (The movie was so fun no cap) but graphic novels? Not yet!@@nicoleofnowhere8842
i agree about sherlock, and that ace's need more representation in writing, i'm ace and aiming to be a professional author, just finished the first draft of my first book, so if i'm able to get that published i'm aiming to have ace protagonists for most of my planned future books!
honestly i have several thoughts bouncing around my head from this video but they all boil down to "youre right and im glad you said it" and also that i adore fellow acearos and i genuinely hope you have a wonderful day
Love to see this brought up as a fellow ace/aro (somewhere on there lol). Also Todd is not just some guy /joking & goofy But in all seriousness, Todd is actually a great rep imo because he is both explicitly on the spectrum and also gets to explore his relationships/sexuality which I have never seen happen on TV for folks like us, seriously why isn't there more? Seeing Todd date made the idea that ace/aro folks can date become more of a realized thought. Both the clarity on the identity and the concept that hey, maybe you can find people with the same sexualities as you lol. Sounds like Bojack is already on your watchlist but i would 100% recommend. Todd is just one of the many great things about that show. (Though fair warning for heavier scenes and topics)
I care about what Viv says because I think it does matter what they say about their own work as long as it’s actually reflected in the word itself and they aren’t pulling a “Dumbledore was actually gay the whole time” Like if Viv says “Alastor is so and so” that’s what it is, it’s her character after all. And again whatever so and so is does have to be reasonable within the actual work and they aren’t just saying shit for whatever reason
I do feel like we need to be selective when it comes to the context she says stuff in. Is she shitposting on twitter, directly describing a character in a serious tone, having a laugh with friends on the livestreams, in a proper AMA context. Stuff like that's important to me :P
This, it really feels ignorant that the poster didn't even want to look and confirm if the creator of the show and the characters said he is aro/ace but shipping is fine because they didn't want to. Alastor has existed for a long time now and Vivzie said all of this before the actual show was out. It's not like JK Rowling who said this shit wayyyy after the show was done. Vizie has been stating this stuff since day one. I'm demi/ grey and as much as I love Alastor I'd never draw ship art because I personally don't like going outside of cannon but Vivzie gave everyone permission. Let the shippers be happy.
@@crimsonvexations for me personally I can’t ship him with anybody not just because he’s aroace but because I literally can’t see him being intimate with any of the other characters. Like the peridot example from the video, the intent to create an aroace character was there, the creator said Peridot was meant to be, but the actual portrayal looks at least greysexual and Lapidot is one of the most popular ships in that fandom While Alastor doesn’t really come off as anything more than close friends to anybody.
Finally, someone said what I've been thinking since the show came out. It's like you actually read my mind and then expressed it in a much better way than I ever could have. I'm sending this video to anyone I meet who tries to erase Alastors asexuality.
Its honestly tiring how horny shippers will try to argue the variety of asexuality by googling the difference to make their grounds sound even more solid. They're out here asking that people respect orientations when it comes to their fictional characters, but gods forbid that the red deer man they wanna peg not have a horny bone in his body. Like imagine if people kept writing Charlie heterosexual fanfiction and content. The same people arguing that Alastor is this or that in regards to asexuality, would be the same ones gravel dragging anyone who takes Charlie's bisexuality from her. As an asexual, it only goes to show how frustrating it is to navigate in a world where people keep objectifying others for their own hormonal desires.
Tbh the thing that bothers me the most (as ALSO an Asexual person, to make this clear from the get-go bc I have had people erase the fact I'm also Ace when I say stuff like this) is the plethora of people who comment on every single post that ships Alastor with...literally anyone (but Charlastor seems to get a LOT of it. And I do mean a LOT A LOT, to the point I don't look at comments on those types of posts on socmed anymore) to comment about the fact he's Ace. Even when the person shipping him, writing him, etc. Either A: Acknowledges the canon sexuality and states it's just for fun or for exploration or the usual reasons for shipping a character with another one or B: IS ALSO THE SAID ORIENTATION and uses it to explore that in a way that feels more true to them (and they know it so it's self-indulgent) or otherwise is just trying to write in a way that also gives them some acknowledgement bc holy FUCK to people tend to lean into the idea that Ace = sex repulsed/never has sex ever/is uncomfortable with sex at all and not all Aces are like that. Some genuinely don't give a fuck either way, some are fine with it and want to participate for their own individual personal reasons, etc. etc. And the majority rep usually that we get is. Repulsed Aces. So seeing it (along with misinfo comments like Charlie being a lesbian and not Bisexual, people taking the Hell's Greatest Dad song way too literally when it's clear from body language and expression that Alastor is doing it to fuck with Lucifer bc he can) so much gets. Tiring. And kind of annoying. Bc yeah, there's Aphobia in spaces, including fandom (ace discourse is...not something I'm gonna get into on a YT comment), but there's also people who tend to take the term and then proceed to use it as a bludgeon on anything they don't like to try and force people to only do what THEY want, or what conforms to Canon on a show like it's some sacred holy object and not something fanfics and fanart can use as a baseline to then tweak into which ever direction they want to explore how things would go if this thing was different, if the characters were in this situation instead of the one Canon uses. Because in the end if you don't like the stuff that's more sexual or doesn't have Alastor completely uninterested in that aspect of relationships, the filter and block buttons are right there. Use 'em. I certainly do on stuff I don't really like viewing. Bc fandom is gonna do it no matter what happens.
@@thefirecenter9624Im here to drop a much appreciated *THANK YOU* for this. Im not aro/ace but have an understanding (being Demian) of function. I also hate people essentially deciding *"Ace/aro = dies alone/incapable of love" trope.* I dont think they deserve that just from preset coding. It just stinks of...insult + pain +lonliness for those within. I like the adaptiveness of 'the scale' and how as we live it can slide a little(either way), same as all else in life. Thank you, again, for acknowledging them as people not just a definition preference/orientation.
We all know there is no way of stopping nsfw artists from doing this, but at least admit you're ignoring the characters sexuality instead of trying to cover it up
@@Down_bad_cockroach NSFW fanart doesn't IGNORE his sexuality, as asexuality is a wide spectrum. It's merely exploring other parts of the same spectrum. Other aroace people, sexrepulsed too, make nsfw Alastor art as well, as a way to explore and represent themselves, through an ace character they can relate their identity to. There's no reason to gatekeep a sexuality or a whole spectrum.
My wife didn't know she was ace until after we got married and i encouraged her to find herself in that way i mean i miss what we used to do but im happy she's happier with herself 💜
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The idea of vox secretly having a crush on alastor and alastor not giving an absolute fuck is actually a hilarious idea
That's my brothers theory on why he hates Alastor so much
I think Vox having a crush on Alastor is actually confirmed! But Alastor (obviously) doesn’t reciprocate (that might be why they have beef now)
that... makes way too much sense... damn...
this head cannon hits harder than what Adam had
"WHY WONT ALASTOR JOIN MY POLYCULE??"
I love the idea that Alastor and Rosie would marry for the tax benefits while just being besties while everyone thinks that they're head over heels for eachother
yoink! my headcanon now >:3
@@S0n3ta
_OUR_ headcanon, comrade. >;3
I just got a flashback of dialogue from the pilot for this situation-
Person- “So, you two are dating?”
Alastor- “HA! _No_ .”
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I ship em tbh but with it being exactly like this
as an aroace i definitely feel represented as a cannibal deal-making demon
You probably piss your pants at the first sign of conflict. Let’s be real.
@@quincyjones5676 I enjoy watching from the sidelines with plenty of popcorn
@@pianophase7060 lmao 🤣 nothing wrong with that
Oh deer, couldn't be more true
Too true.
Instructions unclear, Alastor is an Ace fighter pilot in my fanfic
Okay for people who don’t get it, ‘Ace’ has been a term for fighter pilots who’ve shot down Five or more enemy Aircraft since WW1.
YES BROTHER THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE JOKE I AM LAUGHING SO HARD NOW THAT YOU EXPLAINED IT HAHAHAHA
ok so for those who didn't get it, I was referencing the fact that it is extremeley off putting and just counter intuitive to explain a joke, so I made fun of that by using irony, acting as if the act of explaining really did make me laugh harder, when in reality I just cringed
@@mrdummervilleean ok, buddy. Sorry I guess?
@@mrdummervilleean I was covering my bases. What pisses you off about someone explaining a joke to make sure people don’t get the wrong message from it even if it’s not funny? You think you’re funny? You’re just being a piece of shit for no good reason.
Okay in case you didn’t get it, fuck you.
@@legomania2427You killed him. Look at what you have done. Even Charlie would be too disgusted to redeem you. For the crime of explaining a joke, yer sent to giga hell. Goodbye.
(Every sound effect in existence at once*)
@@mrdummervilleean not only does explaining the joke make the humour more accessible, it makes the context for it more accessible as well. L take. I wish more people would explain jokes. If it ruins the joke for you, that's a 'you' problem. If they don't, it's the comic making it a problem for those who don't have access to the context or humour.
Instructions unclear, shipped Alastor with Mickey Mouse and now my everything is on fire.
this is my favorite comment
I tried to imagine this for the sake of the humor in it and my brain conjured the horrible string of words spoken in a moan “you can steamboat my Willy.” I don’t know what that means, I don’t want to know what that means, I’m disturbed and horrified and I feel that this is your fault and have chosen to curse you with it as well as retribution, thank you and have a horrible day.
@@aceofspades8474 OH MY GOD. YOU CAN STEAMBOAT MY WILLY. THIS IS MY FAVORITE LINE EVER
LMAO
@@aceofspades8474 steamboat my willy 😩~
Oh boy. I sure do love it when people interpret asexual as "playing hard to get" instead of "no means no".
Well you how people are. They think no means yes and Get lost means Take me I'm yours.
lol im grey AND a woman.... welcome to my world
@@SalemFUGrey? Interesting didn't know about that skin colour!
Grey skin only happens when a black person either gets really old or gets very ashy.
They refuse to take no as an answer.
It’s actually pretty common for ace people to miss sexual jokes because it’s just not on our minds. Even if Alastor was aware what ace was it’s pretty on point for him to be blissfully unaware until someone shoves his nose in it like he’s a bad dog.
can confirm as a fellow ace, I have no clue what's going on half the time because of this, but it is really funny when I'll randomly decide to say some sort of joke abt sex (in the form of extreme sarcasm ofc) and everyone just looks at me like ":0 i didn't know she could do that"
I can't pick up on cues for romantic relationships either, like my friends were dating for TWO MONTHS before I knew. The worst part is that they thought it was pretty obvious.
FUCK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE....I constantly get weird jokes whenever I excessively cuss like when I'm dieing in a game.... something about "not typically getting people to say that outside of bed" or whatnot in a very...romatic like tone...i never understood it still dont actually...but i think...i think i keep missing sexual jokes...
shiit im ace and i didnt even catch the "Ace in the hole" joke until is aw soemone on twitter talking about
fr, i’m an aroace and this video is just covers all basis
as an aroace person, i’m fine with the topic of sex or romance, and even find it interesting
…unless it involves me. then i just get very uncomfortable, because hell no
Omg yes! This is literally me!
EXACTLYYY
I'm also aroace & this is on point
same here
Alastor: I'm not into anyone
The fandom: I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that
I imagine that Alastor could be open to a relationship. However he'd need to respect them; which makes his dating pool EXTREMELY limited.
However he is absolutely best left as ace/aro.
This comment gets even better with the Hooty pfp and imaging it in his voice… hoot hoot!!
well, r34 is a thing
The hooty pfp 🤣 love it
and my pfp its aro/ace / ace/aro
"Asexuality is a spectrum, some people experience sexual attraction!", they say about the character that is standing so close to the end of the spectrum that if they took another step, they'd fall to their death.
Laughed so hard at this comment this is SO real
That was perfectly said, extra internet points to you.
how do you know?
@@gegelastpeople who want an excuse to sexualize alastor suddenly losing the ability to decipher context clues:
YES EXACTLY! You could make that argument in another situation maybe but the man is *so clearly* sex repulsed
Ok I’ve never watched this show but the fucking “the what now” in that old showtuney-esque old timey voice and then it immediately cutting off
is sending me
Also why does the black horned angel have the same face as him I feel like there’s some same face syndrome happening here :/
it has become a vocal stim between my qp partner and I
@@gabriellemiller4779 yes there is same face syndrome literally everyone in hazbin hotel has sharp asf teeth
My ace friends are getting married soon and yet I still STILL have to explain to people all the time that just because I’m ace doesn’t mean I’m going to die alone and unhappy smh. Maybe I’ll be happy with just friends, maybe I’ll be in a queer platonic couple, maybe I’ll be in a romantic nonsexual relationship and that doesn’t mean that I’m going to be in an unfulfilling relationship!
This is why I think people struggle to understand this situation. If you are platonic you are just friends and it’s not a relationship. Platonic means friends. Romantic is understandable but to describe it as a platonic couple is factually a friendship.
@@TheMichiQuinn I agree! Language can make understanding aro/ace relationships hard for people who have never had queer platonic relationships! I wish that language evolved faster so that I had the words to describe how the love an ace person feels for their partner can be different from your cut and dry friendships among allo’s… I don’t mind ignorance, it’s not someone’s fault if they have never come across an idea before! But I get so tired of the willful ignorance! Just because you don’t understand something or don’t share a perspective doesn’t mean you can’t learn! And what’s more, you shouldn’t patronize people who experience the world differently from you no matter who you are!
"The Sexuals" sounds like a really comical band name and I love that.
First thing I thought of was the stereosexuals
@@Pumpkin_Man0 Same, honestly. 1will2wood, amigo
"The Sexuals" makes me think of a weird alternate version of The Walking Dead where the cast minus the "zombies" are some flavor of Ace
I have an idea
I should genuinely use this
Tbh I think it's weird how most Tumblr sexymen like Bill, Sans or Alastor aren't actually prone to romantic relashionships
A lot of people find disinterest in romance/sex attractive in itself. It definitely reads into the whole "but my OC is different" and "special" somehow. No shade, I thrive on that shit, but it's definitely in the category of wish fulfillment.
It's kind of a 'playing hard to get' except they actually really *are* hard to get
Tumblr sexyman is a vibe, a vibe this often is a mischievous vibe, which mischievous characters arent usually out for romance. But also, Sans litteraly "befriended" Toriel and Bill is evil why would he be into romance
On the topic of Sans (And please forgive me for bringing this up, I swear I'm not one of *them*...), does he even have a dingaling to bone with?!
(Again, I'm so sorry. I will turn myself in to horny jail...)
@Tygermite no but he has a depressed heart ♡
I’ve seen some people completely dismiss the idea of Al being Aro/Ace as well as taking signs of his manipulation as his “love” for Charlie and use it as an excuse to ship them
alastor x charlie kills my braincells
Greyace here. I see Alastor as the type who would be entirely repulsed by sexual advances and romance, but would be the one to listen to everyone else's romance problems and give advice like a podcast lol
As an aro/ace,
I will definetly put world domination above a romantic relationship of any kind.
I'm not even close to being aro/ace, but I'd also put world domination above any romantic relationship.
Maybe we should hit the white board and discuss some business plans together?
@@cinthiagoch I'm definetly interested in that whitenoard, oh boy!
@@spruce-ui2eh OK, so, I only have a rough draft so far, but I think we definitely need to start by studying the old Indiana Jones movies and learning what NOT TO DO when aiming for world domination. Maybe throw in some episodes of Pinky and the Brain for good measure, but I'd save them for later as consulting material, when we start going into the specifics of the plan.
Any thoughts on the next step?
Always >:3
@@cinthiagochjust craft some TNT on a crafting table shouldn't be that hard
in all fairness, as an ace person, id feel kind of infantilized if the ace character in hazbin wasnt completely fucked up in some way. like, every other character is a horrible person, theyre in hell for a reason, and if Alastor didnt fit in with that it could play into the “innocent naive child” stereotype of asexuals.
Apparently he's a canabalistic serial killer, which would also play into an ace stereotype (lacking humanity, ect) - but I don't think it's ever mentioned and the guy is dubious at best and ultimately a good guy so, it never mattered anyways. The show is dumb but that allows us to not think about anything at all - never mind reading too deep into a character being ace. Shots fired...but also...it's chill. As a fellow ace person.
@202cardline didn't vivz confirm that al was one of the main antagonists of hazbin?
You infantilize yourself with the stupid neogender crap
@@202cardlineI disagree in thinking him being evil is part of the "evil ace" stereotype. Part of that stereotype is the ace character being emotionless, which isn't what Alastor is at all.
There are two genders I’m sad that some people don’t get that in England there are what 53 and in America there is over 60
definitely gonna call allos 'the sexuals' from now on
The "ace in the hole" joke also means:
She's too young for you, oh don't worry, I know you're not dating her, I know you're using her for your own advantage.
Because that's what "ace in the hole" means. Like having a trick up your sleeve or a trumf card.
The sheer power of "No one can commit me to a relationship of any kind. I am unrelationshippable. You can never have me." is something I will now strive to match somewhere in my life.
alastor is so petty and antagonistic it almost makes you wonder if he's aroace purely to deprive everyone of his hotness, yet another means of psychologically torturing people for the fun of it.
I vibe with that statement so hard, to be untouchable is what I aspire for
@@PunishedMushu it actually means we’re immune
@@PunishedMushu what?
The funny fact that it has no power whatsoever because it's a personal preference
And your preference only effects you
“She’s much too young for you”
Charlie is 200 years old
She is?? I thought she was older- also a hfjone fan:0
@@Justheredoingmything And Alastor was born somewhere in early 1900s which isnt nearly close to being 200 years old
@@alexthedemon2203 oh I know that- I just thought charlie was 2000 years old-
Easy answer is hellborns age and mature differently, like fantasy elves
@@Justheredoingmything no pun intended but there's no way in hell she's just 200 years old, i'm gonna need a direct source of where it states this.
As an aeroace individual that's my only thing. Like okay ship him if you want but my god we get like no representation in anything. gay/lesbian relationships are becoming more and more 'normalized' so please just let us have this.
You DO have this. Alastor will always be ace in canon unless Vivzie changes her mind which she has no reason to. But you can't expect internet strangers who frankly don't give a fuck about you not to do whatever they want with said character. Nobody cares about orientation on any side, if they think a character is hot they're just going to do what they want.
@@jack_stone Right! Hell, I'm ace myself and only a few minutes into this video and I'm so tired. No, I don't give a shit if people ship Alistar with anyone. He's a fictional character, and very hot, and shipping hurts no one (unless, I mean, when rabid fans take this to the next level and start doxing and attacking people for real, which is frankly insane but happens)
@@jack_stonei mean, i get where youre coming from, but imo it cannot feel like proper representation if everywhere i go, i see ships with the aroace character. like ofc do whatever you want with your ships, but damn does it get tiring to see a canon sexuality ignored to the extent that alastor’s is. yeah, people ignore other canon sexualities, but it feels less frequent with other characters (i dont really see many ships of angel dust with women, and theyre not popular at all. meanwhile alastor ships arent uncommon)
like yes, hes canonically aromantic and asexual. but if i go look up fanfics, how many fics am i gonna find that even just hint at him being aro and/or ace and how many am i gonna find of him being in a romantic/sexual relationship with someone?
Yeah i don't care if people ship him or write fanfic's about him shipers will do shipper things. But it's just so annoying people said that viv needs to change his sexuality because they find it weird like, the aro and ace community is living of breadcrumbs and people even in the queer community try to take those breadcrumbs from us
It is so fuckin annoying and it barely counts as "having this" when shipping him aggressively is so accepted but guarantee if you put a gay character with the opposite gender people would go absolutely feral on you. It's like aces don't matter specifically.
I'd love if Rosie was ace aro and was just marrying people to eat them, though she's probably not and probably straight, it's still a funny little headcanon
I can totaly see her and Alastor getting married only for tax benefits and they are just two aroace's being besties
I think its been confirmed that he's Aro-Ace by Viv. It is also confirmed that he doesn't enjoy the company of men because of his issues with father when he was alive. He only enojy the company of women but platonically, that's why he hugs Mimzy and Rosie and is ok with interacting with Charlie. He never touched another dude on screen (only when killing them lol), and is easilly anoyyed with men.
Damn, didn't even notice that
HES GOT DADDY ISSUES?
Where aromantic? People keep
Saying this, but I have NEVER seen it
I think it was stated that his father was abusive, and that Alastor was a big mama's boy. But he was also a serial killer that enjoyed eating his victims, so yeah... @@galuxius1861
@@slaughtrrbeach It was confirmed in a stream with Viv, Erika and Amir a few days before the release of ep. 7 and 8, saw it personally :)
I LOVE all the explorable dynamics where Alastor doesn't date anyone with one sided Radiostatic being my absolute favorite tbh
oh my god fellow one sided radiostatic enjoyer helloooo
@@ecivon5314 🤜🤛
YES. Another one sided radiostatic enjoyer let’s gooo
@@AnnthemofArt 🤜🤛
@@AnnthemofArt WHOAAAHH I WAS *JUST* WATCHING UR ANIMATIONS LMFAAO
Radiosilence exists and it’s perfect
8:08 lol "in front of angel dust is fine though he'd probably enjoy it"
As an aroace person (I'm speaking for MYSELF, not everyone else), I don't mind shipping. It happens to every character and that's that, they're not real people. However if it comes at the cost of said shippers obscuring and invalidating aroace folks, then it's an issue for me. To me the shipping is only okay if the person doing so has a conscience that aroace people are very real and not playing up an act, weird or "defective".
Same here
same, I've basically ignored shipping fandom for everything because it's just people projecting their fetishes, nothing more, it's never about the story or how characters could work with eachother, just people that want to see two characters fuck
Yes like 🤷♀️ the fictional characters are fictional, get creative in fiction and all that, just don't be weird and/or offensive to real people... It's not that hard hehe
Yeah, I imagine it’s kind of like how characters that are effectively portrayed as being straight are shipped when they’re the same gender. I figure that similar boundaries would apply there, where it’s okay to ship but weird to get mad if anyone doesn’t ship it too. If you can’t acknowledge your personal stances on characters aren’t all canon then that’s just a bit off in general! That’s an issue I’ve seen in a lot of fandoms….
Yes!!! Even I kinda had the silly thought of "lmao crackship between Lucifer and Alastor so they just have joint custody of Charlie", but the people who go "AcTuAlLy ArOaCe PeOpLe cAn StIlL dAtE!" make my blood boil. Like yeah, but clearly that's not canon in the show. Make your crackships, I really don't care, I'll probably just avoid it, but don't try to justify it by saying it "could be canon" and just say "yeah it's not gonna happen, it's just a fun dynamic". People make up crackships all the time and the only time they try to say it could be canon is when one of the characters is canonically aro and/or ace :/
Remember when the writers of Sherlock said asexuality was "boring" and everyone agreed because that's how little the LGBTQ+ community cares about aces? Am I surprised that in 10+ years nothing has changed? Nope.
I mean the literal fight between conforming and queer liberation is still raging on and that's battle within the community that's been there since the early days of Gay rights.
@@tranidite Care to explain "conforming" and "queer liberation"? I'm bi but I don't have any idea what goes on in lgbt spaces.
I agree, and yes Ace, and Aro, are a specrtrum but i feel like people use that excuse time and time again to sexualize or romanztice Ace/Aro Charater or even worse. PEOPLE. biggest exmaple is jaiden animations, KOOLEEN JUST SEXAULIZE EVEN NOTICE JAIDEN HAS SAID MUPLTIE TIME FOR PEOPLE NOT DO THAT, AND LIKE SHE MADE A WHOLE ASS VIDEO ON WHO SHES AROACE?! LIKE THE FUCK?
But I agree the LGBTQ+ need to be more welcoming to Ace/Aro people They get heavly misrepresent, and there is so much misinfo about it, its INSANE. I genuinely feel bad because they dont have any sorta representaion and if they do it immdealy gets ruined. Aro and Ace people espesilly need love and to feel apart of the coumminty.
Normalize thinking ace characters are actually pretty cool ‼️‼️‼️‼️
@@fern_aka_that_idiot9090 sometimes I wish I was not ace, I did not choose to be like this and I don't want to be now that I know even the minories dislike my type of sexuality, but how do I change it when I was born like this?
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Just here, happy to hear another ace expound on Alastor 😅 Honestly, would also super love an episode exploring Alastor’s asexuality (like him discovering what it even is). That’d be super interesting and just a breath of fresh air IMO.
"Even among misfits you're a misfit" got me good
Still reeling that Twitter stans actually fought Amir Talai when he made a post about Alastor being aroace because Alastor makes "gay little poses". My sibling in Christ, a pose can't be gay. It can only fall under a gay caricature.
Amir said it perfectly; "You don't have to fck to be fab."
THAT SO FUNNY WHAT-??? Literally, a pose cannot be gay 🤨
Also, just let our a-spec community have aroace media representation in a while
they fought a WHO? Oh my Lucifer.. poor Amir Talai.. 😅 he came up with phenomenal comeback, tho. At least I know where it came from..
Twitter is such a cesspool, it was bad originally but Musk made it worse, smh
very true that poses can't be gay. JoJo poses being the rare exception to this. JoJo poses are extremely and objectively gay
@@GhostCabinet I do not know a single cishet JoJo fan so this seems about right.
More people need to realize that people that dont want to date or have sex exist
As an aroace when i realised alastor was asexual/aromantic i was super happy to be represented in some way, buuut i regretted my decisions when i saw him being shipped everywhere 😭
The idea of Angel helping Al discover his sexuality/romantic orientation would be SO great. The hypersexualized character helping out the acearo one feels so wholesome.
This is the only radiodust (not romantically) I really love. It’s really is wholesome:3
wym this is literally darren and cash in heartbreak high
it’s called aroace:D
@@ilovenenekusanagix3 both are used
same for the reverse! i love the idea of alastor not seeing angel as a conquest or something to have and has no ulterior motives to caring for him which he’s not used to, and angel kinda starts to learn he really is worth more than just his body
What I sometimes feel is really a downer is that people don't care about characters unless they can be shipped romantically. There is SO much value in stuff outside of romantic fanfic or fanart, and a character still can be loved and valued. It would be validating as a aro/ace person as well.
Wheres my friends to enemies fanfiction I don't see those enough lmao
RIGHT!!!! I love found family fanfic, but I always gotta filter so much romance to find it, it gets so annoying
@@marymystery4427I think thats called Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
Valid. I have an OC whose relationship with a canon character (who is heavily sexualised and lusted after in the fandom - while also being unromancable and ace) is more of a mother-daughter bond. Probably because the canon character has mommy issues and my oc lost someone they had come to see as a daughter but that's besides the point. There are definitely interesting relationships out there that aren't romantic!
as a casual shipper i totally agree, fandom is so annoyingly obsessed with romance
Vivzie basically confirmed Alastor is written to be AroAce but didnt confirm it so shippers can have their fun
and i think thats kinda bullshit, there's already like zero rep for Ace people, and im "technically" on the ace spectrum being demiromantic/demisexual but i dont really get much from ace rep, i still think its needed, same way how i want more non toxic transfem representation
I never knew there was a whole show attached to that one Verbalase animation.
Bro Verbalase single-handedly saved Hazbin.
@@TheKillerMoth
“Did you do it?”
‘Yes.’
“What did it cost?”
‘50 Thousand Dollars.’
@@TheKillerMoth not at all
@@TheKillerMoth it was insanely popular way before that
@@maisogynythe hideaway official MV is more creepy than the VERBALESE MV
I said I’m asexual at work and a coworker asked me if I would take hormone therapy to fix me
🤨🤨🤨
@camocamouflageSome coworkers _can_ get nosey and ask you if you have a bf/gf or kids, try to set you up with someone, etc. Maybe OP just said it in an attempt to shut that kind of thing down. You could just tell the coworker it's none of their business or generally say "I'm not interested in those things" but that can get awkward, too
@camocamouflage So you think that straight people shouldn't be talking about their partners too then. That's effectively straight people casually coming out all the time when they mention stuff like, "My wife/husband and I went out to such and such a place over the weekend" or the usual casual conversations about their kids etc. So you agree that they probably shouldn't be sharing that information in the first place as well? It is repeatedly coming out all the time to everyone else by discussing stuff like that. If it works in a way that ace people can't talk about themselves being ace, then it'll have to work the same way for everyone else. You shouldn't be casually bringing up your partner or giving anyone any kind of coding as to who you are in that regard either, right?
@camocamouflage Yeah, well the same applies to those coworkers. We don't need to know all their business but they share all their business, like their partners and other straight stuff, with no question or second thought and no one gets whiny about it. You're treating ace people doing it as a problem and that we shouldn't be sharing we're ace but why are you making it out to be a problem when ace people do it but aren't holding straight coworkers doing the same thing and sharing they're straight all the time to the exact same standard? Those coworkers mostly love sharing how straight they are all the time and if we suggest that maybe they want a doctor to look at fixing that, there'd be some complaining. It's on the ignorant coworkers to educate themselves, it's not our job to make them less ignorant.
I actually did take HRT for transgender reasons and it didn’t change my sexual or romantic orientation, it just gave me a stronger libido. I’m still very aroace, the biggest change in my orientation was going from no libido to All The Libido in a way that forced me to become a sex positive asexual and find an outlet for that before I went insane. Basically I just read and write erotica now but still with zero desire for it to come true.
All this to say your coworker is an ignorant dumb@ss that doesn't know the first thing about how sexual/romantic orientations work OR how hormone therapy works. The stories of people saying that HRT changed their orientation are likely due to them not having strong or frequent enough feelings to be able to accurately judge what genders they like if any before they got on HRT, perhaps even deliberately or unintentionally ignoring those feelings until having their libido dialed up to an 11 made it impossible to ignore anymore.
I love how in 3:01, despite being shirtless, Alastor still has his tie on.
*Alastor and lucifer hating each other*
The fandom: ‘hmmm yes these guys are gay af’
Well it is a really old trope of people hating eachother later getting feeling for eachother, it's just as old as childhood friends ending up falling in love
Enemies to lovers trope exists.
Also, don't be the fun police. As long as they aren't harassing viv or anyone to make it canon, literally who cares
@@skyesthelimitro I know, I’m not hating on it lol. I actually ship it I’m just making a joke on how lots of fandoms like shipping characters that hate each other 😅
@@AlastorIsAStrawberryPimp sorry for being defensive, in that case lol. I just see a LOT of unironic fun policing in this comment section lmao
@@skyesthelimitro yeah lol- as long as it’s not in a “make it canon rn” way it’s alright tbh. I like it lol :)
Cut to the saiki k fandom where the main character repeatedly says he does not care for romance and never wants to date anyone and romantic/sexual attraction alludes him and half the fandom is still like “it’s just a headcanon” or “well he could just be in denial”
It’s really sad how so many people will come up with every excuse under the sun as to why a character isn’t aro/ace like please we barely get any rep as is at least admit you’re breaking canon 😭
(Go watch saiki k btw it’s got the most aro/ace rep I’ve ever seen in my life it’s lovely)
I got through season one loving it, but im a dub watching bastard so i stopped
Ironically I ship saiki/aiura (not sexually) and your right, just scroll through any fic with saiki you get stuff like "tsundere saiki". Like no he doesn't feel that way.
@@BiTreeFrog the dub is very good lol
yeah it really does feel like the options are 'ships' or 'no close relationships, it's just fun adventures with no genuine emotional moments' which suuuuucks. I love fun adventures! I also love heart wrenching scenes that aren't just between family or romantic partners.
I kinda hate it because I can tell the creator wasn't trying to write an asexual character but rather a robotic character. While technically he is asexual, i don't think the creator at all realized what they were doing. I think they wrote him that way because he's supposed to be weird, overly logical, and somewhat apathetic. I want to see more ace characters who are ace because they just are, not because the creator wants them to feel less human.
It's so weird that asexuality is rarely represented in the media
because people dont know it exists. A is for ally, you are just shy, you haven't found the right one, there could be something wrong in your head. We are a tiny, TINY minority that is lagging behind in representation compared to the rest of the alphabet mafia. Others need to know we exist before they can represent us sadly.
I wouldn’t say that a lot of shows have asexual side characters, or at least side characters that are never shown being interested in romance. Occasionally we get a main character like Luffy from One Piece (who is canon asexual). But asexual aromantic characters are blissfully free of relationship angst and if you’re a writer or a viewer that’s boring.
As a romantic asexual I'm so sad that we almost never get any representation. There could be so much potential in writing a character that is still romantically interested in people but not sexually in a very sexualized world.
😔 Idk on one hand im glad asexuality is becoming more well known, but at the same time it feels like a lot of people are starting to assume that asexual is really just aroace and nothing else. 😢
I used to want to be a writer, but I just don't have the patience for it. I wish I could bring that vision to light myself sometimes...
@@LennyTheHopelessromantic ace fwens! :3
@@LennyTheHopelesstodd from BoJack horseman is pretty good rep for romantic aces if ur interested in seeing some rep
Oh my god. I joined a Hazbin group on Facebook and I tried to state your exact point over. And over. And over again. I DO NOT PERSONALLY CARE WHAT PEOPLE SHIP IN GOOD FUN. But seeing the defenses of their pornographic content get a blanket defense of "BUT ASEXUALITY IS A SPECTRUM" honestly triggered me from a life of pain and invalidation because of my asexuality. And then I'd get mobbed by people either not reading what I said and insisting that I was the weird asshole "ship-shaming" them or trying to allo-splain my own sexuality to me and saying that actually I was the one being acephobic because YOU SEE I was flattening the entire asexual spectrum down to one experience!
My favorite was a long list from an absolutely infuriated someone telling me to educate myself because "Asexual people can experience sexual attraction," and "Aromantic people can pine for romantic relationships."
Eventually, while the mods of that group did not decline posts that were flat out transphobic, homophobic, or racist, when I tried to give it another go to explain where I was coming from in a polite essay format, my post got declined. And then it got declined again. And that's when I decided to leave that group for my own stress.
Apparently there's some kind of cRaZy AsExUaL hate mob that's like harassing people for making fan content of Alastor??? I didn't see that, but I sure as fuck did see the same acephobic defenses of their fan content over and over again that kept reminding me of every person who had ever invalidated my identity so that was nice.
Anyway, thanks for saying it. I'd share this video around fan spaces, but I don't want to get mobbed again or bring people in who might leave mean comments.
Asexuality is a spectrum - which is why people should respect wherever ace people fit into it.
@@ozpin8329 I one hundred percent agree! I actually had a nice conversation with someone who was introduced to not only asexuality but the many distinct microidentities under the umbrella of asexuality THROUGH these acephobic defenses of fan content and realized that she actually fit one of those microidentities and I cannot express the joy I felt for her in being able to find herself. I remember my own joy when I was 19 and first discovered that asexuality was a valid identity and could stop viewing myself as some kind of broken freak. So if nothing else, this rhetoric has spread awareness and for each and every person learning about it for the first time -- either as an asexual person themselves or otherwise -- I'm grateful. But that doesn't stop the acephobic nature of these defenses OR excuse them for attacking asexual people trying to reasonably point out that behavior in good faith. I have never experienced such targeted acephobia and asexual bigotry than when I was in these groups. It was insane.
"filthy hermit who will die alone"
WHAT?! 😭😭
As an aroace dude, I'll take the demon cannibal murderer over nothing, because I literally never saw an aroace on screen before him. I literally watched Hazbin Hotel only because I heard from a RUclips community post, made by a communist RUclips channel, that there was an aroace on this show.
yess
in heartstopper (though he doesnt get much time to shine in s1, and only a little in s2) issac is aroace! in s2 they explore what issac thought was a 'crush', but turned out not being so (if im remembering correctly there is a qpr thing? been a min since i have seen the show haha) the show is pretty good. stereotypical at times, but good! it has a lot of good queer rep in it. ^.^
theres a neat asexual character in Bojack Horseman :) would recommend giving it a watch if you have the time (if you wanna know who it is a simple google search will tell you)
There are characters that are portrayed as aro/ace, but not explicitly stated as such. Big problem with them, they are almost always alien/robot or behave as such.
@@inkstainedshitpoststhe word you’re looking for is a ‘squish’, when one’s desire is more for attention/spending time with a person to get to know them better, rather than a desire to date or have spicy times with them. (The phrasing is to dodge the algorithm.)
6:34 also at some point he told Sir Pentious "this [piece of his jacket] is the most anyone managed to get off [him]", which is both "I'm untouchable in a fight" and "sex was never in the cards for me"
Oh my GODS, I discovered my asexuality through this funky radio deer man and I am ASHAMED I MISSED THAT
@@orphanobliterator9373Haha- Welcome the the club baby!:D🖤🩶🤍💜
OH! That one flew completely over my head.
Okay, that’s actually dope. It’d be sick if that was the actual intent.
... Holy fuck. That's... that's amazing. Excuse my while I add that to my headcanon.
THANK YOU! Aroace characters get slim representation and as soon as they get representation the fandom snatches it up and lights it on fire.
Womp womp
@@forkliftcertified-wd3qm okay.
@@LilPeep4Life-1 he he
Someone on a call called me an "ace in the hole" when I told them I was aro ace. I told them there was no hole and they thought that was a sex joke. I just meant I didn't play golf 💀
“Ace in the hole” is basically the same as saying “ace up my sleeve” it has nothing to do with sex and more to do with someone having so much power they can either have or get people to do whatever they want. For the love of god look up the slang that old school characters say
@@littlelotus4572BRO ACTUALLY THANKS FOR SAYING THAT i had a few friends who watched hazbin hotel told me i was like alastor (cuz im aroace and apparently “damn evil”) and keep saying that line as a refrence i just dont understand
It means asexual not aro ace
@@StolasOwl27yeah but he is probably aro
@@littlelotus4572 i am far too autistic to understand metaphorical sayings like this 😭 send help
It had been confirmed prior to the start of the series that Alastor was both Ace and Aro. So it's not a case of the writers being confused by the wording, they are deliberately writing him to be both on purpose.
You! I know you! Love your content.
@@DonnieDied Donnie pfp 👀
If what we have so far is considered deliberate, they need to up their game.
Alastor's aceness is weak shit, currently.
I don't care what Medrano said five years ago or whenever or wherever, if he's ace and it's not just lip service, it *has* to get better on screen, in the show, than "ace in the hole." The bar cannot _possibly_ be that low.
fr. i didn't get "ace in the hole" until i remembered the confirmation. If someone who DOES know this shit can miss it, it was NOT strong enough@@Cobalt360Degrees
@@Cobalt360Degrees To be fair he is very similar to me in how he acts. Always watching and waiting, being helpful in ways that take little effort until it builds up, seemingly understanding how others feel while also not caring in the slightest, and his complete missing of how his actions could be construed as romantic/sexual interest. He never actually shows any interest in any character other than Charlie, Rosie, Mimzy, Husk, and Nifty. Mimzy because they knew each other in life and she likes causing trouble, Rosie because she is powerful and they are both representatives of Cannibal Town, Husk and Nifty due to their contracts, and Charlie because she could fulfil his desire of freedom. Which, by the way, is the only desire, other than watching people fail, that he mentions all season.
Honestly, I have been WAITING for somebody to post a video like this. This addresses it really well with minimal points, and I’m honestly glad someone talked about it, because whenever someone talks about Alastor ships, it makes me kinda uncomfortable, cuz of his sexuality. I also like the detail of the spectrum, and the idea of shipping characters for dynamics, not the relationship. Thanks for making this!
I really appreciate this take on it!
There‘s something I‘d like to add: I think because there isn‘t much ace, aro or aroace representation, when there is any everyone on the spectrum tends to jump on it, which doesn’t the conflict created by people ignoring the sexuality alltogether.
You kind of touched on it in the video with people using Alastor to explore their own sexualities, or use Fanworks to create their own representation, but because it‘s such a big spectrum those works clash a lot. And as you said, that would be fine if everyone was aware of the nuances of asexuality and aromanticism, we could all just go about our day and avoid the content we don‘t like.
But 1)the majority of people not on the spectrum or close to people on the spectrum see the multitude of works and then get confused, building assumptions about what asexuality and aromanticism is based of fanworks and then, often in an attempt to „stop erasure“ start fighting about it.
2), When there is so little representation, sometimes any interpretation that doesn’t fit your own experience can feel like somebody trying to erase you. I‘ve seen people who are on the spectrums fighting each other over Alastor representations because it doesn‘t fit with their own experience. I think it‘s just hard when the spectrum is so wide that experiences can completely contradict each other and representing one might feel like it somewhat erases the other. In an ideal world, we would all just co-exit, but I‘ll be the first to admit that I felt erased when people started being so insistent Alastor couldn‘t be in any form of relationship because of his sexuality, and then started my spectrum counter argument which might have accidentally talked over the people who did feel represented by that take (I‘m trying to be more mindful about it but we‘re all human and just trying to have fun with our fiction, we‘ll make mistakes).
When that argument gets tangled with the people just ignoring the representation alltogether, it turns into the mess we now have…
As an aroace, I think you put it perfectly. I have absolutely no issue with people shipping Alastor, whether sexually or romantically, when they know that he's canonically ace and their ships are fanon for their own enjoyment. What grinds my gears a little is people insisting it could really happen in the show, and that he's not TOTALLY ace, etc etc. I've seen someone say they ship him because asexuality isn't real, that one hurt.
I am ace too and agree with this 100
Yeah, I once stumbled upon a radiodust video where alastor said that he was in heat and wasn’t actually ace, like wtf…
aro, possibly ace here, I agree completely. I partake in the fanfiction just as much as the next guy, but insisting they're actually gay/ace/aro/none of the above, etc is going into delusion territory. My one rule break is for historical shows back in the days where a character being gay would get it cancelled. For example, I 100% believe William Riker is a bisexual/pansexual man in Star Trek The Next Generation. Hell even the actor considers Riker to be not straight, but the time period was terrified or actively showing disgust at characters being not straight. Maybe I'm just going against my original point with this lol
Sadly, a lot of people can't possibly conceive of the notion of not wanting to screw something.
Questioning aro bisexual here. I’m attracted to both men and women but I don’t do relationships. Even though I’m not ace, the « asexuality isn’t real » part hurt as well. The amount of times I’ve been told bisexuality is just being desperate and a phase. Then aromatic is just trying to be edgy/lying/cold. I wish people would just leave us ALONE.
Holy FUCK, thank god someone said it. I'm aroace, and I think shipping characters on the ace/aro spectrum is completely fine, so long as you don't start to expect it in cannon, or tell people that they can't ship the character with anyone else. You've voiced that perfectly, and I thank you for it.
THIS! 👏
I was trying to write a comment like this, but you put it much better.
As an aroace (aego) that ships a variety of characters with no regard for the Canon™ identities, the way a lot of people behave when it comes to shipping is wild to me.
Oh thank god I found the comment I was gonna leave, lmao. I'm demi/aego and grew up with "canon-non-compliant" fanfics haunting my waking hours between the fluff on Quizilla. I've never cared about what happens in AUs because by design they're not canon, they're what ifs that range from one small change in the canon story to entire new genres and worlds. The idea that a "what if" of this aroace character being nudged one way or the other across the spectrum for the sake of a good story is interesting if it's done well.
It's just never going to BE CANON and the fact people are upset about that... Confuses me.
Fr like people, there’s nothing wrong with shipping aroace characters, just don’t try to push it as ‘possible canon’
Exactly! My friend told me they like RadioRose but they think it doesn't fit the cannon. Hi my name is Cooki3 and I'm aroace.
Yeah fr, fan content shouldn't ever be expected to keep canon compliant in any sort of way. That doesn't mean that we should expect canon to change to meet our ships, I thought this was obvious
personally, as an aroace person, i don't care who you ship who with (as long as it isn't yk illegal and gross idgaf that they're in hell it's still weird), people create homoerotic relationships with canonically straight characters and nobody seems to care about that, why should it be different just because i'm apart of the lgbtq community?
I REALLY hope we get more aroace Alastor in canon, I’m grayromantic myself and yet here I am screaming when I see aroace rep on the evil sometimes sexual demon show. Also fuck everyone Emily is also aroace (grayromantic + asexual in this case) because I said so.
Also apparently according to the wiki (haha very reliable) Mimzy and Alastor apparently dated in early development before Alastor was chosen to be Aroace.
Considering how hyper sexual and sex obsessed our society is right now, I can see why most people do not get asexuality or aromanticism. They may likely confuse it with sexual aversion or sexual revulsion.
Or celibacy, even though celibacy is a choice, whereas asexuality is not.
being sex repulsed can be a part of being aroace.
It's like people forgot that platonic relationships exist. Asexuality isn't a real thing, it's 100% made up on social media for people to feel special about being incels.
Right now? The world has always been sex obsessed. Haven't you ever read any Greek mythologies? lol Jokes aside, sex sells, unfortunately. That's something that will never change, and companies/producers know that. So, it's hard to spread representation, even if someone wants to, when the vast majority is louder then the minority.
As a demiromantic (or kind of demiromantic, I'm still not sure. So far I know that I'm deffinitally not romantic) I'm kind of annoyed that everybody should have a partner, and when they don't then they must be weird or sad. I get why fans are shipping him, I used to do that as a child. But I also hate when people don't understand aro-ace people and how they can be happy with just friends and family. We don't have to like the same things, chill out.
Viv has actually stated in old live streams that he is aroace, but that doesn’t really translate into the joke. She has also gone on to state he doesn’t realize that he is, and just thinks he hasn’t met the right person (which makes sense given the time period he was alive in).
Also if you like Owl House, Lilith is confirmed to be AroAce
As much as it doesn’t translate into the joke, I think i’m better off in the world where Rosie doesn’t go “Oh I’m just kidding, I know you’re Asexual Aromantic.”
@@cryptidkoi8418 agreed.
man I love Lilith
MYSTREET PFP SPOTTED IN THE WILD?!??!?!?!
anyways:
i appreciate the enthusiasm, but i think this is exactly what misty meant about death of the author. lilith's sexuality isn't in the show at all, so her aroace identity -- although lovely to be confirmed -- isn't really the perfect rep we need, y'know? dont get me wrong, i love toh and lilith, but i certainly wouldnt recommend toh on the basis of aroace representation
same with alastor. even though it was confirmed by viv, it's more about what's actually IN the show that counts
WAIT WHERE WAS LILITH CONFIRMED TO BE AROACE??
just came back after the gaster followup to watch some of your other stuff and. shit. this video is non-stop incredible fire takes. if everything you make is this eloquent you might be my new hero
THANK YOU SM FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS BUT YOU SAID IT SO MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD, YOU ARE VERY CORRECT ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINJS ALSO
Something often missed by the “spectrum” crowds is that intelligence and consciousness also are a spectrum. Some people are perfectly capable of understanding nuance and some people simply can’t no matter how much you yell at them.
OMG Perfect comment for this topic! Thank you, you have said ALL that needs to be said.
I think empathy could also be on a spectrum, because people are less likely to understand your message when you yell at them
@@kattaplez721it is
Yeah, we kinda forget about how much people are different.
Awesome comment!
A hot character being ace is, and always has been a recipe for diseaster. Great video!
There are hot people who are ace :3
@@oddbunchyeet28Me ;)
I suppose aroace ppl can never be conventionally attractive, I suppose c:
It's only a recipe for disaster when people can't leave others to their own business. People being attracted to a character does not hurt anyone, it's their business and you don't have to view the content. As an acearo I'm more frustrated with how aces are losing their minds over this. The internet doesn't belong to you.
@@pastelmusic409 True true, it is a bit annoying when a character is coded ace but then the internet collectively goes "no, ours now" :P
I love this video, thanks. Not so much half of the comments beneath it but I'm just going to stop reading them
Personally, i think it's fun to imagine that Alastor and Vox were at some point dating but then broke up after Alastor realized he was aromantic.
"trying to justify your erasure of one of our few characters" was exactly how I was thinking so true bestie.
How is it erasure if it's just the person's fan art or story and the actual canon character remains ace? You all are as bad as the mob that went after that girl for drawing a scene from the black little mermaid movie in the style of the Disney cartoon because she wanted to mess with a different aesthetic. Somehow her one little piece of fanart was deemed "erasure" as if the whole movie and black character no longer existed in canon. It's a very authoritarian and strange attitude to have in regards to art in general.
@@jamesthepatriot6213 I think you're misunderstanding my words, and I'm assuming the words of the video as well.
We aren't asking people to stop making fanart and fic. What we want is for people to recognize the fact that this is an aroace character. Not try to explain it away using excuses.
There's a difference between "I'm drawing this aroace character in a relationship and having sex because its fun" and "I refuse to accept this character is aroace".
Which yes, PLENTY OF PEOPLE DO.
Anyone is free to do as that want with fan content. All we ask is people to acknowledge that this character is meant to be aroace. There's already so little representation in media of aro and ace people.
What we want in this case, as well as in reality, is for our existence to be recognized and respected.
And I don't think that's a lot to ask for.
I love the fact Rosie is more aware of relationships and sexualities and stuff. She's also really good at helping, Alastor trusts her somewhat and they're friends so he could totally learn from her whether he does that by watching her help Charlie or her helping him with his sexuality from the sidelines it's just a really cute dynamic
Rosie's power seemingly comes from being a charming person. She gets people to tell her everything, and is very proficient at social interactions. Someone like her is extremely valuable for a schemer like Alastor.
I'm aroace and being menacing instead of being weird and broken is a positive change.
I'm beyond ascension right now and I've encountered your content, so it must be fate! I look forward to your progress!
As an aroace-spec hooman myself, im genuinly fine with peopl shipping aroace character for fun dynamics.. but the fandom almost always use excuses to just forget about or erase the fact the characters is aroace, which genuinely makes me SO uncomfortable.. 😅
This
If its as a joke
Otherwise its morally gross
To me its like shipping a lesbian with a man, a gay with a woman, just no
The fandom is insane, platonic relationships just aren't allowed to exist
I didn’t know we got erased like this, I hope it at least starts happening less
As someone who is romantically attracted to people, but ace, when it comes to canonical ace characters, if I do ship them with a character because I think the character dynamics are fun, then it's just a platonic ship. That's just how I go about it anyway.
I kinda like the idea of him accidentally coming off as seductive to someone, realizing it, and rolling with it to ultimately laugh in their face. also I love his pin-up on the official merch site because it's just his tie askew and he's not shirtless or something that would seem weird for his character.
It is definitely like Alastor to give someone false hope and then go "Ha, you really thought I LIKED you?".
9:37 Willy wonka ass haircut
Am I the only one who immediately smashed the subscriber button with a sledgehammer about 5 minutes through?
I feel like it’s difficult to get aro/ace representation “right” because of just how diverse everyone’s experiences are on the spectrum. But I suppose that could be said for other sexualities as well. I do agree that it gets rather tiresome when fandom constantly glosses over those who are genuinely repulsed by intimacy, but it’s also nice when there’s room to interpret a character in the grey or fluctuating area. One major red flag when exploring aro/ace characters is when the romance/sex is forced onto them without consent. Any semblance of a “I can fix him” mentality when approaching the subject of asexuality can get real uncomfortable and devolve into unwanted sexual harassment. Another awful trend is depicting aro/ace characters to be “emotionless” or lacking any empathy for those around them. I don’t understand where this stereotype came from but it’s really harmful and it sucks how others can’t acknowledge platonic relationships to be just as fulfilling. Just because we lack those desires doesn’t make us “broken” or that we “haven’t found the right pairing”. The expectation that all characters are interested in romance (unless explicitly stated otherwise) can get rather exhausting, but hey that’s just how fandom works. I just find it ironic since I’ve always viewed it the opposite way. I rather love when characters are content being single lol
I couldn't agree more. I'm on the ace spectrum myself, and I wish there was more opportunity to explore compelling dynamics that didn't have to be romantic or sexual. With Alastor in particular, I like that the show clearly shows he can have friendships through Mimzy and Rosie, and I like the idea of him warming up to the people of the hotel in the sense of, "I don't really understand some of them, but I don't outright want to cause them harm like I do with most other people." Let the man have compelling relationships outside of romance!
I agree. I'm ace, but I consider myself demiromantic. I'm in a romantic relationship. Alastor seems less romantically "grey" than me, and even though I personally am in a relationship, I don't feel comfortable with the romantic "shipping" with Alastor. It's very obvious in the show that he's aroace, and it's so frustrating that people can't accept that. It makes me feel like people in our own community don't value or care about us. I've had A LOT of meaningful platonic relationships in my life, and I'm very capable of love, empathy, and connection.
Alastor cares about nifty
Am I wrong in thinking this label is a bit unnecessary and causes more confusion than feeling embraced by a community?
@@ash-nr4us4dy1oI get that, but I don’t get why asexuality is labeled as a sexuality, or even part of the lgbtq, it has nothing to do with who your attracted to, but rather how your attracted to someone. I have no problem with it, I use the title myself, but is it really a sexuality?
Think about it: Having Alastor as our Aroace representation is the best thing that could have happened! With his powers, there will be nothing left to stop us on our invation on denmark! ❤
... 😱 Wait, is the invasion still on? Dammit, I'm *still* not on the mailing list.
And probably also nothing left of Denmark, either.
WE CAN TAKE OVER LEGO LAND ALSO I JUST REALIZED- :D
@@c.b.- I think we changed it to wanting to make our own island.
@@conor_gacha1999 OMG YES!!!!!
update: just binged it, excellent show and it now lives rent free in my head.
This video is the first time Id ever heard of a queerplatonic relationship, and im ngl, it was eye opening for me.
I suddenly know the words to describe what Ive wanted and craved for so long with a handful of people.
My little aroace heart is so happy.
Thank you so much.
"lesbians get she'ra and i get a demon cannibal murderer" I get both😈
100% agree on "I enjoy my fanfiction, I know it's not real."
Just ship whoever you want.
If people don't agree on your ships because of their own perspective, it's totally fine, don't start war about it and ruin everybody's fun.
Ships won't sink just because they sail to directions that is different from canon.
Ships will exist if people believes it.
I agree fanfiction are for fun
See this is it. Idk why people have to start conflicts for no reason, just go and enjoy what you wanna but nooo, people have to find ship content specifically just to comment hateful things about how it's wrong and what not. Just ignore it bruh it's not that hard
I generally agree with this, I just wish that people wouldn’t try to justify/explain themselves as much. Like how people brought up the whole “asexuality is a spectrum” thing. You can just… ship him for fun. It doesn’t have to be in a canonical way.
I thought this is the norm, didn’t realize people were fighting over ships? I mean the shows ships are canon either way so i do not see the point in fighting at all.
Just pick your corner of the fandom you like and ignore the rest 🎉
@@wolpifoxI agree
Your fanfic ideas are incredible.
I really like this video, despite not watching anything of the show, really nice explanation, i loved it!
8:45 I was waiting to comment "Isn't it harmless to have fan fiction do this" or something along the lines until I got to this part.
I understand now, the issue isn't people who ship or do the art. It's people who when they get told x character is ace, instead of going "ye but it's fan fic" you go "HE COULD BE GREYSEXUAL" etc.
yeah, taking headcanons as if its canon is just disrespectful to the work, by all means, make yo crackship, make your fanfics, but dont go around claiming the LITERAL SOURCE MATERIAL is inaccurate / not complete just because it doesnt suit that
Exactly this. It's crazy the amount of people who do that
Yeah, I’d say that it’s a much larger issue across multiple fandoms where people can’t separate what they think a series/its characters should be vs what they actually are.
It's denial, denial, denial.
As someone who has been in many fandoms, i can't understand when people don't acknowledge the canon. But at the same time, i am sure i did a mistake like that in my puberty, so i try to think about them (people who can't stand the canon) as if they're just horny or something.
What i'm trying to say i think is, that the "realm of imagination" and canon are separated by a thin line, but it's a very clear line when it comes to the personality of the characters. And what everyone should know is, that is not bad to make fan fiction as long as you're absolutely concious of it being part of the "imagination realm".
Yay! You're back!
About Rosie's line: With her early 1900s aesthetic, she isn't exactly someone who is up to date, and most likely learns more modern terms through interactions with more modern Sinners. In general, she seems fairly social, certainly enough to attend Overlord meetings, and give advice to her cannibals. And if romance really is her specialty, then it makes sense she would eventually find out what an asexual person is. BUT being old-timey, it also makes sense she would assume that asexual and aromantic mean the same thing when they don't.
One of the artists mentioned Vox actually IS into Alastor, but that was on a stream before the Pilot was even out. Whether it's still canon remains to be seen. It appears that the two used to be friends, and Vox wanting Alastor and knowing he can't have him might've contributed to their feud.
Also, yes, watch Bojack. It's awesome.
“Ace in the hole” = “ace up my sleeve” it has nothing to do with sex, look it up
There CAN be a justification for why she didn't mention aromanticism but that doesn't mean it's a good decision
@@JoelTheParrot Oh, of course. But that's just for everyone to decide for themselves.
ye@@freakcircus6109
and "aroace in the hole" doesn't fit the saying, nor does it roll off the tongue quite as well
Shipping and people’s personal headcanons are so powerful that they dare rival against what’s canonical. Kinda crazy to think about.
7:50 yeah but they also have a father daughter sort of relationship which also makes it uncomforitable
Alastor beign ace means a great deal to me, and his representation has already improved my reality as well. people at school who enjoy the show are now learning of this sexuality which saves me a LOT of time and uncomfortable conversations.. it's a shame fandoms enjoy hypersexualizing and shipping every character to the point of ignoring/erasing his aroace..ness... really shows how some folks actually view us.
I'm sure this feels important to you now but the truth is you don't actually need some kind of identity group to turn down advances or to simply not engage in a conversation, at any time in your life.
@@JazukaiXbut it sure helps when people *understand* that they aren't going to sleep with you!
@@JazukaiX apples and oranges.
2:25 The writers definitely DO know the difference, they just said "Ace in the hole" for that joke. That doesn´t mean they don´t know the difference.
Even if they don't know the specifics, Ace is used as a catch all term for the spectrum in the same way Queer is for LGBTQA+ identities. Even if that weren't the case, as someone on the spectrum I think using the term in the service of a fun joke is acceptable.
Yeah but he’s aro and ace
I thought that was pretty obvious too, I didn’t know it was confusing some people..
I actually really like the idea of having an episode about angel and alastor, because as said they haven’t had a lot of screen time together and it could make for an interesting pairing for an episode, someone who is a very sexual character and someone who is definitely not
people need to understand that you can respect a character's preferences and also get silly with them. its seriously not that deep and you can literally find vivziepop's OWN DRAWINGS of alastor and angel kissing and shit. like shipping is never inherently s*xual and it makes me sad that thats what people always first think... like pls 😭
“Viv never said he was aromantic”
She said he was aroace from the very beginning and still does say he’s aroace.
3:22
I’m actually surprised that more people didn’t know.
Asexual = A lack or no *sexual* attraction towards people (These people have little to no sex in relationships)
Aromatic = A lack or no *romantic* attraction towards people (These people have little to no romantic connection in relationships)
And combining the two makes AroAce people who have no interest in dating people in general
If I remember correctly, he was originally supposed to be with Mimzy, but that was eventually changed
@@indexp5338 True, it changed so long ago too
@@indexp5338 yep, but that was changed even before the pilot had been released
The title alone is so true.
As someone who has read Sherlock Holmes since I was 10, I don't think I have seen anyone outside of me screaming it from the rooftops EVER acknowledge that Holmes is CLEARLY asexual. The most asexual character I have ever read about.
Why do people have such a massive issue with asexuals? What's wrong with us that they think we are inferior to write about?
Oh yeah, I was shoked to see how many people though he was ''just gay''. Like no, he has not shown interest that way toward anyone!
I screeched when she called Alastor their ace-in-the-hole. It had already been implied in the pilot, so it was great to see it fully acknowledged. And yes, Sherlock is SO ace! I don't know if you read graphic novels, but in the Tintin graphic novels, imo, Tintin is totally ace.
@@saragreenfire4515 Yes! He shows total aversion to Angel's snarky advances in the series and the pilot.
Oh, might need to put that on the list! Read a few of the comics when I was a kid and saw the movie (The movie was so fun no cap) but graphic novels? Not yet!@@nicoleofnowhere8842
i agree about sherlock, and that ace's need more representation in writing, i'm ace and aiming to be a professional author, just finished the first draft of my first book, so if i'm able to get that published i'm aiming to have ace protagonists for most of my planned future books!
honestly i have several thoughts bouncing around my head from this video but they all boil down to "youre right and im glad you said it" and also that i adore fellow acearos and i genuinely hope you have a wonderful day
Love to see this brought up as a fellow ace/aro (somewhere on there lol).
Also Todd is not just some guy /joking & goofy
But in all seriousness, Todd is actually a great rep imo because he is both explicitly on the spectrum and also gets to explore his relationships/sexuality which I have never seen happen on TV for folks like us, seriously why isn't there more?
Seeing Todd date made the idea that ace/aro folks can date become more of a realized thought. Both the clarity on the identity and the concept that hey, maybe you can find people with the same sexualities as you lol.
Sounds like Bojack is already on your watchlist but i would 100% recommend. Todd is just one of the many great things about that show. (Though fair warning for heavier scenes and topics)
I care about what Viv says because I think it does matter what they say about their own work as long as it’s actually reflected in the word itself and they aren’t pulling a “Dumbledore was actually gay the whole time”
Like if Viv says “Alastor is so and so” that’s what it is, it’s her character after all. And again whatever so and so is does have to be reasonable within the actual work and they aren’t just saying shit for whatever reason
I do feel like we need to be selective when it comes to the context she says stuff in. Is she shitposting on twitter, directly describing a character in a serious tone, having a laugh with friends on the livestreams, in a proper AMA context. Stuff like that's important to me :P
@@NikkiBudders absolutely context is important 100% agree
This, it really feels ignorant that the poster didn't even want to look and confirm if the creator of the show and the characters said he is aro/ace but shipping is fine because they didn't want to. Alastor has existed for a long time now and Vivzie said all of this before the actual show was out. It's not like JK Rowling who said this shit wayyyy after the show was done. Vizie has been stating this stuff since day one.
I'm demi/ grey and as much as I love Alastor I'd never draw ship art because I personally don't like going outside of cannon but Vivzie gave everyone permission. Let the shippers be happy.
@@crimsonvexations for me personally I can’t ship him with anybody not just because he’s aroace but because I literally can’t see him being intimate with any of the other characters.
Like the peridot example from the video, the intent to create an aroace character was there, the creator said Peridot was meant to be, but the actual portrayal looks at least greysexual and Lapidot is one of the most popular ships in that fandom
While Alastor doesn’t really come off as anything more than close friends to anybody.
@@kaylaa2204 Rosie is the only one I could see Alastor with and it wouldn't be a sexual relationship. More like platonic life partners.
"The sexuals" that would make an amazing band name for hazbins season 2
Husker: "Gee, Angel, I think you'd be a shoe-in for that band."
Angel: "Pfft... They couldn't handle me."
I think the Vox of an unrequited crush on Alastor is already strongly implied regardless of how its stated.
Finally, someone said what I've been thinking since the show came out. It's like you actually read my mind and then expressed it in a much better way than I ever could have. I'm sending this video to anyone I meet who tries to erase Alastors asexuality.
Its honestly tiring how horny shippers will try to argue the variety of asexuality by googling the difference to make their grounds sound even more solid.
They're out here asking that people respect orientations when it comes to their fictional characters, but gods forbid that the red deer man they wanna peg not have a horny bone in his body.
Like imagine if people kept writing Charlie heterosexual fanfiction and content. The same people arguing that Alastor is this or that in regards to asexuality, would be the same ones gravel dragging anyone who takes Charlie's bisexuality from her.
As an asexual, it only goes to show how frustrating it is to navigate in a world where people keep objectifying others for their own hormonal desires.
These people are hypocrites.
Tbh the thing that bothers me the most (as ALSO an Asexual person, to make this clear from the get-go bc I have had people erase the fact I'm also Ace when I say stuff like this) is the plethora of people who comment on every single post that ships Alastor with...literally anyone (but Charlastor seems to get a LOT of it. And I do mean a LOT A LOT, to the point I don't look at comments on those types of posts on socmed anymore) to comment about the fact he's Ace. Even when the person shipping him, writing him, etc. Either A: Acknowledges the canon sexuality and states it's just for fun or for exploration or the usual reasons for shipping a character with another one or B: IS ALSO THE SAID ORIENTATION and uses it to explore that in a way that feels more true to them (and they know it so it's self-indulgent) or otherwise is just trying to write in a way that also gives them some acknowledgement bc holy FUCK to people tend to lean into the idea that Ace = sex repulsed/never has sex ever/is uncomfortable with sex at all and not all Aces are like that. Some genuinely don't give a fuck either way, some are fine with it and want to participate for their own individual personal reasons, etc. etc. And the majority rep usually that we get is. Repulsed Aces.
So seeing it (along with misinfo comments like Charlie being a lesbian and not Bisexual, people taking the Hell's Greatest Dad song way too literally when it's clear from body language and expression that Alastor is doing it to fuck with Lucifer bc he can) so much gets. Tiring. And kind of annoying. Bc yeah, there's Aphobia in spaces, including fandom (ace discourse is...not something I'm gonna get into on a YT comment), but there's also people who tend to take the term and then proceed to use it as a bludgeon on anything they don't like to try and force people to only do what THEY want, or what conforms to Canon on a show like it's some sacred holy object and not something fanfics and fanart can use as a baseline to then tweak into which ever direction they want to explore how things would go if this thing was different, if the characters were in this situation instead of the one Canon uses.
Because in the end if you don't like the stuff that's more sexual or doesn't have Alastor completely uninterested in that aspect of relationships, the filter and block buttons are right there. Use 'em. I certainly do on stuff I don't really like viewing. Bc fandom is gonna do it no matter what happens.
@@thefirecenter9624Im here to drop a much appreciated *THANK YOU* for this. Im not aro/ace but have an understanding (being Demian) of function. I also hate people essentially deciding *"Ace/aro = dies alone/incapable of love" trope.*
I dont think they deserve that just from preset coding. It just stinks of...insult + pain +lonliness for those within. I like the adaptiveness of 'the scale' and how as we live it can slide a little(either way), same as all else in life.
Thank you, again, for acknowledging them as people not just a definition preference/orientation.
We all know there is no way of stopping nsfw artists from doing this, but at least admit you're ignoring the characters sexuality instead of trying to cover it up
@@Down_bad_cockroach NSFW fanart doesn't IGNORE his sexuality, as asexuality is a wide spectrum. It's merely exploring other parts of the same spectrum.
Other aroace people, sexrepulsed too, make nsfw Alastor art as well, as a way to explore and represent themselves, through an ace character they can relate their identity to.
There's no reason to gatekeep a sexuality or a whole spectrum.
My wife didn't know she was ace until after we got married and i encouraged her to find herself in that way i mean i miss what we used to do but im happy she's happier with herself 💜
Something tells me your wife just isn't sexually attracted to you lmao