seth is so anxious. body language says alot when playing magic. seths says "just pass the turn back to me so i can fire off all my burn spells and attack"
Seth always looks like he's about to start crying or whine or something. I'm not sure if that's how his face sits but he just always looks really upset. Was he a former pod or delver deck pilot?
What Seth should have done, and Seth admits this mistake later was he should have on turn 3, attacked with goblin guide and eidolon, bring Justin to 10, cast second eidolon and suspending rift bolt. If Justin casts the hive mind, summoner pact, take 4 of his eidolons then upkeep, rift bolt, stack bolt on top and then stack pact at the bottom so Justin loses first. Similarly, if Justin had a Titan, the bolt and rift could have killed the Titan and allowed Seth go in with a second goblin guide and swift spear.
Probably because popping off the Amulet would let Justin resolve a Titan if he had an untapped land in hand or on the draw rather then popping a land which would not allow a Titan to be played.
(Spoiler) I'm so glad Justin won. The endless interactions and possibilities of Amulet Bloom are so much more interesting to watch than a flurry of red cards.
stolenrims Actually, I'm wrong. I thought Justin Cohen was the Bloom Titan player that was disqualified for cheating, but I was thinking of Stephen Speck. Apologies to Cohen, he won this match fair and square.
SmellyJelly4MyBelly Ah yeah. I feel like Speck gave the bloom deck a bad name for a lot of people. At least locally, a lot of people I meet seem to think that because Speck cheated the deck must not be good enough to win on its own. I think that it does have high variance but it's not as fragile as most combo decks, and it's certainly not "bad." Thanks a lot, Speck...
+stolenrims speck is probly the reason almost every article about the deck talks about the T2-3 kill like it happens every few games and why people think its ban-worthy. If people took the time to watch the deck get played for real by a good player like Justin, they would see it's hard to pilot, the kill is inconsistent (Burn, Infect and Affinity are more likely to kill T2-3) and that it doesn't need to be banned. Speck should be but not Titan Bloom.
I'm not sure why Cohen didn't grab Slayer's Stronghold and Boros Garrison with Primetime in game 3. He gets to grab 2 extra lands and deals 8 damage that way, with no downside.
Summoner's pact costs 2GG on his next upkeep. If he did pick Boros Garrison and Slayers' Stronghold, he would not have 2 green mana sources and would lose the game.
Max Peeters No; after Garrison and Stronghold untap from Amulet, he activates them, then returns Stronghold to hand with the Garrison Trigger, then he attacks, gets a second trigger, searches up Radiant Fountain/Khalni Garden/Tolaria West and another green Karoo, returns the other effect land and ends up with 2 more mana, plus another effect, with his opponent at less life.
If Seth had boarded in paths to deal with the titan, he could have pathed the titan before the attack trigger. If Justin had gotten the boros garrison and slayer stronghold (seth was even representing path with an open fetchland), then Justin would have lost on his next upkeep, unable to pay for the pact because of the required green mana. So there is not "no downside", he was playing around something very specific that could have lost him the game.
Couldn't seth have won game 1 by playing guide, attacking with both and suspend rift bolt? that would have left Justing at 8 life, pact would leave him at 6 and on upkeep rift bolt + lightning bolt = 0
Nicolas Landau jus watched that game again n seth took another line where he didnt want to give lands to cohen cause cohen needs lands to go off as u saw that game, all cohen needs are more lands plus an amulet off the top to go off n kill via prime time, again seth doesnt have information from cohen's hand. BUt u are right seth does control both those triggers so my previous statement is wrong.
The vast majority of spells in Modern (easily 80-90%) of ALL decks cost 3 or less mana, meaning the Burn deck gets a free Shock for every one of those spells the opponent plays. Since Burn barely cares about its own life total and only wants to get the opponent's life total to 0 as fast as possible, Eidolon is a great card (in most match-ups).
im soooo happy bloom got banned. its fucked. the first time i ever played modern i played a green devotion deck and in that day all 4 of my rounds were against amulet bloom. and there were 2 more people playing that deck out of the total 18 i didnt play again for a few weeks cause thats what i thought modern was. everyone playing the same couple of top teir decks without any innovation
But that's what Modern is suppose to do. WotC defines it as a wide-area format due to using all of these interesting spells, and potentially break any card people underestimates. For Summer Bloom and Splinter Twin being banned absolutely makes any sense because these are cards thst can easily be countered or played around.
+Aquaman That's how the deck gain popularity. Like the commentators implied, Amulet Bloom used to be a deck that never got its shine in modern, until someone finally modified it to make it better. Now that people know it's good, people will find different angles to make it even better via mainboard or sideboard.
Yeah there is. If Justin gets stronghold + boros garrison and Seth Path to Exile the Titan before the attack, Justin loses because he can't pay the pact.
I mean dude is playing a deck that takes a lot of thinking. Not something that is like I hit your creature or you. In this match up he is always going to be the slowest of the players. When you play burn you legit map out the first few turns(if not the whole game) around your opening hand.
It's fun to see how much proplayers try to make games difficult... This format is totally brainless, if you play first you win 90% of the time, 1 drops are too strong. Look at this game 1!!! If manfield would have played second he would have lost so bad... Every one who play a lot could achieve a lot, if rules does not change (like "if you play second you can put 2 lands the first turn). Or "you have 1 mana flooting that you can spend only one time in the match whenever you want" like heartstone... Wake up blizzard
Cohen had the Card "Hive Mind" on the board. What it does is make your opponent copy spells that you cast. Then Cohen played Summoners pact. Seth was forced to play Summoners Pact because of the Hive mind. Summoners pact has the caveat that on your next upkeep you must pay 2 Green and 2 colourless mana or else you lose the game. Seth couldn't pay for it so he lost the game.
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seth is so anxious. body language says alot when playing magic. seths says "just pass the turn back to me so i can fire off all my burn spells and attack"
Seth always looks like he's about to start crying or whine or something. I'm not sure if that's how his face sits but he just always looks really upset. Was he a former pod or delver deck pilot?
I know he played some pod before its ban
Lol I was just about to comment that XD
Seth knows that you can't do anything in this format if you starts second...
@@JankyDice96 He started first :)
And lost.
I love comments like yours that don't age well at all.
Technical director made a bit of a slip at 14:38 lol.
What Seth should have done, and Seth admits this mistake later was he should have on turn 3, attacked with goblin guide and eidolon, bring Justin to 10, cast second eidolon and suspending rift bolt. If Justin casts the hive mind, summoner pact, take 4 of his eidolons then upkeep, rift bolt, stack bolt on top and then stack pact at the bottom so Justin loses first.
Similarly, if Justin had a Titan, the bolt and rift could have killed the Titan and allowed Seth go in with a second goblin guide and swift spear.
He had only 2 lands. If he played second eidolon, no mana to suspend rift bolt.
That is not how the stack resolves. Rift would be on bottom of the stack at all times. Active non active player.
@@malcolmadair8373 but it's seth's copy of pact though
@@malcolmadair8373 Seth controls the pact copy, so he can stack them as he pleases
Why not destructive revelry at about 37:20?
Probably because popping off the Amulet would let Justin resolve a Titan if he had an untapped land in hand or on the draw rather then popping a land which would not allow a Titan to be played.
(Spoiler) I'm so glad Justin won. The endless interactions and possibilities of Amulet Bloom are so much more interesting to watch than a flurry of red cards.
Lemonducky86 ìf only he could've done it honestly :(
SmellyJelly4MyBelly what are you talking about?
stolenrims Actually, I'm wrong. I thought Justin Cohen was the Bloom Titan player
that was disqualified for cheating, but I was thinking of Stephen Speck.
Apologies to Cohen, he won this match fair and square.
SmellyJelly4MyBelly Ah yeah. I feel like Speck gave the bloom deck a bad name for a lot of people. At least locally, a lot of people I meet seem to think that because Speck cheated the deck must not be good enough to win on its own. I think that it does have high variance but it's not as fragile as most combo decks, and it's certainly not "bad."
Thanks a lot, Speck...
+stolenrims speck is probly the reason almost every article about the deck talks about the T2-3 kill like it happens every few games and why people think its ban-worthy.
If people took the time to watch the deck get played for real by a good player like Justin, they would see it's hard to pilot, the kill is inconsistent (Burn, Infect and Affinity are more likely to kill T2-3) and that it doesn't need to be banned. Speck should be but not Titan Bloom.
I'm not sure why Cohen didn't grab Slayer's Stronghold and Boros Garrison with Primetime in game 3. He gets to grab 2 extra lands and deals 8 damage that way, with no downside.
Summoner's pact costs 2GG on his next upkeep.
If he did pick Boros Garrison and Slayers' Stronghold, he would not have 2 green mana sources and would lose the game.
Max Peeters No; after Garrison and Stronghold untap from Amulet, he activates them, then returns Stronghold to hand with the Garrison Trigger, then he attacks, gets a second trigger, searches up Radiant Fountain/Khalni Garden/Tolaria West and another green Karoo, returns the other effect land and ends up with 2 more mana, plus another effect, with his opponent at less life.
Lifeispain99 Oh of course, I didn't account for the titan's attack trigger.
My bad.
If Seth had boarded in paths to deal with the titan, he could have pathed the titan before the attack trigger. If Justin had gotten the boros garrison and slayer stronghold (seth was even representing path with an open fetchland), then Justin would have lost on his next upkeep, unable to pay for the pact because of the required green mana. So there is not "no downside", he was playing around something very specific that could have lost him the game.
***** since when does burn run path?
Modern was the best during this time.
Justin - Cool, calm, collected
Seth - Looks like he's gonna cry, vibrates so much it seems like the friction he'd make could lite a fire.
couldnt seth pay for the pact at the end he had stomping ground out? O.o
The payment for Summoner's Pact is 2GG and Seth only had one green.
Couldn't seth have won game 1 by playing guide, attacking with both and suspend rift bolt? that would have left Justing at 8 life, pact would leave him at 6 and on upkeep rift bolt + lightning bolt = 0
unfortunately no the pact trigger would happen before suspended rift bolt trigger due to active-player-non-active player ordering (APNAP)
devilboy561 but seth controls both the pact trigger and the rift bolt trigger if im not wrong
Nicolas Landau jus watched that game again n seth took another line where he didnt want to give lands to cohen cause cohen needs lands to go off as u saw that game, all cohen needs are more lands plus an amulet off the top to go off n kill via prime time, again seth doesnt have information from cohen's hand. BUt u are right seth does control both those triggers so my previous statement is wrong.
Nicolas Landau yea i think you are right. they both happen at the same time during his turn so ge got to stack them
Nicolas Landau Seth ideed gets to stack the triggers.
Modern looked different back then, but not so much as you'd think
Can anyone explain me why the burn deck is playing Eidolon of the great Level?To burn itself??
to make his opponent burn himself for every small spell he wants to play, it does not matter if you burn yourself if it makes you faster
The vast majority of spells in Modern (easily 80-90%) of ALL decks cost 3 or less mana, meaning the Burn deck gets a free Shock for every one of those spells the opponent plays. Since Burn barely cares about its own life total and only wants to get the opponent's life total to 0 as fast as possible, Eidolon is a great card (in most match-ups).
Against Storm, it's like an instant win
Ok thanks!
At the start of game one, is it just me or does it look like justin has 9 cards in hand. After drawing and before playing a land
At 01:47
Seth swung with goblin guide, justin revealed a land off of goblin guides ability, added it to hand, then drew a card for turn
does the hive mind trigger stack? i mean, does the opponent have to pay dpuble the pact price, when i have 2 hive minds in play???
no the hivemind trigger just copy the pacts.
if you have two hive minds they pay two pact triggers
I love Lowell.
im soooo happy bloom got banned. its fucked. the first time i ever played modern i played a green devotion deck and in that day all 4 of my rounds were against amulet bloom. and there were 2 more people playing that deck out of the total 18 i didnt play again for a few weeks cause thats what i thought modern was. everyone playing the same couple of top teir decks without any innovation
But that's what Modern is suppose to do. WotC defines it as a wide-area format due to using all of these interesting spells, and potentially break any card people underestimates. For Summer Bloom and Splinter Twin being banned absolutely makes any sense because these are cards thst can easily be countered or played around.
the issue is that everyone was playing the same deck. i go to modern now and in my LGS i dont think anyone plays the same deck as someone else there
+Aquaman That's how the deck gain popularity. Like the commentators implied, Amulet Bloom used to be a deck that never got its shine in modern, until someone finally modified it to make it better. Now that people know it's good, people will find different angles to make it even better via mainboard or sideboard.
Awesome
Seth looks sleepy.
how is this even a format?
?????????
Big misplay in game 3 by justin. No reason to not get a slayers stronghold + boros garrison and attack right away.
Yeah there is. If Justin gets stronghold + boros garrison and Seth Path to Exile the Titan before the attack, Justin loses because he can't pay the pact.
@@eduardo_magnefico Assuming burn even runs path, remember the second part of the spell. If it gets pathed he gets a forest with the path.
@@lefeal9707 It does and he knows it does post sideboard. Also, he only has one copy of a basic Forest, that it's in his hand.
Kills me how slow Cohen plays...
Who cares when rounds are untimed. If GP's are ever back literally everyone under the sun plays slow as fuck during timed rounds too.
I mean dude is playing a deck that takes a lot of thinking. Not something that is like I hit your creature or you. In this match up he is always going to be the slowest of the players. When you play burn you legit map out the first few turns(if not the whole game) around your opening hand.
Always a good day when burn loses. Even yeara later.
It's fun to see how much proplayers try to make games difficult...
This format is totally brainless, if you play first you win 90% of the time, 1 drops are too strong.
Look at this game 1!!! If manfield would have played second he would have lost so bad...
Every one who play a lot could achieve a lot, if rules does not change (like "if you play second you can put 2 lands the first turn).
Or "you have 1 mana flooting that you can spend only one time in the match whenever you want" like heartstone...
Wake up blizzard
JankyDice kinda of embarrassing comment
Indeed - bizarre comment
How did Cohen win the first game? Maybe some people are new to magic and want to understand as well? The commentators didn't even bother to explain.
Cohen had the Card "Hive Mind" on the board. What it does is make your opponent copy spells that you cast. Then Cohen played Summoners pact. Seth was forced to play Summoners Pact because of the Hive mind. Summoners pact has the caveat that on your next upkeep you must pay 2 Green and 2 colourless mana or else you lose the game. Seth couldn't pay for it so he lost the game.