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The very first X-Men story had Magneto trying to start a nuclear war to wipe out all of the humans. That's who Magneto was. He was a supremacist who tried to commit genocide.
This lines up with the desires of modern far left ideologues
i started going back and reading the original x-men and lately people trying to equate him to Malcolm X (and prof. X as MLK) has been rampant everywhere. It is insane for people to think he was created with that in mind when you go back and read that stuff.
I have said many times, if you sat Magneto and Malcolm X in the same room for 5 minutes...
Magneto would call him a pussy and Malcolm would call him a psychopath.
Funny how this video is so relevant today and accurate
yeah it does show how retarded right wing people are that they think the fucking X Men aren't about social injustice. You people lack all of the media literacy.
if you go to the Geeks and Gamers vid, predicting X-Men 97', it is FULL of comments about how X-men was ALWAYS woke and ALWAYS about the civil rights movement and about how Jeremey's take "aged like milk" because apparently X-Men 97' is just killin it on viewer counts. These people are DAFT AF.
Mutants were created so Stan Lee didn't have to keep coming up with unique origins for every new character's powers.
It was a narrative tool that tied well with the speculative fiction method Stan Lee used to strike a cord with the audience at the time (fear of radiation, advances in technology, fear of the unknown).
This is true. The man said it himself. Great point my friend.
was the connection of mutant powers manifestation and onset of puberty part of the original idea or did that come later?
Thank you,it’s almost never mentioned. I think it’s pretty cool too considering how strong the idea of mutants have become in the broader marvel world and it originally just not being able to think of anything else. Just saying fuck it they were born that way,I love the simplicity of the inception
@@geekrockrats Indeed. Stan Lee was clever like a fox.
X-men was more about actual justice than social justice.
Heheh. First.
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Agreed.
@BenUptSns71 Bruhyouve only ever seen the movies and cartoon right?
@BenUptSns71 Bruh well you know what, you guys trashed the meaning of social justice..... it's not even about equality now, it's about superiority of a certain minority.... namely anyone who's NOT straight white or a male.... sounds about like what Magneto is trying to do to humans to me. Get rid of them. The only simp I see, is you guys for believing that social justice is a good thing in today's world.... especially your version of it.
X-men was about equality and understanding and that is not social justice. Magneto was not buddies with Xavier until Issue 160 I believe and this was not a real buddy story.
Seems like a retcon.
What do you think social justice is?
I've learned more about Malcolm X from your channel than I ever did in school. I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel, keep kicking ass.
@BenUptSns71 Bruh Please explain what was deceptive, I would also like to know why you believe he is lying
@BenUptSns71 Bruh Please just tell me, a summary of why Young Rippa is lying will be significantly quicker than me going through everything that Malcolm X has ever said and trying to relate it to what Young Rippa is saying
@BenUptSns71 Bruh the problem is that I can't know whether he is actually lying or giving false info unless I: a) comb through everything Malcolm X has ever said in order to tell if Rippa is lying, or b) have somebody explain to me how he is lying.
I assume that you know of what Malcolm X has to say, more than me at least, so I am asking you to quickly summarise what it is that Malcolm had to say that differs from Rippa.
It's not that I don't understand the word 'lying'.
Eric is smarter than wokes
One of the things that's so great about the X-Men - which is also one of the main reason why they are so popular - is that they aren't a 1:1 metaphor for ANYTHING. Any kind of outcast can relate to them. Because normal people don't relate to a specific problem - they relate to how that problem effects someone else. It's the feeling we relate to, not the problem itself.
But of course, you would have to have common sense and a bit of empathy to understand that, which these NPCs clearly lack.
@BenUptSns71 Bruh 1) Not all mutants look like mutants, bub. Ergo not the same.
2) Opression wasn't exclusive to modern american history, believe it or not. ;-)
@BenUptSns71 Bruh most people throughout history were "denied rights." The idea of han rights or natural rights/natural law could not and did not exist exist without Christian philosophy. Rights are a far more modern phenomena than the existence of oppressive governments and enslaving and harrassing whole groups of people for being different from the people in power, and just about everyone has been the victim and the perpetrator of such wrongdoing.
@@Tyler_W I wouldn't pay attention to either of these idiots.... and they're sad little NPC race-baiting mind, they will always see themselves as victims even though they're not. Believe me I tried talking to them, they claim to be Against Racism if they have no problem referring to white people as white people or even using the word cracker... well one of these idiots even tried to say that for claming slavery will never happen again is racist, and one of these idiots tried to say blexit wasn't even real. They are NPCs don't let them bring you down.
You're right about the NPCs and SJWs lacking empathy. Hell, they're not even capable of sympathy. They're like children, and little kids can't relate to anyone...they only give a damn about their own needs. That's why they say crap like, "I want to see more characters who would represent ME and my victimhood niche!" How damn selfish is that?
You can’t relate to them tho. Conservatives have never been the outcast. It’s always been women, Lgbt, transgenders and black people
Also conservatives lack empathy bro you guys love destroying people’s rights.
Aged like fine wine.
And now, these revisionists need to be exposed for the sour milk they really are.
Justice doesn't need a qualifier.
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I always saw the X-men story are a more general tale about out-groups and fear of the unknown. It wasn't representing any specific group, but the idea that you shouldn't be mistreating those different than you, nor just as a group, but that individuals within any group can be good or bad. So pretty much the opposite of SJWs and their identity politics.
@JamRock Bless I agree with this interpretation too
Civil Rights and Social Justice isn't even the same.
Civil Rights actually fought for something and Social Justice is just for likes on Social Media.
I know right? In my opinion civil rights is RWAL equality.... social justice is just another fascism disguised as equality for the select minority.
I was thinking about that the other day. How many people do you think are only doing the protests and rioting for clout?
Wrong, only the fake "SJWs" give a damn about "Likes". Fake SJWs are the worst. Real SJWS couldn't care less if other people like what they say or not.
@@dustinmaxwell259 I'll give you that. I mean Idk much about sjw culture but from what little understanding I have, that makes sense.
"Social Justice is just for likes on Social Media"...............I hope you're joking
It's no coincidence that when the X-Men represented anyone who ever felt like an outsider (ie. everyone alive), they sold millions of copies, and as they were slowly made to represent only certain groups who are privileged by society to be considered "victims", sales plummeted to the point of near-nonexistence. They literally drove away their audience.
Exactly
@@caitlyncarvalho7637 What made Daredevil work just like what made every character in Marvel work was that there was more to them then being a certain, gender, ethnicity or having a certain disability. How many people really think about disability representation with characters like Daredevil or Luke Skywalker after Empire. Not that many because they’ve become immortalized in mythology that almost anyone can relate to them regardless of any differences. Now compare this to Kamala Kahn’s Ms Marvel where most people that know her can either think about her culture or gender. Outside of her being a superhero fan girl in universe not many people bring up much about her that doesn’t involve her physical factors or cultural factors. I don’t think about Italian representation when it comes to Tony Stark, I don’t think about Jewish representation when it comes to The Thing or Spider-Man, I don’t about religious catholic representation when it comes to Daredevil and I’m religious btw. I don’t think about Canadian representation when it comes to Deadpool. These are things fans like me would often bring up in Trivia debates but these aren’t factors that come up when we think about these characters. The issue with new characters in comics is that they often don’t have much of a personal identity outside of a form of representation they were made for or the current social mainstream message that influences there creation.
"So social issues I try to get
in in the background, or
underlying a plot, but never to
the point of letting interfere
with a story or hitting the
reader over the head.”
- Stan Lee
As the indefatigable 92-year-old
superhero conjurer and Marvel Comics
chairman emeritus sees it, fan backlash
up until this point hasn't so much been
spurred on by racism as much as
unyielding fealty to the source material.
"They're outraged not because of any
personal prejudice, Lee says. "They're
outraged because they hate to see any
change made on a series and characters
they had gotten familiar with. In Spider-
Man, when they got a new actor, that
bothered them, even though it was a
white actor. I don't think it had to do with
racial prejudice as much as they don't like
things changed."
“I wouldn't mind. if Peter Parker had originally
been black. a Latino, an lndian or anything else that he stay that way. But we originally made him white. I dont see any reason to change that. It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti- black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that. Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it's so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to.”
-Stan Lee
GROTH: How did you feel about communism
then?
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issue. It was an outrageous issue. To be termed a communist would damage your whole family, damage your whole world- your friends wouldn't talk to you. I'm talking about other people -because I wouldn't go near the stuff. Sure, I was against the reds. I became a witch hunter. My enemies were the commies -I called them commies. In fact, Granny Goodness was a commie, Doubleheader was a commie.
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Working. I was a young man. I was still growing
out of the East Side. The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I'd beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it.
GROTH: Were you very political?
KIRBY:I wasn't then. I was very concerned with
comics. I'm political now. I knew this much - that everybody voted Democrat down my way. If you were poor, you voted Democrat and if you were rich you voted Republican.
STARLOG: We all noticed the lack of
women in the Star Wars trilogy. Are you go-
ing to bring more women in for future Star
Wars films?
LUCAS: Well, what of Princess Leia?
When you're making a war film, how are
you going to put women in it? Think of
other war films, think of The Longest Day,
those films. Well, it's your galaxy; I have to
go with the rest of the world. And still make
it believable. I'm not sure how many women
will be in the rest of the films; that's the kind
of thing that plots dictate. What would Star
Wars have been like if Han Solo had been a
woman?
“Still others picked up on Lucas's
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world is economics and politics, and
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From "PW Interviews Joseph Campbell, by Chris Goodrich"
Publisher's Weekly (August 23, 1985, p.74-75)
Great storytelling is what’s important.
The Stories that aren’t political at all and are based on good writing, good characters , deeper lessons, morals and entertainment
as well as the stories that do have political elements but are more focused on an engaging story,a well thought out lesson or idea behind it and interesting characters are the stories that make great entertainment. As my film teacher taught me Art before politics, always. The story & characters comes first whether the politics are subtle, secondary or completely non existent.
Great now let’s clear up any false narrative about the great storytellers of old. They were not the kind of political activist mostly failing to write comics today the modern ones anyway. It doesn’t matter what politics they believed conservative, liberal, traditional, progressive if they even believed in any because a lot of them were also apolitical when making comics, movies etc. You had a lot of apolitical comics back in the day when comics were first being made especially early DC & early marvel. When social or political topics would come up in a story they would either be subtle, secondary to the great plots, and well made characterization and/or intelligent written to the point that it actually felt like the storyteller has something to say that was worth while like Steve Ditko, Alan Moore & Frank Miller which trust me when I tell you all three have wildly different political views.
Steve Ditko was one of those Ayn Rand conservative or libertarian types. Stan Lee had a 60’s Liberal thing going on but he helped make Iron Man specifically to trick the hippy crowd in his day into liking a rich weapons arms dealer. Jack Kirby was apolitical for most of his comic book making career the only time he got political was when nut like Hitler would turn up. These guys showed that whether the comics were apolitical or political free as like to mockingly call them Or subtle when it came to political intent that they would make good stories. Good stories weren’t sacrificed just to get a political point across. That’s what Stan Lee means by hitting people over the head.
Best line in the video: "You can recognize that people are being treated unfairly and realize that social justice is stupid !"
I hear this argument a lot. Great to see you bring some insight, and actual proof to the conversation.
I can see where they could get confused. They see politics and assume SJW but Xmen was very political.
Why are these statements poise towards me at no time did I agree with SJW point of view. What I said X-Men has always had political slant to the stories.
@@Scoring57 where are you going with this statement, nothing like that even came out of my mouth. I believe most SJWs are full of crap just like the majority of non- sjws. The world is so ready to be outraged. When I see bull I'm going to call it out.
@@Scoring57 my apologies I thought you referring to me as an sjw. There are times when writer do create an "sjw", peace of fiction without realizing it. Like George A. Remeras's original "Night of the Living".
@@ryanallison9307 it's kind of sad that people like to say sjws are a made-up term.... it shows how pathetic and in the clouds they are. I agree this sjw nonsense is getting out of control and it's only hurting them in the long run. not us
Well said! I am so sick of hearing people try to force Stan Lee's work into the social justice mold. Stan Lee did write about prejudice, and injustice, but he did not push a political agenda on his readers, nor did he bludgeon his fans over the head with his political views. The man was an entertainer and he knew how to create escapist fantasy that appeals to all, regardless of gender or race. I wish the current comic book/script writers would shut their mouths for a moment and learn from the master that created the art form they are currently destroying.
Kaedis destroying while capitalizing and brain washing...for them it’s a win win....
I've always hate it when people say it Professor X and Magneto were analogies for Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. Both men was very much alive and not held in any great repute at the time of the comics Premier so that is all false and complete BS.
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It could even be argued that claiming Magneto is an allegory to Malcolm X is basically the same as implying that Malcolm X was a terrorist.
Mike Vasquez that’s exactly what it means. That was the point. Think think the Muslim faith vs extreme terrorist.
@@blakekwamin7400 not even close. Martin Luther King Jr. was an integrationist whereas Malcolm X was an ethno-seperatist. Magneto was a SUPREMACIST.
Mike Vasquez magneto as all of that. Ethnisepratist when he took the mutants to Genosha. He was a terrorist when the attacked humans. Magneto was also a supremest. Bottom line all of these were solutions to living in a world that were ruled by non mutants. That is theme that resonates with any marginalized group.
So like rippa here, no matter how you tweek the details, it all falls in the same theme of marginalized groups living a a society that is not in power.
@@blakekwamin7400 Stan Lee himself said that any similarities were entirely coincidental so nothing about your argument has any merit.
That true! But irrelevant as hell. X-men morphed into a theme of an outcast race hated by humans and all issues relating to it. It’s been that way since we were born.
So REGARDLESS of Stan Lee’s initial intent, x-men have been repping minority issues since you existed on this earth
TRUTH! People don't realize that it was not until right before Malcolm was murdered that they even finally agreed to meet because both of their perspectives on the situation and how to handle. But like you said, there was no "same end game" type situation just different methods. Malcolm was basically like forget them, we don't need integration, let's do our own thing. (that was a gross understatement but you get the point) And it was not too long after Martin started to have speeches saying similar things that he was killed too.
As I read more into Malcolm X wanted his brothers to be like you said self sufficient.
It's like the character Dazzler..... people who make fun of her missed the point if her character.
SJWs miss the point the on damn near everything....
Malcolm X wanted a race war, my guy.
@@blank-vj1mc So did Charles Manson.... your point? He still wanted black men to be self sufficient. I never said he was a good guy...
@@blank-vj1mc That was back in the day, he started to change his tune after he went to Mecca and came back. He even stated that seeing Blacks and Whites bowing for prayer, made him realize how wrong he was back in the day.
@@michaelray5595 Well that's what you imply when you talk about how he wanted more black men like Rippa, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Self-sufficient in his context meant to also be ready for combat past just being prepared in self-defense, which is a little authoritarian imo. And to continue your metaphor, Hitler was against animal cruelty but that doesn't mean I'd refer to him as an authority against factory farming.
I was also semi-joking.
@@storysurgeon5922 I mean that's fair but he wasn't as active in American race politics by that point.
Even in the cartoons, Magneto overtime was evolved to more closely resemble Malcolm, hence Astroid M being his endgame. I haven’t seen anyone arguing that the original intent was to be a metaphor, but it was obvious that Stan’s surroundings influenced his writing and overtime they leveraged parallels to make the characters more three dimensional, you can’t tell me you prefer Supremacist Magneto over Malcolm Magneto. There’s been plenty receipts of Stan Lee embracing the social parallels and glad of them, even a comic he oversaw with his likeness on the cover next to Xavier representing MLK and Magneto representing Malcolm. Even in his original run, the subtext was always tolerance for those who are different, that’s what people are referring to when they argue what X-Men always represented, it’s a broad canvas that can be used for just about any oppressed minority so outrage over one being reflected comes across as silly as hell when everyone knows Stan Lee would’ve vouched for it if he were here.
Professor X is inspired by MLK and Mencacham Begin.
Magneto is inspired by Malcom X and David Ben-Gurion.
Inspiration doesn’t mean exactly the same in terms of character.
Professor X and X-Men are a representation of pacifism, integration, globalism, and freedom fighting ideals from minorities. Magneto and the Brotherhood are a representation of militarism, segregation and nationalism, terrorism ideals from minorities.
@@petermj1098 No they weren't you bot.
That is not the case, he even has a few videos on Malcolm. The two are nothing alike.
@@eagle162
Not exactly no, but once Xavier became a reflection of MLK, they tried to make Magneto look like a reflection of Malcolm even if he wasn't. Me calling cartoon Magento a Malcolm Magento is a just a broad generalization of the fact that he became a more dimensional/compelling character.
This video is more relevant than ever.
Chris Claremont has always been a huge leftist, but he wrote great stories. For him, the characters and story clearly came first before any perceived message. Can comic creators today say the same thing?
Chris Claremont wanted to create strong female characters so he wrote GOOD strong female characters. Storm is an extremely powerful black woman and a great character who had an arc, doubts and fears and flaws.
Sjws really don't know what they want anymore because Rosenberg attempted to take on mutants representing trans panic and they all got mad because she wasn't actually trans. I guess mutants can't represent minorities?
Yep, it was always pretty clear that Chris was on a certain side of the aisle...but that didn't matter because his aim was to entertain with his adventures. And brother, did he. :) (Well, up to "X-Men" #1-3, where he was clearly losing the infighting behind the scenes with Jim Lee and Bob Harras. You can tell in those three issues that he was being heavily edited or maybe rewritten here and there to suit Bob!)
This was a good watch! Keep doing you, Rippa!
From one black Libertarian to another!
Mutants were originally created as an allegory for puberty and teen angst. And it did a fine job with that.
That allegory worked very well in the X-Men Evolution cartoon too when most of the mutants were teenagers.
Should that be said about spider-man as well?
It can also be interpreted as the school dynamic.
Thank you for tackling this issue. I can't tell you how many times that in middle of a debate, they always pivot to XMen
It’s crazy how well this has aged with the new X-They 97 released and Morph being non-binary 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“There is no such thing as social justice. There is only justice” ...
Thank you.
Not only that, but Magneto was an ironic allegory for Hitler and supremacy. The man was both a Mutant and a Jew. Having lived through atrocities leveled at both Mutants and the Jewish, Erik began to hate humans. As you said, eventually he became a supremacist, fighting hatred with hatred. Like Darth Vader, Magneto became everything he claimed to despise. That's why he's compelling, not because of modern gimmicks or political stances. He and Charles serve as the dichotomy of choice when faced by hatred.
I'm glad you made this video. I was sick of people trying to reduce the Xmen franchise to just being lazy social justice allegories.
In fact, the movies often fail when they go out of their way to dial those elements up above everything else.
Scoring57 Have you SEEN Dark phoenix???
Ami is right you know. people are super sick of toxic SJW politics invading their favorite franchises.
@@Scoring57 and we're sick of you claiming all whites are racist which is racism itself.... you hate the way this goes in this country get the fuck out.
@@puffsparkle don't pay any attention to this idiot, he has zero clue how things go in today's world, and he's too hypocritical to see that he himself is racist.
Sailor Mercury , above and beyond, they go to great lengths and then say things like, “Oh, it was supposed to be much more engrossed with SJW, but we toned it down”...if they had their way......
Scoring57 , l HATE (with capital letters) all the infidelity and promiscuity procured (yes, procured) by hip hop and rock...but do I go hating on the ppl that listen to this music, and there are many, no...but I hate their mentality for being so ghetto or broke in their thinking...I’m cool wit da hood, NOT it’s mentality...
Much like every Comic and Film franchise - X Men evolved with the times and took on different meaning based on who Wrote it and what their goals were.
In the early Comics, the X-Men was widely accepted, but a few people was still scared of them.
While in the Films it was the oppeesite where most of the world population was agienst them and only a handful of folks supported them.
But either way The X-Men comics original Goal was to show anyone can be a Super Hero and can find someone they can relate too. And that we should respect and support those who are different than us and not past pre-judgment.
Like Stan once said " A hero can come from anywhere, the only thing that make them Diffrent from another hero is what suite they put on" meaning a Hero is hero no matter where they're from. All that matter is that answer the call for help.
Edit: Also, hope your year is off to a good start and staying safe.
Well glad at least you acknowledge the history of The X-Men and have a decent argument.
@@bendu8282 Thanks. And I didn't mean this as a Rebuttal/Counter Argument; rather I was pointing out why some folks saw X-Men as a civil rights comic and other view it as a world peace movement. (etc)
Since Thier comic changed to fit the narrative of the current writer/decade.
Edit: Also, thanks for the sub.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven No I understand. I’m just saying you have good points behind your arguments but yeah you’re correct, comics constantly change based on the writers and the era the challenge is holding onto those timeless aspects and values of these characters when certain aspects change based on the era and writer. Today’s culture argues we should erase those timeless aspects and values of our heroes or current mythology so it could just be changed based solely on the writer and the era with no timeless element which to me is what is mainly killing most modern entertainment.
Stan Lee said you're fucking wrong so lmfao
At this point Im stuck watching movies from half a decade ago ,the SAME with shows ,screw this.
4804299959 There are some excellent manga/anime from modern times. Most new things I read/watch are from Japan.
4804299959 Those are great👍🏻 Right now i’d recommend JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure (really awesome), Promised Neverland and Dr.Stone. Favorite of manga of all time is probably Dragon Ball ;)
Berserk is a great manga, I liken it to Game of Thrones but on steroids. Also you can never go wrong with a classic like Lone Wolf and Cub.
Mic Martin Berserk is the stuff. It is so much better than GoT.
@@christianbjorck816 I 100 percent agree that BERSERK is better then GoT. I use that comparison because of the medieval setting with fantasy and the over the top violence and sex. But I feel the story and especially a character like Guts are superior to anything in GoT.
There is this idea that The X-Men since they’re creation were vehicles for the civil rights movement back in the 60’s when that wasn’t the case. The X-Men were another hero team created by Stan Lee to rival The Justice League like The Fantastic Four.
He came up with the idea of mutants so he didn’t have to explain where they’re powers came from and they’re original name was meant to be The Mutants but 60’s censorship from his editors made him change it to The X-Men. From the beginning they were just another super hero team with a mentor and villains to fight. All of them had interesting personalities.
The outsiders metaphor for people who aren’t accepted by society came later when The Civil Rights movement was very popular in media. Even then Stan Lee made sure that The Story, & entertainment always came before the politics because art before politics. Today’s crowd seems to forget about that.
"So social issues I try to get
in in the background, or
underlying a plot, but never to
the point of letting interfere
with a story or hitting the
reader over the head.”
- Stan Lee
STAN'S SOAPBOX
This month we're gonna yak about
something that has nothing to do with
our mags! Over the years we've re
ceived a zillion letters asking for the
Builpen's opinion about such diverse
subjects as Viet Nam, civil rights, the
war on poverty, and the upcoming elec
tion. We're fantasmagorically fiattered
that our opinion wouid matter to you,
but here's the hang-up: there ISN'T any
unanimous Bullpen opinion about any
thing. except possibly mother Iove and
apple pie! Take the election, for exam
ple. Soine of us are staunch Demo-
crats. and others dyed-in-the-wool
publicans. As for Yours Truly and a few
others, we prefer to judge the person,
rather than the party line. That's why
we seek to avoid editorializing about
controversial issues not because we
haven't our opinions, but rather be
cause we share the same diversity of
opinion as Americans everywhere. But.
we'd like to go on record about one
vital issue we believe that Man has
a divine destiny, and an awesome re
sponsibility the responsibility of
treating all who share this wondrous
world of ours with tolerance and re
spect judging each fellow human on
his own merit, regardless of race,
creed, or color. That we agree on
and we'll never rest until it, becomes
a fact, rather than just a cherished
dream. Excelsior,Smiley.
Which comic issue did Stan say this in?
@@jaspermcminnis5538 Not sure I have so many comics I can’t keep track anymore 😂 😂 😂
This is all new info to me. I started reading X-Men in the 90s, and the SJW argument never sat well with me but I didn't have a rebuttal.
Thanks, rippa. I foresee linking a lot of people to this video in the future.
Keep Preaching the TRUTH!!! My Brother...
Comic book girl 19 promotes this lie about the xmen. Thanks youngrippa59 for your passion for comics, from a Australian xmen fan.
God Damn dude you are hands down the best Comics RUclipsr. You know what you're talking about on everything. I watch every video you put out.
‘There is no such thing as ‘Social Justice’, there is only Justice! Beautifully said.
You Eric is smarter than any activist
I find it funny that people try to conflate the civil rights movement with social Justice movement as if their one and the same.
The difference between civil rights and social justice.
Civil rights workers defined their causes by what they supported: equality, integration, peace.
Social justice activists define their causes by what they oppose: anti-racism, anti-war, anti-capitalism, etc.
Bravo. We need to raise our voices against intellectual oppressors. Thank you.
Man, I danced this dance with an EX-friend of the SJW/LGBTQ community a while back. This toolbag did a Google search, never read a comic a day in his life and insisted the X-Men were created for the LGBTQ community. I politely corrected him that they were really for anyone who ever felt like an outcast or ostracized, and that he was probably thinking of the Claremont run. He got pissed, scoffed and called me some kind of "-ism".
You nailed it, brother.
@@caitlyncarvalho7637 I'm not sure enough of what your asking to answer accurately. Do you mind elaborating a little?
@@caitlyncarvalho7637 I'm not sure what the exact source of his inspiration was, but I'm sure he was probably meant to be some sort of positive role modeling for someone with disabilities. Why do you ask?
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It is often refreshing whenever I hear someone speak truth to word in regards to Malcolm X. As a historical figure, he has been completely bastardized in the public eye (to put it lightly).
Without even doing extensive research, all one would need to do is read his "autobiography" to see the multitude of contradictions in the mainstream narrative constructed of him.
Claremont ALWAYS pushed envelopes and it's been that way since he took over the title.The metaphors and allegories were deliberate from the time he took over, and to claim that Stan Lee's idea counts more than Claremont's is ludicrous when the fact is you'd have likely never even heard of X-Men without Claremont reinventing the title and making it a hit. Remember, it was literally canceled / just in reprints when he took over, the original concept FAILED and Claremont's reimagined version is what took off. So the technical truth is they haven't "always" been that way but they have been since 1975 and for the entire time they were successful so I'd call that close the hell enough.
Awesome information. I'm going to cross reference some sources just because you should always double and triple check things before taking it as word...but this had a lot of information that was new to me, from X-Men to Malcolm X.
“ I couldn't have everybody bitten by a radioactive spider or zapped with gamma rays, and it occurred to me that if I just said that they were mutants, it would make it easy. Then it occurred to me that instead of them just being heroes that everybody admired, what if I made other people fear and suspect and actually hate them because they were different? I loved that idea; it not only made them different, but it was a good metaphor for what was happening with the Civil Rights Movement in the country at that time.”. Direct quote from Stan Lee
Being disenfranchised is not exclusive to social justice, but social justice portrays itself as exclusively worried about those being disenfranchised, so social justice claims it wherever it exists to inject themselves into every facet of everyone's lives.
So happy I found your channel. You're so smart & I love your passion for comics.
We have Chris Claremont to thank for the social justice stuff with the the X-Men
Glad someone of repute on RUclips finally said this. In a lot of ways, you can even fond ways in which the X-Men's core values are inherently opposed to "social justice," certainly the way in which SJW's behave.
Perfectly said! I get sick of people mindlessly making those claims about the X-Men.
If I remember correctly, Stan Lee created the X-Men for the strict reason to counter the Doom Patrol. Straight up Marvel vs DC business reasons.
I learned something today. Always good, and a regular occurrence on this channel.
Thank you for educating me on the topic.
Well, even the whole X-Men metaphor with racism has become very thin not long after their creation. If they were the only beings with superhuman powers in that universe, that metaphor would work forever, but the Marvel Universe, in essence is a universe of superpowered beings. Even for the mutants that look different, like Nightcrawler and Beast, you have non-mutants characters that look different, like Hulk, She-Hulk and The Thing, so looks couldn't be an issue as well. So how could the general people tell them apart really?
Exactly
The hulk and thing are usually treated about the same as the X-men that’s kinda the whole point of their story they are seen as monsters. There really is no direct comparison to mutants being born with powers. Thor is a god, captain America would obviously be praised by Americans, iron man just uses technology. I think it’s pretty reasonable that the mutants would be treated differently especially when many of them can’t control their powers like other heroes in the universe much like hulk can’t control his powers.
As I got older the social theme in the X-Men seemed more like a gun control/arms control debate. People born with dangerous powers that could potentially take over.
The only way to stop a bad mutant is a good mutant!
...yeah and they follow the law. Pretty conservative.
@@jayjesse77 you missed the point my guy.
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Your "They Admit It" video brought me here.
I've always heard that the analogies between Magneto/Professor X and Malcolm X/MLK were made after the fact, but then again I may be just better informed. It is true that mutancy is used as an abstract metaphor for any discriminated-against group. Stan Lee was a nerdy white Jewish guy, and Jews were discriminated against also. (To quote Norm MacDonald, "I don't know if you're a fan of history, but uh...") That's what I like about the X-Men books. They tackle dicey political issues in a way that isn't constrained to current year politics. For example, Senator Kelly hates mutants. But he isn't the villain of the X-Men story. Professor X would want to understand the reason for Senator Kelly's hatred and convince him otherwise; Magneto, who is much more worthy of holding the villain ball, would point to Senator Kelly and say the existence of people like him is why ordinary humans need to be wiped out.
Modern Marvel can't handle this kind of nuance. Modern Marvel puts Donald Trump in a MODOK suit and calls it a day. So ｇｒｏｕｎｄｂｒｅａｋｉｎｇ
The X-Men in my opinion are an example of what would super powers look like realistically. The mutants get their powers from evolution, resulting in individuals with unique abilities. The X-Men deal with prejudice because people were afraid of their power. Which seems realistic, as most people would be scared of individuals with superpowers who can’t be controlled: think of the Hulk or Jean Grey. Fact is there are people with unique abilities in the real world, like mathematical geniuses, gymnasts who can perform amazing feats, Kung fu masters who can break stone, and more. Difference is there often praised and looked up to because they often had to work hard to develop their talents. Mutants however were just born with their powers. I think of X-Men as something like Marvel’s version of Watchmen.
In one of the quotes Eric cites here, Stan Lee says the civil rights metaphor came to him the minute he created the x-men - how could Eric interpret that quote the way he did?
I read that as Stan Lee always intending the X-men to have some sort of civil rights theme from the franchise’s inception
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the X-Men, Chris Claremont and John Byrne polished and perfected the concept and "ONSLAUGHT" ruined them. The social justice stuff that would come later was just the nail in the coffin !!!
*"NUFF SAID"*
Thanks for this. I actually got into an argument yesterday with a guy that kept saying that comics were always SJW. And I was willing to grant him x-men, but he never brought it up and instead went with Wonder Woman, which was a much worse argument. Now I know X-Men was written for that reason.
Great video, once again. I'm glad I listened til the end. Comments in the last 30 seconds were great. What you mentioned is an obvious truth but I think it needs to be stated often.
Hey man, where’s the link for that Malcom X video??? I actually wanted to watch that.
It was really Claremont's retooling that made X-Men amazing, but I agree with your assessment. I really hope they don't remove Magneto's Holocaust past when they bring him over to Disney. God Loves, Man Kills was a good story that had a social message I think.
Really, the first social justice comics I can think of are Green Lantern and Green Arrow in Hard Hitting Heroes, which I don't think is as great as others suggest. Some older issues of Superman would sometimes tell the audience what is moral behavior for those times.
X-men never directly fought against prejudice. Their mission statement was to “protect a world that fears and hates them” Even Senator Kelly. It’s the whole point behind “Days of Future Past”
Perhaps not created as such but it did develop into that
Man I would love to shake your hand for being on point again.
I never heard the Civil Rights one till now but the one that I did here was that apparently these people believed that the X-Men were based off of gay people maybe in the movies sure, but not from conception.
Very well said bro! I'm mean seriously, who doesn't think actual justice is good?
The government..
Hey just subbed to channel a while back and I'm loving your content. I'm admittedly a normie when it comes to comic book superheroes, I've only ever watched the movies and some of the cartoons from the 90's, but it's good to hear insight from someone who knows their stuff when it comes to this.
This is excellent, well-informed, really true and really wise.
It's a retcon that X-men was all about Malcolm and MLK and Civil Rights. Stan Lee was a brilliant showman who knew how to sell and say what he thought people wanted to hear, retroactively making X-Men a Civil Rights parable (after Claremont + the movies did). X-men comics in the 60s-80s were superhero adventure stories I loved as a kid. After the Phoenix saga, with "God Loves Man Kills" and onward, I found it so bleak and depressing. I was still a young teen, and Byrne's departure was a real loss too. The early issues have a lot of charm, the New X-Men with Byrne late 70s was exhilarating and great. I had to let it go after 1985 or so, alas.
Ps. Jean Grey died by her own mind/hand and doing on the Moon in the summer of 1980 and that is THAT. Final and real to me, and sad.
I was 12. Most shocking comics sequence I ever read, fresh off the rack from the candy store. Weirdly that summer I saw another great hero Luke Skywalker also seemingly give up, seemingly end it all, plunging himself into the endless abyss rather than submit to Vader.
Thanks for the info. I had no idea.
Breath of fresh air, I subscribed
I think that quote you included from Stan is a little vague to make the point you were saying. Thanks for adding your sources! A previous question was:
"Question: Ideas were coming out kind of astonishing speed at that point. What do you remember about the first glimmer of sitting down to write X-Men?
Stan: Well, I think it was the fact that the Fantastic Four had sold so well. And we figured, my publisher and I, figured why not do another group? My problem was, what powers would I give them? Because with the Fantastic Four, we already had a guy who could fly, who could burst into flame, we had a woman who was invisible with a force field, we had a guy who could stretch, and we had a big strongest man in the world. So it wasn’t easy.
Then, once I figured out what powers they’d have, I had to figure, how did they get their powers? And they were all separate people that weren’t connected to each other, so I knew that would be a helluva job. And I took the cowardly way out, and I figured, hey, the easiest thing in the world: they were born that way. They were mutants. So I thought that would be one way to get around having to find new origins.
So I brought the idea to my publisher…"
Which makes it clear that his original purpose was making a team with a built-in backstory.
Geez ! The fact that you had to explain this....
I guess because I'm an "old comic head", I knew the whole King/X analogy was not so. SURE in later years it fit the narrative. It was literally the perfect analogy. But to think, and believe, Stan Lee set out to do this in the 60's gives him WAYYY to much credit. Besides, and let's be real hear people, neither man was a "popular" enough individual to be used as a basis for the backstory of a funny book...
Honestly... I blame all this on the later Claremont years and long after.
saying it didn't start that way is semantics, it became popular with the king/x analogy. Stan started adding more civil rights elements into it because it made a better stories and money.
@@BrandAccount-ec2rx It’s not semantics, The argument is that The X-Men were based on the civil rights. That’s what many people say especially SJW’s, this is proof that this was not a fact and was assumed by the media.
I always viewed the X-Men as Outcasts learning that they aren't alone and can come together to help each other as well as unite against Evil and the People who Subjugate them to their own Politics.
Here we go, SJWs ruining Stan Lee's and Jack Kirby legacy
Spot on. If *rewriting* something does not work, they will attempt to *redefine* it.
You nailed that shit so hard dude. Great video.
“the difference between poets and mystics . . . The mystic nails a symbol to one meaning that was true for a moment but soon becomes false. The poet, on the other hand, sees that truth while it's true but understands that symbols are always in flux and that their meanings are fleeting.” - Neal Stephenson
“Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed.” - G.K. Chesterton
If the Human species became monoracial tomorrow, X-men would still be a damn good comic. And SJWs would simply co-opt the story for the next intersectional checkbox on their checklist.
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In my opinion, anyone who hasn't but wants to start reading and understanding the stories in the X-Men books from the beginning should watch this first. Well said sir.
Wow! Appreciate that sir!
Protecting a world that hates and fears them. I like the truth you speak.
Eric, please upload reference links in the description so it’s easier for us to share them
Currently reading X-MEN/X-FORCE comics so I had to come back to this video.
I fell foul of this myth, glad there's a dude that knows his shit to clear it up!
Yes!!! At last someone summarises this correctly, succinctly and effectively.
THANK YOU!
Always on point you're always on point
Anyone who has read the early comics can see that there is very little to the claim that these characters are based on civil rights leaders. Stan Lee has said this in several interviews. Claremont later said that he was thinking more explicitly of the Holocaust than the Civil Rights Movement when he wrote these characters. And yet, you hear this all the time.
It's great to see someone making a video about this.
Indeed how i felt reading X-Men as a child into my teens and adolescence
Love ur channel. Telling true history. Popular history is written by the powerful and wealthy that want to push their agendas. I’m lucky that when I was in school I had teachers that told us to read other books that school establishments pushed as actual history. I had a teacher in 8th grade that got in trouble for telling us to read other history books that the school didn’t consider actual history.
Hey Young Rippa. Sorry to be lazy but I respect your opinion and would like to ask your opinion on where to start Spawn or Blade? Or maybe have recommand a book? The last Comic I read and liked before I switched to Anime were Onslaught and Age of Apoc. After that I went full Anime.
Something about the X Men some of these people ignore is that sometimes the X Men can be in the wrong to, and being the wrong is something that these people can't handle and they ALWAYS have to be in the right
Oh Yeah GOD BLESS You All...
Learnin me again! Nice Rippa!
Not even to mention that the best X-Men stories take place either in space or the future