as someone who played persona 3-5, to not get overwhelmed with scheduling on the calendar system, i always just make a urgency/importance chart, for example if there's social links available but a limited stat booster event is on, i picked the limited event first if i feel like my stats are low, and pick the social links if i feel like i have enough stats. Sure, you can't really max everything in one playthrough this way, but it's way less complicated than having a guide tells you what to do on every time frame. Anyways, enjoy your time with Metaphor!
I've also struggled getting into persona as a franchise. I can't agree more that the highschool trope just doesn't do it for me. I love fantasy and the setting really nailed this one in for me. Imo it's Atlus's magnum opus and the culmination of decades developing games.
@@AdziGaming Must say I have played alot of games in my life, but Persona 5 is my all time favorite too. The music, the style, gameplay etc. all fits so well together.
I dont like rpg or jrpg and turn based games but i like high school trope and anime and i never expected I'll like persona 5 so much so now I'll give metaphor a try bcoz p5 make me get into jrpg/turn based game
I think the popularity of autobattlers have shown developers and players that there really is no harm in implementing mechanics that bypass mindless battles that require no skill. These have existed since the 90s. Earthbound let you skip weak enemies, and Suikoden had an auto-battle option (but intentionally extremelt subobtimal). JRPG games implementing decently intelligent auto-battle modes that can be used for anything but boss battles, and letting you skip low level enemies is a solid change. The complexity should be put into building/designing your team, and special encounter enemies.
Metaphor is my new favorite game of all time after beating it. Previously held by Witcher 3. Metaphor is the perfect game to me. Thank you for this masterpiece Arlus
Persona 5 was my introduction the series, and I loved it. I kept seeing people praise Persona 4 Golden to not end on the internet, so I decided to play through it. It was alright, but I never loved it. I'm still playing Metaphor Refantazio, and I'm really struggling to put it down when I need to get some sleep 😂
valid asf bro. i love persona but it’s genuinely an internal battle where my love for the gameplay and story manages to outshine the utter cringe i experience when it gets really shojen tropey. loving metaphor, prefer it over all mainline persona so far (hasn’t taken the top spot amongst other atlus titles for me but that’s an impossible task).
Having finished Metaphor recently, all i cansay its that it blew me away. Its core is distinctly unique and different to bithe SMT and persona. This game reminds me most of Digital Devil Saga which is my favourite Atlus game of all time, i hope with metaphor more people give it a try
There is grinding, you just need to understand the MC Arc type bonuses. Mage gives you 1 MP per overworld kill or stun. Trash mobs are easy to refill MP off of in dungeons. And the Merchant Archetype will give you more items and coins for a kill, which stacks up killing trash mobs in the overworld. There are videos on locations and strategies, but even with grinding, you will need to strategize fights. I use mage on MC which allows me to 1 Day a dungeon.
I feel the same now. After playing the demo for Metaphor I’m finding it really hard to get through Persona 3 Reload cuz I keep thinking of how Metaphor just does thing way better.
I felt the exact same way regarding the setting it just wouldn’t click, but the fantasy element and story had me hooked, if you like yakuza you need to play infinite wealth it’s also amazing one of the best…
Honestly, I do not think you will get to Persona 5 after finishing this game. You will most likely feel drained and will want literally any other JRPG than a Persona. I recommend Shin Megami Tensei 5 in case you still want to explore Persona 5 but without the weird and annoying restrictions and activities that overwhelm you. Shin Megami Tensei V Vengeance is out, and is the definitive edition. Of course, in case you did not play it already.
Yeah I should've clarified. I don't mean directly after because I think I'll need a break from RPGs (especially because DA Veilguard is out soon) but sometime in the future
Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean was my first JRPG. Then I started Legend of Dragoon, Grandia, Luna, tales series, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy and many more. I started the Persona series very late (Persona 5 first) as I heard the dungeon is repetitive for 1-4. I just 100% Metaphor: refantazio with hard difficulty. The problem this game also has is reusing the dungeon design(linear one goal is to kill the boss at the end), layout, dungeon type and mob variety(a lot of reuse, maybe that's why I can't find a monster wiki as just bigger number at later dungeon). I stay for the story, gameplay, character and the atmosphere. Persona 5 has better OST while Metaphor OST is pretty unique but short and lacks variety( Dungeon same 3 music).
i was aware Persona and SMT were great games but never really got into them (despite being a long time JRPG player esp. FF series). Now reFantazio story is of a faster pace and feels easier to get into (the fantasy setting helps). It has been a great experience for me.
As a Persona fan (who started with P5), Metaphor gives me hope that ATLUS will one day let their Persona game take place in a college, office building, or shopping mall. Give us adults to play as! Heck, imagine being part of a construction or road service crew, and you blitz out in your company truck to cordone off an area and then hop down a manhole or whatever to start fighting demons with your Persona. Persona 5 was great (and P3R was even better) because they thrived under the limitations set for the characters due to being in high school. Persona 4 could have been an Agatha Christie-style story, where the MC was just visiting for a family reunion, and then decided to stick around to help Dojima solve the case. The fact that they were in high school didn't really mean much for the plot. P5's school was tied into alibis and the timing for heists and the like, while P3 had the school be the site where Shadow experiments took place, giving some extra weight to the Mitsuru corporation's sins. Metaphor completely dropping the school side of the system gives me hope that the next time we see Igor, it's for something a bit grander than missing an English test.
Have you tried Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne?! There's no trivial battle regardless of the level gap between you and the enemies because one bad decision (or eventual random crits here and there) can completely change the tides of every battle and even if you win the cost could be too high, resources (SP mostly)/party management is key, tough as fuck but fair, keeps you alert all the time, very engaging!
So I've played a bit of SMT 4 and 5. I was interested in Nocturne but from my understanding the dungeon designs are very bland so that would turn me off it I think
@@AdziGaming I'd say the whole game is kinda bland but it is intentional, its part of the whole theme/gimmick/aesthetic, althought I agree that most dungeons could've been better, but the ones that are good ARE REALLY good! The game is more about the vibes/atmosphere I think its worth trying! Mechanicly its perfect, symmetrical, simple but deep, the only SMT game that improved on the Press Turn System formula for real was SMT IV Apocalypse (my humble and controversial opinion).
still not done with the video so if you talk about this just disregard this, but, from what youve said so far, you totally should try out SMT, specifically VV. very good shit.
I didn't mention it in the video but I did play some SMT 4 and V. The performance on the Switch was so bad that I put it down and as for 4, I'm just bad at turn based games so I found it so hard
Personally i do not like persona games beside 1 2 and 3, 4 and 5 are too different from the atlus dna of shin megami tensei, etrian odyssey, digital devil saga, and other series, im happy you are finally in the family, i hope u try the other series atlus has to offer, especially shin megami tensei, the series that started the press turn system (the turn system metaphor also uses)
I have dabbled in a few other Atlus RPGs but not enough for me to bring them up in the video. I played SMT V when it first came out on Switch but the performance really frustrated me and I also play a bit of SMT4 and that game kicked my ass. It's strange, I'd consider myself pretty good at games. I have no problem with action games like DMC or Dark Souls and I'm pretty decent at fast paced multiplayer games like Rocket League and Overwatch, but give me a puzzle or a turn based combat system and my brain just can't compute lol. Thanks for watching :)
@@AdziGaming smt 4 Is notorious for being very very very hard for beginners into the series, and yea the switch sucks, i would advice trying smt 5 vengeance on PC/consoles that arent switch lmao, once It gets a good big discount, the new content Is great and really makes the game Shine as It was meant to be, smt 3,4, and 4 apocalypse are PEAK as well but very very tough for beginners of smt so i don't advice going for them until u have a good foundation, in smt most of the time u can beat stuff underlevelled as long as u got strategy, making one dungeon living hell with One Comp and a breeze with another, trial and error and the feeling of completely shitting on a boss once u get it is why the megaten community is so addicted lmao, cheers!
There are loads of reasons why a game doesn't click with someone. Yeah they're similar in combat and the whole calendar system but everything else is totally different
I love Persona 3/4/5 and pretty much all of SMT and I'm loving Metaphor so far, but my big issue is that the characters aren't as likable and the character designs are kinda shit. Everyone just looks off. I'm still gonna be thinking about Ryuji, Anne, and crew for years and years but I can guarantee I'm gonna forget all the characters in Metaphor by the end of the year. Not sure why. Been a massive Atlus fan forever. They just rarely miss.
Merchant trivializes the entire game. You’ll never need money or MP ever again. I plan on running through the toughest difficulty with the Merchant archetype. Thank me later lol
@@AdziGaming yea just have the Merchant inherit Diligent Disciple, Heat up, and Aim Support. The more Merchants in play the stronger it gets. It’s nutty, at least in the early to mid game.
SMT VV ruined Persona-like games for me. I just can't go back to 30-minute wall texts or 2-hour cutscenes with characters talking non-stop just to hit the 100-hour mark. SMT VV is the perfect RPG from Atlus for me because the focus is on the gameplay. And when I want to watch a movie, well, I'll just go to the movies or watch a TV show.
You are acting as if the combat of SMT or Persona were somehow very good. It's a run of the mill turn base combat dungeon crawler like we all played thousands before.
@@Mirristal Well .. I’m actually playing the video game... versus just hitting X to skip to the next wall of text, or even worse, not pressing any buttons for 2 hours because of a cutscene, so... Yes. I prefer gameplay, my bad?
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as someone who played persona 3-5, to not get overwhelmed with scheduling on the calendar system, i always just make a urgency/importance chart, for example if there's social links available but a limited stat booster event is on, i picked the limited event first if i feel like my stats are low, and pick the social links if i feel like i have enough stats. Sure, you can't really max everything in one playthrough this way, but it's way less complicated than having a guide tells you what to do on every time frame. Anyways, enjoy your time with Metaphor!
Thanks for the tips :)
I've also struggled getting into persona as a franchise. I can't agree more that the highschool trope just doesn't do it for me. I love fantasy and the setting really nailed this one in for me. Imo it's Atlus's magnum opus and the culmination of decades developing games.
It feels like it to me. It's so refined and I hope P6 has the same refinements and I can give it a go when it comes out
Then Their new Game might just be for u
I agree. Previous to this game my all time favorite was SMT: Strange Journey.
@@AdziGaming the terrible writing about discrimination they keep yapping about is not it
Persona 5 is my all time favorite game. Introduced me to JRPGs
Maybe I'll go in with a fresh mind after Metaphor and finally enjoy it. I'm always open to giving games another try
@@AdziGaming Must say I have played alot of games in my life, but Persona 5 is my all time favorite too.
The music, the style, gameplay etc. all fits so well together.
@@DeinBleistift the Persona music is TOP TIER. I have a game soundtrack playlist for when I write scripts and Alley cat from P5 is always on repeat
I can't wait to find time for this game!
@@DrLevelUp good luck lol. Are you a Persona fan?
I dont like rpg or jrpg and turn based games but i like high school trope and anime and i never expected I'll like persona 5 so much so now I'll give metaphor a try bcoz p5 make me get into jrpg/turn based game
Hopefully you enjoy it as much as i do because it's so good
I think the popularity of autobattlers have shown developers and players that there really is no harm in implementing mechanics that bypass mindless battles that require no skill. These have existed since the 90s. Earthbound let you skip weak enemies, and Suikoden had an auto-battle option (but intentionally extremelt subobtimal). JRPG games implementing decently intelligent auto-battle modes that can be used for anything but boss battles, and letting you skip low level enemies is a solid change. The complexity should be put into building/designing your team, and special encounter enemies.
Metaphor is my new favorite game of all time after beating it. Previously held by Witcher 3. Metaphor is the perfect game to me. Thank you for this masterpiece Arlus
"Of all time" implies it's never not going to be changed. And I'm sure you'll live for decades more. Sooooooo
what?
Persona 5 was my introduction the series, and I loved it. I kept seeing people praise Persona 4 Golden to not end on the internet, so I decided to play through it. It was alright, but I never loved it. I'm still playing Metaphor Refantazio, and I'm really struggling to put it down when I need to get some sleep 😂
This has been me every night. Paying for it hard on the early mornings
Metaphoir + PS Portal is a match made in heaven, I've spent so much time playing it before bed
@@AdziGaming yeah I have half my playtime on the portal
@@TylerEdlin84 a fellow Portal enjoyer 👀
valid asf bro. i love persona but it’s genuinely an internal battle where my love for the gameplay and story manages to outshine the utter cringe i experience when it gets really shojen tropey. loving metaphor, prefer it over all mainline persona so far (hasn’t taken the top spot amongst other atlus titles for me but that’s an impossible task).
thanks for watching :)
Having finished Metaphor recently, all i cansay its that it blew me away. Its core is distinctly unique and different to bithe SMT and persona. This game reminds me most of Digital Devil Saga which is my favourite Atlus game of all time, i hope with metaphor more people give it a try
Do you think Digital Devil Saga is worth getting into now?
Persona 4 is my favorite game of all time
Persona 4 (and P4G) is an INCREDIBLE game. One of my favorites of all time
For what it's worth I LOVE the soundtrack to P4 - absolute masterpiece
Mine is Persona 3.
There is grinding, you just need to understand the MC Arc type bonuses. Mage gives you 1 MP per overworld kill or stun. Trash mobs are easy to refill MP off of in dungeons. And the Merchant Archetype will give you more items and coins for a kill, which stacks up killing trash mobs in the overworld. There are videos on locations and strategies, but even with grinding, you will need to strategize fights. I use mage on MC which allows me to 1 Day a dungeon.
I just quick swap to farm whatever resource and swap back just before an actual squad fight
I didn't realize. I guess there is grinding but it's not as easy to do as other JRPGs
TIP: early and mid game just use the weapon with most power. thsi way you get to try every class when you get a new weapon power spike.
I feel the same now. After playing the demo for Metaphor I’m finding it really hard to get through Persona 3 Reload cuz I keep thinking of how Metaphor just does thing way better.
Yeah I think I'll struggle trying P3R now lol. Thanks for watching :)
Tldr metaphor is the best of atlus because it combines the best of atlus for the 35th anniversary
I felt the exact same way regarding the setting it just wouldn’t click, but the fantasy element and story had me hooked, if you like yakuza you need to play infinite wealth it’s also amazing one of the best…
I just beat Kiwami 1 so I think I'm going to play Kiwami 2, Zero and then maybe The Man Who Erased his name.....theeeeeen play Infinite Wealth
@@AdziGaming it’s probably one of the best jrpgs I’ve played infinite ♾️ as I just love the cast
Honestly, I do not think you will get to Persona 5 after finishing this game. You will most likely feel drained and will want literally any other JRPG than a Persona. I recommend Shin Megami Tensei 5 in case you still want to explore Persona 5 but without the weird and annoying restrictions and activities that overwhelm you. Shin Megami Tensei V Vengeance is out, and is the definitive edition. Of course, in case you did not play it already.
Yeah I should've clarified. I don't mean directly after because I think I'll need a break from RPGs (especially because DA Veilguard is out soon) but sometime in the future
Gotta check out the kiseki / trails in the sky series man, made me fall in love with jrpgs all over again 😊
I want to go on a Trails pilgrimage. I think I'll wait for the remake that's releasing soon
You can definitely endlessly grind in this game
Somebody told me how in another comment. Regardless, grinding isn't as obvious or easy to do as in other JRPGs
Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean was my first JRPG. Then I started Legend of Dragoon, Grandia, Luna, tales series, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy and many more. I started the Persona series very late (Persona 5 first) as I heard the dungeon is repetitive for 1-4. I just 100% Metaphor: refantazio with hard difficulty.
The problem this game also has is reusing the dungeon design(linear one goal is to kill the boss at the end), layout, dungeon type and mob variety(a lot of reuse, maybe that's why I can't find a monster wiki as just bigger number at later dungeon). I stay for the story, gameplay, character and the atmosphere. Persona 5 has better OST while Metaphor OST is pretty unique but short and lacks variety( Dungeon same 3 music).
i was aware Persona and SMT were great games but never really got into them (despite being a long time JRPG player esp. FF series). Now reFantazio story is of a faster pace and feels easier to get into (the fantasy setting helps). It has been a great experience for me.
Looks like we're in the same boat, glad you're enjoying it! Thanks for watching :)
As a Persona fan (who started with P5), Metaphor gives me hope that ATLUS will one day let their Persona game take place in a college, office building, or shopping mall. Give us adults to play as!
Heck, imagine being part of a construction or road service crew, and you blitz out in your company truck to cordone off an area and then hop down a manhole or whatever to start fighting demons with your Persona.
Persona 5 was great (and P3R was even better) because they thrived under the limitations set for the characters due to being in high school. Persona 4 could have been an Agatha Christie-style story, where the MC was just visiting for a family reunion, and then decided to stick around to help Dojima solve the case. The fact that they were in high school didn't really mean much for the plot. P5's school was tied into alibis and the timing for heists and the like, while P3 had the school be the site where Shadow experiments took place, giving some extra weight to the Mitsuru corporation's sins.
Metaphor completely dropping the school side of the system gives me hope that the next time we see Igor, it's for something a bit grander than missing an English test.
I'd love if P6 was set in a college too. I'll definitely be there day 1 because I want to see if I can really get into a Persona game
Have you tried Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne?! There's no trivial battle regardless of the level gap between you and the enemies because one bad decision (or eventual random crits here and there) can completely change the tides of every battle and even if you win the cost could be too high, resources (SP mostly)/party management is key, tough as fuck but fair, keeps you alert all the time, very engaging!
So I've played a bit of SMT 4 and 5. I was interested in Nocturne but from my understanding the dungeon designs are very bland so that would turn me off it I think
@@AdziGaming I'd say the whole game is kinda bland but it is intentional, its part of the whole theme/gimmick/aesthetic, althought I agree that most dungeons could've been better, but the ones that are good ARE REALLY good! The game is more about the vibes/atmosphere I think its worth trying! Mechanicly its perfect, symmetrical, simple but deep, the only SMT game that improved on the Press Turn System formula for real was SMT IV Apocalypse (my humble and controversial opinion).
still not done with the video so if you talk about this just disregard this, but, from what youve said so far, you totally should try out SMT, specifically VV. very good shit.
I didn't mention it in the video but I did play some SMT 4 and V. The performance on the Switch was so bad that I put it down and as for 4, I'm just bad at turn based games so I found it so hard
Persona 6 re-skintazio’d is very easy and accessible
Personally i do not like persona games beside 1 2 and 3, 4 and 5 are too different from the atlus dna of shin megami tensei, etrian odyssey, digital devil saga, and other series, im happy you are finally in the family, i hope u try the other series atlus has to offer, especially shin megami tensei, the series that started the press turn system (the turn system metaphor also uses)
I have dabbled in a few other Atlus RPGs but not enough for me to bring them up in the video. I played SMT V when it first came out on Switch but the performance really frustrated me and I also play a bit of SMT4 and that game kicked my ass. It's strange, I'd consider myself pretty good at games. I have no problem with action games like DMC or Dark Souls and I'm pretty decent at fast paced multiplayer games like Rocket League and Overwatch, but give me a puzzle or a turn based combat system and my brain just can't compute lol. Thanks for watching :)
@@AdziGaming smt 4 Is notorious for being very very very hard for beginners into the series, and yea the switch sucks, i would advice trying smt 5 vengeance on PC/consoles that arent switch lmao, once It gets a good big discount, the new content Is great and really makes the game Shine as It was meant to be, smt 3,4, and 4 apocalypse are PEAK as well but very very tough for beginners of smt so i don't advice going for them until u have a good foundation, in smt most of the time u can beat stuff underlevelled as long as u got strategy, making one dungeon living hell with One Comp and a breeze with another, trial and error and the feeling of completely shitting on a boss once u get it is why the megaten community is so addicted lmao, cheers!
Thanks for the advice. All I gather is too many great RPGs to play and not enough time to play them all lol
@@AdziGaming mood
I get it. Re: Fantazio is great. But if you didn't like Persona 5, it really doesn't make sense that you like it that much.
There are loads of reasons why a game doesn't click with someone. Yeah they're similar in combat and the whole calendar system but everything else is totally different
@@AdziGaming I don't think "Totally" is accurate^^
I love Persona 3/4/5 and pretty much all of SMT and I'm loving Metaphor so far, but my big issue is that the characters aren't as likable and the character designs are kinda shit. Everyone just looks off. I'm still gonna be thinking about Ryuji, Anne, and crew for years and years but I can guarantee I'm gonna forget all the characters in Metaphor by the end of the year. Not sure why. Been a massive Atlus fan forever. They just rarely miss.
I love Heismay's design. From my memory of P5 the character visual designs don't really stand out for me
@@AdziGaming Yeah, I suppose because he's not supposed to look human.
Merchant trivializes the entire game. You’ll never need money or MP ever again. I plan on running through the toughest difficulty with the Merchant archetype. Thank me later lol
Oh I didn't know that. I have the Merchant at lv 20
@@AdziGaming yea just have the Merchant inherit Diligent Disciple, Heat up, and Aim Support. The more Merchants in play the stronger it gets. It’s nutty, at least in the early to mid game.
SMT VV ruined Persona-like games for me. I just can't go back to 30-minute wall texts or 2-hour cutscenes with characters talking non-stop just to hit the 100-hour mark. SMT VV is the perfect RPG from Atlus for me because the focus is on the gameplay. And when I want to watch a movie, well, I'll just go to the movies or watch a TV show.
You prefer grinding endlessly in the desert?
@@Mirristalunironically, yes.
@@quanwashington word! I don’t mean it in a negative way, haven’t played SMT V and curious what people like about it
You are acting as if the combat of SMT or Persona were somehow very good. It's a run of the mill turn base combat dungeon crawler like we all played thousands before.
@@Mirristal Well .. I’m actually playing the video game... versus just hitting X to skip to the next wall of text, or even worse, not pressing any buttons for 2 hours because of a cutscene, so... Yes. I prefer gameplay, my bad?
Something tells me you just don't like schooling lol
Well that is definitely true lol but I do wonder if I could get into it more if P6, for example, was set in College